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Why Democratic party candidates should welcome Trump backing their opponents – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited July 27 in General
imageWhy Democratic party candidates should welcome Trump backing their opponents – politicalbetting.com

There’s a new academic analysis just been published which seeks to measure the effect of Trump backing certain Republican contenders in the 2018 midterm elections.

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,744
    First.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,248
    This isn’t going to ease the pressure on vaccinating teenagers:

    Covid-19: Irish vaccine programme to include 12-15-year-olds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57984314

    Past experience Instinct is suggesting there will be a u-turn at the start of October.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 495
    edited July 27
    Third?

    Edit: Yes, third, like the Reich.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,291
    Democrats find that being opposed by candidates blessed by the angry orange racist QAnon turd creates turnout and enthusiasm for them....

    I am shocked, shocked.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,217
    edited July 27
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    This is why we need more lawyers in government/SPAD roles.

    A lifetime of billing in six minute blocks would mean things like that don't happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    edited July 27
    Oh.

    Cheshire Police CLOSE £10k blackmail probe into Wayne Rooney party pictures as Rooney agrees 'not to take matter further' https://trib.al/Y1Xn6qB
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,521
    Trump again?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,304
    ydoethur said:

    This isn’t going to ease the pressure on vaccinating teenagers:

    Covid-19: Irish vaccine programme to include 12-15-year-olds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57984314

    Past experience Instinct is suggesting there will be a u-turn at the start of October.

    I think we need to get on with at least offering the vaccine to 16-18 year olds. Those going on to FE will need it for a start. I think below that age is a bit more difficult to call. If cases continue to fall at their present rate then the pressure to do so may fall too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,130
    Interesting polling on how Republicans think about the issue.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/565041-poll-republicans-want-trump-to-have-a-say-in-partys-future
    ...Forty-seven percent of Republican respondents say that the former president should yield “a lot” of influence within the party, while roughly one-third — 34 percent — believe that he should have “a little” sway over the GOP and its future.

    The poll found that many Republicans are concerned about the direction of their party. A third of Republicans surveyed, 33 percent, are pessimistic about the GOP’s future, while 41 percent say they are optimistic. Only 13 percent say they are “very” optimistic about the future of the Republican Party...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    The man is a menace and being used by opponents of science and vaccines.

    Internment is too good for him.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,041
    The Tories would love that:

    Kenny Farquharson @KennyFarq
    NEW: Defeating the Tories requires an electoral pact between all of the UK's progressive parties, including the SNP.


    https://twitter.com/KennyFarq/status/1420054813656690690?s=20
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,440

    Because I always hope for the best and prepare for the worst, what do we think happens when schools reopen and universities start having students back on campus?

    Cases to rise a lot?

    depends what you meen by a lot?

    There probably will be some rise, that's what happens to respiratory viral infections, in the autumn.

    but I don't think a large number, cases for kids are dropping more slowly than for adults, according to the chartes posted below, suggesting that the fall in kids is a lagging secondary affect of the fall in adults, not because of the schools closeting.

    For the original and even the alfa variant, kid to kid transiention was low, it seems to have been a bit higher for delta, but hard to say if amongst kids only the R0 number would be above 1, it might be but if its 1.1 or 1.2 then only 10 or 20% of kids need antibodies for there to be effetely zero growth in schools, and we probably have about that now.

    I think the big risk is that there is a small rise in kids and then a massive over-reaction of kids being sent home n large numbers. ether kids get the vaccine or are allowed to get to heard immunity thought infection, but we cant keep sending them home sacrificing there education just to stop infections that might spread to adults, who have now mostly been vaccinated.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,217
    edited July 27
    What is worse than the fact he got it wrong, a number of legit people pointed out his mistake, complete with links to the official data he claims was hidden, and yet next day he was spouting out more bullshit on this topic, just dismissing anybody going against his false narrative.

    Getting things wrong is one thing, but he is far wose than this....and he keeps doing it. Remember the old my contact in the chemical industry bollocks. Loads of stuff on testing...JVT had to go om national tv and tell him to his face to STFU.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,304

    The man is a menace and being used by opponents of science and vaccines.

    Internment is too good for him.
    GB News? Or is that too harsh?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,521
    Do any of the major newspapers offer a zero 'ads' option?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    DavidL said:

    The man is a menace and being used by opponents of science and vaccines.

    Internment is too good for him.
    GB News? Or is that too harsh?
    Not harsh enough for him.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,304

    The Tories would love that:

    Kenny Farquharson @KennyFarq
    NEW: Defeating the Tories requires an electoral pact between all of the UK's progressive parties, including the SNP.


    https://twitter.com/KennyFarq/status/1420054813656690690?s=20

    Death Certificate for Scottish Labour

    Please sign here


    ........................
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,217

    Oh.

    Cheshire Police CLOSE £10k blackmail probe into Wayne Rooney party pictures as Rooney agrees 'not to take matter further' https://trib.al/Y1Xn6qB

    https://youtu.be/wWhtcU4-xAM
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,217

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Its a slippery slope....first its the Hundred, before you know it is Nigel Farage on GB News....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,744

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,521

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    It went off screamingly well. No cricket fan will ever love it, but we'll all enjoy it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641

    The Tories would love that:

    Kenny Farquharson @KennyFarq
    NEW: Defeating the Tories requires an electoral pact between all of the UK's progressive parties, including the SNP.


    https://twitter.com/KennyFarq/status/1420054813656690690?s=20

    Pointless as SLAB would rather cut their own throats for the nth time than cooperate with the SNP.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,640

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Have a Hawaiian pizza on the way home to finish off a day of quality...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    tlg86 said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
    The Welsh Fire, mostly because of Bairstow.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 3,703
    On topic, I would be cautious at assuming Trump in 2022 will be as much a force as in 2018.

    TDS was at its height in 2018, with allegations over Russia and his never-ending commentary from the Presidency. I don't think he has the same galvanising force as he did in 2018 for the opposition (hardcore Democrats / anti-Trump haters yes, less bothered voters no).

    Also, mid-terms are about turnout. Trump may galvanise the parts other Republicans cannot reach whereas Democrats may struggle to maintain enthusiasm. Uncle Joe's ratings are heading down and the picture does not look too rosy over the next 12 months.

    Virginia will be an interesting one here, especially given the firestorm over CRT in schools. If McAuliffe scrapes a narrow victory or even loses (and he's not far ahead at this stage), it suggests the strategy of tying Republicans to Trump has faded appeal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Its a slippery slope....first its the Hundred, before you know it is Nigel Farage on GB News....
    I know, next I'll be watching a match whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,304

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    There is good cricket being played in it by very good players in front of enthusiastic crowds but they are playing for teams that mean absolutely nothing to me and they are playing with silly and unnecessary gimmicks. I can happily watch the IPL on the same basis. Great entertainment. No need to muck about with the format. I hope they change it into a traditional (ha!) Twenty20 format stopping the nonsense. Either way though its great to see live cricket again.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,861
    tlg86 said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
    Skips
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959

    Oh.

    Cheshire Police CLOSE £10k blackmail probe into Wayne Rooney party pictures as Rooney agrees 'not to take matter further' https://trib.al/Y1Xn6qB

    https://youtu.be/wWhtcU4-xAM
    I hope this event is brought up in the Wagatha Christie libel hearing.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,744

    tlg86 said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
    The Welsh Fire, mostly because of Bairstow.
    Says it all.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035
    Omnium said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    It went off screamingly well. No cricket fan will ever love it, but we'll all enjoy it.
    No *old* cricket fan will ever love it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,521

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Its a slippery slope....first its the Hundred, before you know it is Nigel Farage on GB News....
    I know, next I'll be watching a match whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it
    And then finally the TSE signature tune will get aired. We've booked the band.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 3,835
    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366
    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    Dinesh Karthik's shirt is something else in Ultra High Definition.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,521

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    What on Earth are you talking about?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    edited July 27
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
    The Welsh Fire, mostly because of Bairstow.
    Says it all.
    Yup.

    I suspect I'll hate it if I fear it ends up destroying the T20 blast.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,440
    ydoethur said:

    This isn’t going to ease the pressure on vaccinating teenagers:

    Covid-19: Irish vaccine programme to include 12-15-year-olds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57984314

    Past experience Instinct is suggesting there will be a u-turn at the start of October.

    Assuming we keep an 8 week gap between first and second jabs, and then 2 weeks to be fully immunised a first jab to tomorrow wont take full effect till early October.

    AIUI the risk from the jab is similar but slightly lower than the conteseptive pill, which we allow 16 year olds to take.

    We should be letting 16 and 17 year olds take the jab if they wish, many will not, and they should not be discriminated against if they don't but they should have the chose.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,241
    Off-topic:

    Yesterday we went on a trip to Ely, and I bought the little 'un a science primer for kids. He read it on the way back, and went very quiet. I looked over my shoulder and asked what he's reading about.

    "Reproduction," he replied. Followed a few minutes later by: "I feel sick."

    It's one way of introducing him to the subject... :blush:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,744

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Which franchise are you supporting?
    The Welsh Fire, mostly because of Bairstow.
    Says it all.
    Yup.

    I suspect I'll hate it if I fear it ends up destroying the T20 blast.
    And it will probably bugger are batsmen for the test series with India (not that they need much help in that regard).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,130
    RIP Mike Hendrick.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,440
    MrEd said:
    WRT the Californian Recall election of governor Gavin Newsom.

    It could be there are less people who are angry and want him removed than people who are content with him to stay.

    But, I would think looking at how many people quickly singed the petition, that the anti Newsom side are more motivated, while the pro Newsom are comparably apathetic, so there could be a supportive.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,744
    BBC News struggling with the fact that deaths are continuing to rise as despite the fall in cases. It really isn't difficult.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366
    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,767

    DavidL said:

    The man is a menace and being used by opponents of science and vaccines.

    Internment is too good for him.
    GB News? Or is that too harsh?
    Not harsh enough for him.
    Have you seen it recently?

    Five minutes of Dan Wooton and I would empty my bank account to any terrorist group just to make it stop.

    Nobody deserves GBNews.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,640
    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641
    edited July 27

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    He'll just get Mr Sarwar to front for him in Scotland. I'm not sure Mr S. won't fall for it yet again. (Mr Ross will be too busy with the footie, conveniently.)

    Edit: SLAB vote share now so low they might be better off getting the LDs or even the ScoTories to front it. Or not bother with Better Together again?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366

    The Tories would love that:

    Kenny Farquharson @KennyFarq
    NEW: Defeating the Tories requires an electoral pact between all of the UK's progressive parties, including the SNP.


    https://twitter.com/KennyFarq/status/1420054813656690690?s=20

    Ah yes, Kenny “Devomax” Farquharson trying for the thousandth time to revive the deceased ‘Gordon Brown Defence’ of the Union.

    Full marks for effort. Most Brown acolytes gave up long ago.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,943
    edited July 27
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
    I wonder whether the strategy in due course might be to designate specific hospitals for COVID to maximise capacity
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,440
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
    Presumably if cases are fulling dramatically, then after a lag, hospitalisations will also fall? we don't know the lag 2 weeks perhaps, but they will fall?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 3,835
    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 7,090

    Off-topic:

    Yesterday we went on a trip to Ely, and I bought the little 'un a science primer for kids. He read it on the way back, and went very quiet. I looked over my shoulder and asked what he's reading about.

    "Reproduction," he replied. Followed a few minutes later by: "I feel sick."

    It's one way of introducing him to the subject... :blush:

    How old is the little 'un? 26?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    He'll just get Mr Sarwar to front for him in Scotland. I'm not sure Mr S. won't fall for it yet again. (Mr Ross will be too busy with the footie, conveniently.)

    Edit: SLAB vote share now so low they might be better off getting the LDs or even the ScoTories to front it. Or not bother with Better Together again?
    Mr Sarwar is a lightweight. He can’t even front a straightforward parliamentary election campaign: SLab -2 MSPs in May. There is no way he could cope with fronting BetterTogether2.

    If the SLab vote share really is on the wrong side of 10% (and I don’t believe that for a second) then why is Next FM Sarwar priced at 12/1 but Next FM Ross is longer, at 18/1?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
    As I posted earlier, hospital capacity has remained remarkably constant for the past ten years.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    What a time to be alive.




    But hahahahahahahahaha at Martin Shkreli.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,241
    Stocky said:

    Off-topic:

    Yesterday we went on a trip to Ely, and I bought the little 'un a science primer for kids. He read it on the way back, and went very quiet. I looked over my shoulder and asked what he's reading about.

    "Reproduction," he replied. Followed a few minutes later by: "I feel sick."

    It's one way of introducing him to the subject... :blush:

    How old is the little 'un? 26?
    That would make the anecdote less amusing, and throw up some other rather large questions. ;)

    He's just turned seven.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    A reminder kids.

    Hahahahahahahahaha is pronounced 'Karma'.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,640
    Charles said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
    I wonder whether the strategy in due course might be to designate specific hospitals for COVID to maximise capacity
    A sort of Great Barrington arrangement for hospitals? Same problem as for outside hospitals. Delta is just so ubiquitous and infectious.
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
    As I posted earlier, hospital capacity has remained remarkably constant for the past ten years.
    More than 160 patients in our ED today, with more than 20 stuck there for over 12 hours waiting for a bed. The system is overflowing, though few are covid.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    A reminder kids.

    Hahahahahahahahaha is pronounced 'Karma'.

    Being convicted of being a hedge fund manager seems pretty harsh though. Gotta make a lot of people on Wall Street nervous.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    But also, Hahahahahahahahaha
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    edited July 27
    Alistair said:

    A reminder kids.

    Hahahahahahahahaha is pronounced 'Karma'.

    Being convicted of being a hedge fund manager seems pretty harsh though. Gotta make a lot of people on Wall Street nervous.
    Still not as bad as us in the UK when our government said fish were more important than us.

    Still hurts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,630
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    This isn’t going to ease the pressure on vaccinating teenagers:

    Covid-19: Irish vaccine programme to include 12-15-year-olds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57984314

    Past experience Instinct is suggesting there will be a u-turn at the start of October.

    I think we need to get on with at least offering the vaccine to 16-18 year olds. Those going on to FE will need it for a start. I think below that age is a bit more difficult to call. If cases continue to fall at their present rate then the pressure to do so may fall too.
    The difficulty is that, if everywhere else is vaccinating teenagers, then a lot of British families will struggle to travel.

    For example Israel's rules (which are currently on hiatus) are that you can travel there if you are vaccinated, or if you are 12 and under with a negative test.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Undoubtedly correct. BetterTogether2 are guaranteed a stunning victory and das Tausendjähriges Königreich will crush the rebellious Scots. Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings really are smart chaps.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 3,835
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
    As I posted earlier, hospital capacity has remained remarkably constant for the past ten years.
    Okay; not sure the relevance of that.
    Covid patients have to be isolated from other patients and with increased PPE around all of them; Covid is really quite infectious. The more covid patients you have, the more sources of potential infection.
    When about 25-40% of beds are taken up by covid patients, cross-infection will be a more significant risk than when 2%-5% are taken up with covid patients.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,668
    Update on Israel and vaccine efficiency. Better news.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059122725183491
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,264
    edited July 27

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Not this one, in fact I recall saying that Alba and Galloway’s British Union of Fuds both getting zero msps was a live possibility.
    Pretty sure some folk on here were slavering over the thought of Salmond getting back into Holyrood and destroying Nicola..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,630

    What is worse than the fact he got it wrong, a number of legit people pointed out his mistake, complete with links to the official data he claims was hidden, and yet next day he was spouting out more bullshit on this topic, just dismissing anybody going against his false narrative.

    Getting things wrong is one thing, but he is far wose than this....and he keeps doing it. Remember the old my contact in the chemical industry bollocks. Loads of stuff on testing...JVT had to go om national tv and tell him to his face to STFU.
    This isn't the first time he's made monumental fuck ups, and not backed down. Some of his reporting regarding Northern Rock was appallingly wrong.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 3,835
    BigRich said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
    Presumably if cases are fulling dramatically, then after a lag, hospitalisations will also fall? we don't know the lag 2 weeks perhaps, but they will fall?
    Hospitalisations seem to have stabilised at around 2% of case numbers, lagged by an average of 7 days. If so, we should see admissions start to decline within a couple or three days.

    ICU admissions tend to be lagged a bit further.

    Hospital numbers decline on discharge, and the average stay seems to be 6-7 days at the moment. Not sure of the average ICU stay.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,630
    MrEd said:

    On topic, I would be cautious at assuming Trump in 2022 will be as much a force as in 2018.

    TDS was at its height in 2018, with allegations over Russia and his never-ending commentary from the Presidency. I don't think he has the same galvanising force as he did in 2018 for the opposition (hardcore Democrats / anti-Trump haters yes, less bothered voters no).

    Also, mid-terms are about turnout. Trump may galvanise the parts other Republicans cannot reach whereas Democrats may struggle to maintain enthusiasm. Uncle Joe's ratings are heading down and the picture does not look too rosy over the next 12 months.

    Virginia will be an interesting one here, especially given the firestorm over CRT in schools. If McAuliffe scrapes a narrow victory or even loses (and he's not far ahead at this stage), it suggests the strategy of tying Republicans to Trump has faded appeal.

    I would have thought the US will be enjoying a post Covid boom for the next 12 months. Further out, 2024, is going to be a more difficult prospect.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,630

    What a time to be alive.




    But hahahahahahahahaha at Martin Shkreli.

    Surely he should be described as Pharmaceutical Executive?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,944
    edited July 27
    tlg86 said:

    BBC News struggling with the fact that deaths are continuing to rise as despite the fall in cases. It really isn't difficult.

    It is is you're an innumerate Oxbridge arts grad.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Sounds quite plausible to me.

    Local ICU have moved to surge capacity again, aiming for 125% of regular capacity. Really struggling to staff it though. The operating theatre staff don't want to go back, and anaesthetists want to get on with their main job.

    There is no way that waiting lists are going to reduce for a while, nor can hospital Infection Control be relaxed.
    I wonder whether the strategy in due course might be to designate specific hospitals for COVID to maximise capacity
    A sort of Great Barrington arrangement for hospitals? Same problem as for outside hospitals. Delta is just so ubiquitous and infectious.
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
    As I posted earlier, hospital capacity has remained remarkably constant for the past ten years.
    More than 160 patients in our ED today, with more than 20 stuck there for over 12 hours waiting for a bed. The system is overflowing, though few are covid.
    Yes I see that your NHS Trust (Univ Hosp of Leics?) has been very high capacity rates. Probably some of the highest in England. But then I noticed that some of the very highest rates (all over England) were Oct to Dec 2019 and in Oct-Dec 2020 they had come down by over 10 percentage points. You guys were at 93% (2019) vs 82% (2020).

    You must have done some serious kicking out!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,041
    For the hard of thinking:

    I’ve seen a lot of, well people just aren’t testing as much so case fall isn’t real.

    Yes testing is down, but so is positivity. This is exactly as we would expect if there was less symptomatic covid about.

    Less infection, less need for a pcr test.


    https://twitter.com/ThatRyanChap/status/1420082187043487751?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,630

    Update on Israel and vaccine efficiency. Better news.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059122725183491

    That's *really* good news. It suggests that the current exit wave may very well be the end of Covid in the UK.

    Now... if only I could travel between the US and the UK...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    He'll just get Mr Sarwar to front for him in Scotland. I'm not sure Mr S. won't fall for it yet again. (Mr Ross will be too busy with the footie, conveniently.)

    Edit: SLAB vote share now so low they might be better off getting the LDs or even the ScoTories to front it. Or not bother with Better Together again?
    Mr Sarwar is a lightweight. He can’t even front a straightforward parliamentary election campaign: SLab -2 MSPs in May. There is no way he could cope with fronting BetterTogether2.

    If the SLab vote share really is on the wrong side of 10% (and I don’t believe that for a second) then why is Next FM Sarwar priced at 12/1 but Next FM Ross is longer, at 18/1?
    I agree, going to LD levels seems improbable for SLAB - if anything they should be doing rather better.

    But it's not just a matter of vote share, unless improbably SLAB get an absolute majority of seats. Who else might vote for Mr Sarwar as FM rather than a footie referee? The LDs, sure, and perhaps the Greens. If the SNP abstained, that might be enough (but the core issue would probably have to be a loss of SG support of the SNP). But what can SLAB offer that the SNP won't, bearing ijn mind the Greens are pro-indy? Self-identification? Nah.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,380
    Evening all :)

    More than 200,000 adults have received a first vaccination in Newham (57%). Second dose just under 39%. Painfully slow progress - 344 first doses and 834 second yesterday.

    Positive tests moving up but still well below the national average.

    On my travels for work again today - the Underground remains quiet. Coming back through Bank just after 5, you'd expect a torrent of people in the streets and heading into Bank station - nothing like that. a trickle at best.

    Notions of people returning to offices still very wide of the mark on my anecdotal evidence. Trains also very quiet part from leisure travellers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035
    edited July 27

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ratio of people in mechanical ventilation beds for covid to people in hospital for covid has averaged 1:8 through the pandemic.

    Graph of 8x the number in mechanical ventilation beds against people in hospital with covid in England through the pandemic.



    It would be useful if contrarian could point to the recent dates when the ratio fell by half or more.

    Guardian seems to think that one in seven people treated for Covid got it in hospital. It says that 40,600 people contacted Covid in hospital of which 8,500 then died.
    Probably higher at the peaks, when it was most rife and hardest to keep contained, and lower outside of the peaks.
    As I posted earlier, hospital capacity has remained remarkably constant for the past ten years.
    Okay; not sure the relevance of that.
    Covid patients have to be isolated from other patients and with increased PPE around all of them; Covid is really quite infectious. The more covid patients you have, the more sources of potential infection.
    When about 25-40% of beds are taken up by covid patients, cross-infection will be a more significant risk than when 2%-5% are taken up with covid patients.
    If 25-40% of beds are taken by covid patients (source pls) then there has to have been some serious kicking out.

    Capacity rates for "General and acute" beds in winter (Oct-Dec) 2019 were regularly over 90% across England vs 80% the following year the same period.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,755
    rcs1000 said:

    Update on Israel and vaccine efficiency. Better news.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059122725183491

    That's *really* good news. It suggests that the current exit wave may very well be the end of Covid in the UK.

    Now... if only I could travel between the US and the UK...
    If the trip doesn't justify a 14 day layover in Mexico, then you don't need to travel. :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641
    edited July 27

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Not me sir.

    Perhaps a more important question is whether Mr Johnson will come up to Scotland and not hide in a fridge. Mr Cameron at least did so repeatedly [edit: i mean came up, not hide in f.], even after the porridge factory visit of happy memory.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Not this one, in fact I recall saying that Alba and Galloway’s British Union of Fuds both getting zero msps was a live possibility.
    Pretty sure some folk on here were slavering over the thought of Salmond getting back into Holyrood and destroying Nicola..
    If we’re trying to count the number of fuds on each side of the campaign, I think it’s safe to say that BetterTogether2 will win that contest easily. After all, they’ll have the Orange Lodge, BNP and George Galloway on their team; and that’s before we even start to list the Prime Fuds.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,572
    ydoethur said:

    This isn’t going to ease the pressure on vaccinating teenagers:

    Covid-19: Irish vaccine programme to include 12-15-year-olds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57984314

    Past experience Instinct is suggesting there will be a u-turn at the start of October.

    Has the JCVI actually said we won't be vaccinating teenagers?

    Or are they still saying they're analysing the data?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,641

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Not this one, in fact I recall saying that Alba and Galloway’s British Union of Fuds both getting zero msps was a live possibility.
    Pretty sure some folk on here were slavering over the thought of Salmond getting back into Holyrood and destroying Nicola..
    If we’re trying to count the number of fuds on each side of the campaign, I think it’s safe to say that BetterTogether2 will win that contest easily. After all, they’ll have the Orange Lodge, BNP and George Galloway on their team; and that’s before we even start to list the Prime Fuds.
    You forgot Reform UK.

    Oh yes, there was a rather good graphic done at the time of indyref 1 showing the two different teams on a footie pitch. Quite illuminating.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,586
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    More than 200,000 adults have received a first vaccination in Newham (57%). Second dose just under 39%. Painfully slow progress - 344 first doses and 834 second yesterday.

    Positive tests moving up but still well below the national average.

    On my travels for work again today - the Underground remains quiet. Coming back through Bank just after 5, you'd expect a torrent of people in the streets and heading into Bank station - nothing like that. a trickle at best.

    Notions of people returning to offices still very wide of the mark on my anecdotal evidence. Trains also very quiet part from leisure travellers.

    Firms seem to be leaving it until September to sort out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959

    Carnyx said:

    Yes should welcome Johnson backing BetterTogether2

    The chain gang? the hound? Or what have I missed?
    It was revealed on here a few nights ago that Michael Gove’s big wheeze is an IndyRef2 in 2023.

    Taking the theme of OGH’s header - that bampots damage campaigns they back - it would be lovely to see Boris Johnson* out on the campaign trail with BetterTogether2.

    Mind you, if Dominic Cummings and Michael Gove really are the tactical geniuses they think they are, maybe they can persuade Johnson to back Yes?

    (*BJ net approval in Scotland -44 according to latest Opinium)
    Do you think Alex Salmond will get involved in Indyref2?

    I mean his ratings earlier on this year were worse than Boris Johnson's ratings in Scotland.

    It is why so many of us bet on Alba do very badly in May whereas the Scotch experts were predicting 12%-14% for Alba minimum.
    Not this one, in fact I recall saying that Alba and Galloway’s British Union of Fuds both getting zero msps was a live possibility.
    Pretty sure some folk on here were slavering over the thought of Salmond getting back into Holyrood and destroying Nicola..
    Well one Scotch expert did.

    My sweet spot was Alba getting just one MSP and that MSP being Alex Salmond.

    There would have been something tragic-comedic about that for the next four years.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,877

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    I'm going to Lords next Tuesday! Cheap tickets and an opportunity for midweek boozing and general shit chatting was a reasonably good draw. Got the afternoon off for it too 👌
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,572

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Me too, though I don't have a team.

    I simply won't support Manchester and that's my "local" one.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 32,035

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    Me too, though I don't have a team.

    I simply won't support Manchester and that's my "local" one.
    Oh ye (all) of little faith.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,959
    MaxPB said:

    Don't hate me.

    But I'm warming to The Hundred.

    I'm going to Lords next Tuesday! Cheap tickets and an opportunity for midweek boozing and general shit chatting was a reasonably good draw. Got the afternoon off for it too 👌
    You can get that with the T20 blast since 2003.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,877

    Update on Israel and vaccine efficiency. Better news.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1420059122725183491

    Oh dear, it looks like Israel just didn't do a HR (hospitalisation risk) adjustment and published raw figures. That definitely puts their original numbers into perspective because I expect the UK and Canadian numbers look the same without the adjustment.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,366

    The Tories would love that:

    Kenny Farquharson @KennyFarq
    NEW: Defeating the Tories requires an electoral pact between all of the UK's progressive parties, including the SNP.


    https://twitter.com/KennyFarq/status/1420054813656690690?s=20

    Fascinating to see Simon Pia commenting on Kenny Devomax Farquharson’s tweet:

    “including Labour.
    Scot Lab spent/wasted last decade most time energy attacking Nats & then predominantly Labour's left (soc dems like Leonard & Corbyn) giving Tories clear run”

    Pia was media advisor & communications director for the Labour Party at the Scottish Parliament (2008-12) and special advisor to both Wendy Alexander and Iain Gray. He worked with the office of then Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling.

    Very instructive to see such a key SLab figure now saying that SLab “wasted a decade” attacking the SNP and thereby giving Tories a clear run.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,380
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    More than 200,000 adults have received a first vaccination in Newham (57%). Second dose just under 39%. Painfully slow progress - 344 first doses and 834 second yesterday.

    Positive tests moving up but still well below the national average.

    On my travels for work again today - the Underground remains quiet. Coming back through Bank just after 5, you'd expect a torrent of people in the streets and heading into Bank station - nothing like that. a trickle at best.

    Notions of people returning to offices still very wide of the mark on my anecdotal evidence. Trains also very quiet part from leisure travellers.

    Firms seem to be leaving it until September to sort out.
    Yes, but the evidence I'm hearing is few will "demand" a full return of all staff five days per week even then.

    The "hybrid" pattern of 2-3 days per week seems to be in vogue though some forms have decided to eschew office working completely in the future.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,519
    MrEd said:

    On topic, I would be cautious at assuming Trump in 2022 will be as much a force as in 2018.

    TDS was at its height in 2018, with allegations over Russia and his never-ending commentary from the Presidency. I don't think he has the same galvanising force as he did in 2018 for the opposition (hardcore Democrats / anti-Trump haters yes, less bothered voters no).

    Also, mid-terms are about turnout. Trump may galvanise the parts other Republicans cannot reach whereas Democrats may struggle to maintain enthusiasm. Uncle Joe's ratings are heading down and the picture does not look too rosy over the next 12 months.

    Virginia will be an interesting one here, especially given the firestorm over CRT in schools. If McAuliffe scrapes a narrow victory or even loses (and he's not far ahead at this stage), it suggests the strategy of tying Republicans to Trump has faded appeal.

    Well I hate him as much as ever so if I'm typical ...
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