Senior Labour figures believe the party has only a 5% to 10% chance of holding the West Yorkshire seat of Batley and Spen in Thursday’s byelection, as Keir Starmer’s team brace themselves for a backbench revolt if the Tories take the seat.
Not blowing my own trumpet since I might well be quite wrong, but what I've effectively been saying for weeks is that (a) Labour will probably lose but it's not going to be a huge margin and (b) Galloway has been talked up to a ridiculous extent and will get under 10%. Something like the Survation poll (47/41/6 IIRC) is quite a likely outcome, and that's close enough to give a 5-10% chance of winning on the day - differential turnout, last-minute shifts, better organisation, etc.
The Ladbrokes bet on Labour doing better than Galloway was free money at 1-4, and is IMO still free money at the current 1-8 - a 10% return in 24 hours, after all. It ought to be at least 1-50.
Yes, I think Galloway has ridden to the rescue of SKS. Labour's probable defeat* will be blamed on GG rather than SKS. If it had been a straight Lab/Con fight and loss it would have been much tougher to spin.
*with no local knowledge It does seem that the Tory profile is so low to be invisible. It isn't impossible that Lab win by a low Tory turnout and Galloways mob being outsiders with vocal but not local support.
The actual advice to fans from the @scotgov was this. Something very different. Big mistake. “I urge all football fans to plan in advance how you are going to enjoy the tournament and only travel to London for 18 June if you have a ticket or a safe place to watch the match from.”
Nicola Sturgeon said: "We were very explicit in saying to fans who didn't have tickets for Wembley, not to travel."
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Do you not think it's a bit cheeky to take their money and then lecture them about how evil they are?
There's a certain class of Liberal to whom that sort of thing is just catnip. It demonstrates their inner virtue and awareness. Not so sure that I would want it inflicted on my kids though. With @Charles on that one.
Absolutely, and in a way it makes sense. These kids are unlikely to ever need to do a proper job so in some ways it's more important to teach them in a way that allows them to fit in with whatever the prevailing culture of the day is.
The chief medical adviser has warned ministers of a challenging winter but said that England is on course to ease restrictions on July 19.
Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment.
The chief medical officer for England said that summer was the time to ease as many restrictions as possible, provided there was not a rise in Covid-19 patients in hospitals, and that winter would be harder because the virus spread more when people were indoors.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
No-one says that other forms of privilege don't exist, and obviously class privilege is very strong indeed, particularly at ASL.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
We pulled her out because they weren’t teaching her.
For example: she was told to write about someone who inspired her so write about Alfred the Great. The teacher criticised her saying she should write about someone in the High School and praise their community work instead.
He was a lousy cook, allegedly.
My daughter insists that’s an allegory - he wasn’t paying attention when he was supposed to be watching over Wessex so the Vikings came and burnt it
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
Senior Labour figures believe the party has only a 5% to 10% chance of holding the West Yorkshire seat of Batley and Spen in Thursday’s byelection, as Keir Starmer’s team brace themselves for a backbench revolt if the Tories take the seat.
Not blowing my own trumpet since I might well be quite wrong, but what I've effectively been saying for weeks is that (a) Labour will probably lose but it's not going to be a huge margin and (b) Galloway has been talked up to a ridiculous extent and will get under 10%. Something like the Survation poll (47/41/6 IIRC) is quite a likely outcome, and that's close enough to give a 5-10% chance of winning on the day - differential turnout, last-minute shifts, better organisation, etc.
The Ladbrokes bet on Labour doing better than Galloway was free money at 1-4, and is IMO still free money at the current 1-8 - a 10% return in 24 hours, after all. It ought to be at least 1-50.
It would help if Labour understood free enterprise and franchised out its by election campaigns to the Lib Dems.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
We pulled her out because they weren’t teaching her.
For example: she was told to write about someone who inspired her so write about Alfred the Great. The teacher criticised her saying she should write about someone in the High School and praise their community work instead.
He was a lousy cook, allegedly.
My daughter insists that’s an allegory - he wasn’t paying attention when he was supposed to be watching over Wessex so the Vikings came and burnt it
So you're say that instead of a a screw up by a rich white man ruining something for the working class, it was really about immigrants doing bad stuff?
Senior Labour figures believe the party has only a 5% to 10% chance of holding the West Yorkshire seat of Batley and Spen in Thursday’s byelection, as Keir Starmer’s team brace themselves for a backbench revolt if the Tories take the seat.
Not blowing my own trumpet since I might well be quite wrong, but what I've effectively been saying for weeks is that (a) Labour will probably lose but it's not going to be a huge margin and (b) Galloway has been talked up to a ridiculous extent and will get under 10%. Something like the Survation poll (47/41/6 IIRC) is quite a likely outcome, and that's close enough to give a 5-10% chance of winning on the day - differential turnout, last-minute shifts, better organisation, etc.
The Ladbrokes bet on Labour doing better than Galloway was free money at 1-4, and is IMO still free money at the current 1-8 - a 10% return in 24 hours, after all. It ought to be at least 1-50.
Yes, I think Galloway has ridden to the rescue of SKS. Labour's probable defeat* will be blamed on GG rather than SKS. If it had been a straight Lab/Con fight and loss it would have been much tougher to spin.
*with no local knowledge It does seem that the Tory profile is so low to be invisible. It isn't impossible that Lab win by a low Tory turnout and Galloways mob being outsiders with vocal but not local support.
Assuming Labour have lost B&S, then the blame lies with SKS.
The Hartlepool MP had to go. The mistake there was Corbyn's. SKS inherited the problem.
Mike Hill in Hartlepool should not have been permitted to stand in GE 2019, given the allegations. In the NE constituency of Jarrow, the then Labour MP Stephen Hepburn was not allowed to stand in GE 2019 for not unrelated reasons. (What is it with these NE elderly male Labour MPs and their sex drives?)
But, B&S was a completely unnecessary by-election. When Tracy Brabin first mooted the idea of standing in the Mayoralty, she should have been told that she had been elected in 2019 to serve the full term as MP for B&S.
So, no, you can't stand as Mayor -- let the opportunity go to someone else.
If Brabin wanted to be Mayor, she should have stood down in 2019.
So, if indeed Labour have lost B&S, then it is SKS's fault. It is really poor politics to have allowed this.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to join The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
At what point does a party say it doesn't want votes from a certain demographic and stands tall when people ask them why?
I don't think I want Labour going after Palestinian obsessed, anti-LGBT people, that's not the kind of Labour Party I want to vote for. And I think they should get away from these issues.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
The middle class are very happy to take on all the other prejudices in the world such as against women, LGBTQ+, people of colour etc but are very happy to ignore, and indeed (in many cases) promote, class prejudice. Funnily enough, tackling class prejudice properly and taking concrete actions would have the real potential to hurt their interests, unlike all the others.
At what point does a party say it doesn't want votes from a certain demographic and stands tall when people ask them why?
I don't think I want Labour going after Palestinian obsessed, anti-LGBT people, that's not the kind of Labour Party I want to vote for. And I think they should get away from these issues.
That's a lot of voters Labour will give up in what are now inner city strongholds.
I am sure Scott, with your completely impartial view on the merits of Brexit, that you have particular insight into what those that voted for it wanted. You may, however, want to check some of the more recent polling.
Again, I am looking at all of the advocates for Brexit who are now publicly whining about how badly it turned out for them
Looking at an inconsequential number of squeaky wheel interest groups publicly whining while ignoring those who are literally a silent majority who are happy with how its going and think it is going well.
Those of us whose businesses were damaged by that pointless piece of con-artistry don't take well to being told we are squeaky wheel interest groups, particularly when the person opining this piece of shite is a lazy-arsed keyboard warrior who seems to do no work and has knowledge and experience on the square root of fuck all. IOW, Philip, either go and set up a business, get a job, or shut the fuck up.
Watching a Telegraph piece on YouTube about Bately and Spen
A Muslim says to camera "Starmer lost Muslim votes when he said Israel had a right to defend itself"
"to defend itself" .......
How can Labour keep its disparate wings together ....
Labour have taken its BAME voters for granted, and part of that issue is not engaging with (as an example) the British Pakistani communities that such attitudes are not acceptable. The other observations that get hurled as abuse of Labour like voter fraud often come out of practices such as a family patriarch voting for the whole family.
Anti-semitism is the acceptable form of racism apparently. We need to stamp it out wherever it comes from, and that means Labour expelling the anti-semites still riddling their ranks and telling certain BAME voters that their views are reprehensible.
Better for Labour to have told it straight to this group of voters and lose with dignity than crawl in Galloway's gutter and still lose.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
I think it's fantastic that ASL teach their pupils about privilege of any kind, including race, class, sex, etc.
These people are likely to become influencers and important (or as we must come to call them, quarantine evaders) in future.
Going to a school which doesn't include this on the syllabus is a missed opportunity.
It would be left to the parents to impress upon their children their privileged status. Sadly, I don't think that every such parent will be as diligent in explaining this to their children as @Charles of course will be.
At what point does a party say it doesn't want votes from a certain demographic and stands tall when people ask them why?
I don't think I want Labour going after Palestinian obsessed, anti-LGBT people, that's not the kind of Labour Party I want to vote for. And I think they should get away from these issues.
To be fair, they are trying to! It is Galloways mob that are constantly banging on about it.
Labour should appeal to the voters over the same social and economic issues to all communities. It might help to have some policies other than: "same as the Tories except with a face like a slapped arse".
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
Why do you think the taxpayer should feed children instead of their parents?
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
I don't have the figures immediately to hand, but I believe the proportion of pupils from ethnic minorites at private schools is similar to the proportion at State schools.
Watching a Telegraph piece on YouTube about Bately and Spen
A Muslim says to camera "Starmer lost Muslim votes when he said Israel had a right to defend itself"
"to defend itself" .......
How can Labour keep its disparate wings together ....
Labour have taken its BAME voters for granted, and part of that issue is not engaging with (as an example) the British Pakistani communities that such attitudes are not acceptable. The other observations that get hurled as abuse of Labour like voter fraud often come out of practices such as a family patriarch voting for the whole family.
Anti-semitism is the acceptable form of racism apparently. We need to stamp it out wherever it comes from, and that means Labour expelling the anti-semites still riddling their ranks and telling certain BAME voters that their views are reprehensible.
Better for Labour to have told it straight to this group of voters and lose with dignity than crawl in Galloway's gutter and still lose.
The problem comes when the values hit the rock of "Must not criticise *other* cultures"
All cultures in the world have shit stuff in them. You can either embrace the glorious* whole, or make a stand.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
The middle class are very happy to take on all the other prejudices in the world such as against women, LGBTQ+, people of colour etc but are very happy to ignore, and indeed (in many cases) promote, class prejudice. Funnily enough, tackling class prejudice properly and taking concrete actions would have the real potential to hurt their interests, unlike all the others.
Yep which is why I detest the term "middle class" and all it stands for. If you have to get out of bed in a morning to pay your bills you are working class. If other people get out of bed in a morning to pay your bills then you're the monied class. Middle class gets promoted heavily by the monied to have the workers fighting against each other as a distraction.
For a remainer, you seem to know an awful lot about what leavers voted for.
I read the news.
The DUP voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Fishermen voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Farmers voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Pub owners voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Rock stars voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
There comes a point when everybody realises they got shafted by BoZo and chums. An 80 seat collapse is not unlikely at that point
Yes it is. Despite everything else posted above it, it would take a cataclysm to prompt anger about all of this to translate into a Labour win. I just can't see it with serkeir as he's painfully crap, nor with the likely replacements if he gets resigned like Angela Raynor.
I think there is decent value in predicting the next election will have two different leaders, but it will still be a Blue win. Liar is ever closer to the rocks where one more "whoops" moment brings down sufficient fury for the grandees to suggest he retires to spend more time making money and having affairs.
He'll get replaced with Sunak or Hunt or whoever, they will bring back serious government, it will get boring and austere again and people will swing back to shouting at Labour for not offering any alternatives. It'll be a smaller Blue win but its still a win.
When Johnson falls, and all political careers end in failure, it will be brutal. I don't think though that the Tories can just shape-shifting back to a normal party. The problem will be like the post Trump Republicans. A lot of the new voters are Pro -Johnson rather than pro Tory, and a lot of the others don't recognise their party any more.
I disagree with this idea. Johnson whilst creative with the truth is in the normal spectrum for politicians. I think the main driver for his behaviour and premiership was Corbyn in 2017. Corbyn promised everything to everyone whilst the Tories tried to address the problems of Social Care. People have said that the Boris nicked their policies in 2019, but more seriously I think Boris saw the opportunity that Corbyn gave. Corbyn didn't win with completely financially illiterate plans in 17 so was clearly going to double down. That allowed Boris to spend and still be the same option in 2019 - I doubt a financially shackled premiership would have been attractive to Boris.
Wow, I wonder what the view from a more sensible evenhanded newspaper would be? Thoses fees were very stiff, Charles, At least twice as much as at my local indie school which is competent and high achieving.
Yes. £32,650 a year and you still have to take the little darlings home at night and feed them! Beyond that, racially-segregated after school clubs sounds worrying but is that widespread or just spin? Most of the Mail's detailed examples seem to come from other schools. Oh for the days when primary schools concentrated on the 3Rs (or the 3Cs at prep schools for poshos).
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
So you object to the notion of white privilege and then give prima facie examples of white privilege. The elite you speak of absolutely exist, I just described them as "the monied". Have a look at what race they are. That doesn't mean that all white people are then privileged - far from it. But they don't suffer the very iniquities you just described. You could have added onto it the justice system's treatment of non-whites.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
She forecast that a 99 year old might pass? Wow. A true seer.
Ha! I saw that. Seems to me that she just identifies events that are likely to happen and makes a value bet on timing.
By the way the classified annexe of the Pentagon report was reportedly accompanied by about 15 videos, described by an attributed source as “like watching sci fi”. Will be interesting to see what reactions we get from senators in coming weeks and months.
Romney said without irony along the lines of “well I do find it hard to believe they’re from outer space but I can sure as hell tell ya they’re not Russian or Chinese!…2 trillion galaxies hmmm yes I’d be very interested if they came from there. But really we have so much more to worry about with global warming and the debt than spending time looking at ufos’”.
I suspect there’s a lot of senior politicians who are not used to spending any time thinking beyond their next fundraiser. They’ve suddenly been presented with a bunch of extraordinary evidence that taken in the round leads to only one logical endpoint. And they don’t know what to think or say about. “Mmmm yes seems UFO’s might be real. But who cares, we gotta keep an eye on that deficit!”
"Like watching Sci-Fi" is about right though. How easy is it to fake stuff these days to get funding...
For a remainer, you seem to know an awful lot about what leavers voted for.
I read the news.
The DUP voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Fishermen voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Farmers voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Pub owners voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Rock stars voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
There comes a point when everybody realises they got shafted by BoZo and chums. An 80 seat collapse is not unlikely at that point
The problem is, all those are very small groups. Do fishermen and farmers added together make 100,000 voters? Rock stars, even fewer. Pub owners, well, there might be 100,000 of them but not concentrated anywhere.
The largest group of Brexiteers appear to be those who voted out to tell the EU and the wealthy elites who benefitted from it to fuck the hell off as a punishment for all their many sins and patronising BS over many years. And however costly and damaging that Brexit has been, that is mission accomplished. Look how furious many remainers in business still are. How bewildered, as well.
And unfortunately the risk is that as long as they continue to obsess about their anger, rather than change their behaviour to deal with the issues, people will continue to vote for Johnson to stick two fingers up.
What was he said? ‘Fuck business?’ Could still resonate among the unemployed of Stoke while he builds shiny new toys for them.
'The largest group of Brexiteers appear to be those who voted out to tell the EU and the wealthy elites who benefitted from it to fuck the hell off as a punishment for all their many sins and patronising BS over many years. And however costly and damaging that Brexit has been, that is mission accomplished. Look how furious many remainers in business still are. How bewildered, as well.'
It will be interesting to see what happens if this largest group - who expect their unicorns and moon on a stick - want to tell the other (probably much more wealthy than the strawman upper-middle classes with their au pairs and holidays in Tuscany conjured up by Big Dom et al) elites who bankrolled Leave and expect to benefit from Brexit, that these expectations aren't being met.
I suspect there's a fair few hangovers across Britain this morning.
Britain ?
Yep. What is the difference between England and Britain if you are English? Which is how Liar gets away with a Brexit deal that literally segments off part of the state. Most UK citizens are English, most don't know (or care) the nuances of what is the UK and the different bits, so fuck it.
Rule Britannia and all that. And by Britannia they mean Engerland.
The reality is that Brexit was always going to have a relatively trivial effect on our economy for good or ill. On a placid lake we might have been able to identify the odd ripple and measure its effect. But we are in the middle of a force 10 hurricane right now and it isn't even background noise. Anyone sensible has so many more important things to worry about.
I have always said that Brexit will be a whimper rather than a bang economically, and that it is highly likely that people will look back and think "what was the point?" as their many grievances continue. Brexit will be a rust, not a bust.
That would be an enormous win for Boris and the Brexiteers. If the economics are meh then the ability to go our own way and hold those making our laws to account will be significant pluses.
Of course it won't solve every problem or even most of them. We still need to live in a world where every state's sovereignty is reined in by agreements, regulations etc and many of the problems blamed on the EU were in fact their response to those pressures which will not have gone away.
Good morning
I believe for every passing day, the introduction of our own laws including on state aid and various new trade deals, the likelihood of us rejoining the EU diminishes
Furthermore, the EU itself is in a poor state, with UVDL being a disaster especially with her vaccine rollout failure
This has been followed with the Merkel - Macron pairing being put back in their box over a summit with Putin and trying to prevent UK holidays makers going to the Mediterranean countries, and the general lack of agreement over many other issues
Merkel and Macron will both be gone next year.
Additionally only the SNP and Plaid will be standing at the next GE on a rejoin platform, so I do believe that those who just cannot be reconciled to Brexit will be in a permanent state of despair
The conservative party do have candidates to replace Boris and as I have said on many occasions , Rishi is my choice and I would be delighted too see him in place sooner rather than later and he is very popular in the country
Labour do not have a realistic alternative to Starmer and are being squeezed by the conservatives and lib dems with nowhere to go it seems
Very depressing if you are a Labour supporter
It can indeed be depressing, but our purpose is clear, things change quickly and it’s a meaningful consolation that we didn’t sell our souls to Boris to hang on to power. It must be nasty to be a conservative Conservative.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
She forecast that a 99 year old might pass? Wow. A true seer.
Ha! I saw that. Seems to me that she just identifies events that are likely to happen and makes a value bet on timing.
By the way the classified annexe of the Pentagon report was reportedly accompanied by about 15 videos, described by an attributed source as “like watching sci fi”. Will be interesting to see what reactions we get from senators in coming weeks and months.
Romney said without irony along the lines of “well I do find it hard to believe they’re from outer space but I can sure as hell tell ya they’re not Russian or Chinese!…2 trillion galaxies hmmm yes I’d be very interested if they came from there. But really we have so much more to worry about with global warming and the debt than spending time looking at ufos’”.
I suspect there’s a lot of senior politicians who are not used to spending any time thinking beyond their next fundraiser. They’ve suddenly been presented with a bunch of extraordinary evidence that taken in the round leads to only one logical endpoint. And they don’t know what to think or say about. “Mmmm yes seems UFO’s might be real. But who cares, we gotta keep an eye on that deficit!”
"Like watching Sci-Fi" is about right though. How easy is it to fake stuff these days to get funding...
Not very. Surely that’s the flaw in your argument? A few grainy satellite photos of a Chinese missile silo or hangar would do the job if you wanted more funding. You don’t need to construct a bizarre bipartisan conspiracy about ultra tech ufo’s.
On thread: another reason Starmer is value is that he is not a toxic coalition partner in the way that Corbyn or even Brown were. There is little danger of a minor party demanding a different leader as a price for coalition.
This problem seems particularly bad in these private schools are by definition a bastion of privelege (see Eton as well). It is really just the replacement of one form of elite ideology with another.
I am not claiming to have any special powers, but I have been alive to this deranged woke cult for many years and saw something like this coming in 2019 when looking for a school for my son. Went around the trendy schools in the rapidly gentrifying part of town where we live and saw the right on extinction rebellion parents and their kids running out of control and just thought no way.
In consequence, we drive our son out to a boring conservative suburban school every day. The parents dress in supermarket clothes and do real jobs and, from what I can tell, don't even know about the concept of white privelege. The headteacher is clearly a very smart guy and he is obviously having absolutely none of the woke cult rubbish.
I try to tell my kids as often as possible that living in this country, and having parents with good jobs mean that they are privileged. We don't have enough money to send them to private school or anything.
What I cannot understand is telling children that they are responsible for behaviour of others a long time ago it is literally wrong, and I encourage my kids to be kind to everyone, and to take responsibility when they themselves do something wrong. I am not sure how this is not the mainstream ideology in the country, what I do know is that my wife's whatsapp uni friends were all talking about their kids gender identity the other day, and my local men's whatsapp were talking about trans exclusionary radical feminists yesterday.
Certainly if the Tories lose their majority in 2024 it will be difficult to see how they stay in power. The LDs, SNP, Greens and Plaid and SDLP would all likely prefer Starmer over Boris and the DUP would likely abstain unless the Irish Sea Border was removed
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
No-one says that other forms of privilege don't exist, and obviously class privilege is very strong indeed, particularly at ASL.
O/T but 49.6C in British Columbia yesterday. Bloody hell
Wow. I’ve only got 42°C, which is colder than average out here.
Now we know where the heat went, hope they’re well set up for it in the North American Pacific.
It is disturbing that you can still read below the line comments every day on most news sites, people calling global warming fake news, or saying it’s a good thing.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
Why do you think the taxpayer should feed children instead of their parents?
Why do you think the government should allow children from poor families to go hungry ?
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
We pulled her out because they weren’t teaching her.
For example: she was told to write about someone who inspired her so write about Alfred the Great. The teacher criticised her saying she should write about someone in the High School and praise their community work instead.
He was a lousy cook, allegedly.
He was the one you see on the Final of Bake Off and don't recall him even being in the show, as he went out in the first round!
I suspect there's a fair few hangovers across Britain this morning.
Britain ?
Yep. What is the difference between England and Britain if you are English? Which is how Liar gets away with a Brexit deal that literally segments off part of the state. Most UK citizens are English, most don't know (or care) the nuances of what is the UK and the different bits, so fuck it.
Rule Britannia and all that. And by Britannia they mean Engerland.
You voted for it after both sides made it clear that Brexit meant leaving the single market...
During a 2001 heatwave it hit 60C in India. I forget the figures but I think at least tens of thousands ended up dead.
Professor Tim Palmer was good on the radio this morning pointing out that it's the combination of heat and humidity that's really deadly. A wet-bulb potential temperature above 35C is fatal to everyone.
Watching a Telegraph piece on YouTube about Bately and Spen
A Muslim says to camera "Starmer lost Muslim votes when he said Israel had a right to defend itself"
"to defend itself" .......
How can Labour keep its disparate wings together ....
Labour have taken its BAME voters for granted, and part of that issue is not engaging with (as an example) the British Pakistani communities that such attitudes are not acceptable. The other observations that get hurled as abuse of Labour like voter fraud often come out of practices such as a family patriarch voting for the whole family.
Anti-semitism is the acceptable form of racism apparently. We need to stamp it out wherever it comes from, and that means Labour expelling the anti-semites still riddling their ranks and telling certain BAME voters that their views are reprehensible.
Better for Labour to have told it straight to this group of voters and lose with dignity than crawl in Galloway's gutter and still lose.
These attitudes are exactly the result of separating the country into 'communities' and attempting to stoke the grievances of each one.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
So you object to the notion of white privilege and then give prima facie examples of white privilege. The elite you speak of absolutely exist, I just described them as "the monied". Have a look at what race they are. That doesn't mean that all white people are then privileged - far from it. But they don't suffer the very iniquities you just described. You could have added onto it the justice system's treatment of non-whites.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
I'd be interested to understand how you think the examples I am providing are evidence of 'white privilege'. They just strike me as examples of structural racism, when looked at objectively - and they need to be addressed.
The reality is that Brexit was always going to have a relatively trivial effect on our economy for good or ill. On a placid lake we might have been able to identify the odd ripple and measure its effect. But we are in the middle of a force 10 hurricane right now and it isn't even background noise. Anyone sensible has so many more important things to worry about.
I have always said that Brexit will be a whimper rather than a bang economically, and that it is highly likely that people will look back and think "what was the point?" as their many grievances continue. Brexit will be a rust, not a bust.
That would be an enormous win for Boris and the Brexiteers. If the economics are meh then the ability to go our own way and hold those making our laws to account will be significant pluses.
Of course it won't solve every problem or even most of them. We still need to live in a world where every state's sovereignty is reined in by agreements, regulations etc and many of the problems blamed on the EU were in fact their response to those pressures which will not have gone away.
Good morning
I believe for every passing day, the introduction of our own laws including on state aid and various new trade deals, the likelihood of us rejoining the EU diminishes
Furthermore, the EU itself is in a poor state, with UVDL being a disaster especially with her vaccine rollout failure
This has been followed with the Merkel - Macron pairing being put back in their box over a summit with Putin and trying to prevent UK holidays makers going to the Mediterranean countries, and the general lack of agreement over many other issues
Merkel and Macron will both be gone next year.
Additionally only the SNP and Plaid will be standing at the next GE on a rejoin platform, so I do believe that those who just cannot be reconciled to Brexit will be in a permanent state of despair
The conservative party do have candidates to replace Boris and as I have said on many occasions , Rishi is my choice and I would be delighted too see him in place sooner rather than later and he is very popular in the country
Labour do not have a realistic alternative to Starmer and are being squeezed by the conservatives and lib dems with nowhere to go it seems
Very depressing if you are a Labour supporter
It can indeed be depressing, but our purpose is clear, things change quickly and it’s a meaningful consolation that we didn’t sell our souls to Boris to hang on to power. It must be nasty to be a conservative Conservative.
It is indeed. Labour did sell it's soul to Corbyn and that is one of the reasons it is still where it is today. When Johnson lied his way to becoming leader of the Conservative Party (INO), Corbyn was LoTO and the children had taken over both main sweetshops. Starmer is more of a grown up, but he is finding it hard to get a hearing when all the kids still like lots of free sweeties
For a remainer, you seem to know an awful lot about what leavers voted for.
I read the news.
The DUP voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Fishermen voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Farmers voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Pub owners voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Rock stars voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
There comes a point when everybody realises they got shafted by BoZo and chums. An 80 seat collapse is not unlikely at that point
DUP - irrelevant Fisherman - 0.0000001% of GDP, so what, a few 1,000 votes? Farmers - same Pub owners - maybe COVID is a bit more of an issue right now... Rock stars -
My step brother is enjoying his 5£ an hour pay rise and increase in working hours from 4 days a week to 5 so I think he got the brexit he voted for and is happily driving his lorry
Watching a Telegraph piece on YouTube about Bately and Spen
A Muslim says to camera "Starmer lost Muslim votes when he said Israel had a right to defend itself"
"to defend itself" .......
How can Labour keep its disparate wings together ....
Labour have taken its BAME voters for granted, and part of that issue is not engaging with (as an example) the British Pakistani communities that such attitudes are not acceptable. The other observations that get hurled as abuse of Labour like voter fraud often come out of practices such as a family patriarch voting for the whole family.
Anti-semitism is the acceptable form of racism apparently. We need to stamp it out wherever it comes from, and that means Labour expelling the anti-semites still riddling their ranks and telling certain BAME voters that their views are reprehensible.
Better for Labour to have told it straight to this group of voters and lose with dignity than crawl in Galloway's gutter and still lose.
These attitudes are exactly the result of separating the country into 'communities' and attempting to stoke the grievances of each one.
Yes, and that is what the Brexiteers have done, the most toxic form of Identity Politics in the history of the land.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
So you object to the notion of white privilege and then give prima facie examples of white privilege. The elite you speak of absolutely exist, I just described them as "the monied". Have a look at what race they are. That doesn't mean that all white people are then privileged - far from it. But they don't suffer the very iniquities you just described. You could have added onto it the justice system's treatment of non-whites.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
This is probably as good a description of critical race theory as any other. Why it has anyone particularly scared or outraged is something of a puzzle to me.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/milley-critical-race-theory-marxism-racism-fox-news/619308/ At that time critical race theory, a line of scholarship that identifies ways that racism has shaped institutions, was a phenomenon confined to obscure legal journals, and we didn’t read Pride and Prejudice or anything else from that perspective. But similar ideas had been floating around for decades. Famously, the critic Edward Said argued in a 1993 essay titled “Jane Austen and Empire” that what was not said about slavery and colonialism in Austen’s novels was highly significant. Austen’s father was a trustee of a sugar plantation in Antigua. That it relied on slave labor helps explain some of her family’s wealth; sugar plantations also explained the wealth of some characters in her novels. And yet they rarely talk about slavery. Being aware of their silence won’t help you understand why Elizabeth finally marries Mr. Darcy or why Mr. Darcy saves Lydia, and it certainly won’t explain the deep appeal of Austen’s novel across time and geography. If the absence of conversation about slavery is the only thing you know about Austen, then your understanding of her books will be severely impoverished. But if you are an Austen scholar, or just an Austen fan, knowing about the unmentioned sugar plantations opens up new ways of thinking about Austen and the world she inhabited. And that, in the end, is the point of scholarship...
It is, of course, of particular salience in the US, where racism shaped the founding documents of their institutions in fundamental ways - but even there it's just one lens among many through which to view things. It's far from irrelevant to the story of Britain, but our history is a great deal more tangled.
She forecast that a 99 year old might pass? Wow. A true seer.
Ha! I saw that. Seems to me that she just identifies events that are likely to happen and makes a value bet on timing.
By the way the classified annexe of the Pentagon report was reportedly accompanied by about 15 videos, described by an attributed source as “like watching sci fi”. Will be interesting to see what reactions we get from senators in coming weeks and months.
Romney said without irony along the lines of “well I do find it hard to believe they’re from outer space but I can sure as hell tell ya they’re not Russian or Chinese!…2 trillion galaxies hmmm yes I’d be very interested if they came from there. But really we have so much more to worry about with global warming and the debt than spending time looking at ufos’”.
I suspect there’s a lot of senior politicians who are not used to spending any time thinking beyond their next fundraiser. They’ve suddenly been presented with a bunch of extraordinary evidence that taken in the round leads to only one logical endpoint. And they don’t know what to think or say about. “Mmmm yes seems UFO’s might be real. But who cares, we gotta keep an eye on that deficit!”
"Like watching Sci-Fi" is about right though. How easy is it to fake stuff these days to get funding...
Not very. Surely that’s the flaw in your argument? A few grainy satellite photos of a Chinese missile silo or hangar would do the job if you wanted more funding. You don’t need to construct a bizarre bipartisan conspiracy about ultra tech ufo’s.
The problem I have is my life long interest in Fortean things, including UFO's. We have gone from the time where a camera needed film to be developed, and it was acceptable to just have one blurry photo of a phenomenon because of the technology. Now across the planet are billions of digital cameras which can take thousands of shots and yet the evidence is just not coming. I've watched some of the videos that you are interested in and I'm not impressed. I've followed previous cases where in it is alleged that visual sightings are backed by radar and so on, and none of them are convincing either. Why are they not releasing these high quality videos? If they are so convincing lets see them.
I think you want this to be true, and so are invested in believing. Fine. I'd love it to be true too, just as I'd love ghosts to be real, and the lock ness monster to be a 66 million year old survivor species, and bigfoot/sasquatch to be roaming the north American woods etc etc etc. As the years go on the evidence gets less and less.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
So you object to the notion of white privilege and then give prima facie examples of white privilege. The elite you speak of absolutely exist, I just described them as "the monied". Have a look at what race they are. That doesn't mean that all white people are then privileged - far from it. But they don't suffer the very iniquities you just described. You could have added onto it the justice system's treatment of non-whites.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
I'd be interested to understand how you think the examples I am providing are evidence of 'white privilege'. They just strike me as examples of structural racism, when looked at objectively - and they need to be addressed.
I would be interested to know the details of the stat being bandied around on the airwaves this morning that 75% of people (children? Only heard it in passing) on remand are black.
Would Stamer be the leader / PM of a coalition of Lib Dem, SNP, Labour and others if that was the result? If Labour have the option of Confidence and Supply with Stamer or more secure coalition with A N Other as PM then he may be ousted between election and limo ride to see Lizzie
The SNP would not be interested in coalition government. We might provide confidence… for a price
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
I couldn't give a f##k whether the teensy tiny minority of people who get into the stratified upper atmosphere are white, Indian, east Asian, or purple unicorns.
They're not representative of all people.
If you're concerned about school budgets then here's an idea to start with: talk about school budgets, not skin colour!
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
This featured in the much derided and since ignored government report into race earlier this year.
“Black” is too wide a generality. Both Indians and Chinese earn more on average than whites. Other groups do less well. Some of the reasons they do afflict our poor whites too. Disrupted families, poor role models, poor housing etc. This is a broader and more general point that certainly needs a lot more attention than it is getting if we are to maximise the potential of our society but my point was much narrower: the cliche that private schools are bastions of white privilege is simply wrong.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
For a remainer, you seem to know an awful lot about what leavers voted for.
I read the news.
The DUP voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Fishermen voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Farmers voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Pub owners voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
Rock stars voted for Brexit, but not this Brexit.
There comes a point when everybody realises they got shafted by BoZo and chums. An 80 seat collapse is not unlikely at that point
DUP - irrelevant Fisherman - 0.0000001% of GDP, so what, a few 1,000 votes? Farmers - same Pub owners - maybe COVID is a bit more of an issue right now... Rock stars -
My step brother is enjoying his 5£ an hour pay rise and increase in working hours from 4 days a week to 5 so I think he got the brexit he voted for and is happily driving his lorry
Is it also because DVLA have massively cocked up with renewing/issuing licences and updating them as well....?
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a ely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
I don't think there's much doubt that if everything else is equal, it is easier to be white than not to be white in a majority-white society.
But, all things rarely are equal. The problem with arguments about "privilege" is that they take little account of individual circumstances.
If you are from an ethnic minority then you are more likely to experience racial discrimination than a white person. It doesn't mean that a white person can't experience it.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
This featured in the much derided and since ignored government report into race earlier this year.
“Black” is too wide a generality. Both Indians and Chinese earn more on average than whites. Other groups do less well. Some of the reasons they do afflict our poor whites too. Disrupted families, poor role models, poor housing etc. This is a broader and more general point that certainly needs a lot more attention than it is getting if we are to maximise the potential of our society but my point was much narrower: the cliche that private schools are bastions of white privilege is simply wrong.
I wonder what happens if you control for British children in private schools.
That's the biggest, shiniest and most expensive toy of all.
And? Are you saying that it’s likely to turn off voters in the north? ‘Vote Labour, the Tories have improved your rail services by freeing up masses of capacity.’
The one that I think will be announced and then abandoned is NPR. Which is a depressing thought because it’s very badly needed.
IMV NPR won't be abandoned - although as NPR hasn't particularly been defined yet, the definition of 'NPR' might be downgraded. Ideally it would see full connectivity with HS2 phase 2, and there have been some noises in that direction.
"Northern Powerhouse Rail" is already under construction. They are extending the power wires southwards to Church Fenton, and they have signed off 4 tracking and a flyover from Huddersfield to Ravensthorpe.
"No no, there was no plan for a high speed line, this is it" say all the new Tories in the area. Whats worse is that so few people know what actual NPR was that people will probably buy it.
Same with the towns fund where red wall Tory MPs are busy announcing that they are all spending the same money. Yes the money doesn't actually exist so very little will be spent. But people are largely disinterested in politics and don't track the details. So they'll vote for the announcement that Good is coming and miss the fact that it hasn't yet arrived.
Don't say they won't, they already have. For Labour. For decades.
NPR has evolved. Okay, I should have been more specific and said 'HS3' instead, but the problem there is that HS3 has morphed into the existing and planned NPR enhancements - as makes sense, because it's best if the enhancements and new lines work together.
Some of the originally-specced NPR projects have been completed. Others are ongoing. But the 'new' NPR is a very different beast.
The reality is that Brexit was always going to have a relatively trivial effect on our economy for good or ill. On a placid lake we might have been able to identify the odd ripple and measure its effect. But we are in the middle of a force 10 hurricane right now and it isn't even background noise. Anyone sensible has so many more important things to worry about.
I have always said that Brexit will be a whimper rather than a bang economically, and that it is highly likely that people will look back and think "what was the point?" as their many grievances continue. Brexit will be a rust, not a bust.
That would be an enormous win for Boris and the Brexiteers. If the economics are meh then the ability to go our own way and hold those making our laws to account will be significant pluses.
Of course it won't solve every problem or even most of them. We still need to live in a world where every state's sovereignty is reined in by agreements, regulations etc and many of the problems blamed on the EU were in fact their response to those pressures which will not have gone away.
Good morning
I believe for every passing day, the introduction of our own laws including on state aid and various new trade deals, the likelihood of us rejoining the EU diminishes
Furthermore, the EU itself is in a poor state, with UVDL being a disaster especially with her vaccine rollout failure
This has been followed with the Merkel - Macron pairing being put back in their box over a summit with Putin and trying to prevent UK holidays makers going to the Mediterranean countries, and the general lack of agreement over many other issues
Merkel and Macron will both be gone next year.
Additionally only the SNP and Plaid will be standing at the next GE on a rejoin platform, so I do believe that those who just cannot be reconciled to Brexit will be in a permanent state of despair
The conservative party do have candidates to replace Boris and as I have said on many occasions , Rishi is my choice and I would be delighted too see him in place sooner rather than later and he is very popular in the country
Labour do not have a realistic alternative to Starmer and are being squeezed by the conservatives and lib dems with nowhere to go it seems
Very depressing if you are a Labour supporter
It can indeed be depressing, but our purpose is clear, things change quickly and it’s a meaningful consolation that we didn’t sell our souls to Boris to hang on to power. It must be nasty to be a conservative Conservative.
I note that nearly all the saner Tories, eg Big G, have now joined The Clown’s Fanclub. All those years they’ve just been puffing hot air. Who’d’ve thunk it?
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Common sense innit?
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
When I was very young, I was somewhat surprised about Malcom X and his attitude towards rich white people trying to joing The Movement.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
My objection to the current anti-racism movement is based on the fact that no one seems to be campaigning against the actual racism that exists in society. For instance, I have pointed out that the Home office still maintain a policy of casually revoking the citizenship rights of black people (and other people of colour who are overwhelmingly descended from immigrants) when they are caught up in the criminal justice system, effectively adding lifetime banishment and exile as an extra punishment to a prison sentence. Another example of rampant racism is that faced by gypsies and travellers.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
So you object to the notion of white privilege and then give prima facie examples of white privilege. The elite you speak of absolutely exist, I just described them as "the monied". Have a look at what race they are. That doesn't mean that all white people are then privileged - far from it. But they don't suffer the very iniquities you just described. You could have added onto it the justice system's treatment of non-whites.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
I'd be interested to understand how you think the examples I am providing are evidence of 'white privilege'. They just strike me as examples of structural racism, when looked at objectively - and they need to be addressed.
So who does the "Structural Racism" privilege benefit?
You may not like the term "White Privilege (I don’t either) but you seem to be able to identify it.
She forecast that a 99 year old might pass? Wow. A true seer.
Ha! I saw that. Seems to me that she just identifies events that are likely to happen and makes a value bet on timing.
By the way the classified annexe of the Pentagon report was reportedly accompanied by about 15 videos, described by an attributed source as “like watching sci fi”. Will be interesting to see what reactions we get from senators in coming weeks and months.
Romney said without irony along the lines of “well I do find it hard to believe they’re from outer space but I can sure as hell tell ya they’re not Russian or Chinese!…2 trillion galaxies hmmm yes I’d be very interested if they came from there. But really we have so much more to worry about with global warming and the debt than spending time looking at ufos’”.
I suspect there’s a lot of senior politicians who are not used to spending any time thinking beyond their next fundraiser. They’ve suddenly been presented with a bunch of extraordinary evidence that taken in the round leads to only one logical endpoint. And they don’t know what to think or say about. “Mmmm yes seems UFO’s might be real. But who cares, we gotta keep an eye on that deficit!”
"Like watching Sci-Fi" is about right though. How easy is it to fake stuff these days to get funding...
Not very. Surely that’s the flaw in your argument? A few grainy satellite photos of a Chinese missile silo or hangar would do the job if you wanted more funding. You don’t need to construct a bizarre bipartisan conspiracy about ultra tech ufo’s.
People do all sorts of things for all sort of silly reasons.
Rewrite the laws of physics vs someone did some silly or unjustifiable stuff ? It remains massively more likely that the sources of all these reports are earthbound.
Have I got this right? You were sending your daughter to the £32k a year (Jeeeesus...) American School London and pulled her out because they were teaching students about white privilege?
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of white privilege to many. Even to those of us who are white who don't have a spare £32k a year for school fees.
Quite the opposite to me Rochdale!
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
I'm not intending to disappear down this particular cul-de-sac and have already posted that class has as much to do with it as race. Its just that most of the people who manage to get into the stratified upper atmosphere of A+++ are white.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
Why do you think the taxpayer should feed children instead of their parents?
Says the chap who can afford £32k pa per child for school fees. Are you against Free School Meals for poor families, Charles? Presumably you are, as that is the taxpayer feeding children instead of their parents.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
This featured in the much derided and since ignored government report into race earlier this year.
“Black” is too wide a generality. Both Indians and Chinese earn more on average than whites. Other groups do less well. Some of the reasons they do afflict our poor whites too. Disrupted families, poor role models, poor housing etc. This is a broader and more general point that certainly needs a lot more attention than it is getting if we are to maximise the potential of our society but my point was much narrower: the cliche that private schools are bastions of white privilege is simply wrong.
I wonder what happens if you control for British children in private schools.
Private schools are more of a bastion of privilege in our society than ever because they have lifted their game at the same time as general standards in education have declined. Don’t dispute that for a second. It’s just not white privilege, at least not anymore.
A lot of private schools cast their net wide for pupils, and elites from other countries, either with or without UK residency are well represented. This from 2012:
This means, in a lot of the industries for which class is one of the primary barriers to entry (e.g. law being one), race is actually easier to address than class, because you have a very good supply of ethnic minority candidates of the 'right' background.
Which is a different thing to considering whether those self same privately educated, class priviliged ethnic minority people still get pulled by the police all the time.
Inherited and unearned privilege and its converse, inherited and unjustifiable disadvantage, whether from class or race or gender or anything else, always needs to be looked at in the round and the most egregious examples picked off first. The need for a Fairness agenda will never go away, and whether it is rebalancing trans rights or the concerns of left behind red wall towns, the ability to run any fairness agenda in an even handed way, to consider all fairness as part of the same overarching mission, and to be widely trusted to do so, should be an absolutely cornerstone of any modern centre-left party. Equal fairness for all.
Senior Labour figures believe the party has only a 5% to 10% chance of holding the West Yorkshire seat of Batley and Spen in Thursday’s byelection, as Keir Starmer’s team brace themselves for a backbench revolt if the Tories take the seat.
Not blowing my own trumpet since I might well be quite wrong, but what I've effectively been saying for weeks is that (a) Labour will probably lose but it's not going to be a huge margin and (b) Galloway has been talked up to a ridiculous extent and will get under 10%. Something like the Survation poll (47/41/6 IIRC) is quite a likely outcome, and that's close enough to give a 5-10% chance of winning on the day - differential turnout, last-minute shifts, better organisation, etc.
The Ladbrokes bet on Labour doing better than Galloway was free money at 1-4, and is IMO still free money at the current 1-8 - a 10% return in 24 hours, after all. It ought to be at least 1-50.
Yes, I think Galloway has ridden to the rescue of SKS. Labour's probable defeat* will be blamed on GG rather than SKS. If it had been a straight Lab/Con fight and loss it would have been much tougher to spin.
*with no local knowledge It does seem that the Tory profile is so low to be invisible. It isn't impossible that Lab win by a low Tory turnout and Galloways mob being outsiders with vocal but not local support.
I expect the Con majority to be greater than the total number of Galloway’s votes. Not sure where SKS can hide if that’s the case.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
Mr. Pioneers, I've heard that non-white people also get to have lots of money. And lots of white people don't have much money.
White privilege is a bloody stupid term.
Of course its a stupid term. It is far more nuanced than that. But it quite evidently is there. As is the other massive divider - class. WWC kids and their parents don't feel white privilege and I absolutely understand why. Then again they can't see it from the other side of the race divide where their kids are far less likely to be harassed by the police, suffer from abuse and discrimination because of the colour of their skin or even their name etc etc.
Where the WWC get discriminated against is class. Posh whitey sending their kids to fee paying schools don't want to spend their money on the WWC. So they vote in MPs who vote against feeding hungry white kids in massively poor areas who then bemoan the poor educational attainment of kids they voted to keep hungry. And then use this as proof that there is no white privilege such as having a spare £32k to spend on school fees per child.
Are such schools exclusively white? Of course not! But look how hard it is for non-white parents to be in that position compared to white parents. It does happen, but in tiny numbers. And when its a tiny percentage of the population in a position to spend that kind of cash on school fees, its a truly tiny percentage of non-whites.
Schools like that cannot pretend they are ordinary, that their students are ordinary. All of them are massively and extraordinarily privileged to a level that most kids can barely conceive of. Teaching them that - and that with privilege comes responsibility - is surely a basic. I do with my kids and their level of privilege is nothing compared to Charles et al
I do have to wonder how much actual experience of these schools you have. My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee. At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city. This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today. The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents. Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Well the evidence is that despite class privilege they don't do as well as their white peers after university.
Education is a great leveling up for ethnic minorities, which the UK appears to do well compared with other nations. However, it would appear that employment is still another matter.
Employment disadvantage of minority ethnic groups still, however, persists. Men and women from most ethnic minority groups have lower employment rates among those economically active than their white majority counterparts. This disadvantage is reduced but not eliminated when we account for disadvantaged family origins. For example, taking account of social class origins, the employment gap for second-generation Pakistani men reduces from around 4 percentage points to around 1 percentage point, and for Pakistani women from around 5 percentage points to around 2 percentage points. This would suggest some of the employment gap is driven by the disadvantages faced by their parents that persist across generations and are reduced but not eliminated by educational success.
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*with no local knowledge It does seem that the Tory profile is so low to be invisible. It isn't impossible that Lab win by a low Tory turnout and Galloways mob being outsiders with vocal but not local support.
Boris has high negatives, as we saw a few days ago, among those who traditionally voted Tory.
Brexit is supported by a bare majority, and maybe not even that. (I think most now agree it was a mistake, even if fewer wish to rejoin).
Moreover, 1/3 of exporters to Europe are reporting either disruption or abandonment of trade.
And don’t forget the Scots and the Northern Irish.
It all adds up.
The actual advice to fans from the @scotgov was this. Something very different. Big mistake.
“I urge all football fans to plan in advance how you are going to enjoy the tournament and only travel to London for 18 June if you have a ticket or a safe place to watch the match from.”
Nicola Sturgeon said: "We were very explicit in saying to fans who didn't have tickets for Wembley, not to travel."
https://twitter.com/brianjaffa/status/1410131486020411392?s=20
£32k a year on school fees might be seen as the literal embodiment of money privilege to many. It has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would not be remotely surprised that many of those able to afford to send their kids to the school would be non-white and the notion that a white kid from Rochdale, or Birkenhead, or Hartlepool etc is "privileged" while a kid going to the ASL school because their parents can afford to pay £32k per year isn't due to their skin colour rather shows what is wrong with this ridiculous idea.
Glad that Charles sees it very differently.
Scientists want us to lock down fo everThe chief medical adviser has warned ministers of a challenging winter but said that England is on course to ease restrictions on July 19.
Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment.
The chief medical officer for England said that summer was the time to ease as many restrictions as possible, provided there was not a rise in Covid-19 patients in hospitals, and that winter would be harder because the virus spread more when people were indoors.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bfcb08f0-d90f-11eb-8f14-0bb645f59db0?shareToken=977fb35bb4edf3c17679c9480bfe9bf7
There is still a race effect though:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/black-graduates-university-race-b1818967.html
Watching a Telegraph piece on YouTube about Bately and Spen
A Muslim says to camera "Starmer lost Muslim votes when he said Israel had a right to defend itself"
"to defend itself" .......
How can Labour keep its disparate wings together ....
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/queensland-tells-under40s-do-not-get-astrazeneca-vaccine/news-story/9968840ca57b15dae0eaf63dd9c0c390
And apparently one state is in lockdown despite having zero known cases.
The more that you look in to critical race theory, which is overwhelmingly the basis for woke ideas, the more it becomes apparent that it is an elite cult which dresses itself up as a movement that seeks social justice. This is in much the same way that democractic socialism (or literal communism!) can dress itself up as moderate social democracy, as it did with Corbyn and McDonnell.
Labour seems to be receiving unfair criticism in B&S for *not* attracting the votes of extremist Muslims.
Meanwhile, one presumes the Tories are hoovering up the votes of extremist “Heavy Woolens” without demur.
OK
The Hartlepool MP had to go. The mistake there was Corbyn's. SKS inherited the problem.
Mike Hill in Hartlepool should not have been permitted to stand in GE 2019, given the allegations. In the NE constituency of Jarrow, the then Labour MP Stephen Hepburn was not allowed to stand in GE 2019 for not unrelated reasons. (What is it with these NE elderly male Labour MPs and their sex drives?)
But, B&S was a completely unnecessary by-election. When Tracy Brabin first mooted the idea of standing in the Mayoralty, she should have been told that she had been elected in 2019 to serve the full term as MP for B&S.
So, no, you can't stand as Mayor -- let the opportunity go to someone else.
If Brabin wanted to be Mayor, she should have stood down in 2019.
So, if indeed Labour have lost B&S, then it is SKS's fault. It is really poor politics to have allowed this.
Then I encountered the kind of people in question - they turn such causes into All About Them.
Reading descriptions of many of the backers of the Bolsheviks in Russia, exactly the same kind of idiots. The Revolution As Therapy.
The real outrage about "white privilege" shouldn't be that it self-evidently is there for a tiny minority, it should be that those people then work very hard to keep the WWC in the gutter.
We saw the ludicrous situation last week of "concerned" Tories unhappy that poor white kids do so badly in school. The same Tories consistently vote to cut schools budgets, cut council services budgets and even not to feed them in the holidays and then wonder why their kids do so badly in school...
I don't think I want Labour going after Palestinian obsessed, anti-LGBT people, that's not the kind of Labour Party I want to vote for. And I think they should get away from these issues.
(Doesn't mean it won't happen of course).
And do you really think that rock stars voted Leave?
Anti-semitism is the acceptable form of racism apparently. We need to stamp it out wherever it comes from, and that means Labour expelling the anti-semites still riddling their ranks and telling certain BAME voters that their views are reprehensible.
Better for Labour to have told it straight to this group of voters and lose with dignity than crawl in Galloway's gutter and still lose.
It suggests to me that this is actually an elite class struggle, with the woke being the aspirational elite using the George Floyds of this world as pawns in their battle for power.
These people are likely to become influencers and important (or as we must come to call them, quarantine evaders) in future.
Going to a school which doesn't include this on the syllabus is a missed opportunity.
It would be left to the parents to impress upon their children their privileged status. Sadly, I don't think that every such parent will be as diligent in explaining this to their children as @Charles of course will be.
Labour should appeal to the voters over the same social and economic issues to all communities. It might help to have some policies other than: "same as the Tories except with a face like a slapped arse".
All cultures in the world have shit stuff in them. You can either embrace the glorious* whole, or make a stand.
*Glorious as in the Goode Olde Days - not very.
I am privileged by the colour of my skin that I won't be treated as a second class citizen by the authorities, or be racially abused in the street, or turned down for a job because of my name etc etc etc. That by itself doesn't make me better off - I have inherited nothing and have worked my arse off. But it does mean that my skin colour isn't an anchor dragging me back as you describe.
During a 2001 heatwave it hit 60C in India. I forget the figures but I think at least tens of thousands ended up dead.
It will be interesting to see what happens if this largest group - who expect their unicorns and moon on a stick - want to tell the other (probably much more wealthy than the strawman upper-middle classes with their au pairs and holidays in Tuscany conjured up by Big Dom et al) elites who bankrolled Leave and expect to benefit from Brexit, that these expectations aren't being met.
Rule Britannia and all that. And by Britannia they mean Engerland.
My kids went to Dundee HS for the last 20 years in total. When my eldest started the school was very white, as, in fairness, was middle class Dundee.
At my sons leaving ceremony last week the majority of his class was white Scots but only just. There is a very large minority of Asians , mainly Indian but a reasonable number of Chinese and fewer Africans. What is significant is that the proportion of both Indians and Chinese is much, much higher than they are in the city.
This seems to reflect 2 things. Firstly, the social economic success of those communities (lots of doctors) and , secondly, societal values that put much greater value on education than many indigenous Scots today.
The result is that the child of an Indian doctor or Chinese scientist is far more likely to be privileged with a decent education than the child of white Scottish parents.
Really don’t see where white privilege comes into this.
Now we know where the heat went, hope they’re well set up for it in the North American Pacific.
What I cannot understand is telling children that they are responsible for behaviour of others a long time ago it is literally wrong, and I encourage my kids to be kind to everyone, and to take responsibility when they themselves do something wrong. I am not sure how this is not the mainstream ideology in the country, what I do know is that my wife's whatsapp uni friends were all talking about their kids gender identity the other day, and my local men's whatsapp were talking about trans exclusionary radical feminists yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48919813
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/black-graduates-university-race-b1818967.html
This featured in the much derided and since ignored government report into race earlier this year.
Numpty.
Empty shelves in Waitrose this morning.
Deliveries massively delayed due to driver shortage...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=football+shirt+ukraine&ref=nb_sb_noss
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/milley-critical-race-theory-marxism-racism-fox-news/619308/
At that time critical race theory, a line of scholarship that identifies ways that racism has shaped institutions, was a phenomenon confined to obscure legal journals, and we didn’t read Pride and Prejudice or anything else from that perspective. But similar ideas had been floating around for decades. Famously, the critic Edward Said argued in a 1993 essay titled “Jane Austen and Empire” that what was not said about slavery and colonialism in Austen’s novels was highly significant. Austen’s father was a trustee of a sugar plantation in Antigua. That it relied on slave labor helps explain some of her family’s wealth; sugar plantations also explained the wealth of some characters in her novels. And yet they rarely talk about slavery. Being aware of their silence won’t help you understand why Elizabeth finally marries Mr. Darcy or why Mr. Darcy saves Lydia, and it certainly won’t explain the deep appeal of Austen’s novel across time and geography. If the absence of conversation about slavery is the only thing you know about Austen, then your understanding of her books will be severely impoverished. But if you are an Austen scholar, or just an Austen fan, knowing about the unmentioned sugar plantations opens up new ways of thinking about Austen and the world she inhabited. And that, in the end, is the point of scholarship...
It is, of course, of particular salience in the US, where racism shaped the founding documents of their institutions in fundamental ways - but even there it's just one lens among many through which to view things.
It's far from irrelevant to the story of Britain, but our history is a great deal more tangled.
Alexa is bleeping out "tits" in the "bluetits" which occurs in the title of this week's episode:
"Delta cases, blue tits and that one-in-two cancer claim More or Less"
I think you want this to be true, and so are invested in believing. Fine. I'd love it to be true too, just as I'd love ghosts to be real, and the lock ness monster to be a 66 million year old survivor species, and bigfoot/sasquatch to be roaming the north American woods etc etc etc. As the years go on the evidence gets less and less.
Indeed there have been 130 sudden deaths in Vancouver since Friday attributed to the heat
They're not representative of all people.
If you're concerned about school budgets then here's an idea to start with: talk about school budgets, not skin colour!
This is a broader and more general point that certainly needs a lot more attention than it is getting if we are to maximise the potential of our society but my point was much narrower: the cliche that private schools are bastions of white privilege is simply wrong.
In IT in the City, at first glance Diversity Heaven. But there are groups who you don't see - WWC and settled West Indian*, for example.
*There are a fairish number of people of African origin - they are almost always 1st/2nd generation immigrants from Africa, though.
Next issue?
But, all things rarely are equal. The problem with arguments about "privilege" is that they take little account of individual circumstances.
If you are from an ethnic minority then you are more likely to experience racial discrimination than a white person. It doesn't mean that a white person can't experience it.
Some of the originally-specced NPR projects have been completed. Others are ongoing. But the 'new' NPR is a very different beast.
For instance, Transport for North only finally agreed the outline for what is now NPR.
https://transportforthenorth.com/press-release/leaders-agree-final-northern-powerhouse-rail-plan/
I don't know why people complain about the Scots supporting England's opponents. If they didn't I would be denied such moments of joy.
You may not like the term "White Privilege (I don’t either) but you seem to be able to identify it.
Rewrite the laws of physics vs someone did some silly or unjustifiable stuff ?
It remains massively more likely that the sources of all these reports are earthbound.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17823860
This means, in a lot of the industries for which class is one of the primary barriers to entry (e.g. law being one), race is actually easier to address than class, because you have a very good supply of ethnic minority candidates of the 'right' background.
Which is a different thing to considering whether those self same privately educated, class priviliged ethnic minority people still get pulled by the police all the time.
Inherited and unearned privilege and its converse, inherited and unjustifiable disadvantage, whether from class or race or gender or anything else, always needs to be looked at in the round and the most egregious examples picked off first. The need for a Fairness agenda will never go away, and whether it is rebalancing trans rights or the concerns of left behind red wall towns, the ability to run any fairness agenda in an even handed way, to consider all fairness as part of the same overarching mission, and to be widely trusted to do so, should be an absolutely cornerstone of any modern centre-left party. Equal fairness for all.
Education is a great leveling up for ethnic minorities, which the UK appears to do well compared with other nations. However, it would appear that employment is still another matter.
Employment disadvantage of minority ethnic groups still, however, persists. Men and women from most ethnic minority groups have lower employment rates among those economically active than their white majority counterparts. This disadvantage is reduced but not eliminated when we account for disadvantaged family origins. For example, taking account of social class origins, the employment gap for second-generation Pakistani men reduces from around 4 percentage points to around 1 percentage point, and for Pakistani women from around 5 percentage points to around 2 percentage points. This would suggest some of the employment gap is driven by the disadvantages faced by their parents that persist across generations and are reduced but not eliminated by educational success.