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  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310

    Leon said:

    Birmingham Council is tearing down statues after they consulted citizens in a ‘poll’. I have my doubts about this ‘poll’. Some of the findings:


    ‘Other highlights from the consultation were that 51 per cent of people agreed to proposals to include Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic and female candidates for all council shortlists, with 35 per cent disagreeing, while 75 per cent agreed compulsory equalities training was needed.’

    https://twitter.com/_saveourstatues/status/1392112322571874306?s=21

    This Wokeness is going to destroy the Left. But before it does the Left will do its best to destroy our culture, streets and self-esteem

    It's voodoo. It was an online consultation to gauge the thoughts of residents, with more than 4,000 people filling in the questionnaire online, so entirely self-selecting and vulnerable to campaign groups. I bet they haven't even checked where they lived.

    It's probably what the leaders want anyway, so confirmation bias did the rest.

    It will lead to key historic figures like Sir Robert Peel, Matthew Boulton and Joseph Chamberlain being targeted.
    Indeed. I do wish more publicity was given to the worthlessness of these types of "polls". We had one near us when there was a proposal for an utterly useless onshore windfarm (it is a low wind area) and the then local Tory MP used such a voodoo poll as a reason to not oppose the windfarm even though it had obviously been highjacked by "greenies"!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Birmingham Council is tearing down statues after they consulted citizens in a ‘poll’. I have my doubts about this ‘poll’. Some of the findings:


    ‘Other highlights from the consultation were that 51 per cent of people agreed to proposals to include Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic and female candidates for all council shortlists, with 35 per cent disagreeing, while 75 per cent agreed compulsory equalities training was needed.’

    https://twitter.com/_saveourstatues/status/1392112322571874306?s=21

    This Wokeness is going to destroy the Left. But before it does the Left will do its best to destroy our culture, streets and self-esteem

    It's voodoo. It was an online consultation to gauge the thoughts of residents, with more than 4,000 people filling in the questionnaire online, so entirely self-selecting and vulnerable to campaign groups. I bet they haven't even checked where they lived.

    It's probably what the leaders want anyway, so confirmation bias did the rest.

    It will lead to key historic figures like Sir Robert Peel, Matthew Boulton and Joseph Chamberlain being targeted.
    Yes, it’s absolute bollocks. It contradicts all other polls (ie proper, scientific polls)

    It will enrage people if they follow through

    The question is, does the Woke Left care? is it even aware? Do they know this stuff is controversial but their Puritan zeal overcomes any doubts, or do they somehow delude themselves that the public agrees?

    The logical end to all this is the public electing a far right party, in a significant western country. France?

    America has already come close
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310

    Trump's former defence chief says 6th Jan insurrection was just tourists.


    Steven Dennis
    @StevenTDennis
    ·
    15h
    “There was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a boldface lie,” he said. He said people walked in an orderly fashion between roped off stanchions at the Capitol taking videos and pictures. !!

    https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1392563023697563653

    This is how the "free world" will die. It has become acceptable for Western politicians to just simply lie about matters that are inconvenient. We have moved from leading politicians using carefully crafted chicanery and half truth which has always been around to full on total and massive lies. It is a genuinely worrying development which can only encourage likes of Putin and the Chinese Communist Party that the West is in terminal decline
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,433
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Birmingham Council is tearing down statues after they consulted citizens in a ‘poll’. I have my doubts about this ‘poll’. Some of the findings:


    ‘Other highlights from the consultation were that 51 per cent of people agreed to proposals to include Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic and female candidates for all council shortlists, with 35 per cent disagreeing, while 75 per cent agreed compulsory equalities training was needed.’

    https://twitter.com/_saveourstatues/status/1392112322571874306?s=21

    This Wokeness is going to destroy the Left. But before it does the Left will do its best to destroy our culture, streets and self-esteem

    It's voodoo. It was an online consultation to gauge the thoughts of residents, with more than 4,000 people filling in the questionnaire online, so entirely self-selecting and vulnerable to campaign groups. I bet they haven't even checked where they lived.

    It's probably what the leaders want anyway, so confirmation bias did the rest.

    It will lead to key historic figures like Sir Robert Peel, Matthew Boulton and Joseph Chamberlain being targeted.
    Yes, it’s absolute bollocks. It contradicts all other polls (ie proper, scientific polls)

    It will enrage people if they follow through

    The question is, does the Woke Left care? is it even aware? Do they know this stuff is controversial but their Puritan zeal overcomes any doubts, or do they somehow delude themselves that the public agrees?

    The logical end to all this is the public electing a far right party, in a significant western country. France?

    America has already come close
    I don't think it will in France (although it might for other reasons) as Macron has slapped this all down at a national level.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited May 2021
    Nigelb said:

    Some Republicans beginning to acknowledge that they have their own cancel culture...
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/553254-senate-gop-dismayed-by-vote-to-boot-cheney
    ...Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.), who urged his Senate colleagues at the end of last year not to support objections to the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6, said “I hope that Republicans will continue to be the party that values to free speech and doesn’t give in to group think.”

    He praised Cheney as a “strong voice for conservative principles.”

    “People ought to be able to speak their minds,” he said...

    ...Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) acknowledged she is worried about what the vote on Cheney says about how the Republican Party deals with members who criticize Trump, regardless of their good standing on a variety of other issues.

    “Yeah, I am,” she said. “None of us should live in fear of a comment that might be made. I recognize that we all have decisions and choices we make but if I as an elected member feel that I cannot speak because I will be shut down by my party or my party leader, I don’t think that that allows for the type of representation that I think Alaskans [expect.]”...

    Yes. Usually, in the free world, if a politician makes a public declaration of support for the subversion of democracy via intimidation and violence it rules them out of running for high office (and possibly brings the police knocking). But as far as the Republican Party is concerned, this is inverted by a full 180. It not only doesn't disbar them from running, it's a pre-requisite. Just think about that for a second (as they say).
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Interesting read on the limitations of current science practice laid bare by Covid (forwarded by a colleague who has been invovled in running some of the Covid trials)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01246-x

    A common problem we face. It's relatively easy to set up a trial, particularly if you're embedded in a hospital. It's much harder to set up a good trial which involves agreements with other people/institutions and - particularly - data sharing agreements.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    Trump's former defence chief says 6th Jan insurrection was just tourists.


    Steven Dennis
    @StevenTDennis
    ·
    15h
    “There was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a boldface lie,” he said. He said people walked in an orderly fashion between roped off stanchions at the Capitol taking videos and pictures. !!

    https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1392563023697563653

    This is how the "free world" will die. It has become acceptable for Western politicians to just simply lie about matters that are inconvenient. We have moved from leading politicians using carefully crafted chicanery and half truth which has always been around to full on total and massive lies. It is a genuinely worrying development which can only encourage likes of Putin and the Chinese Communist Party that the West is in terminal decline
    Yep. A massively greater threat than "woke" (which I see one or two are fretting about again today).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Leon said:

    In my noble desire to expose myself to the *best* of Birmingham, I have just discovered their Symphony Hall




    How? How could any city outside Saddam Hussein’s Iraq erect such a hideous wart, surrounded by similar warts? Why are British cities so bad at this? How did London, almost uniquely, escape?

    Form follows function.

    The inside shell is completely isolated from the surroundings, and the train tracks...

    It's a masterpiece
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pendent-Punditry

    English people & other UKers commonly use certain words ending with "st" that Americans use quite rarely.

    For example, you say "amongst" and "willst" as common variations of "among" and "will" while we use the "st" forms rarely if at all. And often when we are invoking either the Mother Country or yesteryear. As in one Pilgrim asking another, "Willst thou marry me?"

    Do Canucks say "amongst"? Don't think they do. But they may, just less than Brits and more than Yanks.


  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    All the talk about the legal writ or what the heck it is entered - CCJ or some such - apparently with dubious validity against "Mr Boris Johnson" is VERY similar to legal harassment strategies & tactics used by right-wing nut-bags in the United States in similar fashion.

    Very rich history of this, making use of various legal "remedies" commonly used by lawyers on behalf of clients big and small, most often big. Where statements are sworn to, liens places, etc, etc, etc which subsequent judicial review determines are bogus as a $3 bill (or £3 note in BoJo's case) but then the courts typically take their good sweet time resolving such matters - if they ever bother.

    One suspects that many of the people who deploy such strategems have frequently been targets (wrongly or rightly) of such legal actions. AND that they derive considerable personal & ideological satisfaction sicking the law upon their enemies (perceived or real), politicos and the Forces of Order in general.
  • I agree with Robert Smithson about postal voting, where the real problem of voter fraud remains unaddressed. There should be voter registration days like they have in South Africa. So those who do want to vote by post, need to present photo ID and residential ID to register for this. The system works in a poor country. It can certainly work in a rich one. It is a matter of political will. Postal voting on demand should also be restricted to essential reasons.
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