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Is everyone watching football or something?

Talking about Yorks or Wales or Cornwall or Scotland breaking away, I wonder which towns would be sensibly twinned with which. I think I'd like to see Glasgow (and Truro ?) twinned with Bedford. Looks are deceiving: we're tough down here.
Would there be enough Scottish towns to go around?

I want both Belgium and Netherlands to qualify for the semis, so we can hashtag the match #NedFlanders

On topic, this morning someone who shall remain nameless, emailed me the picture used in this thread header and the subject header of the email was

"Crowds start gathering outside the pub in advance of Monday's PB gathering"

TheScreamingEagles said:

Outlier alert

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 37s

Lab lead at six pts in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 35 n/c, Con 29 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), Lib Dems 7 (n/c), Green 5 (n/c).

Durn it! Every time the Tories seem about to crossover along comes another poll, outlier or not, which knocks them for six.

Is SeanT standing the bar refreshments again on Monday out of his millions - reflecting the fact that his writing skills were finely honed on this site ..... he owes it all you to you Mike!

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Outlier alert

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 37s

Lab lead at six pts in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 35 n/c, Con 29 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), Lib Dems 7 (n/c), Green 5 (n/c).

Durn it! Every time the Tories seem about to crossover along comes another poll, outlier or not, which knocks them for six.

The Tories are making sure they aren't peaking too soon.

Plus, us Tories are Unionists, consistent Tory leads before the North Britain referendum is bad for the Union, so we Tories are taking one for the Union.

Plus, we're ahead with Lord A, and only 1 point behind with Populus and YouGov, and 2 points behind with the ComRes phone poll, all showing the Lab lead collapsing.

This is essentially an MOE outlier.

TheScreamingEagles said:

What an absolute legend Andrews Strauss is

Andrew Strauss has apologised after branding Kevin Pietersen an “absolute c***” in an embarrassing TV gaffe on Saturday.

Sky TV have been forced to apologise to viewers in Australia after former England cricket captain Strauss was heard making the comment on a live mic, when he apparently thought he was off-air.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/andrew-strauss-calls-kevin-pietersen-3815769

Oh dear, isn't wasn't he being lined up as a Tory MP?

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

What an absolute legend Andrews Strauss is

Andrew Strauss has apologised after branding Kevin Pietersen an “absolute c***” in an embarrassing TV gaffe on Saturday.

Sky TV have been forced to apologise to viewers in Australia after former England cricket captain Strauss was heard making the comment on a live mic, when he apparently thought he was off-air.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/andrew-strauss-calls-kevin-pietersen-3815769

Oh dear, isn't wasn't he being lined up as a Tory MP?

He was, but he's sticking with the commentary job by the looks of it.

Morris_Dancer said:

So, ideal result would be Rosberg 1st, Hulkenberg 2nd, Hamilton DNF.

The grid's very nicely poised.

Edited extra bit: bloody hell, I knew I forgot something. Mr. Putney, I neglected to mention your cunning Button bet. My apologies.

Morris - I decided on this bet just prior to Qualification, after watching that great clip of him on a motor bike sightseeing in London alongside David Coulthard. He just seemed so relaxed, carefree and absolutely up for it. Of course, he still has to contend with that car of his.

Mr. Putney, that's my fear. The McLaren is, shockingly, the worst of the Mercedes-powered cars.

However, for your bet, I think it'd take a DNF or some serious screw-up to stop Button getting points.

Morris_Dancer said:

Maldonado sent to the back of the grid:
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24231/9372901/pastor-maldonado-sent-to-back-of-british-gp-grid-after-failing-to-provide-fuel-sample

It's almost as if a man whose name means 'ill-favoured one' and whose number is 13 has bad luck...

It could be bad luck or it could be that he's totally out of his depth, can't drive a Grand Prix Car and shouldn't even be driving a little Corsa on the B65341...

I can't decide.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Easterross said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

What an absolute legend Andrews Strauss is

Andrew Strauss has apologised after branding Kevin Pietersen an “absolute c***” in an embarrassing TV gaffe on Saturday.

Sky TV have been forced to apologise to viewers in Australia after former England cricket captain Strauss was heard making the comment on a live mic, when he apparently thought he was off-air.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/andrew-strauss-calls-kevin-pietersen-3815769

Why didn't he just apologise for using the naughty word on live TV. As he surely meant the insult he should not have apologised for the message in his remark. Its like public figures apologising when they do something off limits. They should simply apologise for being caught

He did apologise when he next was back in the commentary box.

After Pieterson's display against Essex on Friday night, that's not how I'd describe him. How many have batted out a maiden over in t20 cricket?
And the bowler in question has never been spoken of in connection with and England place, and is only irregularly in the Essex CC team.

TheScreamingEagles said:

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Outlier alert

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 37s

Lab lead at six pts in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 35 n/c, Con 29 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), Lib Dems 7 (n/c), Green 5 (n/c).

Durn it! Every time the Tories seem about to crossover along comes another poll, outlier or not, which knocks them for six.

The Tories are making sure they aren't peaking too soon.

Plus, us Tories are Unionists, consistent Tory leads before the North Britain referendum is bad for the Union, so we Tories are taking one for the Union.

Plus, we're ahead with Lord A, and only 1 point behind with Populus and YouGov, and 2 points behind with the ComRes phone poll, all showing the Lab lead collapsing.

This is essentially an MOE outlier.

Another PB Tory overexcited moment?

TheScreamingEagles said:

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Outlier alert

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 37s

Lab lead at six pts in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 35 n/c, Con 29 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), Lib Dems 7 (n/c), Green 5 (n/c).

Durn it! Every time the Tories seem about to crossover along comes another poll, outlier or not, which knocks them for six.

The Tories are making sure they aren't peaking too soon.

Plus, us Tories are Unionists, consistent Tory leads before the North Britain referendum is bad for the Union, so we Tories are taking one for the Union.

Plus, we're ahead with Lord A, and only 1 point behind with Populus and YouGov, and 2 points behind with the ComRes phone poll, all showing the Lab lead collapsing.

This is essentially an MOE outlier.

Glad to see a Conservative poll with the lead dropping, as I've said alot previously I need Labour to drop and the Conservatives to rise at the next GE, but not

Too Far Or Too Fast like Ed Balls driving

So the vote/seats switch bet comes in.

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Outlier alert

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 37s

Lab lead at six pts in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 35 n/c, Con 29 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), Lib Dems 7 (n/c), Green 5 (n/c).

Durn it! Every time the Tories seem about to crossover along comes another poll, outlier or not, which knocks them for six.

The Tories are making sure they aren't peaking too soon.

Plus, us Tories are Unionists, consistent Tory leads before the North Britain referendum is bad for the Union, so we Tories are taking one for the Union.

Plus, we're ahead with Lord A, and only 1 point behind with Populus and YouGov, and 2 points behind with the ComRes phone poll, all showing the Lab lead collapsing.

This is essentially an MOE outlier.

Another PB Tory overexcited moment?

The only person who gets overexcited is you.

You're the chap who thinks one point leads less than a year before a general election is a good thing for oppositions.

Where have I said a 1% lead is a good thing

However I do still think Lab are favorites to be biggest party

Looking forward to meeting you on Monday.

Dont get many Sheffield Tories maybe you are an outlier?

"Mark Cavendish crashes in Yorkshire Tour de France finish as Marcel Kittel wins opening stage

Giant-Shimano rider Marcel Kittel comes through to take the win in Harrogate as home favourite Mark Cavendish suffers injury after falling during sprint finish"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/10948659/Mark-Cavendish-crashes-in-Yorkshire-Tour-de-France-finish-as-Marcel-Kittel-wins-opening-stage.html

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only person who gets overexcited is you.

Slightly harsh given that every poll is micro-analysed on here. To be fair, there's huge volatility in the polls at present - YouGov shows the combined Tory/Labour share in excess of 70%, Opinium has 64% as did Ashcroft while ICM had only a 63% share in the last poll.

That's an enormous and critical divergence and explains the Conservative shares ranging between 29% and 35% which is a huge variation. There are those on here who seem to assert with confidence where the state of public opinion currently resides.

I'm not one of them - Thursday night's local by-elections were trendless with good and bad results for all the parties. The only prediction I have consistently made for next year's General Election is that East Ham will be a Labour hold - beyond that, I've no clue.

The campaign will be critical and we may see (as we did last time) huge volatility within the election. The Smithson of polls to which we will be subjected will as likely muddy the waters as clear them.

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The only person who gets overexcited is you.

Slightly harsh given that every poll is micro-analysed on here. To be fair, there's huge volatility in the polls at present - YouGov shows the combined Tory/Labour share in excess of 70%, Opinium has 64% as did Ashcroft while ICM had only a 63% share in the last poll.

That's an enormous and critical divergence and explains the Conservative shares ranging between 29% and 35% which is a huge variation. There are those on here who seem to assert with confidence where the state of public opinion currently resides.

I'm not one of them - Thursday night's local by-elections were trendless with good and bad results for all the parties. The only prediction I have consistently made for next year's General Election is that East Ham will be a Labour hold - beyond that, I've no clue.

The campaign will be critical and we may see (as we did last time) huge volatility within the election. The Smithson of polls to which we will be subjected will as likely muddy the waters as clear them.

My comment from May still stands

My own take is that Labour is probably 2/3% ahead, but with margin of error/sampling variations and a general polling trend not favouring Labour and somewhat favouring the Tories we’re going to be seeing a volatile period in the polling for a while, as the Tories and Lab alternate the lead, until we see a new trend emerging, but for the time being, I wouldn’t advise the Blues or Reds to get over-excited or despondent by any one poll.

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/05/19/the-second-lord-ashcroft-poll-has-labour-six-ahead/

Easterross said:

Andrew Strauss would make a great Tory MP. He could announce that Ed is a cnut instead of just crap . So what does everyone think tonight's YouJokeGuv will deliver? After almost giving us crossover during the week, I reckon Labour at around 37/38 with a 6 or 7 point lead.

Nah, remember a Tory MP said

Undiplomatic lingo; RT @thetimes “No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a f****** c*** and a copper-bottomed s***", a govt source.

which I managed to get into a thread header

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/08/29/syria-how-it-will-impact-domestic-politics/

TheScreamingEagles said:

My comment from May still stands

My own take is that Labour is probably 2/3% ahead, but with margin of error/sampling variations and a general polling trend not favouring Labour and somewhat favouring the Tories we’re going to be seeing a volatile period in the polling for a while, as the Tories and Lab alternate the lead, until we see a new trend emerging, but for the time being, I wouldn’t advise the Blues or Reds to get over-excited or despondent by any one poll.

As I recall, the first Ashcroft poll got everyone excited by showing a two-point Conservative lead and I expect we will see a YouGov with a Conservative lead before long but I share your view. I doubt many people are giving politics even the slightest of thoughts at this stage.

From where I sit, the Coalition has one more winter to get through with all its accompanying problems and one more Budget with all its accompanying opportunities.

I also think UNS will be even more unreliable than usual.

bigjohnowls said:

I am actually from Dronfield and now live in Chesterfield and I am too young to remember that debacle ( I wish)

See you all Monday anyone know what kind of turnout is expected?

Nobody's perfect.

Hopefully we'll get a dirty dozen.

I think we could be well hung too

TheScreamingEagles said:

Most people (including we Tories) thought the first Ashcroft poll was an outlier and said so, but a few hours later, the ICM also showed a Tory lead.

I think the 2015 budget will be the most pivotal (and political) budget since the 1992 one, now George Osborne is the architect of two the biggest shifts in polling in the last decade, the 2012 Budget and his 2007 conference special on IHT.

I'm no Conservative but of course that's valid. The brutal truth is that for all the Stakhanovite recitation of statistics by Avery and others, I've checked my own finances and I am worse off now than I was in 2010 on the simple measure that the money in my wage packet (tax changes notwithstanding) has not kept pace with the prices I pay for food, energy, travel and the like.

As to whether Labour would restore my finances, I don't know. I do know that the coming interest rate hikes (which will be much sharper than they need to be thanks to the ludicrous policies of QE and the politicisation of the interest rate mechanism by Osborne and Carney effectively undoing all Brown did (and the Tories supported) in 1997) will not help.

Guardian - Ed Miliband faces Labour revolt over rail renationalisation

Interesting ISIS story -183 Indians have been set free from Iraq. 'The Indian security establishment used its ties with counterparts in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United States to negotiate the release of the nurses, and progress was personally monitored by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, government sources told HT.'
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iraqonthebrink/iraq-crisis-sos-to-friends-goodwill-won-india-this-battle/article1-1237284.aspx

So ISIS are our enemy, but apparently the USA, KSA, and Qatar still have enough pull within ISIS to get them to free the civilians they want free.

JackW said:

TEST ONLY

I miss Test.

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

I am actually from Dronfield and now live in Chesterfield and I am too young to remember that debacle ( I wish)

See you all Monday anyone know what kind of turnout is expected?

Nobody's perfect.

Hopefully we'll get a dirty dozen.

TSE is going to be the only Tory in the pub?

Freggles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

I am actually from Dronfield and now live in Chesterfield and I am too young to remember that debacle ( I wish)

See you all Monday anyone know what kind of turnout is expected?

Nobody's perfect.

Hopefully we'll get a dirty dozen.

TSE is going to be the only Tory in the pub?

Nah, David Herdson is also going to be there.

Private club channels cash for 2015 Tory election war chest

United and Cecil Club ups donations to Tory party constituencies, fuelling debate about lack of transparency.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/tory-donors-united-and-cecil-club-2015-war-chest?CMP=twt_gu

I wonder if Cameron is going to end up making the same "mistakes" as phone hacking.

Start with some reviews, but that wont clearly be enough for the quarters that are already pushing a full inquiry, and he will end up being bounced into that and by that time the terms of reference will mean it s##t will be flying everywhere and it will be totally out of his control*.

* Not saying it should be, but we know that certain politicians were extremely good at getting the terms of references they wanted.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I wonder if Cameron is going to end up making the same "mistakes" as phone hacking.

Start with some reviews, but that wont clearly be enough for the quarters that are already pushing a full inquiry, and he will end up being bounced into that and by that time the terms of reference will mean it s##t will be flying everywhere.

This could turn politics on its head

Now the media storm is starting to whip up, I do find it rather odd how little interest most of the media took in Cyril Smith activities. Credit where credit is due, Channel 4 has been doing some very good investigations and reports.

But wider than that, brief mention here or there and that was it. I would think that a lot of the population are probably still pretty unaware that this major political figure is alleged to be up there with Saville and co in terms of nature, severity and number of abuse claims.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Now the media storm is starting to whip up, I do find it rather odd how little interest most of the media took in Cyril Smith activities. Credit where credit is due, Channel 4 has been doing some very good investigations and reports.

But wider than that, brief mention here or there and that was it. I would think that a lot of the population are probably still pretty unaware that this major political figure is alleged to be up there with Saville and co in terms of nature, severity and number of abuse claims.

I think that you may be conflating substantial and major. Fwiw, my wife, who met him when at school (adjacent constituency) has nothing good to say about him. Of course, it's possible that she was at a girls school, so may have been of less general interest.

Whatever happened to the Ilkley Lads?

James Millar ‏@PoliticalYeti 7m

Also in @Sunday_Post tomorrow the latest #indyref poll. It's got some unexpected findings...

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

NickPalmer said:

Didn't think today's canvass showed any particular movement - I'm a bit sceptical of the various recent movements in both directions, and think Labour is stable at 3-4 points ahead, though the Tories have got a bit back from UKIP.

I had a classic flaky "promise" today: "I really don't like Labour. But after something Maggie did in the 1970s I swore I'd never vote Tory again, though I can't now remember what it was. So I voted LibDem for 30 years but in government they're rubbish. UKIP and Greens are nuts. I'm desperate, so I suppose I'll have to vote for you. Hang on! Will there be a Monster Raving Loony candidate?"

Should we knock him up on polling day? Hmm.

A Palmer canvassing anecdote featuring a good natured floating voter that has opted for Labour with UKIP on the slide?

Get right out of town?!!

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

A story as yet without any visible evidence from 1983? Why should this benefit UKIP - for all any of us know there may be historic or present day UKIPippers involved.

isam said:

NickPalmer said:

Didn't think today's canvass showed any particular movement - I'm a bit sceptical of the various recent movements in both directions, and think Labour is stable at 3-4 points ahead, though the Tories have got a bit back from UKIP.

I had a classic flaky "promise" today: "I really don't like Labour. But after something Maggie did in the 1970s I swore I'd never vote Tory again, though I can't now remember what it was. So I voted LibDem for 30 years but in government they're rubbish. UKIP and Greens are nuts. I'm desperate, so I suppose I'll have to vote for you. Hang on! Will there be a Monster Raving Loony candidate?"

Should we knock him up on polling day? Hmm.

A Palmer canvassing anecdote featuring a good natured floating voter that has opted for Labour with UKIP on the slide?

Get right out of town?!!

Particularly bad news for UKIP seeing as it is one of their target seats.

Extra time looms - 0-0 Holland v Costa Rica

isam said:

Neil said:

isam said:

NickPalmer said:

Didn't think today's canvass showed any particular movement - I'm a bit sceptical of the various recent movements in both directions, and think Labour is stable at 3-4 points ahead, though the Tories have got a bit back from UKIP.

I had a classic flaky "promise" today: "I really don't like Labour. But after something Maggie did in the 1970s I swore I'd never vote Tory again, though I can't now remember what it was. So I voted LibDem for 30 years but in government they're rubbish. UKIP and Greens are nuts. I'm desperate, so I suppose I'll have to vote for you. Hang on! Will there be a Monster Raving Loony candidate?"

Should we knock him up on polling day? Hmm.

A Palmer canvassing anecdote featuring a good natured floating voter that has opted for Labour with UKIP on the slide?

Get right out of town?!!

Particularly bad news for UKIP seeing as it is one of their target seats.

No it isn't (one of their target seats)

Hmm It definitely appeared on some sort of UKIP list around the time of the Euros. I remember myself and quite a few other PBers remarked that it looked an odd one. It definitely did appear on a list alongside Thurrock, Great Yarmouth, Castle Point, Thanet South etc...

I'll join Dan Hodges along the mall if UKIP take Broxtowe though.

isam said:

Neil said:

isam said:

NickPalmer said:

Didn't think today's canvass showed any particular movement - I'm a bit sceptical of the various recent movements in both directions, and think Labour is stable at 3-4 points ahead, though the Tories have got a bit back from UKIP.

I had a classic flaky "promise" today: "I really don't like Labour. But after something Maggie did in the 1970s I swore I'd never vote Tory again, though I can't now remember what it was. So I voted LibDem for 30 years but in government they're rubbish. UKIP and Greens are nuts. I'm desperate, so I suppose I'll have to vote for you. Hang on! Will there be a Monster Raving Loony candidate?"

Should we knock him up on polling day? Hmm.

A Palmer canvassing anecdote featuring a good natured floating voter that has opted for Labour with UKIP on the slide?

Get right out of town?!!

Particularly bad news for UKIP seeing as it is one of their target seats.

No it isn't (one of their target seats)

It's one of the seats being considered for targeting. Not great either way!

Flightpath said:

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Papers going big on the story we need to be careful about...but already been dubbed "Parliament Child Sex Scandal" by the newspapers.

I wouldn't like to have any money on the GE if more information starts to come to light, where it starts, goes and ends up, who knows. Papers already joining various dots from historic known individuals, PIE, etc etc etc.

Indy - Exclusive: Leon Brittan questioned by police over rape allegation"

Telegraph - Parliament child sex scandal: 114 lost files"

If this story has legs I think any hope on the part of the established parties that UKIP's share might drop below 10% by May next year will evaporate.

A story as yet without any visible evidence from 1983? Why should this benefit UKIP - for all any of us know there may be historic or present day UKIPippers involved.

UKIP's main appeal is contempt with the established parties as a whole. Anything that accentuates that sentiment benefits the purples IMO.

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