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  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,509
    maaarsh said:

    Always a joy to see the 'scrap heap' theory of Grammar Schools trotted out by people with no remotely recent experience. The Comps in East Essex by the 2 main Grammars tend to have above average results so quite hard to see much of a secondary modern impact, given they no longer exist and there is no curriculam apartheid blocking off anyone's life chances based on the 11+.

    I joined a grammar at 14, my brother joined at 16, we both went to a University we'd have had precious little chance of going to if left to a Comprehensive where collecting lots of Bs would have been considered a success rather than a failure.

    Bit arrogant to assume no recent experience isn't it. A bit of pot and kettle if you ask me as you have no idea of recent experience for me while assuming I have no recent experience. I have 2 children one doing a Ph.D at Cambridge the other starting her 3rd year at Liverpool, so I have plenty of recent experience of the current system thank you.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,302
    HYUFD said:

    Actually wealth inequality is now lower in the UK than Sweden thanks to most owning a high value home.

    There is also nothing wrong with parents having the information to choose the best choice for their child, though we could do with a few more grammars like we had in the 1950s too
    The asset inflation may have made us all rich on paper, but it's of little practical value. I've just had my home revalued for a re-mortgage and it's apparently worth 140% of what I paid for it 9 years ago.

    This means on paper I'm richer than I've ever been. It's not much use to me however, other than bumping me into the "really good" loan to value range for the mortgage. If I sell my house, I'll have to buy another that will probably also have gone up by a similar amount.

    The only realistic beneficiaries are whoever inherits my estate when I die.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    edited August 2021
    kjh said:

    I have nothing to complain about? What? How selfish can you get? I am complaining about all those pupils whose lives were ruined by that system, not mine. Also did you not read my comment about languages that I missed out on while I wasted my time on woodwork and metalwork which was useless to me?

    Re getting into Oxbridge you do understand the maths here don't you if you select at 11 you will off course get a higher percentage into Oxbridge than a Comp that hasn't selected. That doesn't make the Grammar better at all.
    They aren't ruined, that is the whole point. High schools in selective languages now do GCSEs, often with above average results, including languages.

    Of course it is the end of grammars which has meant that an academically bright pupil without wealthy parents in a poor seaside town or deprived inner city area has near zero chance of getting into Oxbridge or even a Russell Group university at the local comp. However they would have had a much better chance of doing so had they been able to go to a local grammar
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    edited August 2021
    kamski said:

    The CDU won't be doing any kind of deal with the AfD any time soon. It would destroy the party.

    IF the CDU became the main opposition (it's still more likely they will remain in government) they would probably be well placed to take power in future elections, but not by cosying up with the AfD. They have shown that they are perfectly capable of forming coalitions with the FDP, the SPD and the Greens or combinations of those parties.

    Have a look at the governments in the Bundesländer, now and in the last few years.

    I don't know what you mean with the AfD supported the FDP in Berlin - maybe you could provide a link.
    If the CDU/CSU do not do a deal with the AfD they would effectively be consigned to permanent opposition anyway if a cozy SPD-Green-Linke consensus takes hold so no problem. If a few CDU centrists refuse that would be a small price to pay for the chance to return to power.

    The Union can take power with the SPD and/or Greens but only if the latter refuse to share power with the Linke, if they do then that option of further grand coalitions is removed.

    The CDU and FDP even combined no longer have anywhere near enough seats to form governments again alone
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/shockwaves-in-berlin-as-far-right-afd-lends-support-to-mainstream.html
  • tlg86 said:

    It's why I find the idea that Tesco or Asda would voluntarily pay men more than women just for the fact that they are men utterly ludicrous.
    Agreed.

    The gender pay audit has been the quite the eye opener, fortunately I work somewhere where the gap was fewer than 1% and could be explained.

    I heard of some places with double digit gender pay gaps.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Cookie said:

    My wife and I both work four days a week. The schools, and before that nurseries, are no more likely to phone one of us than the other, AFAICS. We've both sacrificed promotability for childcare. We both necessarily eschew after work events. These are choices you make as a family. Had I had an opportunity for some hugely well-paid job my wife might have worked rather less, or not at all; had she had a similar opportunity, I would have worked less or not at all. That's not the path either of us chose to pursue, though the extent to which this is choice are half chance and dependent on all sorts of other factors anyway. But I don't agree it's a result of some big conspiracy against women.

    And there are not women's tasks or men's tasks, there is just a massive amount of stuff which needs doing. This includes generating income, childcare, education, feeding them and clothing them, house maintenance, taxiing them about, etc, etc. In our house, we both work, but not all the time. We both do childcare, but not all the time. I do most of the food shopping and preparation, the wife does most of the clothes shopping and washing. We both do the housework. I will do jobs which require heavy things to be lifted or high shelves to be reached, my wife will do jobs which require an element of patience with technology or which require good eyesight.

    Other families will make different choices.

    But I am never going to get to particularly senior levels within my organisation because I simply don't have the time to commit to it - because of the choices we have made as a family. That's not the dice being loaded against women, or parents, or anyone else, just a recognition that there are only so many hours in the day.

    The only respect I will agree that there is any element of the dice being loaded against women are that women will need to make some serious sacrifices for the months either side of giving birth. Pregnancy is often hard and breastfeeding is limiting. But that is not in itself career limiting unless you have hordes of children; and is the result of biology, not society.

    I do not regret any of the choices I made.

    My point is a simple one. There comes a time when women no longer have childcare responsibilities or where they are less. Women need to realise this and plan their working lives so that they do not miss out on opportunities when that time comes. So too do employers and society generally.

    My best work and achievements were later in life. They built on what I did and learned in my 20's and 30's but I was really able to flourish and contribute and had a hell of a lot to offer later on. There are and will be plenty like me who could do the same. But if you look around you in many workplaces you will not find that many there and it partly because of assumptions made and partly because of a sort of invisibility which can often descend and partly because the way work and organization are structured women - and this can often apply to men too - can result in a loss of talent or a failure to use what talent that is there.

    Far too many workplaces are structured around assumptions which, often unthinkingly, favour men - principally men with a traditional old-fashioned support structure around them. So this makes it hard for women and hard too for men who don't fall into that category.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited August 2021
    kamski said:

    I'm not sure if any significant changes apply to this election, but I could be wrong, do you have a link to the cap rule? I know there are moves to try and reduce the size of the parliament. But surely any change that made the system significantly non-proportional would be disallowed by the constitutional court.
    There's a (German) wikipedia article which is, to my knowledge, factually correct. Though, I'm not sure how helpful it is. Things are a bit complicated.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestagswahlrecht#Sitzverteilung_ab_2020
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,530
    edited August 2021

    After catastrophic few days - both in implementation and messaging - feels like @POTUS is trying to change narrative from this being Saigon 1975, to Dunkirk 1940
    #Afghanistan


    https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1430182528116273156?s=20

    Of course with Dunkirk we went back a few years later and finished the job.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    NEW: @BorisJohnson has failed to persuade @JoeBiden to extend the August 31 deadline for withdrawal of US troops from Kabul
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1430201092990717954
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    Telegraph carried a diary style article by an unnamed Para in Kabul over the last week. He seemed to imply most British nationals on the list got scooped up by the armed sorties to the rendezvous points in his first 24 hours.

    Of course what we don’t know is how many haven’t managed to make it to Kabul yet. But I think the chance of a cascade of Ken Bigleys is thankfully receding (at goodness know what financial cost under the table).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    isam said:

    The question about 1950s from @NickPalmer was regarding multiculturalism and whether we were better off then or now wrt to what the immigrant cultures have brought to the table, not to do with women, their rights, homosexuality etc etc.

    Those things have improved but that’s not because of mass immigration or multiculturalism, in fact the immigrants tend to be less progressive in those regards than boring old white English men

    Hello there. Firstly, a clarification because checking on PT replies I see you thought my comment yesterday about Talking Pints on GB News was derogatory towards you. Was mortified. Did not mean it that way at all. It was a genuine recommendation of something on TV I thought you'd like. Farage is your favourite politician (you've said so many times) and his guest was indeed darts legend Bobby George (and we both like darts). But anyway. No biggie.

    I just have a question regarding your "multicultural doesn't work" sentiment. The incomer cultures that you see as a net negative for life in England - in practice do you mainly mean Muslims or is it much wider than this?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    HYUFD said:

    If you live in a comprehensive area then the private schools will almost always be better academically, so if you are wealthy and want the best for your kids you send them private. Or else you buy a house in the catchment area of an absolutely outstanding state school.

    If you live in a selective area however often the grammar schools get as good results as the private schools if not better, so if they pass the 11 or 13 plus then you can send them to the grammar. Only if they fail would you need to send them private
    Quite a carry on. I'm convinced there's a better way.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    Boris Johnson didn't say it explicitly in his clip but the whole thing was underpinned on the assumption there won't be an delay to the August 31 Afghan withdrawal.

    So 7 days left.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1430203768289865729
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    PM refused to deny his argument for extension had failed.
    “The number one condition that we’re insisting upon is safe passage beyond the 31st, beyond this initial phase, for those who want to leave Afghanistan,” Johnson said.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1430204112080150528
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    Andy_JS said:

    If you were a social liberal in the 1950s and could choose to live anywhere, London would probably be near the top of the list of places to move to.

    Yes, at any one time London should be towards the head of the pack on this. It'd be a worry if it weren't. New York was supposedly where it was at in the 50s though. All before my time of course.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    Boris fails to persuade Biden to move from his 31st August deadline for withdrawal of US troops from Kabul.
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1430201092990717954?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330

    Of course with Dunkirk we went back a few years later and finished the job.
    Obviously need to get the Russkis involved..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson didn't say it explicitly in his clip but the whole thing was underpinned on the assumption there won't be an delay to the August 31 Afghan withdrawal.

    So 7 days left.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1430203768289865729

    Biden and the Taliban in agreement it seems
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    HYUFD said:

    Biden and the Taliban in agreement it seems
    That no one cares what BJ says?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    HYUFD said:

    Biden and the Taliban in agreement it seems

    https://twitter.com/Adamstoon1/status/1430116586078318592
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited August 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    PM refused to deny his argument for extension had failed.
    “The number one condition that we’re insisting upon is safe passage beyond the 31st, beyond this initial phase, for those who want to leave Afghanistan,” Johnson said.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1430204112080150528

    What you do not say that the BBC have, is that Biden rejected the UK, Germany and France's request for a delay

    As the BBC said on 5 live this morning, labour had tried to get Raab sacked but the public simply were not listening, and blame Biden for the situation and this will just emphasise the public perception that Biden is responsible for any failures

    And Sky have just reported from the US, this is a holding position and Biden has instructed his advisors to provide him with various options if he does have to extend
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    My grandparents came to the UK for a better life (and much encouragement from the UK government who wanted the empire links to continue)

    One thing few people like to talk about is the fact the largest volunteer army in history was the British Indian Army, my great grandfather served in that army and according to one of my grandfathers my great grandfather loved it, allowed him to feel equal with the Brits. You cannot beat bonds like that, so my great grandfather told his son to go to the UK.

    I think one of the things that is quite the pull factor now as it was then was they could all speak English.

    Because English is the lingua franca of the world expect more immigration.

    Read a history of Brighton - when WWI casualties started showing up from the Indian Army Brighton Council thought "we'll put them in the Brighton Pavilion - help them feel at home". They were in much grander quarters than their tommy counterparts!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    Charlie Watts has died.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    Aaargh!

    Bear GerFlag of Scotland
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    Charlie Watts dead
  • That no one cares what BJ says?
    Nor Merkel or Macron
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    edited August 2021

    Aaargh!

    Bear GerFlag of Scotland
    @bear_ger
    1m
    Charlie Watts dead

    Your sort of guy - drums and CLOTHES.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61jfm219ArA
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    kinabalu said:

    Your sort of guy - drums and CLOTHES.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqqkGxZ1_8I
    :(

    Totally the coolest Stone.
    Least important thing of course, but the last bulwark against the Stones turning into a hollowed out burlesque act.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384
    HYUFD said:

    As I said earlier 59% of the population still class themselves as Christian in theory.

    So significantly fewer Christians have church weddings and baptisms than those who call themselves Christian, let alone attend church every Sunday. So that would seem more significant than a few atheists who like a traditional country church rather then registry office wedding and christening
    Frankly, unless someone can explain whose conception was immaculate, and why, then I don't think you should get to call yourself a Christian.

    Which means, what, 1 to 2% of Brits are Christians.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    :(

    Totally the coolest Stone.
    Least important thing of course, but the last bulwark against the Stones turning into a hollowed out burlesque act.
    "Work 5 years and 20 years hanging around" - :smile:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMA5aSr6kkQ
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    edited August 2021
    Anyway, got to play a few now. Has to be done. Used to LOVE this band when I was young and still do now I'm old.
  • :(

    Totally the coolest Stone.
    Least important thing of course, but the last bulwark against the Stones turning into a hollowed out burlesque act.
    A complete star. A jazz man who made Rock and Roll his own. Really sad now.
  • kinabalu said:

    Charlie Watts has died.

    Shit. That's ruined my day. :(
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    Frankly, unless someone can explain whose conception was immaculate, and why, then I don't think you should get to call yourself a Christian.

    Which means, what, 1 to 2% of Brits are Christians.
    Only Papists believe in that, I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    edited August 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Frankly, unless someone can explain whose conception was immaculate, and why, then I don't think you should get to call yourself a Christian.

    Which means, what, 1 to 2% of Brits are Christians.
    There are plenty of people who only classify themselves Christian because here it still mostly means Church of England ie images of quaint and historic rural parish churches and vicarages and generally liberal vicars. If to classify themselves as Christian they had to classify themselves as Catholic, or evangelical Presbyterian, Baptist, Pentecostal etc they probably would put agnostic
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    There are plenty of people who only classify themselves Christian because here it still mostly means Church of England ie images of quaint and historic rural parish churches and vicarages. If to classify themselves as Christian they had to classify themselves as Catholic, or evangelical Presbyterian, Baptist, Pentecostal etc they probably would put agnostic
    Mind you, it's great fun for Anglicans to troll English Catholics by asking them why their churches are all so modern and ugly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    IshmaelZ said:

    Mind you, it's great fun for Anglicans to troll English Catholics by asking them why their churches are all so modern and ugly.
    Albeit most of the oldest Medieval Churches were once Catholic too before the Reformation
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Albeit most of the oldest Medieval Churches were once Catholic too before the Reformation
    That was my point.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    Sorry lads, I'm gonnae be posting a bit of this kind of thing.
    Dread thought, will BJ feel obliged to comment?

    https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1430209921820286976?s=20
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,479
    edited August 2021
    Late afternoon all :)

    Another country in which the centre left is polling well is Norway ahead of the election there on September 13th.

    The latest Norstat poll (changes from 2017 election):

    Labour: 26.8% (-0.6)
    Conservative: 18.9% (-6.1)
    Centre Party: 12.8% (+2.5)
    Progress Party: 10.5% (-4.7)
    Socialist Left: 9.5% (+3.5)
    Greens: 5.3% (+2.1)
    Red Party: 4.7% (+2.3)
    Liberal Party: 3.8% (-0.6)
    Christian Democrats: 3.6% (-0.6)
    Others: 4.2% (+2.5)

    The centre-left Red Bloc of parties has a 17 point lead over the centre-right Blue Bloc at roughly 54-37.

    Kantar suggesting a big majority (78%) think Jonas Gahr Store, the Labour leader, will be the next Prime Minister and he is the preferred leader over Prime Minister Solberg by 40-31.

    Some fascinating "county" polling within Norway which as we know has a population of about 5.5 million of whom around a million live in and around Oslo.

    In 2017, Labour won Oslo by two points polling 28.4% to 26.4% for the Conservatives. Polling taken last week shows Labour down five to 23.4% and the Conservatives down six and a half points to 19.9%. Socialist Left is now a strong third on 16.5% (up 7.2) with the Greens also up five to 11.0%.

    The swing from the Blue to the Red Bloc of parties nationally is not far off 10% but that swing is being driven by gains for the far Left parties.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    A complete star. A jazz man who made Rock and Roll his own. Really sad now.
    I quite liked the story in one of the Dominic Sandbrook books about him - he thought his middle class bandmates' drug use and general foppishness slightly ridiculous, and much preferred a modle train set to a massive drugs binge.
  • An insight into why Charlie Watts was one of the all time great drummers:

    "'Get Off of My Cloud'

    From: 'December's Children (And Everybody's)' (1965)

    Like he does on "Honky Honk Women" (see No. 2 on our list of the Top 10 Charlie Watts Rolling Stones Songs), Watts totally dominates the Stones' second No. 1 single, which features one of the most unconventional drum structures ever employed in a Top 40 hit. Basically, Watts plays the same 4/4-beat-fill-4/4-beat-fill pattern throughout the song, guaranteeing you won't be able to escape the noisy upstairs neighbours, no matter how hard you try. That he keeps it up for the entire three minutes without once breaking the beat is a testament to his timeless talent."

    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/charlie-watts-rolling-stones-songs/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    An insight into why Charlie Watts was one of the all time great drummers:

    "'Get Off of My Cloud'

    From: 'December's Children (And Everybody's)' (1965)

    Like he does on "Honky Honk Women" (see No. 2 on our list of the Top 10 Charlie Watts Rolling Stones Songs), Watts totally dominates the Stones' second No. 1 single, which features one of the most unconventional drum structures ever employed in a Top 40 hit. Basically, Watts plays the same 4/4-beat-fill-4/4-beat-fill pattern throughout the song, guaranteeing you won't be able to escape the noisy upstairs neighbours, no matter how hard you try. That he keeps it up for the entire three minutes without once breaking the beat is a testament to his timeless talent."

    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/charlie-watts-rolling-stones-songs/

    Being able to repeat a simple pattern for 3 minutes without a mistake is a sign of timeless talent? How do we know he didn't record it once and loop it?

    Is it a bad time to ask who it was who called them white boys playing black music badly?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    An insight into why Charlie Watts was one of the all time great drummers:

    "'Get Off of My Cloud'

    From: 'December's Children (And Everybody's)' (1965)

    Like he does on "Honky Honk Women" (see No. 2 on our list of the Top 10 Charlie Watts Rolling Stones Songs), Watts totally dominates the Stones' second No. 1 single, which features one of the most unconventional drum structures ever employed in a Top 40 hit. Basically, Watts plays the same 4/4-beat-fill-4/4-beat-fill pattern throughout the song, guaranteeing you won't be able to escape the noisy upstairs neighbours, no matter how hard you try. That he keeps it up for the entire three minutes without once breaking the beat is a testament to his timeless talent."

    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/charlie-watts-rolling-stones-songs/

    Hi Richard, just wanted to thank you for the book recommendation - Food and Fire by Marcus Bawdon. It is excellent - hugely inspiring.

    I saw your post the other day and hope all goes well managing the end of your contract, and that you find suitable pastures new.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    kinabalu said:

    Hello there. Firstly, a clarification because checking on PT replies I see you thought my comment yesterday about Talking Pints on GB News was derogatory towards you. Was mortified. Did not mean it that way at all. It was a genuine recommendation of something on TV I thought you'd like. Farage is your favourite politician (you've said so many times) and his guest was indeed darts legend Bobby George (and we both like darts). But anyway. No biggie.

    I just have a question regarding your "multicultural doesn't work" sentiment. The incomer cultures that you see as a net negative for life in England - in practice do you mainly mean Muslims or is it much wider than this?
    Mainly Muslims
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    edited August 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    That was my point.
    However to be fair to them from the Reformation until 1791 Catholic worship was illegal in England and Wales (with the exception of 1555-58 under Mary Tudor and 1685-88 under James IInd). That rather limited their scope for building churches which are pre 19th century
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    kinabalu said:

    Anyway, got to play a few now. Has to be done. Used to LOVE this band when I was young and still do now I'm old.

    Yeah I was utterly obsessed by the Stones when I was a teenager. So gutted to hear about Charlie, always my favourite member of the band. Just such a fucking gent. I was listening to Let it Bleed only this afternoon, probably not a month goes by that I don't listen to that album. Really sad now.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Pretty sure Charlie Watts was the best drummer in the Stones. RIP.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    People of no religion are now in the majority in the UK.

    By pretty much any reasonable metric, it is one of the most irreligious nations on Earth.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/11/uk-secularism-on-rise-as-more-than-half-say-they-have-no-religion?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Shit. That's ruined my day. :(
    Yes. And I didn't realize he was ill. Charlie was great. Talk about understated blokey elegance.

    And although the band have gone a bit 'you don't so much marvel at what they do, more that they still do it' these days, they are the Stones and the Stones are ... the Stones!

    But now they aren't. He wasn't their Ringo.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Sorry lads, I'm gonnae be posting a bit of this kind of thing.
    Dread thought, will BJ feel obliged to comment?

    https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1430209921820286976?s=20

    One truly fears so. Let's agree not to cover it on here if he does.
  • Just promoting my home town

    Llandudno named one of the most beautiful coastal towns in the UK

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-named-one-most-beautiful-21385581#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare
  • Absolutely gutted about Charlie Watts.

    The Rolling Stones are the band I've seen live the most.

    Start Me Up is my anthem.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    Boris Johnson put a brave face on the G7 meeting – but it was a discussion about how to present failure ⁦@indypremium⁩ https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/afghanistan-g7-taliban-boris-johnson-b1908066.html
  • Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson put a brave face on the G7 meeting – but it was a discussion about how to present failure ⁦@indypremium⁩ https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/afghanistan-g7-taliban-boris-johnson-b1908066.html

    At least UK, Germany and France were in unison and Biden is on the hook for this if it goes wrong
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    NEW: Acc to MP on @CommonsForeign, Foreign Secretary @DominicRaab will be hauled before the Foreign Affairs Select Committee on Wednesday to answer Qs on his handling of the Afghanistan crisis

    This very rarely happens during parliamentary recess!

    https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1430221285452353544
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    kinabalu said:

    Yes. And I didn't realize he was ill. Charlie was great. Talk about understated blokey elegance.

    And although the band have gone a bit 'you don't so much marvel at what they do, more that they still do it' these days, they are the Stones and the Stones are ... the Stones!

    But now they aren't. He wasn't their Ringo.
    Understated blokey elegance:
    image

    I love the contrast in presentation between Charlie and the other three in that, together with his look of mild exasperation: "why are they STILL dressing like fops?".
  • Hi Richard, just wanted to thank you for the book recommendation - Food and Fire by Marcus Bawdon. It is excellent - hugely inspiring.

    I saw your post the other day and hope all goes well managing the end of your contract, and that you find suitable pastures new.
    Thanks Anabob. :)

    I was talking to Marcus today as we are both in the same boat when at comes to contracts at the moment. Thankfully the BBQ stuff is really taking off for him at the moment so there might come a time when he doesn't need the consultancy work. Meanwhile I need to find time to write some more and see if I can get myself in a similar position.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384

    At least UK, Germany and France were in unison and Biden is on the hook for this if it goes wrong
    I think you'll find it is regular Afghanis who are on the hook for this if it goes wrong.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Yeah I was utterly obsessed by the Stones when I was a teenager. So gutted to hear about Charlie, always my favourite member of the band. Just such a fucking gent. I was listening to Let it Bleed only this afternoon, probably not a month goes by that I don't listen to that album. Really sad now.
    That's a great record. When I first saw them in 82, after being a mega fan for years, the first bars of the intro song Under My Thumb (unwoke lyrics or what!) boomed out, Jagger came prancing on in baseball gear, and I started blubbering in front of who I was with.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Being able to repeat a simple pattern for 3 minutes without a mistake is a sign of timeless talent? How do we know he didn't record it once and loop it?

    Is it a bad time to ask who it was who called them white boys playing black music badly?
    It is worth pointing out that - sad as it may be as a reflection of the US - if it weren't for those English white boys then no one in the US outside of the black communities would have been listening to that black music.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,787

    At least UK, Germany and France were in unison and Biden is on the hook for this if it goes wrong
    No, the UK is firmly on the hook for having a PM who is unfit for office and is seen by the Americans as an absolute joke. The UK, Germany and France and the non-US NATO members are collectively on the hook for having allowed our defence capability to become completely dependent on the US. It is not just Biden's disgrace, it disgraces us all.
  • No, the UK is firmly on the hook for having a PM who is unfit for office and is seen by the Americans as an absolute joke. The UK, Germany and France and the non-US NATO members are collectively on the hook for having allowed our defence capability to become completely dependent on the US. It is not just Biden's disgrace, it disgraces us all.
    We didn't 'allow' it to happen. It has been that way since WW2.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    Neil Peart (RIP) spoke about continuing to play as a pensioner.

    He said "I might be able to go on playing like Charlie Watts, not like Neil Peart"...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    It is worth pointing out that - sad as it may be as a reflection of the US - if it weren't for those English white boys then no one in the US outside of the black communities would have been listening to that black music.
    Some of us white boys were listening to that black music even without them!

    Have you come across this video?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qfTk730Cw&ab_channel=JoseDurán
  • No, the UK is firmly on the hook for having a PM who is unfit for office and is seen by the Americans as an absolute joke. The UK, Germany and France and the non-US NATO members are collectively on the hook for having allowed our defence capability to become completely dependent on the US. It is not just Biden's disgrace, it disgraces us all.
    In the court of public opinion Biden will be the one held responsible as reported by the BBC this morning
  • kinabalu said:

    That's a great record. When I first saw them in 82, after being a mega fan for years, the first bars of the intro song Under My Thumb (unwoke lyrics or what!) boomed out, Jagger came prancing on in baseball gear, and I started blubbering in front of who I was with.
    My wife always loves to recount the story of the first time I took her to see Bruce Springsteen. We were down towards the front at Milton Keynes Bowl and she was surrounded by all these 6 foot blokes. The first strains of harmonica for The River sang out and suddenly everyone around her is in tears. Me included.

    Music is a strange and wonderous thing.
  • Scott_xP said:
    Everyone is calling for that, hardly news
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    Only Papists believe in that, I think.
    Not just Roman Catholics but I believe also the more, erm, incense-y and high ritual-y part of the [edit: one must be accurate] Church of England (which as any fule kno is Catholic as well).
  • Scott_xP said:

    Neil Peart (RIP) spoke about continuing to play as a pensioner.

    He said "I might be able to go on playing like Charlie Watts, not like Neil Peart"...

    Ach. There was another great drummer and another absolute gent.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    Column: on the banal reality of Brexit as an unspectacular failure that has everyone dissatisfied and no-one willing to talk about what should happen next. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/24/brexit-failure-remainers-shelves-empty-eu
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    If only more lefties gave a flying fuck about the plight of brown women across the Middle East and Asia when there isn't an opportunity to point score against a Tory government. I'm not accusing you, more of a general comment that it's amazing how women who face the worst kind of oppression from a backwards religion get no airtime from Labour and other assorted lefties until there's a chance to point score. It's almost as if they're worried about offending their core voters.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    HYUFD said:

    <

    If the CDU/CSU do not do a deal with the AfD they would effectively be consigned to permanent opposition anyway if a cozy SPD-Green-Linke consensus takes hold so no problem. If a few CDU centrists refuse that would be a small price to pay for the chance to return to power.

    The Union can take power with the SPD and/or Greens but only if the latter refuse to share power with the Linke, if they do then that option of further grand coalitions is removed.

    The CDU and FDP even combined no longer have anywhere near enough seats to form governments again alone
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/shockwaves-in-berlin-as-far-right-afd-lends-support-to-mainstream.html

    Thueringen isn't Berlin, and the national party recoiled in horror from that deal. You're being awfully pessimistic - I'd be thrilled to see an SPD-Green-Linke coalition but I don't think it's very likely, and would be with a tiny majority. Postwar German history shows that coalitions shift around, and the CDU would be back when the centre-left stumbled. Unless, that is, the CDU had got into bed with the far right, in which case they'd lose votes (why vote for an extremist ally when you can vote for the real thing?) and lose coalition partners.

    The same reasoning, to be honest, is why the SPD aren't keen to do a national deal with the Linke...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111

    Ach. There was another great drummer and another absolute gent.

    Indeed. His books are worth reading as well.

    Charlie is getting plaudits for playing a steady beat for 60 years.

    Neil completely reinvented his whole technique half way through his career.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    Scott_xP said:

    Column: on the banal reality of Brexit as an unspectacular failure that has everyone dissatisfied and no-one willing to talk about what should happen next. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/24/brexit-failure-remainers-shelves-empty-eu

    Wow that same picture of the empty sparkling water shelf!

    Is it just because I was an enthusiastic leaver that I havent seen any empty shelves, apart from the water aisle in Waitrose, in any of the supermarkets I have visited?

    Maybe it really was all about believing in Brexit!!! Remainers don't believe and see food shortages, spooky!
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735
    edited August 2021

    Just promoting my home town

    Llandudno named one of the most beautiful coastal towns in the UK

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-named-one-most-beautiful-21385581#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare

    Twas rather nice when we were there this afternoon.

    What is surprising is the unspoiled sea front with hotels all alongside the side and no shops / amusement arcades. Slightly more awkward was the lack of bars and cafes until the Tynedale hotel.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,785
    edited August 2021

    In the court of public opinion Biden will be the one held responsible as reported by the BBC this morning
    And as reported by our roving correspondent in, or near, Llandudno.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    The normal tank races that they have are quite something, too.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    HYUFD said:

    Biden and the Taliban in agreement it seems
    So far the Taliban has a better record of sticking to its agreements than Boris does….
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,785
    kinabalu said:

    That's a great record. When I first saw them in 82, after being a mega fan for years, the first bars of the intro song Under My Thumb (unwoke lyrics or what!) boomed out, Jagger came prancing on in baseball gear, and I started blubbering in front of who I was with.
    I saw them in 1982 as well - same tour, no doubt. Roundhay Park, Leeds. Huge crowd, electric atmosphere. Very anti-Thatcher vibe!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    Carnyx said:

    The normal tank races that they have are quite something, too.
    Ballerinas on tanks? Why can't they be normal like us and stick with minor politicians.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    My wife always loves to recount the story of the first time I took her to see Bruce Springsteen. We were down towards the front at Milton Keynes Bowl and she was surrounded by all these 6 foot blokes. The first strains of harmonica for The River sang out and suddenly everyone around her is in tears. Me included.

    Music is a strange and wonderous thing.
    It is yes. Never seen the Boss. Wish I had.

    "Well you can tell her there's a hot sun beating on a black top ..."

    🙂
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,479


    Thueringen isn't Berlin, and the national party recoiled in horror from that deal. You're being awfully pessimistic - I'd be thrilled to see an SPD-Green-Linke coalition but I don't think it's very likely, and would be with a tiny majority. Postwar German history shows that coalitions shift around, and the CDU would be back when the centre-left stumbled. Unless, that is, the CDU had got into bed with the far right, in which case they'd lose votes (why vote for an extremist ally when you can vote for the real thing?) and lose coalition partners.

    The same reasoning, to be honest, is why the SPD aren't keen to do a national deal with the Linke...

    I think Lindner holds the key.

    IF the SPD outpoll the Union, I suspect the CDU/CSU will go into opposition to lick their wounds and digest what would be comfortably their worst ever result.

    Lindner has said he will not join a coalition "led" by the Greens - he has not ruled out joining a Government led by the SPD which might also include the Greens. On the current numbers, an SPD-Green-FDP Coalition would have a clear majority so Lindner has to decide how comfortable he will be sitting round a table with Greens but deferring to Scholz as Chancellor.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    NICOLA Sturgeon has hired a record number of special advisers, with the wage bill likely to be the highest in the history of the Scottish parliament.

    The First Minister has appointed 15 special advisers – known as spads – so far, with two advisers now being paid the top wage bracket.


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19534970.record-number-spin-doctors-hired-sturgeon-wage-bill-top-1m/?ref=twtrec
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Carnyx said:

    Not just Roman Catholics but I believe also the more, erm, incense-y and high ritual-y part of the [edit: one must be accurate] Church of England (which as any fule kno is Catholic as well).
    It claims catholicity, but if that claim wasn't disputed Boris wouldn't have had a church wedding earlier this year.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Ballerinas on tanks? Why can't they be normal like us and stick with minor politicians.
    And the occasional major one…..
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    The Counterfeit Stones are good fun if the real thing don't tour anymore - I saw The Rolling Stones play once, at Wembley Arena I think. It was the 40 Licks tour and one of my mates was livid that Keith Richards sang a couple of songs, saying that would have only been alright if it was advertised as "The B-Sides and Out takes Tour"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    NICOLA Sturgeon has hired a record number of special advisers, with the wage bill likely to be the highest in the history of the Scottish parliament.

    The First Minister has appointed 15 special advisers – known as spads – so far, with two advisers now being paid the top wage bracket.


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19534970.record-number-spin-doctors-hired-sturgeon-wage-bill-top-1m/?ref=twtrec

    Hmm. Intderestding wording. I can't read it - but how many does she have at one time, is the question begged.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111

    NICOLA Sturgeon has hired a record number of special advisers, with the wage bill likely to be the highest in the history of the Scottish parliament.

    The First Minister has appointed 15 special advisers – known as spads – so far, with two advisers now being paid the top wage bracket.


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19534970.record-number-spin-doctors-hired-sturgeon-wage-bill-top-1m/?ref=twtrec

    SNP ministers have refused to accept millions of pounds from the UK government to upgrade Scotland’s roads

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-refuse-millions-from-westminster-to-upgrade-roads-xmktj38xs?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1629822933-1
  • Scott_xP said:

    Indeed. His books are worth reading as well.

    Charlie is getting plaudits for playing a steady beat for 60 years.

    Neil completely reinvented his whole technique half way through his career.
    Nah Charlie was a great drummer and brought the jazz sensibility to his rock and roll playing. Much like Ginger. Neil was undoubtedly in a class of his own but it is not an either/or situation. They were both great.

    Great drumming is seriously underrated. Just look at John Bonham, another remarkable drummer who turned banging a stick into a true art form.
  • MaxPB said:

    If only more lefties gave a flying fuck about the plight of brown women across the Middle East and Asia when there isn't an opportunity to point score against a Tory government. I'm not accusing you, more of a general comment that it's amazing how women who face the worst kind of oppression from a backwards religion get no airtime from Labour and other assorted lefties until there's a chance to point score. It's almost as if they're worried about offending their core voters.
    I've been calling out the Taliban quite routinely and I am quite ashamed the Corbynites especially are more interested in attacking Blair for going into Afghanistan or worse saying we should give money to the Taliban as payback for going in, in the first place.

    I don't comment as much as I noted right at the beginning, this is not my area of knowledge and I don't like to comment too widely on issues I don't have a reasonable understanding of.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    maaarsh said:

    It claims catholicity, but if that claim wasn't disputed Boris wouldn't have had a church wedding earlier this year.
    *blinks in surprise*

    Yes, I suppose so! Nice connection there!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,785
    isam said:

    Wow that same picture of the empty sparkling water shelf!

    Is it just because I was an enthusiastic leaver that I havent seen any empty shelves, apart from the water aisle in Waitrose, in any of the supermarkets I have visited?

    Maybe it really was all about believing in Brexit!!! Remainers don't believe and see food shortages, spooky!
    I'm an empty-shelf sceptic, like you. Though funnily enough, my personal shopper walks to our local Morrison's three or four times a week. Daily reports since empty-shelfgate started show no problem - until yesterday. Apparently, fresh fruit and veg severely depleted for the first time ever. No grapes, strawberries or spinach at all. However, this Remainer has not attributed this at all to Brexit (yet).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111

    Nah Charlie was a great drummer and brought the jazz sensibility to his rock and roll playing. Much like Ginger. Neil was undoubtedly in a class of his own but it is not an either/or situation. They were both great.

    Great drumming is seriously underrated. Just look at John Bonham, another remarkable drummer who turned banging a stick into a true art form.

    Phil Collins

    [ducks]
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    Vegan round the island swimmer update: he completed the swim, and smashed the previous record of 26 hours, finishing in 15 hours 9 mins.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    isam said:

    The Counterfeit Stones are good fun if the real thing don't tour anymore

    I saw Fred Zeppelin once
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384

    Nah Charlie was a great drummer and brought the jazz sensibility to his rock and roll playing. Much like Ginger. Neil was undoubtedly in a class of his own but it is not an either/or situation. They were both great.

    Great drumming is seriously underrated. Just look at John Bonham, another remarkable drummer who turned banging a stick into a true art form.
    I would also add Phil Selway from Radiohead.
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