Opinium: Apart from vaccines more think LAB would be doing better – politicalbetting.com
Opinium: Apart from vaccines more think LAB would be doing better – politicalbetting.com
An interesting new polling approach from Opinium features in its latest poll and in the chart above. The sample was asked: Please imagine Labour had been in government for the last couple of years instead of the Conservatives. Do you think they would have done a better or worse job in each of the following areas?
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Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.3 -
The question arises then why are labour not well ahead in the polls
Today's quite extensive poll in the mail is actually quite reasonable for HMG
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Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES1 -
Yep. But then, we all know Starmer is a Tory and Johnson is spending like Corbyn. Labour hold blue seats and the Conservatives red ones... So, why not?noneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
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It was of course the vaccines which played the biggest part both in reducing the death rate and getting the economy going again.
Opinium would still give Boris a majority of about 300 -
In the US, it's red for GOP and blue for Demsnoneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.
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Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES1 -
Very unscientific but a sense test would tell you that the idea SKS is anywhere near power is laughable. Even in North London, it is difficult to find anyone with a good way to say about him. And the only ones who are consistently negative about the Government are the Remain fanatics who bang on about everything being the fault of Brexit in the same way the Qanon loons bang on about Biden being a Chinese spy.Big_G_NorthWales said:The question arises then why are labour not well ahead in the polls
Today's quite extensive poll in the mail is actually quite reasonable for HMG2 -
Lou Reed regarded the Beatles as garbage.
On the one hand, Heroin.
On the other, Lucy in the tralalala.Sky with fucking Diamonds.
Who is to say who was right?1 -
Labour better at tackling crime? Clearly the voters have forgotten who would have been Labour's Home Secretary.2
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Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562341 -
You cannot classify the LDs as automatically part of the non Tory majority given they chose to go into government with the Tories from 2010-2015noneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.1 -
There was a service a lot like this during the first dot com bubble. Would deliver a Twix to your desk. But obviously they lost massive amounts of money on it Forgotten it's name.rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES0 -
"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"0 -
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562340 -
Do you know what non Tory means? It does not mean Labour, or even left wing. It means non Tory.HYUFD said:
You cannot classify the LDs as automatically part of the non Tory majority given they chose to go into government with the Tories from 2010-2015noneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.2 -
Hardly likely in 2024, given the LDs are Remainers!HYUFD said:
You cannot classify the LDs as automatically part of the non Tory majority given they chose to go into government with the Tories from 2010-2015noneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.0 -
I think someone did a forensic taking apart of those numbers and found they didn’t make sense.SandyRentool said:Labour better at tackling crime? Clearly the voters have forgotten who would have been Labour's Home Secretary.
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The Square Mile, honestly, has too many skyscrapers nowadays.MaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562341 -
No but plenty of US Republicans see them as martyrs.MrEd said:FPT - @Foxy, FYI, I criticised the ones attacking Congress so no suggestions I did the opposite please. I’m sure you don’t mean to mislabel.
It is not a matter of competition, both Right wing terrorism and Islamist terror are real threats.0 -
Let’s face it, when it comes to protecting their own interests, everyone can learn from doctors and lawyers.Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"5 -
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries0 -
It is very clear that the LDs won't be supporting a Tory party in its current form.HYUFD said:
You cannot classify the LDs as automatically part of the non Tory majority given they chose to go into government with the Tories from 2010-2015noneoftheabove said:Is blue Labour better and red Tories better!??
Tories are in the minority so perhaps this is to be expected. It is just the non Tory majority is very divided and less efficiently distributed by constituency.0 -
And the longer both are ignored the more we head to a final clash between the two, the left in particular could do with treating jihadis as as big a risk as it treats the far right.Foxy said:
No but plenty of US Republicans see them as martyrs.MrEd said:FPT - @Foxy, FYI, I criticised the ones attacking Congress so no suggestions I did the opposite please. I’m sure you don’t mean to mislabel.
It is not a matter of competition, both Right wing terrorism and Islamist terror are real threats.
Already Trump is on 46%, Le Pen is on 45% in some polls next year, still not enough to win at the moment but in a decade?0 -
I had forgotten, to be fair.SandyRentool said:Labour better at tackling crime? Clearly the voters have forgotten who would have been Labour's Home Secretary.
Crime figures would have been entertaining though - or, at least, any interview in which the Home Secretary was asked to quote them.1 -
Nah, they're absolutely burning through cash. It's their startup funding to try and buy market share from Uber eats and getir, the latter of which is likely to also not do very well given the cash burn rate.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries2 -
Nah. We don't need to choose sides, there are other options.HYUFD said:
And the longer both are ignored the more we head to a final clash between the twoFoxy said:
No but plenty of US Republicans see them as martyrs.MrEd said:FPT - @Foxy, FYI, I criticised the ones attacking Congress so no suggestions I did the opposite please. I’m sure you don’t mean to mislabel.
It is not a matter of competition, both Right wing terrorism and Islamist terror are real threats.1 -
I cannot believe PB has sunk as low as the equivalent of Dixons subsample extrapolations. Anything to diss the Tories will do.0
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I know quite a lot of non-Labour voters (this is Surrey...) who are consistently negative about the Government, none of them talking about Brexit. They feel there's one crisis after another while the Government absent-mindedly drifts along. This week's main theme is that the upward trend in Covid is being simply ignored, with no clear message in any direction.MrEd said:
Very unscientific but a sense test would tell you that the idea SKS is anywhere near power is laughable. Even in North London, it is difficult to find anyone with a good way to say about him. And the only ones who are consistently negative about the Government are the Remain fanatics who bang on about everything being the fault of Brexit in the same way the Qanon loons bang on about Biden being a Chinese spy.Big_G_NorthWales said:The question arises then why are labour not well ahead in the polls
Today's quite extensive poll in the mail is actually quite reasonable for HMG
They aren't showing any particular interest in Labour. They're just fed up and probably wouldn't vote if the election was tomorrow. But you'd be mistaken to think that only Remain fanatics feel like that.6 -
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.0 -
Of course on HGV drivers labour can be seen to do better. starmer says he would allow 100,000 in to alleviate the shortage. But nothing on where we would get them from in a world where many nations has a shortage of HGV drivers. It’s a free, unchallenged, hit.0
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Yes, Priti has bungled a few numbers too as I recall.Selebian said:
I had forgotten, to be fair.SandyRentool said:Labour better at tackling crime? Clearly the voters have forgotten who would have been Labour's Home Secretary.
Crime figures would have been entertaining though - or, at least, any interview in which the Home Secretary was asked to quote them.
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Agreed. Timothy McVey caused one of the worst instances of domestic terrorism in the US.Foxy said:
No but plenty of US Republicans see them as martyrs.MrEd said:FPT - @Foxy, FYI, I criticised the ones attacking Congress so no suggestions I did the opposite please. I’m sure you don’t mean to mislabel.
It is not a matter of competition, both Right wing terrorism and Islamist terror are real threats.
There is no “either / or”, it is both.
However, my concerns are the same as I posted yesterday namely that when it is right wing terrorism it rightly gets called out but when it is Islamic radicalist terrorism, there is a defensive reflex on a good swathe of the commentariat to try and do everything to deflect from the issue. That means the underlying problems just get swept under the carpet.
Which doesn’t help because, to put it bluntly, terrorism from radical Islamic fundamentalists is killing a lot more people than right wing terrorism. Both are threats but we can’t dispute the numbers.
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Er these are not subsamples. This is a poll just like any other but one which asks different questions. As far as I can see this poll has just as much validity as any other as far as the numbers go.squareroot2 said:I cannot believe PB has sunk as low as the equivalent of Dixons subsample extrapolations. Anything to diss the Tories will do.
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The problem with the City cluster is not this building, it is the density: the towers are all packed together in an insanely tight pattern. This is a result of two things: the preserved sightlines of St Paul's Cathedral, meaning nothing can get too close and skyscrapers must bend back awkwardly in places (see the Cheesegrater) and also the height limit imposed by the proximity of City Airport and LHR, they mean nothing much over 1000 feet, so towers can't go higher - like the supertalls in NYC and you get a boxy, tabletop effect, now visible in the Wharf as well as the CityMaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1449845803506356234
This new density also means the loveliest tower of all, the Gherkin, is about to disappear from view entirely. IT will be completely surrounded
On the other hand, London will have an entirely unique skyline. It might look like an ugly Satanic splodge of steel and glass, but it will be very different to anywhere else4 -
To be fair, I'd be happy to have a home secretary who wasn't good at on-air maths if she/he was good at other things. Patel has bungled more than a few numbers in her time.Foxy said:
Yes, Priti has bungled a few numbers too as I recall.Selebian said:
I had forgotten, to be fair.SandyRentool said:Labour better at tackling crime? Clearly the voters have forgotten who would have been Labour's Home Secretary.
Crime figures would have been entertaining though - or, at least, any interview in which the Home Secretary was asked to quote them.0 -
imho the context of the next GE has not been defined/framed, so Sir K still has a chance of depriving a johnson majority. Johnson tried at his conference speech to frame the next GE as being basically 'Brexit caused all sorts of transition problems, but it was worth it because your wages went up and that's because migration is down'.NickPalmer said:
I know quite a lot of non-Labour voters (this is Surrey...) who are consistently negative about the Government, none of them talking about Brexit. They feel there's one crisis after another while the Government absent-mindedly drifts along. This week's main theme is that the upward trend in Covid is being simply ignored, with no clear message in any direction.MrEd said:
Very unscientific but a sense test would tell you that the idea SKS is anywhere near power is laughable. Even in North London, it is difficult to find anyone with a good way to say about him. And the only ones who are consistently negative about the Government are the Remain fanatics who bang on about everything being the fault of Brexit in the same way the Qanon loons bang on about Biden being a Chinese spy.Big_G_NorthWales said:The question arises then why are labour not well ahead in the polls
Today's quite extensive poll in the mail is actually quite reasonable for HMG
They aren't showing any particular interest in Labour. They're just fed up and probably wouldn't vote if the election was tomorrow. But you'd be mistaken to think that only Remain fanatics feel like that.
But that could easily go pear shaped if inflation runs away.
Sir K need to try and frame it as "Are you better off than when you voted to leave in 2016?"
He also needs to clear the barnacles as Lynton would say e.g. ditch the identity stuff. It's the economy stupid. Ignore the culture war. But that is very hard for Labour - possibly impossible with current membership.
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I have to disagree. I think it looks really good.MaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562340 -
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.1 -
The BJ regime foretold on BBC2 in 5.0
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Spain's Socialist PM promises to abolish prostitution
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-589471720 -
Presumably the delivery company also gets the retail mark up on the wine.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
Not sure this is really a way to get high wage, high skill employment improving our productivity.0 -
Amazon redux.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
Not convinced someone can pull it off a second time.
If products can be delivered at such notice for so little, then Amazon will do it eventually, and the rest are dead.
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Don’t get me wrong, people are not saying this is a wonderful Government but there is not much bitching and moaning going on.NickPalmer said:
I know quite a lot of non-Labour voters (this is Surrey...) who are consistently negative about the Government, none of them talking about Brexit. They feel there's one crisis after another while the Government absent-mindedly drifts along. This week's main theme is that the upward trend in Covid is being simply ignored, with no clear message in any direction.MrEd said:
Very unscientific but a sense test would tell you that the idea SKS is anywhere near power is laughable. Even in North London, it is difficult to find anyone with a good way to say about him. And the only ones who are consistently negative about the Government are the Remain fanatics who bang on about everything being the fault of Brexit in the same way the Qanon loons bang on about Biden being a Chinese spy.Big_G_NorthWales said:The question arises then why are labour not well ahead in the polls
Today's quite extensive poll in the mail is actually quite reasonable for HMG
They aren't showing any particular interest in Labour. They're just fed up and probably wouldn't vote if the election was tomorrow. But you'd be mistaken to think that only Remain fanatics feel like that.
I find a good test is whether people bring up a topic automatically and / or as a non-sequitur as it shows it’s on their mind and they are passionate. The only ones who do are the devout Remainers. The supply chain issues have got traction but there is a general acceptance it’s a global issue.
There are several years to go and SKS may hit it out of the park but it doesn’t feel like it now and many people look to have made their mind up about him.1 -
I tend to agree. The problem with the delivery model is it is not scaleable. The more business you get, the more costs you incur. Look at Uber (same goes for rides). Struggling to get profitable (even on EBITDA).rottenborough said:
Amazon redux.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
Not convinced someone can pull it off a second time.
If products can be delivered at such notice for so little, then Amazon will do it eventually, and the rest are dead.1 -
Does this include the online variety?HYUFD said:Spain's Socialist PM promises to abolish prostitution
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-589471721 -
Not at all but it’s one of the reasons why, for example, wait times for Uber drivers is going higher because the delivery companies are poaching available talent.Foxy said:
Presumably the delivery company also gets the retail mark up on the wine.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
Not sure this is really a way to get high wage, high skill employment improving our productivity.
The concern is that people get locked into these jobs when they are young, thinking it’s decent wages and a free lifestyle. Then, before you know it, you are 30+ and you have no skills. And your job has been automated.1 -
I bet one survives. A network of ebikers who can deliver groceries ~10minutes. And that is all that matters. They are fighting to be that oneMaxPB said:
Nah, they're absolutely burning through cash. It's their startup funding to try and buy market share from Uber eats and getir, the latter of which is likely to also not do very well given the cash burn rate.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
Same with Deliveroo, Uber Eats, and so on. One of them will become the amazon of meal delivery.
Unless, of course, amazon take over Gorillas AND Deliveroo and Uber and become the amazon of EVERYTHING
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German update: the SPD/Green/FDP talks are proceeding amicably with no public signs of dissent, though there is clearly going to be difficulty about economic policy, with the FDP keen on austerity and wanting the Finance Ministry. A poll just out shows that voters want Scholz to be Chancellor, by 72-19%, including a majority (55%) of CDU voters and even 48% of AfD voters, and the trio are strongly favoured for government. Alternative coalition possibilities (SPD/CDU or CDU/Green/FDP) are rejected by large majorities. Current voting intention remains much as at the election, except that the CDU have drifted back to 19% (their lowest poll rating ever), with everyone else slightly up.2
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What happens if someone on Shetland uses this service? Does it say "arriving in 10 days"...Leon said:
I bet one survives. A network of ebikers who can deliver groceries ~10minutes. And that is all that matters. They are fighting to be that oneMaxPB said:
Nah, they're absolutely burning through cash. It's their startup funding to try and buy market share from Uber eats and getir, the latter of which is likely to also not do very well given the cash burn rate.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
Same with Deliveroo, Uber Eats, and so on. One of them will become the amazon of meal delivery.
Unless, of course, amazon take over Gorillas AND Deliveroo and Uber and become the amazon of EVERYTHING0 -
If we took away the best pollster for the Conservatives, and the best one for Labour, the Tories would be walking it - basically Opinium are out on a limb for Sir Keir and Labour and that’s pretty much all we hear about1
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You are very good at whining like a dowager with a scalded fanny at people dissing the Tories, but do you have any specific rebuttal of the sufficiently obvious points that the PM is a fat lying crook who put nazanin z r in an Iranian jail, arranged to have someone beaten up, has been sacked twice for lying and is married to an inferior Clara petacci lookalike who regards the lives of doggie woggies as more important than those of brown people?squareroot2 said:I cannot believe PB has sunk as low as the equivalent of Dixons subsample extrapolations. Anything to diss the Tories will do.
You have the floor.6 -
It depends on the deal with Sainsbury's. Aiui Uber has got some of the margin but that's Uber. I doubt smaller players will get that deal, if they're price matching then they are simply making the £1.80, if they're marking up Sainsbury's prices then it will be the markup plus £1.80, it's a company that's going to keep going back to investors for money and hope they become too big to fail.Foxy said:
Presumably the delivery company also gets the retail mark up on the wine.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
Not sure this is really a way to get high wage, high skill employment improving our productivity.0 -
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE0 -
Paywalled Telegraph article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/17/sir-david-amess-murder-suspect-had-considered-killing-mps-telegraph/
"Sir David Amess murder suspect had considered killing other MPs, the Telegraph understands
The investigation into the tragic death of the MP suggests he was not specifically targeted, but may have been picked at random"0 -
Won't work outside the big cities. At all. We don't have Ocado either.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
But then we don't have shops open. Or trains before 10:30am or after 9pm either.0 -
If we actually look at the numbers 2.5 times more people were killed by terrorism in the UK in1988 alone than all years combined from 2000-now. Yet most people are far more scared of terrorism than they were back then.MrEd said:
Agreed. Timothy McVey caused one of the worst instances of domestic terrorism in the US.Foxy said:
No but plenty of US Republicans see them as martyrs.MrEd said:FPT - @Foxy, FYI, I criticised the ones attacking Congress so no suggestions I did the opposite please. I’m sure you don’t mean to mislabel.
It is not a matter of competition, both Right wing terrorism and Islamist terror are real threats.
There is no “either / or”, it is both.
However, my concerns are the same as I posted yesterday namely that when it is right wing terrorism it rightly gets called out but when it is Islamic radicalist terrorism, there is a defensive reflex on a good swathe of the commentariat to try and do everything to deflect from the issue. That means the underlying problems just get swept under the carpet.
Which doesn’t help because, to put it bluntly, terrorism from radical Islamic fundamentalists is killing a lot more people than right wing terrorism. Both are threats but we can’t dispute the numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Kingdom1 -
Gorillas has raised a total of $1.3B in funding over 4 rounds.dixiedean said:
Won't work outside the big cities. At all. We don't have Ocado either.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
But then we don't have shops open. Or trains before 10:30am or after 9pm either. 0 -
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE1 -
Good to see hope for a change of government.0
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It's interesting, but my guess is that they will have peak demand at the same times as takeaways, and they already suffer from extended delivery timescales when demand is high. I would have thought that one time when you have to wait half an hour for something you've ordered - and could have had it in half the time if you'd popped out to the local shop - will be the death of them. There's something maddening about having to wait for longer than expected. That's why waiting for the bus can be so frustrating.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.2 -
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE1 -
Oh, Doctor Beeching!Farooq said:
We don't even have a train station.dixiedean said:
Won't work outside the big cities. At all. We don't have Ocado either.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
But then we don't have shops open. Or trains before 10:30am or after 9pm either.
Anywhere. In my whole constituency.0 -
That’s from the Mikado, isn’t it? “The Flowers that Bloom in the Spring”?IshmaelZ said:
Edit: though I think you are missing the final “la”.0 -
Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.0
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I presume they (deliveroo) get a cut of the total bill. Some grocers (like Aldi) don’t mark things up at all. Some mark up considerably, especially on booze. My local garage sells £5-in-store wine on deliveroo for £9.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE0 -
I wonder which constituency closest to London doesn't have any trains stations.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh, Doctor Beeching!Farooq said:
We don't even have a train station.dixiedean said:
Won't work outside the big cities. At all. We don't have Ocado either.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
But then we don't have shops open. Or trains before 10:30am or after 9pm either.
Anywhere. In my whole constituency.1 -
Really work then dont they?williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
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Will someone please order Sunil his favorite veggie pizza from Sainsbury's and have it delivered pronto?!?!0
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It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.2 -
Shamima Begum said sorry and put on some make up, so let her backstate_go_away said:
Really work then dont they?williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
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One of the problems with Prevent is the numbers of folk reported to them. If the threshold is low, you simply can't monitor everyone.state_go_away said:
Really work then dont they?williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
Unless a UK Stasi comes about.
And even then...0 -
The worry for Labour has to be that, despite the nibbles they're able to take out of Conservative support, and the surprisingly strong internals, something is preventing the necessary joining of dots in the public mind. I don't think anyone knows what for sure, hence the temptation to find a simple theory.Jonathan said:Good to see hope for a change of government.
The worry for the Conservatives has to be that political winter is coming, the lead they have in the barn might not be huge- can it survive a couple of years of tax rises and spending restraint with an election shortly after?
(That's BoJo's biggest problem. The winning strategy tends to be to be Scrooge in the aftermath of the election, so you can be Santa as the next election approaches. Covid has blown that one out of the water, rather.)1 -
Believe (based on grapevine & media reports) that many delivery-service drivers depend on tips, esp. as delivery companies have tendency to nickel & dime them (don't know UK equivalent!) on the apps, by deductions & other dodges?Alistair said:
It's subsidised by VC cash.Andy_JS said:
How can they afford to pay the people who deliver the goods?carnforth said:
If you pay Deliveroo a subscription of £13 a month, you can have unlimited free deliveries with minimum order each time of £10.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE
It is not remotely sustainable.
So I hear.1 -
No deradicalising course can work as long as they go on believing the Koran is the literal word of God. Because the extremists they are in touch with can just point them back to the relevant passages.williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
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Urban fetchAlistair said:
There was a service a lot like this during the first dot com bubble. Would deliver a Twix to your desk. But obviously they lost massive amounts of money on it Forgotten it's name.rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES0 -
Lad on bycycle is 5 mins away from you at Sainsburys. He spends 5 mins in store, 5 mins cycling to you, 5 mins back. For £1.80.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
If he's operating solidly on this basis all night, that's £7.20 an hour. Before any costs.
It's kind of the investors to fund your wine ordering habits like this, but the idea that this sort of thing is in any way sustainable at this sort of rate is for the birds. I doubt its profitable at £5 a delivery.
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Do you have data for this? Because there are millions of people in the world who believe the Koran is the literal word of God and also have the internet so presumably they're exposed to people pointing out the relevant passages, but they don't go around stabbing people.Aslan said:
No deradicalising course can work as long as they go on believing the Koran is the literal word of God. Because the extremists they are in touch with can just point them back to the relevant passages.williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
Religion is very weird and disassociative, for instance the Christian texts are extremely clear that believers need to sell all their stuff and give the money to the poor, but there are millions of believers who apparently take the texts very seriously, yet never once do that, even though they would only have to take what they claim to believe seriously for a couple of minutes to do it. So it's not implausible the right intervention can increase the probability that someone acts on the non-homicidal part of their chosen book of holy stupid bullshit, while avoiding the homicidal parts.0 -
Ummm... What are you proposing?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Square Mile, honestly, has too many skyscrapers nowadays.MaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562340 -
Ummm.... no new skyscrapers might be an idea.rcs1000 said:
Ummm... What are you proposing?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Square Mile, honestly, has too many skyscrapers nowadays.MaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/14498458035063562340 -
"Too many" indicated a desire to... demolish... some.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ummm.... no new skyscrapers might be an idea.rcs1000 said:
Ummm... What are you proposing?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Square Mile, honestly, has too many skyscrapers nowadays.MaxPB said:
That looks awful.williamglenn said:Michael Gove is to overrule Sadiq Khan and allow a 1,000ft viewing tower in the City to be built. It’s called ‘the tulip’
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1449845803506356234
You'll excuse my concern.0 -
Urban Fetch did it first in 1999 / 2000. It burned through quite a lot of money in its 18 month life.theProle said:
Lad on bycycle is 5 mins away from you at Sainsburys. He spends 5 mins in store, 5 mins cycling to you, 5 mins back. For £1.80.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
If he's operating solidly on this basis all night, that's £7.20 an hour. Before any costs.
It's kind of the investors to fund your wine ordering habits like this, but the idea that this sort of thing is in any way sustainable at this sort of rate is for the birds. I doubt its profitable at £5 a delivery.0 -
The idea that all Christians are commanded to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor isn't supported by anything more than a very casual (mis)reading of passages where specific people are given that sort of instruction. The classic case is the rich young ruler who comes to Christ and asks him what he needs to do to be saved. (Mark 10 v17-31). He thinks he's perfect - and so he's told to sell everything, not because that's necessary to follow Christ, but to reveal he actually cares more about his wealth than following the God he apparently "loves with all his heart, mind and strength".edmundintokyo said:
Do you have data for this? Because there are millions of people in the world who believe the Koran is the literal word of God and also have the internet so presumably they're exposed to people pointing out the relevant passages, but they don't go around stabbing people.Aslan said:
No deradicalising course can work as long as they go on believing the Koran is the literal word of God. Because the extremists they are in touch with can just point them back to the relevant passages.williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
Religion is very weird and disassociative, for instance the Christian texts are extremely clear that believers need to sell all their stuff and give the money to the poor, but there are millions of believers who apparently take the texts very seriously, yet never once do that, even though they would only have to take what they claim to believe seriously for a couple of minutes to do it. So it's not implausible the right intervention can increase the probability that someone acts on the non-homicidal part of their chosen book of holy stupid bullshit, while avoiding the homicidal parts.
In Acts, some believers sold their possessions and held everything in common, but that clearly wasn't universal - Ananias and Sapphira sin and die in Acts 5 because they sell land and supposedly give the money over in this way - but actually hold a lot of money back. Its made very clear that they were free to have not sold the land - their sin is lying to Peter that they were giving over all the money.
It's fairly clear in some of the letters that many New Testament Christians retained property - even in one case (Philemon) the owner of a slave who runs away.
This isn't to say that many western Christians today aren't far too materialistic, but it's very unfair to say that any Christian who hasn't sold everything and given it away to the poor is ignoring some sort of biblical instruction.
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There is a model that makes sense - but I doubt it involves just a £2/fee per delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
Let's be optimistic, and say that a cyclist can make four deliveries an hour. Let's pay him £10/hour. That means that just the labour cost of delivery is £2.50. And that's before any other costs whatsoever.
Now, it may be possible with a sufficiently dense network, electric bikes, and multiple stops per trip, to get up to six deliveries an hour (although that seems hellafast to me). That's still a delivery labour component of around £1.70-80. Based on some very aggressive assumptions.
Now. Can it be made to work? Yes, probably. But you need to spend a *lot* of money on hyperlocal distribution centres, and you need to charge decent markups on everything. (I.e. retail margins 15% above your local corner store plus a £2.50 charge.)0 -
So this is the other part of what deradicalization can do, ie if the scripture says "Go stab the member of parliament for Southend West, your wise-looking bearded guy can say, "this was an instruction the prophet gave to this particular follower, because he knew that he was greatly attached to the member of parliament for Southend West and could not devote his life to Allah until he had stabbed him, but it is not a general commandment on all Muslims to stab the member of parliament for Southend West".theProle said:
The idea that all Christians are commanded to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor isn't supported by anything more than a very casual (mis)reading of passages where specific people are given that sort of instruction. The classic case is the rich young ruler who comes to Christ and asks him what he needs to do to be saved. (Mark 10 v17-31). He thinks he's perfect - and so he's told to sell everything, not because that's necessary to follow Christ, but to reveal he actually cares more about his wealth than following the God he apparently "loves with all his heart, mind and strength".edmundintokyo said:
Do you have data for this? Because there are millions of people in the world who believe the Koran is the literal word of God and also have the internet so presumably they're exposed to people pointing out the relevant passages, but they don't go around stabbing people.Aslan said:
No deradicalising course can work as long as they go on believing the Koran is the literal word of God. Because the extremists they are in touch with can just point them back to the relevant passages.williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
Religion is very weird and disassociative, for instance the Christian texts are extremely clear that believers need to sell all their stuff and give the money to the poor, but there are millions of believers who apparently take the texts very seriously, yet never once do that, even though they would only have to take what they claim to believe seriously for a couple of minutes to do it. So it's not implausible the right intervention can increase the probability that someone acts on the non-homicidal part of their chosen book of holy stupid bullshit, while avoiding the homicidal parts.
In Acts, some believers sold their possessions and held everything in common, but that clearly wasn't universal - Ananias and Sapphira sin and die in Acts 5 because they sell land and supposedly give the money over in this way - but actually hold a lot of money back. Its made very clear that they were free to have not sold the land - their sin is lying to Peter that they were giving over all the money.
It's fairly clear in some of the letters that many New Testament Christians retained property - even in one case (Philemon) the owner of a slave who runs away.
This isn't to say that many western Christians today aren't far too materialistic, but it's very unfair to say that any Christian who hasn't sold everything and given it away to the poor is ignoring some sort of biblical instruction.0 -
Of course.MrEd said:
It’s a massive land grab. All the players know it is unsustainable, the aim is to be amongst the biggest, force the weaker players to exit and then grow margins over the long term. That’s the theory.rottenborough said:
I assume your original message should read £1.80 delivery.Leon said:
Will they?rottenborough said:
Make the most of it. These services will close when the runway money runs out.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
They are sustainable - they use bicycles. They have darkstores across London, ready to go
I asked my bicycle guy how come it was so fast. He said "as soon we get your order people start rushing around in Kentish Town, fulfilling your order, and that means we can get it to you in ten minutes, as we promise"
It would be interesting to see how they cope with an order of 30 items rather than 1. Can they do this in 10 minutes? But who knows. Maybe they can
They are apparently German, and they also have vigorous competitors, already
I don't see why their model should fail, it does not have the intrinsic flaws of Uber. And the convenience is insane. You've forgotten a few items from your shop, and you're about to cook? Don't go back to the supermarket, use Gorillas, it will be there in 10 minutes. Ditto late night groceries
That does not seem sustainable to me. As the guy said, people start rushing around when the order comes in. People starting to rush around costs money.
There were a dozen Uber-type businesses - some sold to Uber/Lyft, some closed down, and Uber was Uber...
The question is whether there is a sustainable business model at the end of it, with positive unit economics. And the answer to that is maybe.
As far as I can tell, you need a lot more infrastructure and capital than Uber, and therefore your cash burn will be horrendous. Even once you reach scale, you'll also be pretty low margin: ultimately, people will pay £10 to £100 of groceries delivered (and where drivers don't have to return to the depot between deliveries). But will they be prepared to pay £4 to get a £10 bottle of wine delivered? Maybe. I can certainly see it working in Manhattan and Camden and Chelsea. But I struggle to see it working once the population density thins out.1 -
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE0 -
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE0 -
The difference is of course that the people that have to attend deradicalization courses are in contact with people who are good at pointing out the violent parts of their scripture. And once you accept the Koran is the word of God, the extremist view is not an unreasonable interpretation. It isn't the only reasonable interpretation, but it is certainly as plausible as the stretch one that says "this violent warmongering and slave taking is only ok when endorsed by a legitimate Muslim shariah government". The reason the vast majority of Muslims don't consider this is view is that most of them don't identify with being devout followers of scripture and probably aren't even aware of the dark passages.edmundintokyo said:
Do you have data for this? Because there are millions of people in the world who believe the Koran is the literal word of God and also have the internet so presumably they're exposed to people pointing out the relevant passages, but they don't go around stabbing people.Aslan said:
No deradicalising course can work as long as they go on believing the Koran is the literal word of God. Because the extremists they are in touch with can just point them back to the relevant passages.williamglenn said:Apparently the suspect went on a deradicalisation course.
Religion is very weird and disassociative, for instance the Christian texts are extremely clear that believers need to sell all their stuff and give the money to the poor, but there are millions of believers who apparently take the texts very seriously, yet never once do that, even though they would only have to take what they claim to believe seriously for a couple of minutes to do it. So it's not implausible the right intervention can increase the probability that someone acts on the non-homicidal part of their chosen book of holy stupid bullshit, while avoiding the homicidal parts.0 -
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
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Good luck with 15 minute deliveries and more than two delivery locations per trip.Aslan said:
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE0 -
Deliveroo charges me £13.25 for the same medium cod and chips that costs £9.90 in-store so that is their mark-up. On top of that is a service charge of £1.65 and a delivery charge of £1.49 (which in fact I do not pay as a subscriber) for a one mile trip.
As an aside, I've just looked at their site now that most eateries are closed and highlighted are several alcohol delivery services.0 -
I think they need to optimise by pre-delivering all the things you might want, so when you order your urgent item, they can just charge you £1.80 for a text message telling you to open the cupboard.rcs1000 said:
Good luck with 15 minute deliveries and more than two delivery locations per trip.Aslan said:
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
It is quite revolutionary IF IT IS SUSTAINABLE5 -
Not quite. Here is what the BMA boss tweeted and that the Telegraph is responding to.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
No other part of NHS is subject to access league tables blaming them for workforce shortages, publicly shaming with patient feedback texts, & CQC hit squads blaming them for failing. If general practice was an employee, it would claim harassment, discrimination, victimisation
https://twitter.com/CNagpaul/status/14496675646537482253 -
Basically, we're talking hotel bars.williamglenn said:
I think they need to optimise by pre-delivering all the things you might want, so when you order your urgent item, they can just charge you £1.80 for a text message telling you to open the cupboard.rcs1000 said:
Good luck with 15 minute deliveries and more than two delivery locations per trip.Aslan said:
Not if they are delivering to a bunch of other people on the same route.rcs1000 said:
The thing is that going to Tesco Metro and back is 25 minutes of your time. That's 25 minutes of labour that you were previously expending, that someone else will have to to do, and they will have to be appropriately compensated.Leon said:
I am surrounded by decent or very good shops that open late. Within 5-7 minutes walk of me there is a Co-op, a Tesco Extra, a Whole Foods, M&S Foods, and an Aldi. Within 10 minutes walk is a big Sainsburys and a very big MorrisonsFarooq said:
That's amazing. You can easily wait longer than that at a bar.Leon said:Sitrep GoriLlas Order
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
As I said, I downloaded the app half an hour ago. Took 1 minute to set it up with Apple Pay
I just, as a test, ordered 1 bottle of red wine. A decent Trivento Reserve Malbec. £8 at Sainsbury's. £8 + £.180 delivery from Gorillas
This is 10pm on a Sunday
I ordered it, as in clicking my phone, at 9.54pm. The app said "it will be there in 9 minutes". And it was. I have just collected it at the door. THE PROCESS FROM ORDER TO DELIVERY TOOK 9 MINUTES
Even on a Sunday the Co=op and Whole Foods are open until 9 or 11pm. And there are dodgy tiny stores which sell basic stuff 24/7/356, on my streetcorners
Yet none of them can match the convenience of this. I can order a rather decent bottle of red at 10pm on Sunday and it is here in 9 minutes? Even if Tesco Extra is open this late on Sunday AND it has that nice red it would take me 25 minutes to complete the process of walking down, finding it, buying it, coming back
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Very difficult to understand.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
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Arguably it is deflection. HMG wants a return to normal and is putting £250 million into a fund, access to which will be governed by a new league table. The BMA is saying it is unfair to blame GP practices for a 6,000 shortfall in GPs. No doubt there is more to it than that.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Not quite. Here is what the BMA boss tweeted and that the Telegraph is responding to.Cyclefree said:
Let me get this straight. Asking GPs to do the work they were doing before Covid struck is "harassment" and "discrimination"?Andy_JS said:"Politics For All
@PoliticsForAlI
NEW: Forcing GPs to do more face-to-face appointments is ‘harassment’ and ‘discrimination’, the head of the British Medical Association has said
Via @Telegraph
7:30 PM · Oct 17, 2021"
No other part of NHS is subject to access league tables blaming them for workforce shortages, publicly shaming with patient feedback texts, & CQC hit squads blaming them for failing. If general practice was an employee, it would claim harassment, discrimination, victimisation
https://twitter.com/CNagpaul/status/1449667564653748225
To channel another PBer, maybe they need to pay more (or offer better terms) to attract more doctors. Or more back to full-time rather than part-time practice.
One problem is they are trapped in a vicious circle. Increased demand (and Covid restrictions) worsen service which raises stress (including abuse and assault) which means more people leave which makes the service worse which increases stress (including abuse and assault) which...0
