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They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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I can't get a haircut, go to any number of shops, have a cup of tea in cafe, travel any distance from my house, or go out for pretty much any reason other than exercise or propping up elderly relatives. Most importantly, children aren't in school.Anabobazina said:
Given that, journalists asking about going on holiday is ... rather annoying.5 -
cnuts.SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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As the actress said to the bishop.dixiedean said:Wow. That was quick.
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That's terrible - hope he pulls through.AlwaysSinging said:
That would be a little disappointing. More death and disease would be prevented by getting on with some of groups 5-6 now, but if you're right then politics is causing them to do the suboptimal thing. At least it's not a huge difference and hopefully they will be increasing the rate soon.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.
On a personal note, one (not very close) member of my family is now on a ventilator, and being considered for ECMO. He's only 40, wife and two kids.
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Ye p - I think next week this will be widespread.Fysics_Teacher said:
My GP sent out a notice asking anyone in group (tier? cohort? what is the correct term?) 5 to get in touch.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.0 -
Stupid to ask questions when you know what the Government is going to say:Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8wEo3ZdFdg
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That's horrible - hope it works out okAlwaysSinging said:
That would be a little disappointing. More death and disease would be prevented by getting on with some of groups 5-6 now, but if you're right then politics is causing them to do the suboptimal thing. At least it's not a huge difference and hopefully they will be increasing the rate soon.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.
On a personal note, one (not very close) member of my family is now on a ventilator, and being considered for ECMO. He's only 40, wife and two kids.
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You have a chance to ask a question directly to the PM and the country's top boffin. A very privileged position.Anabobazina said:
Do you ask about vaccine efficacy? Do you ask about new variants? Do you ask about safeguards, the functionality of Test & Trace or secondary impacts on the functioning of the NHS? No. You say "When can I book my summer holiday?" That's what is wrong with it.7 -
How long before someone demands it be called "People Force"?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Doctors are usually terrible at administering injections. Give me a nurse any day.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I believe both France and Spain from what I have read on here.Fysics_Teacher said:
I'm beginning to think we do vaccinations pretty well as a country. One of the big advantages of the NHS.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep my son had his Yr 9 jabs a couple of weeks ago. All very efficient and quickly (and safely) done at the school. In and out in a few minutes.Fysics_Teacher said:
Vaccinations for children have carried on during lockdown. We had the Y9s in (one at a time) a few weeks ago to get which ever jab they were due under normal circumstances.FrancisUrquhart said:Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has claimed it's 'perfectly possible' the UK will be giving coronavirus vaccines to children by the end of the year.
Get those little plague spreaders jabbed....
Did I read that in some countries they were insisting that it had to be a doctor doing it, or was that just my imagination (which is entirely possible)?2 -
IME the very last person you want doing any sort of injection or blood test is a doctorFysics_Teacher said:
I'm beginning to think we do vaccinations pretty well as a country. One of the big advantages of the NHS.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep my son had his Yr 9 jabs a couple of weeks ago. All very efficient and quickly (and safely) done at the school. In and out in a few minutes.Fysics_Teacher said:
Vaccinations for children have carried on during lockdown. We had the Y9s in (one at a time) a few weeks ago to get which ever jab they were due under normal circumstances.FrancisUrquhart said:Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has claimed it's 'perfectly possible' the UK will be giving coronavirus vaccines to children by the end of the year.
Get those little plague spreaders jabbed....
Did I read that in some countries they were insisting that it had to be a doctor doing it, or was that just my imagination (which is entirely possible)?0 -
Asking them in February? In the middle of a pandemic. Very reasonable.Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.0 -
They could mitigate that by opening it up to groups 5-6 and simultaneously launching an information campaign to reach anyone in the higher priority groups who hasn't yet been vaccinated, maybe with a mobile squad to come out to people who can't easily get to a vaccination centre.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.0 -
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Sorry to hear that and I hope they pull through. One of the reasons I was so happy to be jabbed today.AlwaysSinging said:
That would be a little disappointing. More death and disease would be prevented by getting on with some of groups 5-6 now, but if you're right then politics is causing them to do the suboptimal thing. At least it's not a huge difference and hopefully they will be increasing the rate soon.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.
On a personal note, one (not very close) member of my family is now on a ventilator, and being considered for ECMO. He's only 40, wife and two kids.
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I'd love to be wrong about the jabbing, but it was really stark how quiet they were this week, and being directly told they wanted to drag people of the street to jab them.*
*Tricky - the racecourse is 3 miles out of Bath, but the thought stands!1 -
'Mail Violence', shurely?MrEd said:
How long before someone demands it be called "People Force"?CarlottaVance said:0 -
SKS gets a Q on holidays, and uses it as an opportunity to bash the government. Well done!0
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If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.2 -
Very persuasive mix of video and advocacy from the Dems impeachment team0
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SandyRentool said:
BBC still banging on about holidays
So what?0 -
Anecdotally I know several people in the 65-69 cohort in different health authorities now jabbed. How much double counting is there in the JCVI groupings I wonder.
You start to think that plenty of people with an age beginning 4 will be done next calendar month.0 -
People who live somewhere they really love (eg Wales) are just not interested in holidays at all.Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
It seems it is mainly the Londoners who can't want to get out of the place & go on their skiing holidays or their cheap holiday in the Sun.
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The local heroin addict probably does a better job. My ex-gf is a doctor, when she was a student she said the actual doctors got the medical students to do anything with needles because they'd all forgotten how to do it.rcs1000 said:
Doctors are usually terrible at administering injections. Give me a nurse any day.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I believe both France and Spain from what I have read on here.Fysics_Teacher said:
I'm beginning to think we do vaccinations pretty well as a country. One of the big advantages of the NHS.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep my son had his Yr 9 jabs a couple of weeks ago. All very efficient and quickly (and safely) done at the school. In and out in a few minutes.Fysics_Teacher said:
Vaccinations for children have carried on during lockdown. We had the Y9s in (one at a time) a few weeks ago to get which ever jab they were due under normal circumstances.FrancisUrquhart said:Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has claimed it's 'perfectly possible' the UK will be giving coronavirus vaccines to children by the end of the year.
Get those little plague spreaders jabbed....
Did I read that in some countries they were insisting that it had to be a doctor doing it, or was that just my imagination (which is entirely possible)?0 -
My favourite 'doctors being bad at a job' is phlebotomy. During my leukemia treatment I regularly had peripheral bloods taken. Easy with a line in, harder when they need to bleed a vein. Hospital phlebotomists, who have one job to do, many times a day, were routinely brilliant. Some doctors, not so much. One junior doc tried 5 (yes five) different locations to get about 10 mL of blood. Both arms, a foot, and two hands. Frankly embarassing.rcs1000 said:
Doctors are usually terrible at administering injections. Give me a nurse any day.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I believe both France and Spain from what I have read on here.Fysics_Teacher said:
I'm beginning to think we do vaccinations pretty well as a country. One of the big advantages of the NHS.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep my son had his Yr 9 jabs a couple of weeks ago. All very efficient and quickly (and safely) done at the school. In and out in a few minutes.Fysics_Teacher said:
Vaccinations for children have carried on during lockdown. We had the Y9s in (one at a time) a few weeks ago to get which ever jab they were due under normal circumstances.FrancisUrquhart said:Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has claimed it's 'perfectly possible' the UK will be giving coronavirus vaccines to children by the end of the year.
Get those little plague spreaders jabbed....
Did I read that in some countries they were insisting that it had to be a doctor doing it, or was that just my imagination (which is entirely possible)?0 -
Bullshit.YBarddCwsc said:
People who live somewhere they really love (eg Wales) are just not interested in holidays at all.Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
It seems it is mainly the Londoners who can't want to get out of the place & go on their skiing holidays or their cheap holiday in the Sun.1 -
Now, I was under the impression that the thousand per day figure referred to the estimated number of incomers from the current red list countries, not the totality. I'm sure I read elsewhere that there's more like 10,000 per day still coming in through the airports. God alone knows who they all are, but regardless, it would be best to do what the Scottish Government has done and simply have quarantine for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am pleased as you did seem very stressed but that is understandableBlack_Rook said:
I'm feeling more positive again about the vaccines, and to be honest I over-reacted when the bad news from South Africa came out. I think a lot of us are getting worn down by this, some at a faster rate than others. There have also been a lot of genuine setbacks throughout this rotten experience, and I keep expecting more to roll along.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks as if you can relax now after today's good news on AZNBlack_Rook said:
A large fraction of the population, I would imagine - hence the endless questions.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
On which topic - I remain concerned about the borders. No amount of good work here will help if we import a vaccine-evading variant and it runs amok.
As far as our borders are concerned the predicted reduction to just 1,000 daily arrivals across the UK, with pre flight tests plus 2 test over 8 days, should be manageable
It always bears repeating that lockdown is such a disaster that most means - including measures like prohibiting foreign holidays into the medium term, which will gut important parts of the economy - can be justified.5 -
Anecdote vs. data.Anabobazina said:
If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.0 -
Anaesthetists tend to be OK, though some are much better than others.IanB2 said:
IME the very last person you want doing any sort of injection or blood test is a doctorFysics_Teacher said:
I'm beginning to think we do vaccinations pretty well as a country. One of the big advantages of the NHS.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep my son had his Yr 9 jabs a couple of weeks ago. All very efficient and quickly (and safely) done at the school. In and out in a few minutes.Fysics_Teacher said:
Vaccinations for children have carried on during lockdown. We had the Y9s in (one at a time) a few weeks ago to get which ever jab they were due under normal circumstances.FrancisUrquhart said:Professor Jonathan Van-Tam has claimed it's 'perfectly possible' the UK will be giving coronavirus vaccines to children by the end of the year.
Get those little plague spreaders jabbed....
Did I read that in some countries they were insisting that it had to be a doctor doing it, or was that just my imagination (which is entirely possible)?0 -
Yes, it is reasonable to ask.SandyRentool said:
Asking them in February? In the middle of a pandemic. Very reasonable.Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
If you really believe the government aren't modelling this internally, you are a fool.
But actually you aren't a fool, you are just a judgemental authoritarian.0 -
Bit annoyed with my university today. We are told that they "aspire" to return exam results within 20 working days however 20 working days have been and gone and it has been nothing but radio silence.
If I had missed an important customer deadline and not told them in advance there was going to be a problem I would have been sacked.
A short email this morning saying there was going to be a delay would have sufficed. Instead I've spent all day refreshing the results page for no reason.
Another day, another 12 thousand pounds worth of bitterness.0 -
You ask all of those questions. Every day.SandyRentool said:
You have a chance to ask a question directly to the PM and the country's top boffin. A very privileged position.Anabobazina said:
Do you ask about vaccine efficacy? Do you ask about new variants? Do you ask about safeguards, the functionality of Test & Trace or secondary impacts on the functioning of the NHS? No. You say "When can I book my summer holiday?" That's what is wrong with it.
All are valid. The idea that people's road to freedom shouldn't be investigated is absolute nonsense.
PB at it's worst.0 -
What about "Mail Privilege"?BluestBlue said:
'Mail Violence', shurely?MrEd said:
How long before someone demands it be called "People Force"?CarlottaVance said:2 -
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.1 -
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
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Yes, but vaccine efficacy and variant questions were asked anyway, so I'm not really seeing the issue. I prefer to see the journalists react to what other journalists have previously asked, rather than steadfastly asking the same question and eliciting the same answer.SandyRentool said:
You have a chance to ask a question directly to the PM and the country's top boffin. A very privileged position.Anabobazina said:
Do you ask about vaccine efficacy? Do you ask about new variants? Do you ask about safeguards, the functionality of Test & Trace or secondary impacts on the functioning of the NHS? No. You say "When can I book my summer holiday?" That's what is wrong with it.
But what's maybe more pertinent rather than hoilidays per se is just general freedoms, as someone said below you can't get a hair cut, can't go out for a meal or a gym session or a swim or meet someone else indoors or whatever.
Pretty reasonable at this stage that there should be pressure to define what the exit plan is, even if tat does just mean getting Boris to say "wait for the 22nd" again.1 -
I don’t think that is true. Living in a holiday destination myself, I love spending the high summer here. But still look forward to travelling Europe in May and September, which are the best months to travel there anyway. My May trip is already booked (on free cancellation terms) and is right now looking distinctly 50:50.YBarddCwsc said:
People who live somewhere they really love (eg Wales) are just not interested in holidays at all.Anabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
It seems it is mainly the Londoners who can't want to get out of the place & go on their skiing holidays or their cheap holiday in the Sun.0 -
Really interesting, thanks for posting. It does sound like great news, 68% efficacy against symptoms would be close to 100% efficacy against severe symptoms, hospitalisation and death. The government has been absolutely vindicated in its 12 week gap strategy IMO and from the 20th of Feb we'll begin to ramp up second doses as well further ensuring no chance of people being hospitalised.FrancisUrquhart said:Early data from ZOE app about vaccinations,
youtube.com/watch?v=vReTwfEithg0 -
I'd love to see data that mapped that question onto people's views on the world. Is it the Knights of Gammon who are the authoritarian lovers or the Warriors of Woke?Nigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.0 -
Even if only 30% of UK people want to plan a holiday in 2021, that's 20 million people.RobD said:
Anecdote vs. data.Anabobazina said:
If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.
I don't have the data but of those people who normally take holidays, I wonder how many want to take a holiday this year?
Those who never normally take a holiday are irrelevant to this question.
Same phenomenon that shows that people without school age children advocate the closure of schools, and people who never visit pubs advocate the closure of pubs.
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It's absolutely remarkable!DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.0 -
Spot on.solarflare said:
Yes, but vaccine efficacy and variant questions were asked anyway, so I'm not really seeing the issue. I prefer to see the journalists react to what other journalists have previously asked, rather than steadfastly asking the same question and eliciting the same answer.SandyRentool said:
You have a chance to ask a question directly to the PM and the country's top boffin. A very privileged position.Anabobazina said:
Do you ask about vaccine efficacy? Do you ask about new variants? Do you ask about safeguards, the functionality of Test & Trace or secondary impacts on the functioning of the NHS? No. You say "When can I book my summer holiday?" That's what is wrong with it.
But what's maybe more pertinent rather than hoilidays per se is just general freedoms, as someone said below you can't get a hair cut, can't go out for a meal or a gym session or a swim or meet someone else indoors or whatever.
Pretty reasonable at this stage that there should be pressure to define what the exit plan is, even if tat does just mean getting Boris to say "wait for the 22nd" again.0 -
It isn’t impossible that a Senator might vote against the trial then vote to convict. We’ll have to see now risible the defence case proves to be.MrEd said:
It certainly seems like Trump's lawyers had a terrible day but the numbers are just not there. Only 1 more defector and even he seems unlikely to convict.IanB2 said:Very persuasive mix of video and advocacy from the Dems impeachment team
They do all know their votes will go down on history, either way.0 -
On summer holidays, why can't BJ just give a straight answer? Here's his script, easy:
It's too early to say whether summer holidays will be allowed. If you book now, there is a risk that the holiday will not be allowed. That risk is higher for a holiday abroad than for one in the UK; but even UK holidays would be at risk is there is a resurgence in the virus. I really hope that in a few weeks I can give a more positive answer. Carrie and I have not booked a holiday.4 -
The cases will be prosecuted under the Forgery Act. It could be worse - until 1832 forgery carried the death panalty. In 1805 some poor guy called Richard HArding was hanged for forging the stamp duty seal that was required to be carried on packs of playing cards.Nigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.0 -
Looks like they have a lockdown AND a curfew in SA currently.0
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That's an interesting insight. I have a theory that the statue in Bristol was put there deliberately to 'provoke the woke' of the era, because it went up well after slavery abolition, and the caption with it is so unremittingly adoring. There was a big debate at the time between the abolitionist 'chattering classes' and the more red in tooth and claw imperialists (who accused the former group of caring little about the condition of the domestic poor). I didn't think this was a good reason to tear it down though - makes it more interesting historically in my opinion. Contrasting it with a memorial to slaves would have been far more fitting and interesting.FF43 said:Now this IS interesting. Apparently people were already woke way back in 1899. They objected to Cecil Rhodes of statue fame being given an honorary degree by Oxford University because Black Lives Matter
https://twitter.com/AsheLaura/status/13590978741355479070 -
Impeachment managers explaining how Trump set up the case for the election being stolen well in advance of the election.1
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It's a dreadful run of luck when being named Dick Harding turns out to be the least of your misfortunes in life.DougSeal said:
The cases will be prosecuted under the Forgery Act. It could be worse - until 1832 forgery carried the death panalty. In 1805 some poor guy called Richard HArding was hanged for forging the stamp duty seal that was required to be carried on packs of playing cards.Nigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
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He's incapable of giving a straight answer. His whole character is to dither and obfuscate until the very last minute.Northern_Al said:On summer holidays, why can't BJ just give a straight answer? Here's his script, easy:
It's too early to say whether summer holidays will be allowed. If you book now, there is a risk that the holiday will not be allowed. That risk is higher for a holiday abroad than for one in the UK; but even UK holidays would be at risk is there is a resurgence in the virus. I really hope that in a few weeks I can give a more positive answer. Carrie and I have not booked a holiday.4 -
Six O'Clock News leading with holidays (after cladding).
They really are a ****ing disgrace.1 -
More important than holiday travel is business travel. We need to be global Britain - out there making deals.MarqueeMark said:
They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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I just would pose a polite questionAnabobazina said:
Even if only 30% of UK people want to plan a holiday in 2021, that's 20 million people.RobD said:
Anecdote vs. data.Anabobazina said:
If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.
I don't have the data but of those people who normally take holidays, I wonder how many want to take a holiday this year?
Those who never normally take a holiday are irrelevant to this question.
Same phenomenon that shows that people without school age children advocate the closure of schools, and people who never visit pubs advocate the closure of pubs.
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As we know, this populist government takes a lot of notice of polls and focus groups. Trouble is the majority of individuals who participate in both don`t go abroad every year. There must be a high degree of resentment against those who do in these polls. I effing hate populism. 51% say ten years is about right? 13% not harsh enough? Unbelievable. What a shite country we live in.Anabobazina said:2 -
It was relaxed about 10 days ago. There is a theory there that the lockdown in the slums there made things worse - people living on top of each other simply cannot socially distance with no-where to go - which has resulted in early signs of herd immunity. That theory will be tested within the next week if cases start to go back up again as a result of that relaxation.Gallowgate said:Looks like they have a lockdown AND a curfew in SA currently.
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I might be entirely wrong on this but all the data, anecdotal stuff etc suggests there would be a very large block of GOP voters who would look very dimly on any Republican Senator who voted for impeachment. Of the 5 often cited as the anti-Trump block, one is retiring (Toomey), three come from states where they have strong enough bases to reject Trump (Romney, Collins and Murkowski) with only one (arguably) at risk from de-selection (Sasse).IanB2 said:
It isn’t impossible that a Senator might vote against the trial then vote to convict. We’ll have to see now risible the defence case proves to be.MrEd said:
It certainly seems like Trump's lawyers had a terrible day but the numbers are just not there. Only 1 more defector and even he seems unlikely to convict.IanB2 said:Very persuasive mix of video and advocacy from the Dems impeachment team
They do all know their votes will go down on history, either way.
There is also a large block of people on the right who said Trump's speech was inflammatory and that his claims of election fraud were wrong but are also against this trial because they see it as double standards. Why single out Trump's words they say when people like Kamala Harris were using words that could similarly be interpreted as inciting violence and trouble. Which is why Rand Paul is talking about impeaching Chuck Schumer for his words about Kavanaugh and the other justices on the steps of the SC and where Judge Roberts rebuked Schumer.0 -
The laughter you hear is from Barnard's Castle.
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Actually Liz Truss is doing just thatJonathanD said:
More important than holiday travel is business travel. We need to be global Britain - out there making deals.MarqueeMark said:
They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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Ed.MrEd said:
How long before someone demands it be called "People Force"?CarlottaVance said:0 -
I want to take a holiday abroad. I normally travel several times a year. I even managed to get away twice last year. I expect I will be able to go on holiday this year. I don't know where, I don't know when. I will make plans (much) closer to the event. Seems a reasonable attitude to me. Airlines and hoteliers will be desperate for customers and there should be plenty of good short notice deals available.Anabobazina said:
Even if only 30% of UK people want to plan a holiday in 2021, that's 20 million people.RobD said:
Anecdote vs. data.Anabobazina said:
If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.
I don't have the data but of those people who normally take holidays, I wonder how many want to take a holiday this year?
Those who never normally take a holiday are irrelevant to this question.
Same phenomenon that shows that people without school age children advocate the closure of schools, and people who never visit pubs advocate the closure of pubs.0 -
Radio 6 playing Underworld Second Toughest in the Infants in full. I am happy.
Teenager is not impressed.1 -
I think this is aimed at the court of public opinion rather than the Senate. I wonder how he managed to stay out of trouble for so long given the quality of legal representation he has been getting.MrEd said:
It certainly seems like Trump's lawyers had a terrible day but the numbers are just not there. Only 1 more defector and even he seems unlikely to convict.IanB2 said:Very persuasive mix of video and advocacy from the Dems impeachment team
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I find the different case and death curves we see fascinating. If I ever finish some things I am working on, I have some ideas about analysing this vast data.DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.0 -
Under-70s are being done in some areas, some friends have been called in for their jabs in Farnhamturbotubbs said:
Sorry to hear that and I hope they pull through. One of the reasons I was so happy to be jabbed today.AlwaysSinging said:
That would be a little disappointing. More death and disease would be prevented by getting on with some of groups 5-6 now, but if you're right then politics is causing them to do the suboptimal thing. At least it's not a huge difference and hopefully they will be increasing the rate soon.turbotubbs said:
Having spoken to staff at the vaccine site in Bath, I now believe we are trying hard to ensure NO-ONE in categories 1-4 has not had the chance of a jab by the 15th, to prevent the inevitable wankers in the media proclaiming Government lies about vaccination, when they claim to have done all in 1-4. (Awful sentence construction...).Anabobazina said:It will be quite close, but I think the government should beat the target by approx 300k, assuming no more acceleration. It might reach 15 million by Sunday without requiring the final counting day on Monday.
If it has a bumper weekend, it could smash the target.
They could clearly have done many more in Bath this week, but I think they are holding back from calling say over 65 or over 60s up until the 1-4 are complete.
On a personal note, one (not very close) member of my family is now on a ventilator, and being considered for ECMO. He's only 40, wife and two kids.
--AS
I'd love to be wrong about the jabbing, but it was really stark how quiet they were this week, and being directly told they wanted to drag people of the street to jab them.*
*Tricky - the racecourse is 3 miles out of Bath, but the thought stands!0 -
For some, closing the borders is not so much a requirement of fighting Covid as a substantial fringe benefit.Stocky said:
As we know, this populist government takes a lot of notice of polls and focus groups. Trouble is the majority of individuals who participate in both don`t go abroad every year. There must be a high degree of resentment against those who do in these polls. I effing hate populism. 51% say ten years is about right? 13% not harsh enough? Unbelievable. What a shite country we live in.Anabobazina said:2 -
One of the things about Colston and others is that, even in their own time let alone subsequently, they were controversial figures. Slavery had been illegal in Britain for centuries, and everyone (them included) knew they were involved in a dark (albeit technically legal) business involving the abduction and trafficking of human beings, in the course of which death was common and misery guaranteed.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's an interesting insight. I have a theory that the statue in Bristol was put there deliberately to 'provoke the woke' of the era, because it went up well after slavery abolition, and the caption with it is so unremittingly adoring. There was a big debate at the time between the abolitionist 'chattering classes' and the more red in tooth and claw imperialists (who accused the former group of caring little about the condition of the domestic poor). I didn't think this was a good reason to tear it down though - makes it more interesting historically in my opinion. Contrasting it with a memorial to slaves would have been far more fitting and interesting.FF43 said:Now this IS interesting. Apparently people were already woke way back in 1899. They objected to Cecil Rhodes of statue fame being given an honorary degree by Oxford University because Black Lives Matter
https://twitter.com/AsheLaura/status/1359097874135547907
They weren't the victims of changing fashions that meant that long after their deaths people decided they were dodgy in a way they couldn't possibly have predicted. They were always dodgy, and their philanthropy was largely about buying a sort of civic respectability that everyone knew their behaviour didn't merit.
No doubt there are individuals who fall into the category of being victims of changing fashions. But they certainly aren't all like that, and Colston is a good example. And I'd not defend vandalism, but Bristol City Council did have decades to sort out a readily resolvable matter in a diverse city, and did a bloody useless job of listening to people and sorting it out.3 -
I do wonder how much of the differences you'd see are just artefacts in how countries collect and report data. My experience suggests that datasets from different countries are hard to compare at the best of times, even if they've ostensibly been compiled by the same people using a consistent methodology.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the different case and death curves we see fascinating. If I ever finish some things I am working on, I have some ideas about analysing this vast data.DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.0 -
A lot of lawyers have been effectively scared off working for Trump because any who do will face a serious stain against their future careerDougSeal said:
I think this is aimed at the court of public opinion rather than the Senate. I wonder how he managed to stay out of trouble for so long given the quality of legal representation he has been getting.MrEd said:
It certainly seems like Trump's lawyers had a terrible day but the numbers are just not there. Only 1 more defector and even he seems unlikely to convict.IanB2 said:Very persuasive mix of video and advocacy from the Dems impeachment team
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Upto 10 years for breaking the rules is ridiculous, but i doubt we are going to see a single person get anywhere near that. A few months at most I reckon, unless they are literally found to be constantly doing this like some cross between Simon Caulder and Piers Corbyn.0
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Someone on social media re above:HYUFD said:
"Average night in prison costs £118 to a UK tax payer.
£430,700 overall cost to tax payers. "0 -
I'm not too bothered about haircuts, shopping or cafes. I quite like working from home. I rather miss the pub, and holidays, though. We all have different things we are missing.Flatlander said:
I can't get a haircut, go to any number of shops, have a cup of tea in cafe, travel any distance from my house, or go out for pretty much any reason other than exercise or propping up elderly relatives. Most importantly, children aren't in school.Anabobazina said:
Given that, journalists asking about going on holiday is ... rather annoying.1 -
Running a country based on the opinions of people living in Boston, Lincs, is almost certainly a sub optimal strategy.kinabalu said:
For some, closing the borders is not so much a requirement of fighting Covid as a substantial fringe benefit.Stocky said:
As we know, this populist government takes a lot of notice of polls and focus groups. Trouble is the majority of individuals who participate in both don`t go abroad every year. There must be a high degree of resentment against those who do in these polls. I effing hate populism. 51% say ten years is about right? 13% not harsh enough? Unbelievable. What a shite country we live in.Anabobazina said:1 -
That's one of the things i am interested in looking into.Endillion said:
I do wonder how much of the differences you'd see are just artefacts in how countries collect and report data. My experience suggests that datasets from different countries are hard to compare at the best of times, even if they've ostensibly been compiled by the same people using a consistent methodology.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the different case and death curves we see fascinating. If I ever finish some things I am working on, I have some ideas about analysing this vast data.DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.1 -
So what yourself - you seem to care more about this issue than anyone, so why care if others also care but take a different stance? Saying everyone is the worst for it is an oddly judgey stance to take as well.Anabobazina said:
So what?SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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Spain's is an odd one.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the different case and death curves we see fascinating. If I ever finish some things I am working on, I have some ideas about analysing this vast data.DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.0 -
Absolutely right. You`re going up in estimation these days! (I`d now do a smiley thing and a wink emoji but I don`t know how.)kinabalu said:
For some, closing the borders is not so much a requirement of fighting Covid as a substantial fringe benefit.Stocky said:
As we know, this populist government takes a lot of notice of polls and focus groups. Trouble is the majority of individuals who participate in both don`t go abroad every year. There must be a high degree of resentment against those who do in these polls. I effing hate populism. 51% say ten years is about right? 13% not harsh enough? Unbelievable. What a shite country we live in.Anabobazina said:2 -
I hope they are all having a laugh, but have an awful feeling some of themNigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.
aren't.
What should be the max penalty for failing to renew a TV licence? Limb removal? 25 years? Death? £100,000 fine? It might be worth a try to see what answers you get.
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It does strike me that the reaction to this pandemic is probably one unique to our age. In the Spanish Flu pandemic there were grim statistics piling up in your newspaper every morning but they were just that - statistics. You see the same thing in Defoe's "Journal of the Plague Year" (although he wrote it after the event) but here we have the immediacy of the visual representation of actual people, rather than numbers, beamed to our screens 24/7. You see the lives behind the statistics. That has informed the government's reaction in a way that it would not have done in earlier generations. I reckon as recently as the 90s a lockdown of this severity would not have happened - hell before 2005 how many people could work from home using dial-up?0
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It was asked and clearly answered at the Downing Street briefing. Boris supported Grant.Anabobazina said:
Even if only 30% of UK people want to plan a holiday in 2021, that's 20 million people.RobD said:
Anecdote vs. data.Anabobazina said:
If my friends' WhatsApp group is anything to go by, absolutely.RobD said:
Are people really clamouring for this? Polls suggest otherwise.Anabobazina said:I didn't see the presser but the idea that journalists shouldn't ask the question is:
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
This is a major issue that is exercising the mind of much of the public, and with good reason.
PBers has a hugely disproportion faction that aren't bothered about getting away.
People in low-risk groups 50 and under, and with families, are wanting to get away. Not now, but in the summer, even if it's within the UK.
It is absolutely valid that these questions are asked and that pressure is kept up on the government.
There is a hugely disproportionate representation on PB of people who are relatively sanguine about lockdown, aren't bothered about holidays and rarely get out much even in normal times.
The judgemental attitude on here is nauseating.
Nothing wrong with wanting a holiday – wanting something to look forward to.
I hope the questions continue to be asked, regularly.
I don't have the data but of those people who normally take holidays, I wonder how many want to take a holiday this year?
Those who never normally take a holiday are irrelevant to this question.
Same phenomenon that shows that people without school age children advocate the closure of schools, and people who never visit pubs advocate the closure of pubs.
In fact with the “it’s currently illegal” opening line on the hymn sheet they are both clearly on message almost word for word. Don’t book any holiday of any kind just yet.
And to defend Matt Hancock (old library footage of him) as well, maybe thinking has changed in the last week or so.
So it’s not flip flopping, just cautious and not getting ahead of itself on messaging.
Nor is it a muddled message. Don’t book anything now at all.
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On topic but a little nerdy or geeky. There will be a reduction from 10 to 2 for nominations for candidates. But this year we will have a lot of multiple election in many wards. Can the same 2 people nominate more than one candidate?0
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I read about some business meetings on the Tyrolean ski slopes last week, followed by some hard bargaining over a meal and drinks in the evening at a business only hotel.JonathanD said:
More important than holiday travel is business travel. We need to be global Britain - out there making deals.MarqueeMark said:
They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
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Castration. And having your head then cut off and mounted on Broadcasting House, above the main door. The plinth of the Epstein statue would do nicely. Just add an abatis of sharpened stakes ready for the first comers.algarkirk said:
I hope they are all having a laugh, but have an awful feeling some of themNigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.
aren't.
What should be the max penalty for failing to renew a TV licence? Limb removal? 25 years? Death? £100,000 fine? It might be worth a try to see what answers you get.0 -
Farr's Law is probably a fallacy but, globally, if there is any truth in it, the pandemic should be coming to an end in about 10 months from now.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the different case and death curves we see fascinating. If I ever finish some things I am working on, I have some ideas about analysing this vast data.DougSeal said:
Time for my daily reminder that SA, new variant or no, is significantly closer to ending the epidemic within its own border than the United Kingdom isAnabobazina said:SandyRentool said:
Summer in Cape Town or Rio?IshmaelZ said:
I do. I want to be somewhere hot.RobD said:
It's a dumb question. Who on earth wants to go on a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic?Scott_xP said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1359551718594338821
PB. They shouldn't ask that question..!!!
Obviously not, you do write some facetious shite.
How about France in June half term or Majorca in September? These are reasonable questions to ask even if the answer is no.
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I knew someone would say something like that. I didn`t expect it to be you though, Max.MaxPB said:
We`re never getting out of this are we. UK is starting to feel like prison.1 -
OK, I could have added "minus two days" to my quote to cater for schools in England. But I'm also mindful that Johnson has said something to the effect that other restrictions will not be eased until AFTER schools are back, so that's more than a month, and that's what is going to fracture public consent.Philip_Thompson said:
There's a date in the diary for schools now: 08 March.contrarian said:
Yup. That is Johnson's problem now.Wulfrun_Phil said:
The leading indicator - the daily reported case rate - has dropped to the level of around 4 months ago in early October. Then cases were rising rapidly, now they're falling rapidly. And we're conducting roughly 2.5 times the number of tests than we did then, so there will be more false positives in the latest figures, as well as more true positives being revealed just due to the volume of testing.CarlottaVance said:Tests levelling off....
The death rate by actual date of death is now well below the peak of last Spring and also falling at a much faster rate.
If this positive trend continues unchanged for much longer, I don't think the Government will be able to maintain the line that things should stay exactly as they are for at least another month.
Looks like Sturgeon and Drakeford were right on schools.
For most normal people once there's a date in the diary people can and will plan for that date - there won't be much pressure whatsoever to change the date once the date is in the diary because people will be setting their plans for that date. Schools will be putting plans in place for that date already.
If there was no date then of course people would be wanting something said, but that ship has sailed now. There's a date - its a few weeks off, but people have it in their diary and will work towards that. Chopping and changing that now isn't going to happen. It would really mess schools around to change it now.
Why for example is any form of outdoor recreation still going to be banned until what looks like mid-March based on current pronouncements? Even those sports involving just two people that are naturally socially distanced such as pairs golf and singles tennis, which would take place in areas which are currently deserted as people all crowd into the same public parks instead. (In contrast to jogging and cycling which seem designed to maximise the rate of contacts with people albeit fleeting ones.) Or how about just being able to sit down a suitable distance with both of your (vaccinated) parents in a public park? There are many marginal restrictions that were questionable in the first place and which could be brought back now to make the misery of lockdown just a bit more tolerable. The failure to countenance any relaxation whatsoever for another month risks undermining adherence to the rules in general.1 -
BBC News - Covid: Care staff vaccinations 'lagging behind target'
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All of the above. In order....algarkirk said:
I hope they are all having a laugh, but have an awful feeling some of themNigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.
aren't.
What should be the max penalty for failing to renew a TV licence? Limb removal? 25 years? Death? £100,000 fine? It might be worth a try to see what answers you get.
1) £100,000 fine
2) Limb removal
3) 25 years
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Never mind the TV licence, what about pineapple on pizza?!algarkirk said:
I hope they are all having a laugh, but have an awful feeling some of themNigelb said:
13% not harsh enough ?HYUFD said:
You can see why authoritarian regimes have no problem finding bodies to do the enforcing.
aren't.
What should be the max penalty for failing to renew a TV licence? Limb removal? 25 years? Death? £100,000 fine? It might be worth a try to see what answers you get.0 -
"Slavery had been illegal in Britain for centuries" is kinda not the point, cos that's not where the money was. I think slave trade related activity was much more mainstream than you suggest: who was building and manning the (specially designed) slave ships, forging the shackles to put the slaves in and producing the trade goods with which they were bought, and consuming the tea and sugar from the plantations?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
One of the things about Colston and others is that, even in their own time let alone subsequently, they were controversial figures. Slavery had been illegal in Britain for centuries, and everyone (them included) knew they were involved in a dark (albeit technically legal) business involving the abduction and trafficking of human beings, in the course of which death was common and misery guaranteed.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's an interesting insight. I have a theory that the statue in Bristol was put there deliberately to 'provoke the woke' of the era, because it went up well after slavery abolition, and the caption with it is so unremittingly adoring. There was a big debate at the time between the abolitionist 'chattering classes' and the more red in tooth and claw imperialists (who accused the former group of caring little about the condition of the domestic poor). I didn't think this was a good reason to tear it down though - makes it more interesting historically in my opinion. Contrasting it with a memorial to slaves would have been far more fitting and interesting.FF43 said:Now this IS interesting. Apparently people were already woke way back in 1899. They objected to Cecil Rhodes of statue fame being given an honorary degree by Oxford University because Black Lives Matter
https://twitter.com/AsheLaura/status/1359097874135547907
They weren't the victims of changing fashions that meant that long after their deaths people decided they were dodgy in a way they couldn't possibly have predicted. They were always dodgy, and their philanthropy was largely about buying a sort of civic respectability that everyone knew their behaviour didn't merit.
No doubt there are individuals who fall into the category of being victims of changing fashions. But they certainly aren't all like that, and Colston is a good example. And I'd not defend vandalism, but Bristol City Council did have decades to sort out a readily resolvable matter in a diverse city, and did a bloody useless job of listening to people and sorting it out.
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“ immediacy of the visual representation of actual people, as cats , beamed to our screens 24/7. “DougSeal said:It does strike me that the reaction to this pandemic is probably one unique to our age. In the Spanish Flu pandemic there were grim statistics piling up in your newspaper every morning but they were just that - statistics. You see the same thing in Defoe's "Journal of the Plague Year" (although he wrote it after the event) but here we have the immediacy of the visual representation of actual people, rather than numbers, beamed to our screens 24/7. You see the lives behind the statistics. That has informed the government's reaction in a way that it would not have done in earlier generations. I reckon as recently as the 90s a lockdown of this severity would not have happened - hell before 2005 how many people could work from home using dial-up?
Corrected it for you. 😃
Maybe Spanish Flu is poor bench mark because of the distraction of the war? E.g. without the war on would response have been exactly the same.0 -
Nice try.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually Liz Truss is doing just thatJonathanD said:
More important than holiday travel is business travel. We need to be global Britain - out there making deals.MarqueeMark said:
They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
I'm still smarting at her cars for cheese contra deal with the lactose intolerant Japanese.0 -
No, we want to get out of this as soon as humanly possible. Given that the importation of a new vaccine-resistant strain at this point could mean the difference between opening back up and endless lockdown for the whole country, like any good (temporary) Benthamite I think we can briefly curtail the frivolities of the few to ensure the freedom of the many.Stocky said:
I knew someone would say something like that. I didn`t expect it to be you though, Max.MaxPB said:
We`re never getting out of this are we. UK is starting to feel like prison.1 -
There's no lactose in cheeseMexicanpete said:
Nice try.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually Liz Truss is doing just thatJonathanD said:
More important than holiday travel is business travel. We need to be global Britain - out there making deals.MarqueeMark said:
They understand holibobs.....SandyRentool said:BBC still banging on about holidays
I'm still smarting at her cars for cheese contra deal with the lactose intolerant Japanese.0 -
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