Should Some Groups Need to Pay to Vote? – politicalbetting.com
Should Some Groups Need to Pay to Vote? – politicalbetting.com
This sounds like a crazy question: but should the government introduce measures that require certain groups to pay if they wish to vote?
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Compelling piece - thanks Robert.1
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Perhaps we should go the whole hog and require voters be land owners?6
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It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.0 -
5th.0
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Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit0 -
I also note Councils will be required to provide ID for those without them.
No mention of any kind of funding for the staff needed.0 -
We have also got postal votes ad infinitum now. So no need for me to flash my passport. Also no need to step inside our local CofE church, which acts as our polling station. The benefits just keep piling up.dixiedean said:It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.0 -
Aren't you grand? Mine was the Baptists. Not even the merest glimpse of glister about the place.SandyRentool said:
We have also got postal votes ad infinitum now. So no need for me to flash my passport. Also no need to step inside our local CofE church, which acts as our polling station. The benefits just keep piling up.dixiedean said:It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.0 -
Always surprises me that I can just go into the local polling station, tell them my name and address and they let me vote - it would be easy to send someone else in or play silly buggers somehow. But quite quaint.
Wouldn’t bother me if they did ask for ID though1 -
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.2 -
I was going to say it sounds like they held a gun to his head during the meeting.Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
But better not.0 -
Polling joke from last Friday
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Thanks for the piece, Robert.
I'm not really convinced. I would like to see some evidence on these alleged delays rather than guestimated models. And just how many people do not have photo ID, or cannot get it easily.
I have concerns about photos as that may engage face recognition technology.
One simple way some countries do it is to require those with no ID to sign a Statement of Truth.
Here is an interesting account of Sinn Fein personation history:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/parties-agree-to-combat-election-personation-by-sinn-fein-26240298.html1 -
Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die1 -
Mr neither. I carry my driving license with me all the time.isam said:Always surprises me that I can just go into the local polling station, tell them my name and address and they let me vote - it would be easy to send someone else in or play silly buggers somehow. But quite quaint.
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Why do you feel hostility to your local church?SandyRentool said:
We have also got postal votes ad infinitum now. So no need for me to flash my passport. Also no need to step inside our local CofE church, which acts as our polling station. The benefits just keep piling up.dixiedean said:It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.1 -
Mine is the C of S kirk where I was baptised. Ditto lack of glitter.dixiedean said:
Aren't you grand? Mine was the Baptists. Not even the merest glimpse of glister about the place.SandyRentool said:
We have also got postal votes ad infinitum now. So no need for me to flash my passport. Also no need to step inside our local CofE church, which acts as our polling station. The benefits just keep piling up.dixiedean said:It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.0 -
Wikipedia tells me that Kinnock was challenged by Benn in '88.Omnium said:
Thanks. It's sort of easy to forget these things. An in-government challenge though. So far as I can see SKS will be in unique territory if he survives beyond a few months. (Other than Corbyn)Foss said:
Major in '95? He managed two more years (nearly!)Omnium said:Other than Corbyn has there ever been a party leader that has had serious challenges to their leadership and has yet managed to hold on for many years?
(Corbyn is a little different in that he was anti-colgate from day one)
The challenges to Starmer don't really amount to 'serious' yet, but not so far off.
I'm of course mulling this from a betting perspective.0 -
Blair, Mandy & The Standard laying into Sir Keir todayCasino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die0 -
Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??0
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Oh yes, and give university graduates an extra vote.Carnyx said:
No, no. They have to have a minimum of property. 3 square metres, sorry 4 square yards, won't cut it.TimT said:Perhaps we should go the whole hog and require voters be land owners?
Or rent a rather higher rateable value.
And forget the women.0 -
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.1 -
Farage has been having fun as well:isam said:
Blair, Mandy & The Standard laying into Sir Keir todayCasino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
"I believe the Labour Party is in much bigger trouble than anybody realises."
"Does Starmer realise that his traditional vote does not feel the need to apologise for everything this country has ever stood for? They are not ashamed of British history. They cannot relate to these gestures."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/12/think-labour-bad-place-now-aint-seen-nothing-yet/0 -
Peak Grauardian....
Are you going to miss the positive aspects of lockdown – are you going to miss it so much that you’re going to create your own personal, regular “lockdown days” just for yourself or your family?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/11/have-you-decided-to-create-a-regular-lockdown-day-for-yourself-or-your-family
I would but I'm too busy wild swimming.2 -
Seems like if Sage get their way the state will be mandating these anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:Peak Grauardian....
Are you going to miss the positive aspects of lockdown – are you going to miss it so much that you’re going to create your own personal, regular “lockdown days” just for yourself or your family?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/11/have-you-decided-to-create-a-regular-lockdown-day-for-yourself-or-your-family
I would but I'm too busy wild swimming.2 -
I will be extremely displeased if they bottle this. Johnson won't be so stupid.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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The tv series on which the character is based was good in bits but the twitter account (run by the writer I assume) occasionally has moments of geniusisam said:Polling joke from last Friday
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Well, hopefully they’ll be sacked before too long and then yes, we’ll be free of them.rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
Oh sorry, was the bug in question CV not SAGE?2 -
FPT - Philip_Thompson said:
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"Last week the Teaching Assistant at my daughter's Reception class said to me that she'd asked the class to talk about Birthday Parties - and the kids spoke about Presents and Cake but weren't able to talk much about other things associated with parties as they'd not been to parties. Near the end of the Reception class year and there'd been no school parties in the entire year for them. So the teachers arranged for a birthday party for the class puppet "Claire" and asked for permission to give her cake etc at the party.
She got an invitation to go to 'Claire's birthday' on Friday which she was so excited for and on the Friday came home talking about Pass the Parcel and other things she'd done at the party. 🥳
Both cool that the school arranged that for the kids and a real shame that it had come to that. Such a simple thing wiped out for them to have never been able to experience for real yet."
From SSI2 - Bless the teachers AND your little girl! And a give the lass a hug from PB!2 -
Calderdale child sexual exploitation: 29 men charged
Twenty-nine men have been charged in connection with the sexual exploitation and rape of a girl over a seven-year period in West Yorkshire. The offences are said to have taken place in and around Calderdale and Bradford between 2003 and 2010 when the victim was aged between 13 and 20.
The men are due to appear at Bradford Magistrates' Court on 7 and 9 July
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57093267
There appears these men might have something in common.0 -
I see the TUC went the Novara route - just with extra flags
Palestinian ones obviously - wouldn't be seen dead with our own flag.2 -
The LCC is also seeking a meeting with European Commission vice-president, Maroš Šefčovič, “to ensure that he understands how the Belfast agreement has been breached by the protocol”.dixiedean said:
I was going to say it sounds like they held a gun to his head during the meeting.Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
But better not.
Sounds ominous. Suspect that Šefčovič will be in no hurry for that understanding.0 -
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.1 -
Can FoxTrot Oscar if vulnerable (And by now the vulnerable really are all jabbed) people don't want to bother.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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Wasn't there a report today that it appears that at least Pfizer and Moderna work against the Indian variant.1
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No wonder the UK government said no....
The Champions League final will now be staged in Porto in Portugal after the UK government and UEFA could not reach agreement over quarantine exemptions for more than 2,000 VIPs, staff and media for the match to be played at Wembley.2 -
And they can represent the rest - "virtual representation" they called it in the Days of Walpole, Chatham, Pitt the Younger.TimT said:Perhaps we should go the whole hog and require voters be land owners?
Surprised that Jacob Rees-Mogg has NOT already suggested this?
He IS one of England's greatest 18th-century thinkers. Just a couple centuries late!0 -
My favTheuniondivvie said:
The tv series on which the character is based was good in bits but the twitter account (run by the writer I assume) occasionally has moments of geniusisam said:Polling joke from last Friday
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Oh he can. He most certainly can.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.
I still have a fear of Blair. Couldn't lay a finger on him in power.1 -
Of course they didn't negotiate. Heaven forfend the very idea.rpjs said:
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.
No need to when you are in total agreement with them.3 -
They didn't...in public...rpjs said:
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.2 -
Hang on, everyone is agreeing this is a problem.rottenborough said:
Farage has been having fun as well:isam said:
Blair, Mandy & The Standard laying into Sir Keir todayCasino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
"I believe the Labour Party is in much bigger trouble than anybody realises."
"Does Starmer realise that his traditional vote does not feel the need to apologise for everything this country has ever stood for? They are not ashamed of British history. They cannot relate to these gestures."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/12/think-labour-bad-place-now-aint-seen-nothing-yet/
But I keep being told this is only an issue on Twitter?0 -
We definitely need to ask potential voters some very simple questions to ensure they have some basic level of taste, decency and proof they are reasonably well informed.....I propose some very simple questions about pizza toppings, well known indie bands and the quality of their live performances and famous Christmas films.
Obviously if you travel cattle class on transatlantic flights and drink bottles of plonk less than a £15 you are automatically barred.1 -
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The Tories were negotiating with terrorists for years before the Good Friday Agreement.rpjs said:
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.
I wonder how many conversations Barnier bothered to have with the Loyalists while seeking to "protect the Good Friday Agreement"?0 -
Ah ok - better for Starmer then as a precedent. Kinnock could have got closer than he did to winning.Foss said:
Wikipedia tells me that Kinnock was challenged by Benn in '88.Omnium said:
Thanks. It's sort of easy to forget these things. An in-government challenge though. So far as I can see SKS will be in unique territory if he survives beyond a few months. (Other than Corbyn)Foss said:
Major in '95? He managed two more years (nearly!)Omnium said:Other than Corbyn has there ever been a party leader that has had serious challenges to their leadership and has yet managed to hold on for many years?
(Corbyn is a little different in that he was anti-colgate from day one)
The challenges to Starmer don't really amount to 'serious' yet, but not so far off.
I'm of course mulling this from a betting perspective.
(I have no recollection whatsoever of that challenge)1 -
Well, they negotiated with Boris, didn't they, after he'd terrorized his predecessor, etc, etc?squareroot2 said:
They didn't...in public...rpjs said:
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.0 -
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Indian variant looks to be nasty...rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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He's not wrong, but there are shades of "woke".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die0 -
"Brits - the War against the IRA" by Peter Taylor is a good read. A fair few years old, but very enlightening.squareroot2 said:
They didn't...in public...rpjs said:
Whatever happened to the Tory party that didn't negotiate with terrorists?Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.0 -
The woke and the woke that have been cancelled for not being sufficiently woke / tweeted something 10 years ago as a kid....Gallowgate said:
He's not wrong, but there are shades of "woke".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die1 -
Defenestration of Labour leaders by the Red Horde, is significantly more difficult than throwing Tory leader out onto the Dungheap of History is for the Blue Meanies.Omnium said:
Ah ok - better for Starmer then as a precedent. Kinnock could have got closer than he did to winning.Foss said:
Wikipedia tells me that Kinnock was challenged by Benn in '88.Omnium said:
Thanks. It's sort of easy to forget these things. An in-government challenge though. So far as I can see SKS will be in unique territory if he survives beyond a few months. (Other than Corbyn)Foss said:
Major in '95? He managed two more years (nearly!)Omnium said:Other than Corbyn has there ever been a party leader that has had serious challenges to their leadership and has yet managed to hold on for many years?
(Corbyn is a little different in that he was anti-colgate from day one)
The challenges to Starmer don't really amount to 'serious' yet, but not so far off.
I'm of course mulling this from a betting perspective.
(I have no recollection whatsoever of that challenge)
For context, check out wiki page of actual Defenestration of Prague for context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
Exerpt - Count von Thurn turned to both Martinice and Slavata and said "you are enemies of us and of our religion, have desired to deprive us of our Letter of Majesty, have horribly plagued your Protestant subjects... and have tried to force them to adopt your religion against their wills or have had them expelled for this reason". Then to the crowd of Protestants, he continued "were we to keep these men alive, then we would lose the Letter of Majesty and our religion... for there can be no justice to be gained from or by them".
Shortly thereafter, the two Regents and their secretary were defenestrated, but they survived the 70-foot (21-metre) fall from the third floor.
Catholics maintained the men were saved by angels or by the intercession of the Virgin Mary, who caught them; later Protestant pamphleteers asserted that they survived due to falling onto a dung heap, a story unknown to contemporaries and probably coined in response to divine intervention claims. Philip Fabricius was later ennobled by the emperor and granted the title Baron von Hohenfall (literally "Baron of Highfall").
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So what if the Labour lefties, their most successful leader, the brains behind their best schemes, & London’s biggest paper all think Sir Keir’s rubbish, he’s losing safe seats to the govt in by elections, everyone thinks he’s dull as ditchwater & his ratings are at -47?Casino_Royale said:
Hang on, everyone is agreeing this is a problem.rottenborough said:
Farage has been having fun as well:isam said:
Blair, Mandy & The Standard laying into Sir Keir todayCasino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
"I believe the Labour Party is in much bigger trouble than anybody realises."
"Does Starmer realise that his traditional vote does not feel the need to apologise for everything this country has ever stood for? They are not ashamed of British history. They cannot relate to these gestures."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/12/think-labour-bad-place-now-aint-seen-nothing-yet/
But I keep being told this is only an issue on Twitter?
All LotOs lose a bit of support once the don’t knows filter out!3 -
Somehow can NOT imagine "Shades of Woke" every emulating the popular success of "Shades of Gray".Gallowgate said:
He's not wrong, but there are shades of "woke".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
EDIT - Unless perhaps you could convince Helen Mirren to reprise her role from "Caligula"?1 -
Hostility is a bit strong. As a Catholic Atheist, the CofE just represents a misguided version of the God I don't believe in.squareroot2 said:
Why do you feel hostility to your local church?SandyRentool said:
We have also got postal votes ad infinitum now. So no need for me to flash my passport. Also no need to step inside our local CofE church, which acts as our polling station. The benefits just keep piling up.dixiedean said:It has already made postal voting more common by at least one.
I don't drive. I don't want to carry my passport (Which is anyway currently expired, but will be renewed when I have a prospect of going anywhere) on a 3 mile round trip walk to the polling station.
So I will vote by post. I applied for one in March cos I didn't think it was fair on the poll workers under the circumstances.
I will continue to do so indefinitely. Doubtless meaning I'll probably get one after I'm dead.6 -
Photo ID threads are the the new AV!0
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It's just more transmissable is all, hotspots will appear where people haven't bothered to get vaxxed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Indian variant looks to be nasty...rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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It looks to be highly transmissible, but no more deadly. Evidence is stacking up that the vaccines will be fine against it. The explosion of cases in India are among the still mostly unvaccinated population, and this is true here too. Notably at a school... I can imagine sage want to meet to try to contain the variant as best they can, but that does not yet threaten the June date for lifting restrictions.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Indian variant looks to be nasty...rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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Is that your photo ID in the picture?dodrade said:Photo ID threads are the the new AV!
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But presumably we’ve agreed to such demands for the Euros.FrancisUrquhart said:No wonder the UK government said no....
The Champions League final will now be staged in Porto in Portugal after the UK government and UEFA could not reach agreement over quarantine exemptions for more than 2,000 VIPs, staff and media for the match to be played at Wembley.0 -
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.0 -
Groucho?SandyRentool said:
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.
"These are my radicals - And if you don't like them, I have others!"0 -
It's ripped off from Macmillan:SandyRentool said:
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.
As usual the Liberals offer a mixture of sound and original ideas. Unfortunately none of the sound ideas is original and none of the original ideas is sound.
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Or haven't been offered yet.Pulpstar said:
It's just more transmissable is all, hotspots will appear where people haven't bothered to get vaxxed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Indian variant looks to be nasty...rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
We really could do with getting the remaining adult population first dosed tout de suite.3 -
The Calderdale grooming case is unspeakable
It would surely be blistering headline news if the "ethnic" details were in any way reversed1 -
This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
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That's not "ripping off", it's riffing. There is nothing wrong with taking a classic line and then tweaking it so it sounds new, and says something true.david_herdson said:
It's ripped off from Macmillan:SandyRentool said:
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.
As usual the Liberals offer a mixture of sound and original ideas. Unfortunately none of the sound ideas is original and none of the original ideas is sound.
https://libquotes.com/harold-macmillan/quote/lbn1e0z0 -
Everyone takes different lessons from their reading of Marx. Some better than others obviously.SandyRentool said:
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.0 -
Compile a list of all similar cases - it is a national scandal and disgraceLeon said:The Calderdale grooming case is unspeakable
It would surely be blistering headline news if the "ethnic" details were in any way reversed
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Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
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Mood music on Twitter (yes, I know) is that it’s probably just laying the groundwork for surge vaccinations in and around Bolton. Almost all the new cases are in the unvaccinated cohorts up there apparently...Chameleon said:
I will be extremely displeased if they bottle this. Johnson won't be so stupid.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
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Couldn't agree more with this article. Additionally there is a chance that it would backfire on the government, maybe only a small chance, but to take a chance when there is no merit in your scheme and you are avoiding the real menace of the postal ballot not being reliably secret is exceedingly foolish.
Proper compromise: bring your polling card or simple ID (including gas bill, bit of paper from govt about your pension, Co-op card).0 -
That's a terrific history.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Defenestration of Labour leaders by the Red Horde, is significantly more difficult than throwing Tory leader out onto the Dungheap of History is for the Blue Meanies.Omnium said:
Ah ok - better for Starmer then as a precedent. Kinnock could have got closer than he did to winning.Foss said:
Wikipedia tells me that Kinnock was challenged by Benn in '88.Omnium said:
Thanks. It's sort of easy to forget these things. An in-government challenge though. So far as I can see SKS will be in unique territory if he survives beyond a few months. (Other than Corbyn)Foss said:
Major in '95? He managed two more years (nearly!)Omnium said:Other than Corbyn has there ever been a party leader that has had serious challenges to their leadership and has yet managed to hold on for many years?
(Corbyn is a little different in that he was anti-colgate from day one)
The challenges to Starmer don't really amount to 'serious' yet, but not so far off.
I'm of course mulling this from a betting perspective.
(I have no recollection whatsoever of that challenge)
For context, check out wiki page of actual Defenestration of Prague for context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
Exerpt - Count von Thurn turned to both Martinice and Slavata and said "you are enemies of us and of our religion, have desired to deprive us of our Letter of Majesty, have horribly plagued your Protestant subjects... and have tried to force them to adopt your religion against their wills or have had them expelled for this reason". Then to the crowd of Protestants, he continued "were we to keep these men alive, then we would lose the Letter of Majesty and our religion... for there can be no justice to be gained from or by them".
Shortly thereafter, the two Regents and their secretary were defenestrated, but they survived the 70-foot (21-metre) fall from the third floor.
Catholics maintained the men were saved by angels or by the intercession of the Virgin Mary, who caught them; later Protestant pamphleteers asserted that they survived due to falling onto a dung heap, a story unknown to contemporaries and probably coined in response to divine intervention claims. Philip Fabricius was later ennobled by the emperor and granted the title Baron von Hohenfall (literally "Baron of Highfall").
I think Labour moved on from the idea of no challenges with Corbyn.
I suspect Starmer will be challenged. I suspect from the left. I'm pretty sure that he can be defeated too.
On balance though I don't actually think it will happen.0 -
While it is those things, it also brings Jo Cox's murder back into focus. It is therefore moderately clever politics.Leon said:
Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
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Didn't Corbyn get challenged by Owen Smith?Omnium said:
That's a terrific history.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Defenestration of Labour leaders by the Red Horde, is significantly more difficult than throwing Tory leader out onto the Dungheap of History is for the Blue Meanies.Omnium said:
Ah ok - better for Starmer then as a precedent. Kinnock could have got closer than he did to winning.Foss said:
Wikipedia tells me that Kinnock was challenged by Benn in '88.Omnium said:
Thanks. It's sort of easy to forget these things. An in-government challenge though. So far as I can see SKS will be in unique territory if he survives beyond a few months. (Other than Corbyn)Foss said:
Major in '95? He managed two more years (nearly!)Omnium said:Other than Corbyn has there ever been a party leader that has had serious challenges to their leadership and has yet managed to hold on for many years?
(Corbyn is a little different in that he was anti-colgate from day one)
The challenges to Starmer don't really amount to 'serious' yet, but not so far off.
I'm of course mulling this from a betting perspective.
(I have no recollection whatsoever of that challenge)
For context, check out wiki page of actual Defenestration of Prague for context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
Exerpt - Count von Thurn turned to both Martinice and Slavata and said "you are enemies of us and of our religion, have desired to deprive us of our Letter of Majesty, have horribly plagued your Protestant subjects... and have tried to force them to adopt your religion against their wills or have had them expelled for this reason". Then to the crowd of Protestants, he continued "were we to keep these men alive, then we would lose the Letter of Majesty and our religion... for there can be no justice to be gained from or by them".
Shortly thereafter, the two Regents and their secretary were defenestrated, but they survived the 70-foot (21-metre) fall from the third floor.
Catholics maintained the men were saved by angels or by the intercession of the Virgin Mary, who caught them; later Protestant pamphleteers asserted that they survived due to falling onto a dung heap, a story unknown to contemporaries and probably coined in response to divine intervention claims. Philip Fabricius was later ennobled by the emperor and granted the title Baron von Hohenfall (literally "Baron of Highfall").
I think Labour moved on from the idea of no challenges with Corbyn.
I suspect Starmer will be challenged. I suspect from the left. I'm pretty sure that he can be defeated too.
On balance though I don't actually think it will happen.0 -
There is a website that does that. Compiles all of these cases. It is horrendous, the scale of it. Tens of thousands of victims is not an exaggerationFloater said:
Compile a list of all similar cases - it is a national scandal and disgraceLeon said:The Calderdale grooming case is unspeakable
It would surely be blistering headline news if the "ethnic" details were in any way reversed
Never forget the powers that be tried to cover it up too
Unfortunately the website has a far right slant, so it severely taints the data (even tho it seems true to me). This is a phenomenon which has bedevilled reportage of this from the off: most mainstream media are STILL too nervous to really go heavy on this story, even though it is probably the greatest "scandal" in postwar British history.
I cannot think of anything that remotely compares, in sheer size2 -
Quite surprising it was 60/40 Leave in the aftermath of Cox’s murder really. Was it likely to be more Leavey before she was killed?david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
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Yes. Andy Burnham is suggesting it.Anabobazina said:
Mood music on Twitter (yes, I know) is that it’s probably just laying the groundwork for surge vaccinations in and around Bolton. Almost all the new cases are in the unvaccinated cohorts up there apparently...Chameleon said:
I will be extremely displeased if they bottle this. Johnson won't be so stupid.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
And as he's the LOTO, the government will implement any of his sensible ideas.1 -
Sentimental cant and gestural bollocks - when it's of the right sort - goes down well with voters.Leon said:
Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57090767
But more importantly, the work she's done since Cox's death, with the Jo Cox Foundation and More In Common, is very impressive and by itself more than justifies her place as a parliamentary nominee.
Also, if she is the candidate, it'll be bloody hard to run any kind of effective negative campaign against Labour.4 -
@RuthDavidsonPC tells #peston that the Voter ID plans in the queen’s speech are “total bollocks”. Says no evidence to support it.
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/13925779068036096100 -
Exploiting sentimental cant and gestural bollocks?Leon said:
Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57090767
Maybe Labour have got some life in them yet.1 -
Excellent article Robert.3
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Plus she's local.david_herdson said:
Sentimental cant and gestural bollocks - when it's of the right sort - goes down well with voters.Leon said:
Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57090767
But more importantly, the work she's done since Cox's death, with the Jo Cox Foundation and More In Common, is very impressive and by itself more than justifies her place as a parliamentary nominee.
Also, if she is the candidate, it'll be bloody hard to run any kind of effective negative campaign against Labour.0 -
I'll be kind. On a theme of.Leon said:
That's not "ripping off", it's riffing. There is nothing wrong with taking a classic line and then tweaking it so it sounds new, and says something true.david_herdson said:
It's ripped off from Macmillan:SandyRentool said:
Stylistically, the first of those reminds me of Marx.dixiedean said:
Amongst progressives, "The radicals aren't sensible, and the sensible aren't radical".Casino_Royale said:Blair hasn't lost it. He's got Woke in one:
"On cultural issues, Labour is being backed into electorally off-putting positions... defined by the woke left." People "dislike prejudice; but they dislike extremism in combating prejudice."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die
On Trump. "Uniquely strange and unacceptable in his behaviour."
Say what you like about him. He can turn a phrase like few others.
As usual the Liberals offer a mixture of sound and original ideas. Unfortunately none of the sound ideas is original and none of the original ideas is sound.
https://libquotes.com/harold-macmillan/quote/lbn1e0z
Macmillan's almost certainly wasn't the first of its kind. Cicero probably said something similar.0 -
If it was me running the show, at this stage would be giving everyone who showed up for a jab a free toaster oven, or whatever the kids want these days of comparable value.solarflare said:
Or haven't been offered yet.Pulpstar said:
It's just more transmissable is all, hotspots will appear where people haven't bothered to get vaxxed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Indian variant looks to be nasty...rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Will we ever be free of this bug?Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
We really could do with getting the remaining adult population first dosed tout de suite.
PLUS a ticket to win
> 1st prize - £10,000 per year for life AND same for one person you select when you pass (so that IF the jab gets you at least not a total loss).
> 2nd prize (several) - One week, all expenses paid luxury holiday to sunny Gibraltar OR any other appealing destination that will take a fully vaxed-up Brit.
> 3rd prize (say 50) - Personal, guided tour of newly-refurbished No. 10 Downing Street conducted by Carrie herself (a la Jackie Kennedy) including complementary English champagne, Welsh rarebit, Scotch egg (only good in parts) and English mushy peas on brioche PLUS several samples of new No. 10 draperies, carpets and . . . wait for it . . . wallpaper!
That's the CARROTS.
STICKS could include requiring all non-vaccinated to travel to South Shetland Islands for two week attitude adjustment campaign, shortened & concluded as soon as participants/victims get jabbed with one-shot J&J.
Or possibly a ten-hour seminar in a sealed-room with the entire Shadow Cabinet?0 -
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It's a very sensible idea, that can happen under the radar with minimal of fuss given we're in the home stretch now anyway. We're already into the 30-somethings so won't take much juice to finish this off in areas of concern.dixiedean said:
Yes. Andy Burnham is suggesting it.Anabobazina said:
Mood music on Twitter (yes, I know) is that it’s probably just laying the groundwork for surge vaccinations in and around Bolton. Almost all the new cases are in the unvaccinated cohorts up there apparently...Chameleon said:
I will be extremely displeased if they bottle this. Johnson won't be so stupid.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
And as he's the LOTO, the government will implement any of his sensible ideas.
A vaccine centre has nearby has said they have 800 first doses to give ANYONE who wants them. No age requirements.1 -
Boris has played it right. There is no solution to Ireland on current red lines. It was too much of a risk to leave without a deal. So leave on a deal you know will unfold, then you are negotiating both with a deal which in general is workable, and you are not locked into the EU for ever because you have left. And there is a level playing field over who will in the end give way over Irish red lines.Philip_Thompson said:
Good on Frost. 👍Scott_xP said:Loyalist paramilitaries to David Frost: Protocol isn't gonna work. You need to change it.
Later, Frost to EU: Protocol isn't gonna work, we need to change it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/12/uk-ministers-meet-representatives-of-ni-paramilitaries-to-discuss-brexit
Shame the EU didn't want to listen to both sides during the divorce. Time to face reality now though.
And as a plus it gives him, and all British unionists, a massive piece of ammunition in the argument against Scotland creating an EU land border at Berwick and Gretna.
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Good job it is not croquet.isam said:
My favTheuniondivvie said:
The tv series on which the character is based was good in bits but the twitter account (run by the writer I assume) occasionally has moments of geniusisam said:Polling joke from last Friday
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Not necessarily - the Tories lost Eastbourne, after all:isam said:
Quite surprising it was 60/40 Leave in the aftermath of Cox’s murder really. Was it likely to be more Leavey before she was killed?david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57090767
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Which one out of interest?Philip_Thompson said:
It's a very sensible idea, that can happen under the radar with minimal of fuss given we're in the home stretch now anyway. We're already into the 30-somethings so won't take much juice to finish this off in areas of concern.dixiedean said:
Yes. Andy Burnham is suggesting it.Anabobazina said:
Mood music on Twitter (yes, I know) is that it’s probably just laying the groundwork for surge vaccinations in and around Bolton. Almost all the new cases are in the unvaccinated cohorts up there apparently...Chameleon said:
I will be extremely displeased if they bottle this. Johnson won't be so stupid.Anabobazina said:Any credence to the rumours that Sage want to delay the 21 June unlock because of the Indian variant??
And as he's the LOTO, the government will implement any of his sensible ideas.
A vaccine centre has nearby has said they have 800 first doses to give ANYONE who wants them. No age requirements.
Have friends in Bolton.0 -
Or jai alai. Or hurlingMattW said:
Good job it is not croquet.isam said:
My favTheuniondivvie said:
The tv series on which the character is based was good in bits but the twitter account (run by the writer I assume) occasionally has moments of geniusisam said:Polling joke from last Friday
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"This is a LOCAL election for LOCAL people! There's nothing for YOU here!"dixiedean said:
Plus she's local.david_herdson said:
Sentimental cant and gestural bollocks - when it's of the right sort - goes down well with voters.Leon said:
Why? She's the sister of the woman that was murdered. It's a sad sad story, but it doesn't make her the right person to be the MP by itself, in any way or form. It's patronising and insulting to Batley and Spen voters to say it DOES. It is sentimental cant and gestural bollocks.david_herdson said:This should substantially increase Labour's chance of winning in Batley & Spen, if they're sensible enough to run with her candidacy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57090767
But more importantly, the work she's done since Cox's death, with the Jo Cox Foundation and More In Common, is very impressive and by itself more than justifies her place as a parliamentary nominee.
Also, if she is the candidate, it'll be bloody hard to run any kind of effective negative campaign against Labour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meF7NmfnXZ00
