On the betting markets punters make it a 67% chance that Hancock will still be in his job on July 1
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Denmark 2-0
Wales deserve to lose.
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We love you Denmark.0
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They think it's all over, with 40 minutes to go.0
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But it should have relatively little effect among the middle aged and oldies.MaxPB said:
NIMS data is, IMO, too unreliable to be making comparisons to the national figures which are ONS numbers.BigRich said:
Interesting, it seems that each age group in Cambridge, is behind the UK national average, only a % or 2 for the very oldest, but significantly for the middle age, 50 -54 Year olds, its 76.86% to 85.28%another_richard said:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=ltla&areaName=Cambridgepm215 said:
Cambridge has some similarly depressing figures. I would really like to see per-area graphs of vaccine takeup over time by agegroup, so you could see how much was "lots of younger people here who were only elegible recently" and how much was "curve flattens out at a level below the national average for the agegroup".stodge said:I'm indebted to @another_richard for pointing out the daily vaccination dashboard and some sobering numbers.
In England, 83.5% of adults have had the first vaccination, 61.3% have had both.
In Newham, 52% of adults have had the first vaccination, 30% have had both.
NIMS overestimates the population by 5-15% all over the country because people move around, students especially so and Cambridge is a student city.
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How to be gorgeous in B&S
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Yeah Hancock is done.
Matt Hancock faces an investigation after using a personal email account instead of an official address during the pandemic in a breach of government guidelines.
Since March last year the health secretary has routinely used a private account to conduct government business, concealing information from his own officials and potentially the public, according to documents obtained by The Sunday Times.
It means that the government does not hold records of much of Hancock’s decision-making, including negotiating multi-million pound PPE contracts, setting up the £37 billion Test and Trace programme and overseeing the government’s care homes strategy.
The disclosure of Hancock’s secret account appears in minutes of a meeting between senior officials at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) in December.
Cabinet Office guidance states that ministers should use official email in order to ensure that there is evidence of important decisions and proper internal scrutiny.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-used-private-email-address-to-do-government-business-nrkrgss2t0 -
That would be a dramatic change in approach for him.borisatsun said:How to be gorgeous in B&S
It’s not as though he’s ever bothered to represent his constituents before.2 -
The moral vacuum that is George Galloway objecting to children being taught in a moral vacuum.borisatsun said:How to be gorgeous in B&S
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How the feck is George Galloway using the honorific Honourable?
Is he the younger son of an Earl or maybe the son of a Viscount or Baron?2 -
I’m just surprised to learn he knows who his children are and where they’re being taught.SandraMc said:
The moral vacuum that is George Galloway objecting to children being taught in a moral vacuum.borisatsun said:How to be gorgeous in B&S
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HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.2
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It appears the EU may be lifting the ban on animal proteins being used in animal feed.0
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As manager of Wales?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Thank goodness for thatTheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Hancock has failed to achieve re-erection?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Hunt for Health?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Text from a friend who would know.ping said:
Sauce?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Hancock resignation letter: https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1408836281908350976/photo/10
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Thank heaven for that. Just an utter prize pillock. Thanks and goodbye, please don't stay in touch.Scott_xP said:0 -
Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.0 -
What a weaselly, self serving letter.
Typical of the man, but still bullshit.0 -
Surprised at the timing.
Should have gone either yesterday morning, or in a future reshuffle.
Boris isn’t very good at this politics thingy0 -
Resigns before Sunday's deluge of shit eh?1
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Opinion poll results must have been received.TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
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Will pile in on Wancock to stay when the market overreacts to this. He won't resign and Boris won't sack him over any kind of malfeasance. The only thing Boris will sack him for is disloyalty. When Dom started taking aim at Carrie he was sacked, the whole eye test saga was simply ignored as long as Dom stayed loyal.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah Hancock is done.
Matt Hancock faces an investigation after using a personal email account instead of an official address during the pandemic in a breach of government guidelines.
Since March last year the health secretary has routinely used a private account to conduct government business, concealing information from his own officials and potentially the public, according to documents obtained by The Sunday Times.
It means that the government does not hold records of much of Hancock’s decision-making, including negotiating multi-million pound PPE contracts, setting up the £37 billion Test and Trace programme and overseeing the government’s care homes strategy.
The disclosure of Hancock’s secret account appears in minutes of a meeting between senior officials at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) in December.
Cabinet Office guidance states that ministers should use official email in order to ensure that there is evidence of important decisions and proper internal scrutiny.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-used-private-email-address-to-do-government-business-nrkrgss2t
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More likely a useless one, on past form.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
His successor will be an interesting appointment
If Johnson dare not recall Hunt, might he take the opportunity to bring Javid back instead?
Unlikely but would be better than most alternatives.0 -
I did a conhome poll todaydixiedean said:
Opinion poll results must have been received.TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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LolMaxPB said:
Will pile in on Wancock to stay when the market overreacts to this. He won't resign and Boris won't sack him over any kind of malfeasance. The only thing Boris will sack him for is disloyalty. When Dom started taking aim at Carrie he was sacked, the whole eye test saga was simply ignored as long as Dom stayed loyal.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah Hancock is done.
Matt Hancock faces an investigation after using a personal email account instead of an official address during the pandemic in a breach of government guidelines.
Since March last year the health secretary has routinely used a private account to conduct government business, concealing information from his own officials and potentially the public, according to documents obtained by The Sunday Times.
It means that the government does not hold records of much of Hancock’s decision-making, including negotiating multi-million pound PPE contracts, setting up the £37 billion Test and Trace programme and overseeing the government’s care homes strategy.
The disclosure of Hancock’s secret account appears in minutes of a meeting between senior officials at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) in December.
Cabinet Office guidance states that ministers should use official email in order to ensure that there is evidence of important decisions and proper internal scrutiny.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-used-private-email-address-to-do-government-business-nrkrgss2t
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Not sure Boris asked for this - may have been Hancock's decision, who is rather better at politics than Johnson - rehabilitation on the back benches may yet see him return to front line politics.ping said:Surprised at the timing.
Should have gone either yesterday morning, or in a future reshuffle.
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Does this mean there was more to come tomorrow?
Must do really.0 -
Not the most inspiring appointment but I'd support it.Fenman said:
Hunt for Health?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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Please not Williamsonydoethur said:
More likely a useless one, on past form.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
His successor will be an interesting appointment
If Johnson dare not recall Hunt, might he take the opportunity to bring Javid back instead?
Unlikely but would be better than most alternatives.1 -
About time. How did they think he could get away with it?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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So that he can become the new Spurs manager?TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
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The speculation I'm hearing is Edward Argar as Health Secretary.
Kinda makes sense.0 -
Interesting he writes that he "needs to be with his children" - no mention of "wife":
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Do I get an award for worst timed post ever on PB?12
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Homophobia and antisemitism are in the mix but to assume that these things are what most Muslims prioritize over and above a pro Palestine position and a seriousness about countering Islamophobia is (for me) indicative of anti Muslim prejudice.OllyT said:
However you choose to try and dress it up anti-semitism and homophobia are right at the heart of the reasons muslims are switching to Galloway. It really is about time that Labour stopped pussy-footing around those issues and told muslims that hold those views to do one. It's one of the reasons I let my membership lapse when Corbyn became leader. You are deluding yourself Kinabalu, I witnessed it my own CLPkinabalu said:
If Labour lose Batley due to a big Muslim vote for George Galloway it won't be fair or valid to attribute it to homophobia. The fact is, Galloway has strong appeal to Muslims here - has twice won a seat off the back of this - and it's in large part due to his long and loud campaigning for Palestine. And it's also a fact that Labour under Starmer is not as overtly pro-Palestine as it was under Corbyn. Plus there's been far more focus on antisemitism under Starmer than on islamophobia. These are all reasons why Muslims might desert the party and lodge a by-election protest vote for GG. Anybody who ignores this and instead homes in purely on Muslim homophobia (and/or antisemitism) as the reason for the result will be showing a bit of islamophobic leg.MrEd said:
For me, one of the most interesting longer-term consequences of this by-election is how it may change the metropolitan middle class left’s view of the Muslim community. For most of the former, dealings with the latter tend to be superficial limited ones, usually in a service capacity and accompanied by the frequent comment “I had a nice Muslim Uber driver / delivery man / corner shop owner.” Certainly in the woker parts of North London, there are very few Muslim residents (that obviously changes as you get to gentrifying areas). The issue of different cultural values doesn’t really touch them on a day to day basis.Pulpstar said:
Doubt that, there's a teacher who fears for his life because of these goons.Taz said:
Why was it though?Pulpstar said:The confrontation Ledbetter got yesterday was a disgrace, and if Starmer had anything about him he'd be out supporting Leadbetter in BS perhaps even knocking a few doors for her.
He's been quiet about it if he has supported her
She was challenged in the street by someone. Something that will happen to politicians across the divide in all elections. An experienced, or savvy, campaigner would be able to shut it down quite Easily.
She showed her inexperience and lack of political nous.
I haven't seen anyone "shut them down" because the chief rabble rousers are surrounded by like minded homophobes egging them on.
Most politicians just avoid them in the first place, perhaps that was her error expecting any sort of rational debate from the cretins.
However, if Kim Leadbitter, a white middle class lesbian professional from a public service occupation, the type of person that the metropolitan class can easily identify with, gets defeated in large part due to a homophobic religiously-driven campaign, that may change the perception of just how friendly the Muslim community really is2 -
The Cock's out!1
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The report is here:ydoethur said:Oh my goodness.
This is horrendous.
Florida building collapse: Report from 2018 warned of 'major damage'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57621774
If 50% of that report is accurate then we’re surely talking possible third degree homicide charges.
https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---structural-field-survey-report.pdf?sfvrsn=882a1194_2
The last line is: "We look forward to working with you in maintaining the structural integrity of the Champlain Towers South Condominium." (emphasis mine) It sort of indicates that the structural integrity was in doubt - 2/3 tears ago ...
There are lots of other interesting documents at the link below. In particular, there are detailed plans for the works (dated April tis year), including repairs to columns and floor soffits (undersides). In some cases, parts of entire columns/walls are to be replaced. The sort of thing that makes me wish I was better at reading structural diagrams ...
https://townofsurfsidefl.gov/departments-services/town-clerk/champlain-towers-public-records-documents0 -
Yes, you win the 2021 PB Rogerdamus Award.MaxPB said:Do I get an award for worst timed post ever on PB?
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Does this mean Hunt returns?0
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Roger said:
Very telling that five people liked your post. You are a self confessed fan of Enoch Powell and must be only a handful of people in the UK who didn't find anything distasteful in his Rivers of Blood speech. It's possible that the five 'likers' didn't have a long enough post to judge you but it's equally likely that when you pull back the rock those five are what comes crawlng out.isam said:
They will never, ever admit they were wrong. It would be tantamount to admitting multiculturalism doesn't work. How could they then answer the questions about terrorism and grooming gangs that would follow?MrEd said:
For me, one of the most interesting longer-term consequences of this by-election is how it may change the metropolitan middle class left’s view of the Muslim community. For most of the former, dealings with the latter tend to be superficial limited ones, usually in a service capacity and accompanied by the frequent comment “I had a nice Muslim Uber driver / delivery man / corner shop owner.” Certainly in the woker parts of North London, there are very few Muslim residents (that obviously changes as you get to gentrifying areas). The issue of different cultural values doesn’t really touch them on a day to day basis.Pulpstar said:
Doubt that, there's a teacher who fears for his life because of these goons.Taz said:
Why was it though?Pulpstar said:The confrontation Ledbetter got yesterday was a disgrace, and if Starmer had anything about him he'd be out supporting Leadbetter in BS perhaps even knocking a few doors for her.
He's been quiet about it if he has supported her
She was challenged in the street by someone. Something that will happen to politicians across the divide in all elections. An experienced, or savvy, campaigner would be able to shut it down quite Easily.
She showed her inexperience and lack of political nous.
I haven't seen anyone "shut them down" because the chief rabble rousers are surrounded by like minded homophobes egging them on.
Most politicians just avoid them in the first place, perhaps that was her error expecting any sort of rational debate from the cretins.
However, if Kim Leadbitter, a white middle class lesbian professional from a public service occupation, the type of person that the metropolitan class can easily identify with, gets defeated in large part due to a homophobic religiously-driven campaign, that may change the perception of just how friendly the Muslim community really is
Spoken with the confidence of an early 2010's remainer - only fruitcakes and loons want to leave the EU, etc etc.
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The one major drawback of this is it makes Williamson and Jenrick secure. Johnson’s can’t afford to lose three cabinet ministers in quick succession.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Please not Williamsonydoethur said:
More likely a useless one, on past form.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
His successor will be an interesting appointment
If Johnson dare not recall Hunt, might he take the opportunity to bring Javid back instead?
Unlikely but would be better than most alternatives.0 -
I like to be positive if possible, but have we actually seen any habilitation to 're'? He was a total embarrassment as a Minister even before failing to keep the mole in the hole.CarlottaVance said:
Not sure Boris asked for this - may have been Hancock's decision, who is rather better at politics than Johnson - rehabilitation on the back benches may yet see him return to front line politics.ping said:Surprised at the timing.
Should have gone either yesterday morning, or in a future reshuffle.
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Zahawi has done pretty well in the same department; maybe a promotion for him?ydoethur said:
More likely a useless one, on past form.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
His successor will be an interesting appointment
If Johnson dare not recall Hunt, might he take the opportunity to bring Javid back instead?
Unlikely but would be better than most alternatives.2 -
LOLMaxPB said:
Will pile in on Wancock to stay when the market overreacts to this. He won't resign and Boris won't sack him over any kind of malfeasance. The only thing Boris will sack him for is disloyalty. When Dom started taking aim at Carrie he was sacked, the whole eye test saga was simply ignored as long as Dom stayed loyal.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah Hancock is done.
Matt Hancock faces an investigation after using a personal email account instead of an official address during the pandemic in a breach of government guidelines.
Since March last year the health secretary has routinely used a private account to conduct government business, concealing information from his own officials and potentially the public, according to documents obtained by The Sunday Times.
It means that the government does not hold records of much of Hancock’s decision-making, including negotiating multi-million pound PPE contracts, setting up the £37 billion Test and Trace programme and overseeing the government’s care homes strategy.
The disclosure of Hancock’s secret account appears in minutes of a meeting between senior officials at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) in December.
Cabinet Office guidance states that ministers should use official email in order to ensure that there is evidence of important decisions and proper internal scrutiny.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-used-private-email-address-to-do-government-business-nrkrgss2t
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Would be a big promotion but a continuity candidate for sure. Hopefully he isn't as captured by the zero COVID wankers as Hancock clearly was.TheScreamingEagles said:The speculation I'm hearing is Edward Argar as Health Secretary.
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Yesterday:dixiedean said:
Opinion poll results must have been received.TheScreamingEagles said:HANCOCK HAS RESIGNED.
Over half UK adults say Matt Hancock should resign over affair with aid
Should resign 58%
Should not resign 25%
This includes 46% 2019 Conservative voters.
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1408437574985826304?s=20
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Questions:
1. Cock was obviously on the Cumstain shit list. How many other names are on it?
2. What is in tomorrow's papers that abruptly forced Cock to throw in the towel?
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I think you have a way to go to top Rogerdamus.....MaxPB said:Do I get an award for worst timed post ever on PB?
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Astonishing that Hancock held on this long, he should resign as an MP as well and face a by-election0
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Hancock isn't the one you need to be worried about, Hancock looks like Piers Corbyn next to Michael Gove who is Mr Lockdown.MaxPB said:
Would be a big promotion but a continuity candidate for sure. Hopefully he isn't as captured by the zero COVID wankers as Hancock clearly was.TheScreamingEagles said:The speculation I'm hearing is Edward Argar as Health Secretary.
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On thread. I think Hancock will be gone within a week.2
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What about Johnson resigning for doing the same thing in multiple offices throughout the capital?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
He's gone.
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https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408838258054909952
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Gove is a complete cretin. Don't think Boris will give him a high profile like that. Everyone knows he's not to be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hancock isn't the one you need to be worried about, Hancock looks like Piers Corbyn next to Michael Gove who is Mr Lockdown.MaxPB said:
Would be a big promotion but a continuity candidate for sure. Hopefully he isn't as captured by the zero COVID wankers as Hancock clearly was.TheScreamingEagles said:The speculation I'm hearing is Edward Argar as Health Secretary.
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I thought the matter was closed?0
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Mine seems mistimed too.. just walked the dogs...squareroot2 said:On thread. I think Hancock will be gone within a week.
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Cynical ploy by the govt to cheer up the people of Wales.3
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My timing wasn't quite as bad as MaxPB's, but I'm happy to eat some humble pie (and losses of a couple of bets) on this.Quincel said:Given the way Johnson has treated other Cabinet ministers and Cummings after what we might call 'Professional Standards Slips' I don't see why Hancock isn't 1/5 at the longest to survive the next few days.
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BoJo seems to be totally incapable of understanding that Hancock has got it wrong.
"Back in frontline politics soon?" - sorry what?0 -
Bold callsquareroot2 said:On thread. I think Hancock will be gone within a week.
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No.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1408838258054909952
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Hancock was probably in an unrecoverable situation, given the importance of his current role. There was no chance of a quiet time for him to hide and wait for the drip-drip of stories to cease and the news cycle to move on. We're in a health crisis, and the health secretary needs to be front and centre.
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A day is a long time in politics:
No10 confirm @BorisJohnson is not sacking @MattHancock
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Well that's screwed my morning thread.
Hancock needs England to beat Germany on Tuesday to survive this.1 -
Johnson seems to be intent on going down with Matt Hancock, which is a bizarre decision.0
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Good try but he has not been shown to have broken covid rules which is why Hancock has gone, not the affairRoger said:
What about Johnson resigning for doing the same thing in multiple offices throughout the capital?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I called for this yesterday and have enormous relief he has done the right thingrottenborough said:Matt Hancock has resigned as Health Secretary after he was caught kissing a close aide in the Department of Health and Social Care in early May, in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
Telegraph live blog
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Though Roger's (ex-Oscar) predictions are usually diametrically opposed to the actual outcomes, I don't think he's ever posted a prediction that's come unstuck whilst he was typing it.CarlottaVance said:
I think you have a way to go to top Rogerdamus.....MaxPB said:Do I get an award for worst timed post ever on PB?
I think Max has set a new standard.
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And here's why - he's leaving her:CarlottaVance said:Interesting he writes that he "needs to be with his children" - no mention of "wife":
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1408836281908350976?s=20
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1408840240199090179?s=20
Good luck getting access.....0 -
Just sub Johnson for Hancock and you’ll be OK.TheScreamingEagles said:Well that's screwed my morning thread.
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Should Carrie be worried or Gina?CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson seems to be intent on going down with Matt Hancock, which is a bizarre decision.
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He comes across like such a c wordCarlottaVance said:
And here's why - he's leaving her:CarlottaVance said:Interesting he writes that he "needs to be with his children" - no mention of "wife":
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1408836281908350976?s=20
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1408840240199090179?s=20
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His wife looked very relaxed last night. Seemed to be enjoying all the fuss.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Nope, just quoting that is insufficient to attain islamophobe status. To clear that bar you need to bang on about it at every opportunity and it needs to be about the only time you ever show any great concern for LGBT issues. I'm sure you understand.isam said:
It seems it is islamophobic to take what the majority of British Muslims say they believe (that homosexuality should be illegal) at face value. Do left wingers think belief in Islamic values is false conciousness? Chinese style re education in store?OllyT said:
However you choose to try and dress it up anti-semitism and homophobia are right at the heart of the reasons muslims are switching to Galloway. It really is about time that Labour stopped pussy-footing around those issues and told muslims that hold those views to do one. It's one of the reasons I let my membership lapse when Corbyn became leader. You are deluding yourself Kinabalu, I witnessed it my own CLPkinabalu said:
If Labour lose Batley due to a big Muslim vote for George Galloway it won't be fair or valid to attribute it to homophobia. The fact is, Galloway has strong appeal to Muslims here - has twice won a seat off the back of this - and it's in large part due to his long and loud campaigning for Palestine. And it's also a fact that Labour under Starmer is not as overtly pro-Palestine as it was under Corbyn. Plus there's been far more focus on antisemitism under Starmer than on islamophobia. These are all reasons why Muslims might desert the party and lodge a by-election protest vote for GG. Anybody who ignores this and instead homes in purely on Muslim homophobia (and/or antisemitism) as the reason for the result will be showing a bit of islamophobic leg.MrEd said:
For me, one of the most interesting longer-term consequences of this by-election is how it may change the metropolitan middle class left’s view of the Muslim community. For most of the former, dealings with the latter tend to be superficial limited ones, usually in a service capacity and accompanied by the frequent comment “I had a nice Muslim Uber driver / delivery man / corner shop owner.” Certainly in the woker parts of North London, there are very few Muslim residents (that obviously changes as you get to gentrifying areas). The issue of different cultural values doesn’t really touch them on a day to day basis.Pulpstar said:
Doubt that, there's a teacher who fears for his life because of these goons.Taz said:
Why was it though?Pulpstar said:The confrontation Ledbetter got yesterday was a disgrace, and if Starmer had anything about him he'd be out supporting Leadbetter in BS perhaps even knocking a few doors for her.
He's been quiet about it if he has supported her
She was challenged in the street by someone. Something that will happen to politicians across the divide in all elections. An experienced, or savvy, campaigner would be able to shut it down quite Easily.
She showed her inexperience and lack of political nous.
I haven't seen anyone "shut them down" because the chief rabble rousers are surrounded by like minded homophobes egging them on.
Most politicians just avoid them in the first place, perhaps that was her error expecting any sort of rational debate from the cretins.
However, if Kim Leadbitter, a white middle class lesbian professional from a public service occupation, the type of person that the metropolitan class can easily identify with, gets defeated in large part due to a homophobic religiously-driven campaign, that may change the perception of just how friendly the Muslim community really is
…to quote from neo-nazi handbook The Guardian
“ …when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law0 -
It has worked with meTOPPING said:Cynical ploy by the govt to cheer up the people of Wales.
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Except for @DavidL on the cricket.borisatsun said:
Though Roger's (ex-Oscar) predictions are usually diametrically opposed to the actual outcomes, I don't think he's ever posted a prediction that's come unstuck whilst he was typing it.CarlottaVance said:
I think you have a way to go to top Rogerdamus.....MaxPB said:Do I get an award for worst timed post ever on PB?
I think Max has set a new standard.0 -
And tomorrow's front pagesTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's screwed my morning thread.
Hancock needs England to beat Germany on Tuesday to survive this.0 -
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Careful, you’ll end up shaming me into not mentioning your uncomfortable truthskinabalu said:
Nope, just quoting that is insufficient to attain islamophobe status. To clear that bar you need to bang on about it at every opportunity and it needs to be about the only time you ever show any great concern for LGBT issues. I'm sure you understand.isam said:
It seems it is islamophobic to take what the majority of British Muslims say they believe (that homosexuality should be illegal) at face value. Do left wingers think belief in Islamic values is false conciousness? Chinese style re education in store?OllyT said:
However you choose to try and dress it up anti-semitism and homophobia are right at the heart of the reasons muslims are switching to Galloway. It really is about time that Labour stopped pussy-footing around those issues and told muslims that hold those views to do one. It's one of the reasons I let my membership lapse when Corbyn became leader. You are deluding yourself Kinabalu, I witnessed it my own CLPkinabalu said:
If Labour lose Batley due to a big Muslim vote for George Galloway it won't be fair or valid to attribute it to homophobia. The fact is, Galloway has strong appeal to Muslims here - has twice won a seat off the back of this - and it's in large part due to his long and loud campaigning for Palestine. And it's also a fact that Labour under Starmer is not as overtly pro-Palestine as it was under Corbyn. Plus there's been far more focus on antisemitism under Starmer than on islamophobia. These are all reasons why Muslims might desert the party and lodge a by-election protest vote for GG. Anybody who ignores this and instead homes in purely on Muslim homophobia (and/or antisemitism) as the reason for the result will be showing a bit of islamophobic leg.MrEd said:
For me, one of the most interesting longer-term consequences of this by-election is how it may change the metropolitan middle class left’s view of the Muslim community. For most of the former, dealings with the latter tend to be superficial limited ones, usually in a service capacity and accompanied by the frequent comment “I had a nice Muslim Uber driver / delivery man / corner shop owner.” Certainly in the woker parts of North London, there are very few Muslim residents (that obviously changes as you get to gentrifying areas). The issue of different cultural values doesn’t really touch them on a day to day basis.Pulpstar said:
Doubt that, there's a teacher who fears for his life because of these goons.Taz said:
Why was it though?Pulpstar said:The confrontation Ledbetter got yesterday was a disgrace, and if Starmer had anything about him he'd be out supporting Leadbetter in BS perhaps even knocking a few doors for her.
He's been quiet about it if he has supported her
She was challenged in the street by someone. Something that will happen to politicians across the divide in all elections. An experienced, or savvy, campaigner would be able to shut it down quite Easily.
She showed her inexperience and lack of political nous.
I haven't seen anyone "shut them down" because the chief rabble rousers are surrounded by like minded homophobes egging them on.
Most politicians just avoid them in the first place, perhaps that was her error expecting any sort of rational debate from the cretins.
However, if Kim Leadbitter, a white middle class lesbian professional from a public service occupation, the type of person that the metropolitan class can easily identify with, gets defeated in large part due to a homophobic religiously-driven campaign, that may change the perception of just how friendly the Muslim community really is
…to quote from neo-nazi handbook The Guardian
“ …when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law0 -
Cad and bounder indeed.CarlottaVance said:
And here's why - he's leaving her:CarlottaVance said:Interesting he writes that he "needs to be with his children" - no mention of "wife":
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1408836281908350976?s=20
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1408840240199090179?s=20
Good luck getting access.....0 -
Hancock should have argued Gina Colangelo's legs were always two metres apart and he would have survived.
#IWouldHaveMadeAnExcellentSpinDoctor4 -
Who would have thought it? Matt Hancock is out before England.
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No, the idea Muslims are going to go en masse to Galloway simply because the Labour candidate is lesbian is xenophobic nonsense.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reading the various posts on B & S it seems a nightmare for Labour but also it does seem most think it is a loss
Is it the case Labour are virtually certain to lose
Can they still lose? Most definitely, is it certain? No, not at all.2 -
Vaccine diplomacy...
China threatened to withhold vaccines from Ukraine for human rights scrutiny - reports
The Associated Press reports that China threatened to withhold 500,000 COVID vaccines from Ukraine if the country went through with plans to cosign a statement calling for more investigations into what is happening in Xinjiang.
More than a million Uighur Muslims are said to be in so called "reeducation camps" in the region. Sky News reported this week on how Uighur cemeteries are being destroyed in the region.
Two diplomats familiar with the matter told the Associated Press that Ukraine pulled out of the plan to call for immediate access for independent inspectors to Xinjiang following the pressure.
Ukraine purchased 1.9 million doses of the CoronaVac jab from China's Sinovac Biotech. As of early May, Ukraine had received 1.2 million doses.
More than 40 countries supported the statement, which was presented by Canada at the Human Rights Council in Geneva on Tuesday.
One of the Western diplomats called it sign of "bare-knuckles" diplomacy by China. The other diplomat cited "reports of significant pressure in Kyiv," adding, "last night the delegation told us they needed to pull out".1 -
How many of the Galloway voters do you think will have been influenced by the sexuality of the Labour candidate?Nunu3 said:
No, the idea Muslims are going to go en masse to Galloway simply because the Labour candidate is lesbian is xenophobic nonsense.Big_G_NorthWales said:Reading the various posts on B & S it seems a nightmare for Labour but also it does seem most think it is a loss
Is it the case Labour are virtually certain to lose
Can they still lose? Most definitely, is it certain? No, not at all.
Do you think it will be zero?0 -
When he was first on the scene I thought Hancock was a smarmy git. I’ve actually found him less objectionable in the last 18 months.
Shows that first impressions are often right.0 -
Reminds me of that old Spitting Image Joke about Paddy Pantsdown: "I touched neither her left leg, nor her right leg, but somewhere inbetween."TheScreamingEagles said:Hancock should have argued Gina Colangelo's legs were always two metres apart and he would have survived.
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BBC commentator: "Is there a chink in Denmark's armour? And, if so, can Wales find it?"
No. And no.0
