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After what’s being seen as a good interview with Piers Morgan Starmer recovers a touch in the “Next

SystemSystem Posts: 11,006
edited June 2021 in General
imageAfter what’s being seen as a good interview with Piers Morgan Starmer recovers a touch in the “Next PM” betting – politicalbetting.com

During the day Keir Starmer has continued to recieve laudits for how he coped with the Piers Morgan grilling last night and there’s been a little bit of movement in his price on the Betfair next PM market.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,285
    First like New Zealand.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Second like England.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    dixiedean said:

    Second like England.

    Oh. And laudits ought to be a word.
    Praise for a particularly efficient bit of accounting.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,285
    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Oi, when do I get an invite to one of your funky dinner parties?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    FPT
    alex_ said:

    No wonder the catchup tsar has gone he wanted the government to spend an extra £15bn....when the yearly education budget is £50bn.

    To be honest if £15bn is actually needed and could be spent effectively, then comparing with the annual budget is meaningless. It’s not, presumably, a repeating sum. And is a clear, unambiguous investment in the future. Get it wrong and the long term costs will easily be counted in multi billions. How much have we spent on tackling COVID and who’s to say this isn’t just as, if not more, important?
    Roughly speaking, we’ve lost seventeen weeks of teaching out of the last 80. So it would appear that around 15 billion is roughly payment for catchup.

    But, of course, any calculation based on that assumes everything is linear and easy in terms of education. It makes no allowance for lumps inthe road of progress (y’know, reality).

    As I have said before, the best place to start would be by ripping out the administrative structure. It’s expensive, wasteful and in many crucial respects counterproductive. That would free up ample money that could be redirected via parents or schools directly to something useful.

    What I would say is that it would be better to have no money at all than to spend a token amount on a pet project. That’s going to be £1.5 billion pointlessly wasted.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    As expected Jesse Lingard, cut from Gareth Southgate's Euro 2020 squad yesterday, starts tonight while Jude Bellingham makes his first senior start at the age of 17.

    Trent Alexander-Arnold and Kieran Trippier both start, with Alexander-Arnold set to line up at right back with Trippier likely to be either playing as a right-sided centre-back, or at left back.

    There's no Chelsea or Manchester City players involved in this game, having played in the Champions League final on Saturday.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Despite Sir Keir having a decent performance on Piers Morgan’s Life Stories, Southside may be heading for a comedown after hearing the viewing figures. Guido learns ITV viewers almost halved from Coronation Street’s 3.5 million viewers to the start of Life Stories’ 1.7 million. For comparison, Piers managed to pull in 2.3 million for his episode with Loose Women’s Colleen Nolan. 600,000 fewer…

    https://order-order.com/2021/06/02/viewers-turned-off-by-sir-keirs-life-stories/
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    England XI: Pickford, Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Rice, Mings, Coady, Saka, Bellingham, Kane, Grealish, Lingard.

    Subs: Calvert-Lewin, Johnstone, Godfrey, Phillips, White, Watkins, Ward-Prowse, Henderson, Sancho, Ramsdale.

    --

    That looks a weird team that won't be anything like the one that plays at the Euros. Not sure what Sir Waistcoat learns from it. Seems more like a run out for a lot of those that aren't going to play much at the finals.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:
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    isamisam Posts: 40,896
    edited June 2021
    “After what being seen as a good interview...”

    Probably not seen by enough people to make a difference unfortunately for Sir Keir

    Torvill & Dean got 5.8m!

    https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ratings/a464524/piers-morgan-achieves-best-life-stories-ratings-since-2010/

    Cheryl Cole got 8m

    Though I suppose Sir Keir’s 1.7 will go up after the +1s etc are added
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    I agree.
    After providing one tenth of the funding recommended to education today, I fear the Dishmeister will be disappointing plenty of other groups in the near future.
    Particularly if interest rates go up as seems highly probable. Summat a lot of folk only vaguely recall is possible.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    edited June 2021

    Despite Sir Keir having a decent performance on Piers Morgan’s Life Stories, Southside may be heading for a comedown after hearing the viewing figures. Guido learns ITV viewers almost halved from Coronation Street’s 3.5 million viewers to the start of Life Stories’ 1.7 million. For comparison, Piers managed to pull in 2.3 million for his episode with Loose Women’s Colleen Nolan. 600,000 fewer…

    https://order-order.com/2021/06/02/viewers-turned-off-by-sir-keirs-life-stories/

    And the audience kept falling further during the programme - because the actual rating for Morgan / Starmer (ie programme average) last night was 1.6m - per Digital Spy Ratings Thread.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:

    It took two people to achieve that?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:

    Well, at least it wasn’t with a charming young lady wearing a mini skirt and no knickers, but I fail to see how ‘married couple order taxi’ is news.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2021

    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:

    I can see why talented people don't want to go near politics. It appears it is now fair game to pap politicians going about their one day off doing normal stuff.

    Who the hell wants that, unless you are some z-list celeb that is all tits and teeth who makes their money from appearing on reality shows.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:

    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:

    Well, at least it wasn’t with a charming young lady wearing a mini skirt and no knickers, but I fail to see how ‘married couple order taxi’ is news.
    Of course it wasn't.

    If it was a charming young lady wearing a mini skirt and no knickers then that would have been an actual story in the Sun.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920
    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    Of course, you're probably best off just selling the favourites.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    I highly rate Truss and think she's worth more than ~33/1 (have I done the maths right on that).

    Lay the favourite applies. As much as Rishi was value at 250/1, nobody surely should be 25% at this stage.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    I highly rate Truss and think she's worth more than ~33/1 (have I done the maths right on that).

    Lay the favourite applies. As much as Rishi was value at 250/1, nobody surely should be 25% at this stage.
    Oh yes.

    Given the vacancy is unlikely to appear for at least five years, even the most presumptive of favorites probably shouldn't be more than a 10-12% shot.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
    It turned me into a Marxist.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/18/groucho-tv/
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    isamisam Posts: 40,896
    edited June 2021
    To be fair Life Stories has apparently not been getting good ratings for a while, so Sir Keir’s 1.7m probably not much worse than Colleen Nolan’s 2m given it was midweek, a lovely evening and lockdown restrictions being relaxed.

    No one who has commented on twitter that I have seen has a bad word to say about it, and, although mainly preaching to the converted, that’s worth something given his falling ratings.

    I’d be a buyer of 1.7m if Boris did it though 😊
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    To be fair Life Stories has apparently not been getting good ratings for a while, so Sir Keir’s 1.7m probably not much worse than Colleen Nolan’s 2m given it was midweek, a lovely evening and lockdown restrictions being relaxed.

    No one who has commented on twitter that I have seen has a bad word to say about it, and, although mainly preaching to the converted, that’s worth something given his falling ratings.

    I’d be a buyer of 1.7m if Boris did it though 😊

    I bet Piers Moron would be a lot less soft soap if Boris did it.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Absolutely. Well done to the Telegraph. I know what you are saying, and I totally agree with you. Who are they, milling around us one minute - ahead of us in queue for hospital bed and treatment the next.

    One suggestion would be to make them wear yellow Covid badges.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Oi, when do I get an invite to one of your funky dinner parties?
    But there are very few non-vaccinated in the older age groups and its very easy to spot backers of the potty disgraced ex-Doc, Andrew Wakefield.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,363
    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    Is it possible that this lady's 'Friends' have had the vaccine but are telling her they have not so that they don't get invited to her dinner party's? maybe they are like Hyacinths Buckets, canal light swarays.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,560

    A modest proposal:

    Any academic wishing to appear on the BBC or Sky with a view that we need to extend lockdown for months should be immediately put on furlough and told that it is uncertain whether their academic contract will be renewed in the autumn because of the economic situation.

    Might concentrate their minds to be in the position of millions of other people.



    I am saying this only half in jest.

    Better still - just have them pay in full for the economic consequences of their advice.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
    It turned me into a Marxist.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/18/groucho-tv/
    I find television very educational. Every time someone switches it on, I go into the other room and read a book.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,116
    Fishing said:

    A modest proposal:

    Any academic wishing to appear on the BBC or Sky with a view that we need to extend lockdown for months should be immediately put on furlough and told that it is uncertain whether their academic contract will be renewed in the autumn because of the economic situation.

    Might concentrate their minds to be in the position of millions of other people.



    I am saying this only half in jest.

    Better still - just have them pay in full for the economic consequences of their advice.
    Tbf I’m as critical of the doom sayers as anyone, but if these opinions are their honest ones, then I have no issue with them being aired. The upissue is the lack of balance from the media, possibly because they want the story, but also because they are not up to the required scientific analysis. Btw, we have enough people on here who can pick apart their arguments and would press them hard to justify their assertions. But it’s sad for the general public who get their news from tv and the papers that their is no one capable or willing to do this. Every now and again there is a glimmer of hope. Robert cunliffe on the bbc. And this morning on R4 apparently. But nowhere near enough.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,238

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Question is, does it matter whether the person next to you is vaccinated or not, provided you are? It matters a bit, since they might be an asymptomatic carrier and your vaccination is not 100 per cent guaranteed, but is there a significant risk?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Question is, does it matter whether the person next to you is vaccinated or not, provided you are? It matters a bit, since they might be an asymptomatic carrier and your vaccination is not 100 per cent guaranteed, but is there a significant risk?
    No.

    Or at least, probably less than the chance you'd catch a serious dose of influenza off them.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    I don't think Truss is overrated but the losers from her trade deals will crow louder than the winners, and that's what will get the coverage.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    Of course, you're probably best off just selling the favourites.
    I've been a heavy seller of Sunak and Starmer for some time.

    I'd like to lay more but my pockets aren't deep enough, so I only have a very very low four figure sum committed.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2021

    isam said:

    To be fair Life Stories has apparently not been getting good ratings for a while, so Sir Keir’s 1.7m probably not much worse than Colleen Nolan’s 2m given it was midweek, a lovely evening and lockdown restrictions being relaxed.

    No one who has commented on twitter that I have seen has a bad word to say about it, and, although mainly preaching to the converted, that’s worth something given his falling ratings.

    I’d be a buyer of 1.7m if Boris did it though 😊

    I bet Piers Moron would be a lot less soft soap if Boris did it.
    It would be 59mins of Moron screaming at Boris...and 1 min of Boris bumbling some nonsense. The ratings would be about your typical Newnsight i.e. bugger all, after 10 mins.
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    AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337

    Fishing said:

    A modest proposal:

    Any academic wishing to appear on the BBC or Sky with a view that we need to extend lockdown for months should be immediately put on furlough and told that it is uncertain whether their academic contract will be renewed in the autumn because of the economic situation.

    Might concentrate their minds to be in the position of millions of other people.



    I am saying this only half in jest.

    Better still - just have them pay in full for the economic consequences of their advice.
    Tbf I’m as critical of the doom sayers as anyone, but if these opinions are their honest ones, then I have no issue with them being aired. The upissue is the lack of balance from the media, possibly because they want the story, but also because they are not up to the required scientific analysis. Btw, we have enough people on here who can pick apart their arguments and would press them hard to justify their assertions. But it’s sad for the general public who get their news from tv and the papers that their is no one capable or willing to do this. Every now and again there is a glimmer of hope. Robert cunliffe on the bbc. And this morning on R4 apparently. But nowhere near enough.
    The issue is one of goalpost shifting and journalists neither being sufficiently well informed or intellectually adept to ask challenging questions. It’s all “you are very clever, tell me more about how clever you are”. It’s a basic journalistic weakness.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
    You mean, you watch terrestrial?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Fishing said:

    A modest proposal:

    Any academic wishing to appear on the BBC or Sky with a view that we need to extend lockdown for months should be immediately put on furlough and told that it is uncertain whether their academic contract will be renewed in the autumn because of the economic situation.

    Might concentrate their minds to be in the position of millions of other people.



    I am saying this only half in jest.

    Better still - just have them pay in full for the economic consequences of their advice.
    Tbf I’m as critical of the doom sayers as anyone, but if these opinions are their honest ones, then I have no issue with them being aired. The upissue is the lack of balance from the media, possibly because they want the story, but also because they are not up to the required scientific analysis. Btw, we have enough people on here who can pick apart their arguments and would press them hard to justify their assertions. But it’s sad for the general public who get their news from tv and the papers that their is no one capable or willing to do this. Every now and again there is a glimmer of hope. Robert cunliffe on the bbc. And this morning on R4 apparently. But nowhere near enough.
    I would not mins so much if the lockdown sceptics had been given even a fraction of the time that has been given to these people.

    The media should have a diversity of opinions on it, even controversial ones, but the BBC in particulars will only bring on people who will attack the Governments from one side.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,938
    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
    You mean, you watch terrestrial?
    No-one watches satellite TV in the US.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2021
    The real problem is very few politicians will do extended interviews about policy these days. They are either personality bits or just attack pieces of interruption, interruption, interruption, shout at politician.

    Chairman Houchen did one the other week with Unherd and was a refreshing change. He actually outlined his politics very well. For me it struck the right balance of allowing him to explain himself, without either being a gotcha interruptathon or totally letting him get away with just a propaganda piece to camera.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,201

    "Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a taxi with his wife yesterday"

    This is an actual story in the Mail. :lol:

    Hancock is a LibDem?
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    Oh, it changed something for me:

    The channel.
    I thought you lived in America? Or are they such fans of Keir Starmer in The States his interview was broadcast on US telly?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,822
    Evening all :)

    My first trip to a meeting at a rented office space and my first face to face with colleagues in 15 months.

    As for the journey, fascinating to see the changes from pre-Covid. A seat on a fairly quiet Jubilee Line tube from West Ham at 8am. The old flood of office workers from Stratford to Canary Wharf gone. Indeed, the busiest station for people getting on was Canada Water and without wishing to go too far, the disparity between those who have continued to have to travel to work and those who have worked at home transcends the traditional blue and white collar divide but isn't a bad guesstimation.

    Working at Home has largely been the preserve of the white collar administrative and professional workers in both the public and private sectors while those either attending the office or still having to travel are either skilled trades or lower paid admin staff again in both the private and public sectors.

    Coming home, a seat on an eastbound Jubilee tube at 5.15pm - almost unheard of. Busier at West Ham, both the train and tube platforms but with a busier District Line eastbound.

    The SWR train journey to and from Woking was very quiet - I had a carriage to myself both ways. I had thought there might be some half-term rail traffic but it seems people have chosen to go away for the whole week rather than have days out.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,522
    I posted my thoughts on Starmer's interview on a previous thread, so won't repeat them. But unlike most, I did watch it.

    What he and his team need to do now is follow it through. On its own, last night's interview won't have any significant impact. But if, over the next few weeks and months, he can get airtime to display the attributes he showed last night (e.g. a sense of humour), then he could get the wind in his sails. The task should be easier if Covid continues to die a death, if you pardon the phrase. A packed House of Commons may also help him; though I'm sure others will think it would help the PM more, I'm not so sure.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    HYUFD said:

    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election

    both are possible
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,201
    Looks like yesterday's "Zero deaths" was an outlier...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,938
    The Redfield poll on potential alternative Labour leaders to Starmer shows Burnham ahead but significantly more so in his home region of the North West.

    For example while 44% of North Western voters would prefer to see him be the replacement for Starmer, only 16% of South Eastern voters would like him to replace Starmer.

    He does lead in every region however, only in London do other candidates get to double figures with Nandy on 12% and Lammy on 10% to Burnham's 21%
    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/plurality-of-british-voters-would-support-replacing-keir-starmer-as-leader-of-the-labour-party-with-andy-burnham-as-a-possible-successor/
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,216

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    So you think it will?
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    edited June 2021

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    As Jamie Murray asks, where's the vaccine payoff? Nag everyone into getting the jab, then tell them they still have to do all the same stuff all the unjabbed folk do.

    At some point we've got to say "once you're double jabbed go about your daily business as normal".

    That might well have been unfair when we were stuck in the 70-80's band, but in a few weeks we'll basically be deep into the younger cohorts at which point such criticisms of unfairness/bias can't be levelled and indeed getting jabbed becomes the carrot rather than the stick of the vaxxport.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Pfizer's jab is linked to heart inflammation in Israel where medics say it's the 'probable' cause of 148 cases in young men among 5MILLION vaccinated people

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9642563/Israel-sees-probable-link-Pfizer-vaccine-myocarditis-cases.html

    Good job its not British, Mini-Trump would be off on one.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Question is, does it matter whether the person next to you is vaccinated or not, provided you are? It matters a bit, since they might be an asymptomatic carrier and your vaccination is not 100 per cent guaranteed, but is there a significant risk?
    But the point is The Principle? The mudbloods without any God’s Own Vaccine in them.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    Of course, you're probably best off just selling the favourites.
    I've been a heavy seller of Sunak and Starmer for some time.

    I'd like to lay more but my pockets aren't deep enough, so I only have a very very low four figure sum committed.
    I wish it was possible to transfer my £5000 green against Sunak's name to Betfair to lay him. I'd rather not put grands of my own cash to be tied up for probably at least five years.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,773
    Was there a lab-leak cover-up IN AMERICA?

    https://twitter.com/nogofroc/status/1399858952414793730?s=20
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    HYUFD said:

    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election

    For Starmer to become next PM would on the other hand require a miracle of biblical proportions alongside a charisma transplant operation


    or Rishi to change his name by deed poll to Starmer
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,006

    Looks like yesterday's "Zero deaths" was an outlier...

    No just the Bank Holiday. Sunday and Monday are also low, as are Tuesdays after a Monday BH.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,006

    Looks like yesterday's "Zero deaths" was an outlier...

    No just the Bank Holiday. Sunday and Monday are also low, as are Tuesdays after a Monday BH.
    Also = always
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,822
    I presume the latest Forsa poll from Germany has already been noted:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 25% (+1)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 24% (-1)
    SPD-S&D: 14%
    FDP-RE: 14% (+1)
    AfD-ID: 9% (-1)
    LINKE-LEFT: 6%

    Incredible to see the FDP tied with the SPD for third place.

    Another country due to head to the polls later this year is Iceland and the latest MMR poll:

    Independence Party*: 25% (unc)
    Pirates: 14% (+5)
    Progressive Party*: 13% (+2)
    Left Green Movement*: 11% (-6)
    Liberal Reform Party: 11% (+4)
    Social Democratic Alliance: 11% (-1)
    Centre Party: 7% (-4)
    Icelandic Socialist Party: 6% (+6)
    People's Party: 3% (-4)

    Changes from the last election.

    * = Government parties

    The governing coalition still has 49% of the vote and should survive as I'm not sure what an alternative coalition would look like and what kind of majority it could command in the Althing. Currently, the governing coalition has 33 seats and the opposition 30 so the government might lose two seats on the current numbers.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748

    HYUFD said:

    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election

    For Starmer to become next PM would on the other hand require a miracle of biblical proportions alongside a charisma transplant operation


    or Rishi to change his name by deed poll to Starmer
    The next PM market on BF is great. It is of course illiquid, but over time you can probably get on whatever bet you like. Much to my current regret I'd been backing Hancock - a pound here, a pound there. I think I've blown those pounds.

    I did though lay Corbyn at 3.1, Swinson at 12, and Bercow at an astonishing 13.5 (admittedly only in 1p)
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,358
    HYUFD said:

    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election

    For the first one, Sunak also needs the Conservative Problem that makes BoJo unpopular to not be linked to his role as Chancellor.
    At the moment, one of the main props holding the Conservatives high is the cash-splashing that has (rightly) gone on this year. Whilst he may remain popular during the transition from Rish who gives you cut-price dishies to Stingy Sunak, it's not going to be easy.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,135
    Leon said:

    Was there a lab-leak cover-up IN AMERICA?

    https://twitter.com/nogofroc/status/1399858952414793730?s=20

    Allowing the Chinese to save face?

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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,051
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    gealbhan said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Question is, does it matter whether the person next to you is vaccinated or not, provided you are? It matters a bit, since they might be an asymptomatic carrier and your vaccination is not 100 per cent guaranteed, but is there a significant risk?
    But the point is The Principle? The mudbloods without any God’s Own Vaccine in them.
    If two naked men are standing next to each other and one pisses on the other's leg, the other's leg gets wet.
    If the other man is wearing trousers, his trousers get wet, and if there is enough piss, so will his leg.
    If the pisser is wearing trousers but the other man is naked, most of the piss stays inside the pisser's trousers, but some might escape to wet the other's leg
    If both are wearing trousers, it is unlikely the other's leg will get wet at all.
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,787

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I must admit that in my case university was peak dinner party, I never saw that coming. SAD.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,773
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Was there a lab-leak cover-up IN AMERICA?

    https://twitter.com/nogofroc/status/1399858952414793730?s=20

    Allowing the Chinese to save face?

    Fauci and the NIH funded highly controversial, banned-by-Obama, "gain of function" research in Wuhan: making novel bat coronaviruses more virulent

    If it was ever shown that Covid-19 was born in that lab, and from that research, Fauci would go to jail for decades. It is overwhelmingly in his interest that the final determination is: natural zoonosis outside the lab

    The emails released today imply Fauci was steering the attention of the media to the wet market hypothesis, despite early warnings that it could be from the lab. It all gets very murky
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    darkage said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I must admit that in my case university was peak dinner party, I never saw that coming. SAD.
    The Diplomatic Service, particularly in hardship posts, was peak dinner party time for me. In Yemen, there was not much else to do during the week.
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,787
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    My first trip to a meeting at a rented office space and my first face to face with colleagues in 15 months.

    As for the journey, fascinating to see the changes from pre-Covid. A seat on a fairly quiet Jubilee Line tube from West Ham at 8am. The old flood of office workers from Stratford to Canary Wharf gone. Indeed, the busiest station for people getting on was Canada Water and without wishing to go too far, the disparity between those who have continued to have to travel to work and those who have worked at home transcends the traditional blue and white collar divide but isn't a bad guesstimation.

    Working at Home has largely been the preserve of the white collar administrative and professional workers in both the public and private sectors while those either attending the office or still having to travel are either skilled trades or lower paid admin staff again in both the private and public sectors.

    Coming home, a seat on an eastbound Jubilee tube at 5.15pm - almost unheard of. Busier at West Ham, both the train and tube platforms but with a busier District Line eastbound.

    The SWR train journey to and from Woking was very quiet - I had a carriage to myself both ways. I had thought there might be some half-term rail traffic but it seems people have chosen to go away for the whole week rather than have days out.

    My experience re travelling by train has been that much depends on the timetabling of the train companies and if they have caught up with the end of lockdown. Arriva have totally messed up the line from Marylebone to Birmingham, they are still running a pandemic timetable of 2-3 coach trains once an hour, and they get absolutely packed. Other suburban lines are as you describe, completely empty.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,363

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I'm really glad to hear you say that.
    The broadsheets give the impression that every other proper adult in the country is in an endless cavalcade of dinner parties.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748
    darkage said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I must admit that in my case university was peak dinner party, I never saw that coming. SAD.
    Dinner parties when at Uni were easily the best (rough and ready though they were). Formal dinners even more so.

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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331
    Few were watching the broadcast ..
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    Wait, food, drinks and then drunken antics don't count as dinner parties? Clearly I've been doing it wrong all these years!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    No matter how many threads we have with Starmer and next PM in the same sentence

    Aint going to happen
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,116
    Omnium said:

    darkage said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I must admit that in my case university was peak dinner party, I never saw that coming. SAD.
    Dinner parties when at Uni were easily the best (rough and ready though they were). Formal dinners even more so.

    Personal favourites. (1) Sunday roast for friends, via watching the footy at pub. So drunk, couldn’t recall if I’d cooked roast spuds or not... (2) curry, several options, for about 8 drunk from the pub and cooked at home, rather than go to the curry house. Both brilliant nights, but yes, while a post doc at uni. Does that count as at uni? Technically I have never left...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    I'm really glad to hear you say that.
    The broadsheets give the impression that every other proper adult in the country is in an endless cavalcade of dinner parties.
    Nope. I've never been to one either.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,938

    HYUFD said:

    For Sunak to become next PM rather than Starmer would require either a sharp nosedive in Boris' ratings or a Tory win at the next general election

    For the first one, Sunak also needs the Conservative Problem that makes BoJo unpopular to not be linked to his role as Chancellor.
    At the moment, one of the main props holding the Conservatives high is the cash-splashing that has (rightly) gone on this year. Whilst he may remain popular during the transition from Rish who gives you cut-price dishies to Stingy Sunak, it's not going to be easy.
    Indeed Major was able to succeed Thatcher as he was able to distance himself from the Poll Tax which was her idea and instead he proposed the council tax as an alternative
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043

    On topic, Keir Starmer was right to do the interview. He's got nothing to lose in taking risks to change public perceptions of him.

    But, I don't think it won't change anything.

    I hope your last statement is correct.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,446
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,285
    edited June 2021
    Anyone else really amused by the fact that there's a player called Denzel Dumfries playing for the Netherlands in the Scotland v. Netherlands match, or is it just me?

    Update - Dykes is playing for Scotland.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,285
    Andy_JS said:
    That looks like a hostage video.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    TimT said:

    gealbhan said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Question is, does it matter whether the person next to you is vaccinated or not, provided you are? It matters a bit, since they might be an asymptomatic carrier and your vaccination is not 100 per cent guaranteed, but is there a significant risk?
    But the point is The Principle? The mudbloods without any God’s Own Vaccine in them.
    If two naked men are standing next to each other and one pisses on the other's leg, the other's leg gets wet.
    If the other man is wearing trousers, his trousers get wet, and if there is enough piss, so will his leg.
    If the pisser is wearing trousers but the other man is naked, most of the piss stays inside the pisser's trousers, but some might escape to wet the other's leg
    If both are wearing trousers, it is unlikely the other's leg will get wet at all.
    Is scapegoating when things go wrong not a tad sinister?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Few were watching the broadcast ..

    How many people watch broadcast anyway?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,135
    Key exchanges from the Appropriations subcommittee

    Kennedy: “Here’s where I’m getting at: You gave them money, and you said, ‘Don’t do gain-of-function research.’”

    Fauci: “Correct.”

    Kennedy: “And they said, ‘We won’t.’”

    Fauci: “Correct.”

    Kennedy: “And you have no way of knowing whether they did or not, except you trust them. Is that right?”

    Fauci: “Well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say, and you look at the results—”

    Kennedy: “Have you ever had a grantee lie to you?”

    Fauci: “I cannot guarantee that a grantee has not lied to us because you never know.”

    Kennedy: “Can we agree that if you took President Xi Jinping and turned him upside down and shook him, the World Health Organization would fall out of his pocket?”

    Fauci: “I don’t think I can answer that question, sir. I’m sorry.”
    https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2021/5/kennedy-asks-fauci-whether-wuhan-lab-lied-you-never-know
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,787
    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    I have said for many years that Patel is underpriced in this market. It seems that people just dismiss her because they think she is thick. But in fact this is not true, she is quite unique amongst politicians in that she actually believes in her policies, which accord with much of what the conservative membership believe in. Her problem has always been with MP's, but this changed a lot in 2019 with the removal of the progressive remainers and influx of new red wall MP's. She has a lot of positives - non white, female, drives the woke crowd completely mad. She could go all the way to the top. 27/1 is unbelievable value.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    edited June 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    Wait, food, drinks and then drunken antics don't count as dinner parties? Clearly I've been doing it wrong all these years!
    If someone hasn't asked you to pass the port at some point during the evening, it doesn't count as a 'proper' dinner party.
    geoffw said:

    Key exchanges from the Appropriations subcommittee

    Kennedy: “Here’s where I’m getting at: You gave them money, and you said, ‘Don’t do gain-of-function research.’”

    Fauci: “Correct.”

    Kennedy: “And they said, ‘We won’t.’”

    Fauci: “Correct.”

    Kennedy: “And you have no way of knowing whether they did or not, except you trust them. Is that right?”

    Fauci: “Well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say, and you look at the results—”

    Kennedy: “Have you ever had a grantee lie to you?”

    Fauci: “I cannot guarantee that a grantee has not lied to us because you never know.”

    Kennedy: “Can we agree that if you took President Xi Jinping and turned him upside down and shook him, the World Health Organization would fall out of his pocket?”

    Fauci: “I don’t think I can answer that question, sir. I’m sorry.”
    https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2021/5/kennedy-asks-fauci-whether-wuhan-lab-lied-you-never-know

    Way to diminish a potentially fruitful line of questionning by including a posturing one at the end.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2021
    OnlyLivingBoy said: "The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing."

    I went to a dinner party once, in August of 1962. I remember some of the conversations and first encountered the word "eschew".
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,773
    darkage said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Truss, Raab and Patel look underpriced in this market to me.

    Risks face all of them in failing to get the politics right in office, but that applies to Rishi too - who is heavily overpriced IMHO.

    Patel looks the real bargain, as the shine has rather come off Raab, and I think Truss is a bit overrated.
    I have said for many years that Patel is underpriced in this market. It seems that people just dismiss her because they think she is thick. But in fact this is not true, she is quite unique amongst politicians in that she actually believes in her policies, which accord with much of what the conservative membership believe in. Her problem has always been with MP's, but this changed a lot in 2019 with the removal of the progressive remainers and influx of new red wall MP's. She has a lot of positives - non white, female, drives the woke crowd completely mad. She could go all the way to the top. 27/1 is unbelievable value.
    Agreed. If she can sort the Channel crossing migrants she will soar
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,201

    Looks like yesterday's "Zero deaths" was an outlier...

    No just the Bank Holiday. Sunday and Monday are also low, as are Tuesdays after a Monday BH.
    Double figures today...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited June 2021
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    Wait, food, drinks and then drunken antics don't count as dinner parties? Clearly I've been doing it wrong all these years!
    If someone hasn't asked you to pass the port at some point during the evening, it doesn't count as a 'proper' dinner party.
    Last time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.

    First time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920
    As an aside, Covid 19 seems a strange virus to emerge from gain-of-function research.

    That would result in either a more infectious, or a more deadly disease.

    Why Covid19 has been so incredibly effective at spreading around the world has been for almost the opposite reason: it takes a considerable time after initial infection before there is enough virus in a person's system to be detectable.

    The result of this is that carriers have spread far and wide, without realising they're carriers, and without being able to be detected as carriers.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    Wait, food, drinks and then drunken antics don't count as dinner parties? Clearly I've been doing it wrong all these years!
    If someone hasn't asked you to pass the port at some point during the evening, it doesn't count as a 'proper' dinner party.
    Last time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.

    First time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.
    Isn't port something you put on ice cream?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    I'm told ministers will tomorrow discuss whether to put Portugal back on the amber list 😬

    No denials from the government.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/02/uk-to-give-quarantine-free-travel-status-to-handful-of-new-places-say-sources
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Toms said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Why I'm disinviting my unvaccinated friends to dinner parties.

    If you won’t have the vaccine, you’re no friend of mine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wont-have-vaccine-no-friend-mine/

    Wouldn't it be simpler not to invite them in the first place?
    What an odd article.
    1) While I'm as enthusiastic a vaxxer as the next man, this comes across as more than a little holier-than-thou.
    2) Do dinner parties exist any more? My parents used to have them. But that was back in the days when restaurants were very expensive and not very good. I don't think I've ever been to a dinner party. I have eaten my tea at other people's houses, but I wouldn't have called it a party.
    3) IRL, I know no-one who won't have the vaccine. Well, possibly I do, but they haven't said. This woman appears to have anti-vaxxers coming out of here ears.

    And 4, as Robert says above.

    This woman has taken a position I agree with (you should have the vaccine) irritated me with it.
    The absence of dinner parties has been one of the great disappointments of adult life. I'm not sure I've ever been to a proper one (as opposed to some food and drinks at someone's house, followed by drunken singing in the kitchen, which doesn't count). Being a fully signed up member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite I thought I would be up to my ears in prawn cocktails and After Eights by now, but nothing doing.
    Wait, food, drinks and then drunken antics don't count as dinner parties? Clearly I've been doing it wrong all these years!
    If someone hasn't asked you to pass the port at some point during the evening, it doesn't count as a 'proper' dinner party.
    Last time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.

    First time I drank neat port was at my university graduation.
    Isn't port something you put on ice cream?
    At the pub, mix it with Blue WKD and you have a "Cheeky Vimto".

    Probably doesn't go down well with the 'dinner party set'.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,135
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, Covid 19 seems a strange virus to emerge from gain-of-function research.

    That would result in either a more infectious, or a more deadly disease.

    Why Covid19 has been so incredibly effective at spreading around the world has been for almost the opposite reason: it takes a considerable time after initial infection before there is enough virus in a person's system to be detectable.

    The result of this is that carriers have spread far and wide, without realising they're carriers, and without being able to be detected as carriers.

    Your notion of gain of function is too limited. Delayed symptoms after infection could be part of gain of function. Pretty effective, as we see.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_xP said:

    I'm told ministers will tomorrow discuss whether to put Portugal back on the amber list 😬

    No denials from the government.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/02/uk-to-give-quarantine-free-travel-status-to-handful-of-new-places-say-sources

    At least there's been no major events recently when thousands of travellers would have gone and mingled in Portugal with thousands of other people from across the world.
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