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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Today would have been a really good time to declare for a wealth tax on the elite and say they support jobs, businesses and labour.
    I don't think they've settled on a Wealth Tax yet. I hope they do but there's big political risk in it. They need the floating voters of Middle England to come over in size and these people are susceptible to Tory spin that a Wealth Tax is government overreach, "Labour are coming for your house" etc. My bet is it won't make the manifesto. Starmer is very Centrist Dad. He's identified this as his best shot to get competitive at the GE. I hope I'm wrong but if I am wrong, I hope it works.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    Brain Trust.

    I have a house on the market which will attract CGT.

    When do we think extra CGT will kick in if Rishi pushes it up significantly, and what stage of sale will it apply to ie everything not exchanged or not completed?

    IIHIR the Statement is Nov 23, so for safety it is complete by then.

    Thanks
  • Cookie said:

    There's a risk of No-true-Scotsman-ing here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    There are far more ways of looking at the world than there are labels. Being a Conservative - or even voting Conservative - does not mean you approve of everything the Conservative Party does. Voting Labour doesn't mean you disapprove of everything the Conservative Party does.

    I agree with Philip on some things (e.g. taxation, Brexit, the monarchy) and disagree on others (public transport, the countryside). That doesn't mean that his views - or mine - are confused. Just that having a set of views on thing 1 doesn't imply an easily identified set of views on thing 2.
    Sorry I think you are confused, at least about the point I was making. There is a big difference between BEING a Conservative and VOTING Conservative. It is pretty strange to be an anti-monarchy, anti-countryside, anti-planning laws, in favour of the break up of the UK Conservative. These things are completely at odds. It is like claiming to be a Liberal and at the same time being a racist who is in favour of sending migrants "back home".

    One might vote Conservative to keep Corbyn out (perfectly reasonable) and hold any views, but one cannot claim to be "a" Conservative. He is a libertarian populist who votes Conservative.... but now says he won't.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    Carnyx said:

    I'd have thought strangling was a big no-no: real RSPCA and PETA stuff.
    Sound like bollocks as suggested.

    Just like the suggestion that no TB was present, conveniently coming from the owner's vet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729
    kinabalu said:

    I do. It's counter-intuitive, hence why I've noticed it.
    This gets to the point - there are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to say in general whether eating/skipping breakfast is a good thing.
    If it works for you, it works for you.
  • Sorry I think you are confused, at least about the point I was making. There is a big difference between BEING a Conservative and VOTING Conservative. It is pretty strange to be an anti-monarchy, anti-countryside, anti-planning laws, in favour of the break up of the UK Conservative. These things are completely at odds. It is like claiming to be a Liberal and at the same time being a racist who is in favour of sending migrants "back home".

    One might vote Conservative to keep Corbyn out (perfectly reasonable) and hold any views, but one cannot claim to be "a" Conservative. He is a libertarian populist who votes Conservative.... but now says he won't.
    Growing up in Australia it was far more common for people to pay attention to capitalisation when discussing politics. Are you talking about someone who is small-l liberal or capital-L Liberal? The same here, conservative or Conservative?

    As far as preserving the state is concerned no I'm not a small-c conservative, I've never claimed otherwise. But the centre-right party here is called Conservative not Liberal so I've always called myself a "liberal Conservative" - in Australia it'd be easier, just say Liberal.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    TOPPING said:

    Nah.
    Yup!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    edited September 2021

    I suppose that is a view. A rather callous and brutal view when the life of a pet is concerned. There are other precautions available. I don't know how those Defra vets can live with themselves to be honest.
    Are there scientifically sound reasons for treating a 'pet' differently to any other animal in these circumstances?
  • kinabalu said:

    I don't think they've settled on a Wealth Tax yet. I hope they do but there's big political risk in it. They need the floating voters of Middle England to come over in size and these people are susceptible to Tory spin that a Wealth Tax is government overreach, "Labour are coming for your house" etc. My bet is it won't make the manifesto. Starmer is very Centrist Dad. He's identified this as his best shot to get competitive at the GE. I hope I'm wrong but if I am wrong, I hope it works.
    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/britons-support-paying-more-tax-fund-public-services-most-popular-being-new-net-wealth-tax

    No! The risk is in not embracing the wealth tax, it is very popular and the main criticism of Labour is they are an empty vessel. Let this be their vessel.

    (As it is new, I accept there has to be some doubt about whether it would be effective for HMRC, but Boris has shown that is completely separate to being effective politically).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    edited September 2021
    Nigelb said:

    This gets to the point - there are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to say in general whether eating/skipping breakfast is a good thing.
    If it works for you, it works for you.
    Apart from really obvious things like do not have a gigantic fry-up every morning I think that's right.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/britons-support-paying-more-tax-fund-public-services-most-popular-being-new-net-wealth-tax

    No! The risk is in not embracing the wealth tax, it is very popular and the main criticism of Labour is they are an empty vessel. Let this be their vessel.

    (As it is new, I accept there has to be some doubt about whether it would be effective for HMRC, but Boris has shown that is completely separate to being effective politically).
    I agree, I'd like to see it, and perhaps we will, but my sense is that Starmer is going another way.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    BMI is a b/s measure for many people. Trying to target a BMI that is designed for a cohort, rather than an individual, leads to a heck of a lot of heartache and misery. I do sometimes wonder if it causes more harm (crash dieting, mental anguish) than good.
    First off, unless you are being weighed as part of your chosen activity, bin the scales. And don't go near BMI with a barge pole. Anthony Joshua would be taken instantly to A&E under blue lights if a doctor took it seriously.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Interesting that I found much to agree with Philip Thompson's article, but was delighted at the headline. I very much hope that people of such far right English nationalist views as Philip take his lead and leave the party that I was once a member of, so that it can return to a more sane and moderate version of its current populist far right self. If that happens and there are less people that share Philip's views I might just re-join.

    Lol, the Tory party is HYFUD these days, an empty vessel.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,676
    MattW said:

    The Swiss Wealth Tax has distinctives:

    1 - The very wide asset base taxed.
    2 - It is the only one that raises significant amounts of money.
    Yes, no point in a narrow asset base - it just encourages avoidance. Having a very small percentage (0.1-1.1%) on a very large asset base is the way to go. It generates 3.6% of national revenue. Evasion is an issue although less than it used to be - it's quite difficult to conceal chunky things like houses and yachts, and banking secrecy is not quite what it was.

    https://www.taxolution.ch/wealth-tax/
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,676

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/britons-support-paying-more-tax-fund-public-services-most-popular-being-new-net-wealth-tax

    No! The risk is in not embracing the wealth tax, it is very popular and the main criticism of Labour is they are an empty vessel. Let this be their vessel.

    (As it is new, I accept there has to be some doubt about whether it would be effective for HMRC, but Boris has shown that is completely separate to being effective politically).
    I agree with you, but my sense is like Kinabalu's.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,455

    I might be wrong but I believed Foxy to be a woman? Many apologies if I am wrong

    He'll make a decision during the day
  • Oh you like just realised the Tories favour the wealthy?
  • There is no need for vaccine passports. So one must conclude there is another agenda at work.

    The difference between a 'conspiracy theory' and the truth seems to be a year or less.

    The govt's website gives a few clues: 'Partnership with the World Economic Forum'; '4th. Industrial Revolution'; 'Build Back Better'. A digital ID cards 'consultation' went through in May ... ironically the system malfunctioned & I couldn't submit all my comments.

    Some mainstream media but not many have woken up

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-need-to-act-now-to-block-britain-s-social-credit-system
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited September 2021
    I suspect the Danish government is inventing solutions to problems to chase headlines, just as the British government is doing.

    The actual arrangement between Rwanda and Denmark is for the latter to provide support to Rwanda in processing its own migrant claims, because unbeknownst to people in Northern Europe, third world countries on the whole have a bigger migration problem they are less well equipped to deal with.

    Denmark can pretend this is a solution to Denmark's migrant problem. The UK government can then latch onto a "model" for them.

    Details including text of the agreement here: https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/32041/denmark-seeks-to-externalize-asylum-obligations-to-rwanda

    Today's headline that the government has obtained legal advice on pushing boats out to sea is part of that pattern of pretend solutions to indicate the government is doing something. Presumably Counsel told Patel in no uncertain terms that the proposed action is in severe breach of its obligations under the Law of the Sea. She can then lock it away in a drawer and say, she got the legal advice.
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