I am directly descended from the estimated 20,000 Homo sapiens - the population of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire - who crossed from Africa to Europe many years ago. I am therefore black. Soz. I mean, Black
But you say I am not BLACK like Kamala Harris. How do you know? Perhaps you could check me against a colour chart, or put a pencil in my hair? I have no idea.
Because I've seen what you look like.
You couldn't be any more white if your name was Whitey McWhiteface.
I'm also rather surprised to learn that the people of Tewkesbury are all sub-Saharan Africans by birth. They looked pretty peely-wally (anglice: pallid) when I went through there some years back.
The abbey is lovely. Great for summer picnics, Beware the indigenous population, however. Primitive
They do paddle quite a bit in the winter when the Severn and the other river flood.
I am directly descended from the estimated 20,000 Homo sapiens - the population of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire - who crossed from Africa to Europe many years ago. I am therefore black. Soz. I mean, Black
But you say I am not BLACK like Kamala Harris. How do you know? Perhaps you could check me against a colour chart, or put a pencil in my hair? I have no idea.
Because I've seen what you look like.
You couldn't be any more white if your name was Whitey McWhiteface.
Seriously. You say Kamala Harris is Black. How do you know? And how would you check?
Mate, you've painted yourself into a corner. I doubt even you believe your own argument. Time to let it go.
I am directly descended from the estimated 20,000 Homo sapiens - the population of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire - who crossed from Africa to Europe many years ago. I am therefore black. Soz. I mean, Black
But you say I am not BLACK like Kamala Harris. How do you know? Perhaps you could check me against a colour chart, or put a pencil in my hair? I have no idea.
Because I've seen what you look like.
You couldn't be any more white if your name was Whitey McWhiteface.
Seriously. You say Kamala Harris is Black. How do you know? And how would you check?
Mate, you've painted yourself into a corner. I doubt even you believe your own argument. Time to let it go.
President Biden and Vice President Harris just now heading down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.
Seventy-two years ago, back in 1949, my father was part of the US Marine Corp honor guard at the inauguration of President Harry Truman.
My Daddy Dearest was 19 years old, and thus not old enough to vote in 1948. If he HAD voted, almost certainly he'd have voted for Republican Tom Dewey NOT "Give Em Hell" Harry. Who
Which didn't matter diddly squat to him on that day. For him, it was a proud day - for himself AND for America.
A day like today.
I still think that, flawed though he was, Truman was probably the best President of the 20th century.
Harry Truman certainly rose in public esteem AFTER he was President. Starting from a LOW base as he left the White House, due to the Korean War deadlock, also spy & corruption scandals within his administration.
Indeed, when he left the White House, his (dis)approval rating was even worse than Trumpsky's is today!
On measure of his post-presidential recovery, was the assessment of my GOP grandfather, who habitually referred to Harry's predecessor as "Franklin Goddamn Roosevelt".
When Truman fired MacArthur, Pop Pop thought that he (Truman) deserved to be shot. (His son, my father, felt exactly the opposite.)
However, by the time I rolled around and first emerged as a political pundit (at the age of nine or so) the old old man had changed his tune - that Truman had been right about MacArthur, and maybe a few other things as well. BUT certainly not everything!
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
She's also half Indian, and she isn't African American in any sense that she is descended from a US slave lineage. Like Obama her being half black is closer to someone over here than over there, her experiences as a half Jamaican, half Indian woman will be completely different to an African American living in the deep south getting called a n***** and being threatened for dating outside of their race both by their own race and by others.
Hopefully she can relate to the latter group, but I'm not sure she will at all. Black Americans are still waiting for representation after the disappointment of Obama, the GOP could really throw a huge spanner in the works by nominating an African American candidate for 2024.
Within a few decades we'll all be melting pots of mixed heritages.
I've done my bit on that front.
I think she had mentioned how she got strange looks for having white boyfriends/partners.
There were de facto and de jure laws banning mixed race marriages in America during her lifetime.
Loving v. Virginia was simply wokeistas trying to upset that natural order of things and cause division in the country.
Do we know what gave them that impression? That he thinks he'll be FM before the year is out? Or that he thinks the fishermen will vote for him if he pretends to be agin Mr Johnson?
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
President Biden and Vice President Harris just now heading down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.
Seventy-two years ago, back in 1949, my father was part of the US Marine Corp honor guard at the inauguration of President Harry Truman.
My Daddy Dearest was 19 years old, and thus not old enough to vote in 1948. If he HAD voted, almost certainly he'd have voted for Republican Tom Dewey NOT "Give Em Hell" Harry. Who
Which didn't matter diddly squat to him on that day. For him, it was a proud day - for himself AND for America.
A day like today.
I still think that, flawed though he was, Truman was probably the best President of the 20th century.
Harry Truman certainly rose in public esteem AFTER he was President. Starting from a LOW base as he left the White House, due to the Korean War deadlock, also spy & corruption scandals within his administration.
Indeed, when he left the White House, his (dis)approval rating was even worse than Trumpsky's is today!
On measure of his post-presidential recovery, was the assessment of my GOP grandfather, who habitually referred to Harry's predecessor as "Franklin Goddamn Roosevelt".
When Truman fired MacArthur, Pop Pop thought that he (Truman) deserved to be shot. (His son, my father, felt exactly the opposite.)
However, by the time I rolled around and first emerged as a political pundit (at the age of nine or so) the old old man had changed his tune - that Truman had been right about MacArthur, and maybe a few other things as well. BUT certainly not everything!
Maybe not but listing the things he did do - including the Japan bombs - a lot of his decisions were not easy ones but were the right ones. The founding of the UN and NATO, the Berlin Airlift, the Marshall Plan and of course, perhaps most importantly Desegregation at a time when his party was still dominated by Southern segregationists.
I also like the fact that after he retired he lived off his army pension and refused to take any position in any company or make any endorsement as that would have undermined the integrity of the office of President.
As an aside, BBC TV News' obsessive coverage of the Biden Inauguration is insane. Endless. They are now interviewing some old actor from West Wing, in his house in.... Toronto. He's not even in America.
We pay for this shit.
America is important. Trump is mad. Thank God he's gone. We get it.
But the UK - which the BBC serves - has just experienced its worst day of deaths (a global record, possibly) during a hideous pandemic, which is the greatest national crisis since World War Two, and the worst medical emergency for a century. And the worst recession for 300 years.
Today is possibly Peak Bleak. The nadir. So many dead.
Yet it is unmentioned. Instead, BBC News has nothing but endless footage of empty limousines patrolling the streets of the second most powerful nation on earth, where they had an election.
Would any other country, in a terrible crisis, focus on another country like this? It is Mad. I would defund the BBC for this alone. The American Century is over. Move on.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
In my case it is because I have someone with the surname Black on my phone, someone who I regularly contact.
My phone and iPad regularly capitalises it, ditto for White.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
For the same reason as African American, Latino, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, Native American, White, Non-White, Caucasian. It seems to be the practice when labeling race.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
For the same reason as African American, Latino, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, Native American, White, Non-White, Caucasian. It seems to be the practice when labeling race.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
When it is being used as a "proper noun" rather than an adjective.
Shut today and tomorrow in Chesterfields main centre ran out of vaccine yesterday.
Been told they can only have enough for 3 days next week despite been set up as a 7 day a week operation
As a number of us predicted, supply is going to be the issue, not delivery.
Makes the push for 24x7 vaccinations look a bit stupid.
I thought it was a trial, not a push.
I was referring to the push in the media and by some on here; the trial is the result of that push.
Either way, I'd say there are four possible constraints:
1. Vaccine supply (including vials, needles, swabs etc.) 2. Staff to give vaccinations and support the programme. 3. People willing to be vaccinated. 4. Vaccination site capacity.
Of these, the only one that 24x7 vaccinations help with is: 4. Site capacity.
However, site capacity this is the least likely to be a bottleneck because it is easily addressed by booking additional venues (many of which are otherwise free due to lockdown).
The 24x7 trial is a distraction. I suspect many promoting it were secretly hoping it would be a way of getting the vaccine earlier than their demographic would otherwise allow.
The focus should be on supply, supply, and then more supply.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
When it is being used as a "proper noun" rather than an adjective.
Shut today and tomorrow in Chesterfields main centre ran out of vaccine yesterday.
Been told they can only have enough for 3 days next week despite been set up as a 7 day a week operation
As a number of us predicted, supply is going to be the issue, not delivery.
Makes the push for 24x7 vaccinations look a bit stupid.
I thought it was a trial, not a push.
I was referring to the push in the media and by some on here; the trial is the result of that push.
Either way, I'd say there are four possible constraints:
1. Vaccine supply (including vials, needles, swabs etc.) 2. Staff to give vaccinations and support the programme. 3. People willing to be vaccinated. 4. Vaccination site capacity.
Of these, the only one that 24x7 vaccinations help with is: 4. Site capacity.
Unfortunately, site capacity this is the least likely to be a bottleneck because it is easily address by booking additional venues (many of which are otherwise free due to lockdown).
The 24x7 trial is a distraction. I suspect many promoting it were secretly hoping it would be a way of getting the vaccine earlier than their demographic would otherwise allow.
The focus should be on supply, supply, and then more supply.
It does seem that it would add little to the efforts, given the level that can be done already once supply is in place. I think a short trial is worthwhile to ensure, and frankly given there was a media push we're lucky Boris did not immediately pledge 24/7 vaccination even if it would do no good.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I am hard to offend
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact they are making these claims.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact.
So, from your point of view, she is a "proper Black".
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
For the same reason as African American, Latino, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, Native American, White, Non-White, Caucasian. It seems to be the practice when labeling race.
Presumably @Leon has so absorbed woke culture that he recognises that Harris senior had become culturally white through absorption into Western academic culture, and that his skin colour was irrelevant to his whiteness.
(In case of doubt, I am taking the piss, and I believe Harris senior has done extensive work for Black causes)
One thing that gets missed over here is that, because of the race laws in the US, people who may be 1/8 or 1/16 Black are actually considered part of the Black community as they were subject to the same laws.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
She has spoken of being bussed in a school desegregation programme in childhood. Do you think she was not regarded as Black then, or had no insight into the African American experience?
Why do you capitalise "black" as "Black"? Genuine question
For the same reason as African American, Latino, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, Native American, White, Non-White, Caucasian. It seems to be the practice when labeling race.
OK. But what about "white"?
If used as a proper noun (eg White Working Class, or White Power) then it is capitalised. If describing the colour of my car as an adjective, it is not capitalised.
If you listened to Nicola’s press conferences, instead of just being snarky about her, you would know.
What did Sturgeon say?
“To answer your question about the Army, they have been involved in different points of our pandemic response all along. This is not as simple or a case of suddenly involving the Army.
“The Army were based in this building for a quite significant time period last year, so we call on them when we think they have the particular expertise to help with particular tasks.
“We are really grateful to them for that.”
Delighted to be right that Nicola was effusive in her thanks.....but still wondering why this has not been done before now - did she say?
Stop politicising our troops. It's an insult to them.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
Unfortunately the phrase "ethnic minority" is now regarded as racist. Sorry. So that's a: FAIL
"Not only does Bame erase identity, the defining and use of "minority" when referring to the global majority, is deeply problematic. Language is power: if you call someone a "minority", then their interests, passions, ambitions and potential also become "minority interests""
Time for me rant once about middle class people pretending to be working class plebs, this author gets it.
The new elites are working-class wannabes
Once it was frowned upon to be nouveau riche, now we all want to prove we’ve risen on merit
There’s a scene in Martin Amis’s memoir Experience in which he describes his children badgering him on a car journey: “Why do you say Fri-dee and Mon-dee and Thurs-dee” they want to know. After some embarrassed prevarication, Amis concedes that “I trained myself to do it in my teens because I thought it sounded posh … it used to be cool to be posh.” His sons respond with incredulity: “Did it? … Christ.”
That conversation is a symptom of a fascinating social transformation. Middle class British people no longer pretend to be posh. Quite the opposite. According to a study published this week in the journal Sociology, “47 per cent of those in ‘middle-class’ professional and managerial occupations identify as working class”. What’s more, 24 per cent of people doing middle-class jobs whose parents also did middle-class jobs identified as working class too.
On the basis of 175 interviews with people of various class backgrounds, the study’s authors theorise that by manipulating the stories of their class origins (often by reaching back to tales of less-privileged grandparents) respondents were justifying their social success as “legitimate” in the context of a supposedly meritocratic society that rewards talent regardless of background. According to contemporary morality it is better to have earned your success than it is to have been born into it.
The idea is a recent one. Not so long ago, social elites were desperate to show they had not earned their positions at the top of society. Nouveau riche industrialists and merchants spent huge sums of money acquiring coats of arms and manipulating family trees in order to cultivate the impression that their status had nothing to do with hard work. Heredity was a far greater source of social legitimacy.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact.
So, from your point of view, she is a "proper Black".
Got it.
Nope. She is just what she is. It is others who are trying to define her in some way that belittles her experiences and background. Hence my comment and the fact I was lamenting this is going to run on and on.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact.
So, from your point of view, she is a "proper Black".
Got it.
Nope. She is just what she is. It is others who are trying to define her in some way that belittles her experiences and background. Hence my comment and the fact I was lamenting this is going to run on and on.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
That's shocking but sadly unsurprising.
I do believe we've come a long way in this country, albeit at a very slow pace. Still a long way to go but the overall trend over the 60 years of my life has been in the right direction with many changes for the better.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
What absolute stupidity. Not that any racist behaviour is known for its intellectual insight, but there's something about telling someone who has experienced discrimination that they are not even of an ethnic minority, to their face no less, that just really should make people stop and think for a second. Did they expect a positive response from you, as if providing enlightenment, or were they chastising you? If it is ok to ask.
I do recall a clip of some Fox News personality I think from years back, when Herman Cain was on the scene, talking about their blacks being blacker. I don't recall in context if it was about skin tone or 'proper blackness'.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact.
So, from your point of view, she is a "proper Black".
Got it.
Nope. She is just what she is. It is others who are trying to define her in some way that belittles her experiences and background. Hence my comment and the fact I was lamenting this is going to run on and on.
Thanks in part to people like you.
FFS. Man up and defend yourself
I don't have to. I am the one in the right here. You are the one dancing on a head of a pin. The fact you are the only one who can't see that is rather telling.
I get the impression you are doing the online equivalent of a drunk trying to pick fights with everyone who looked at him funny this evening.
One wonders how things would have progressed had they been able to shoot straight in response. Sad to think a tragedy may have cut off something worse.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Could you define "a proper Black"?
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I hard to offend
No. That was the whole point. It is others who are insinuating she is not 'a proper black'. I am decrying the fact.
So, from your point of view, she is a "proper Black".
Got it.
Nope. She is just what she is. It is others who are trying to define her in some way that belittles her experiences and background. Hence my comment and the fact I was lamenting this is going to run on and on.
Thanks in part to people like you.
FFS. Man up and defend yourself
Am I the only one who thinks they're agreeing with each other, and is baffled by this turn?
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
What absolute stupidity. Not that any racist behaviour is known for its intellectual insight, but there's something about telling someone who has experienced discrimination that they are not even of an ethnic minority, to their face no less, that just really should make people stop and think for a second. Did they expect a positive response from you, as if providing enlightenment, or were they chastising you? If it is ok to ask.
I do recall a clip of some Fox News personality I think from years back, when Herman Cain was on the scene, talking about their blacks being blacker. I don't recall in context if it was about skin tone or 'proper blackness'.
It was in a discussion about why poor kids (black and white) are at the bottom of educational league tables.
My view has been that the life outcomes for people in this country is linked to where you were born in this country.
My mind was blown by a stat about 5/6 years ago that there's so many kids in this country whose parents haven't hadn't jobs in years, if not their entire lives.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
I know virtually nothing of my heritage, such as it is, as one one side the parents hated the grandparents, and the other the grandparents hated the great grandparents. Made it hard to ask about info.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
To be fair, I'll bet you the Premier League pays 3x what the Government does.
(Indeed, a fair number of Treasury and BOE economists do it for three or four years out of academia before joining the ranks of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.)
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
Don't worry, it's all about context. All you need to do to be more interesting is go somewhere else.
It’s a historic day, and Leon is banging on about how to measure the blackness of people.
FFS.
Frankly embarrassing.
You used the phrase "proper Black". I rest my case with the judiciary.
I agree it is an unedifying argument. But that is my point. The American Democrat identitarian Left's complete obsession with race/colour ends with an obviously decent, fair-minded Englishman - like yourself - using a very dubious, if not odious phrase in defence of his arguments.
This way madness lies.
Confession: I was brought up in a frankly racist country. It was casual (though uncomfortable from the off). Yet we have evolved. I was - correctly, to my mind - brought up to try and do better than this, specifically, I was taught to try and ignore skin colour. It is hard, it is human nature to notice differences, but it is do-able.
Was society perfect by, say, 2015? Of course not. Racism was still a problem, and America, in particular, has a hangover from the horrors of slavery which requires a uniquely attentive response. America's combination of lax gun law and feeble yet militarised cop recruiting has made things especially and uniquely problematic: for them.
But that is the point. From a British perspective. We don't have to endure this ordeal in the UK. We have imported American race issues when we don't actually have those terrible issues. This, potentially, makes things worse, for everyone.
Enough!
Let us stop. Detach from a maddened America. We were doing OK. We can go back to sanity.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
I know virtually nothing of my heritage, such as it is, as one one side the parents hated the grandparents, and the other the grandparents hated the great grandparents. Made it hard to ask about info.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
I think what we all want to know is why did they capitalise Black?
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
My great great grandmother was a Glaswegian. Does that count?
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
Don't worry, it's all about context. All you need to do to be more interesting is go somewhere else.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
My great great grandmother was a Glaswegian. Does that count?
It’s a historic day, and Leon is banging on about how to measure the blackness of people.
FFS.
Frankly embarrassing.
You used the phrase "proper Black". I rest my case with the judiciary.
I agree it is an unedifying argument. But that is my point. The American Democrat identitarian Left's complete obsession with race/colour ends with an obviously decent, fair-minded Englishman - like yourself - using a very dubious, if not odious phrase in defence of his arguments.
This way madness lies.
Confession: I was brought up in a frankly racist country. It was casual (though uncomfortable from the off). Yet we have evolved. I was- correctly, to my mind - brought up to try and do better than this, specifically, I was taught to try and ignore skin colour. It is hard, it is human nature to notice differences, but it is do-able.
Was society perfect by, say, 2015? Of course not. Racism was still a problem, and America, in particular, has a hangover from the horrors of slavery which requires a uniquely attentive response. America's combination of lax gun law and feeble yet militarised cop recruiting has made things especially and uniquely problematic: for them.
But that is the point. From a British perspective. We don't have to endure this ordeal in the UK. We have imported American race issues when we don't actually have those terrible issues. This, potentially, make things worse, for everyone.
Enough!
Let us stop. Detach from a maddened America. We were doing OK. We can go back to sanity.
I have never used the term “proper Black”. I am not an Englishman. Apart from that, cool.
It’s a historic day, and Leon is banging on about how to measure the blackness of people.
FFS.
Frankly embarrassing.
You used the phrase "proper Black". I rest my case with the judiciary.
I agree it is an unedifying argument. But that is my point. The American Democrat identitarian Left's complete obsession with race/colour ends with an obviously decent, fair-minded Englishman - like yourself - using a very dubious, if not odious phrase in defence of his arguments.
This way madness lies.
Confession: I was brought up in a frankly racist country. It was casual (though uncomfortable from the off). Yet we have evolved. I was- correctly, to my mind - brought up to try and do better than this, specifically, I was taught to try and ignore skin colour. It is hard, it is human nature to notice differences, but it is do-able.
Was society perfect by, say, 2015? Of course not. Racism was still a problem, and America, in particular, has a hangover from the horrors of slavery which requires a uniquely attentive response. America's combination of lax gun law and feeble yet militarised cop recruiting has made things especially and uniquely problematic: for them.
But that is the point. From a British perspective. We don't have to endure this ordeal in the UK. We have imported American race issues when we don't actually have those terrible issues. This, potentially, make things worse, for everyone.
Enough!
Let us stop. Detach from a maddened America. We were doing OK. We can go back to sanity.
I have never used the term “proper Black”. I am not an Englishman. Apart from that, cool.
President Biden and Vice President Harris just now heading down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.
Seventy-two years ago, back in 1949, my father was part of the US Marine Corp honor guard at the inauguration of President Harry Truman.
My Daddy Dearest was 19 years old, and thus not old enough to vote in 1948. If he HAD voted, almost certainly he'd have voted for Republican Tom Dewey NOT "Give Em Hell" Harry. Who
Which didn't matter diddly squat to him on that day. For him, it was a proud day - for himself AND for America.
A day like today.
I still think that, flawed though he was, Truman was probably the best President of the 20th century.
FDR says Hi!
How about Ike. Presided over the final ascent of America to hegemony. Oversaw (I believe, I haven't checked) an unprecedented surge in American personal prosperity. Generally avoided wars. Genial.
I miss the America that benignly ruled the world. We can already see what the future, non-American world is like, where China is entirely ascendant (which it is, already). It is not good
I am directly descended from the estimated 20,000 Homo sapiens - the population of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire - who crossed from Africa to Europe many years ago. I am therefore black. Soz. I mean, Black
But you say I am not BLACK like Kamala Harris. How do you know? Perhaps you could check me against a colour chart, or put a pencil in my hair? I have no idea.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
I know virtually nothing of my heritage, such as it is, as one one side the parents hated the grandparents, and the other the grandparents hated the great grandparents. Made it hard to ask about info.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
That's how I found out that one of my great-grandmothers was Irish. Still plan to visit the stately home where she was born*.
President Biden and Vice President Harris just now heading down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.
Seventy-two years ago, back in 1949, my father was part of the US Marine Corp honor guard at the inauguration of President Harry Truman.
My Daddy Dearest was 19 years old, and thus not old enough to vote in 1948. If he HAD voted, almost certainly he'd have voted for Republican Tom Dewey NOT "Give Em Hell" Harry. Who
Which didn't matter diddly squat to him on that day. For him, it was a proud day - for himself AND for America.
A day like today.
I still think that, flawed though he was, Truman was probably the best President of the 20th century.
FDR says Hi!
How about Ike. Presided over the final ascent of America to hegemony. Oversaw (I believe, I haven't checked) an unprecedented surge in American personal prosperity. Generally avoided wars. Genial.
I miss the America that benignly ruled the world. We can already see what the future, non-American world is like, where China is entirely ascendant (which it is, already). It is not good
Korea says "hi!"
Actually reinforces my argument. Ike stood up to China. With actual guns. And got at least a decent score draw, arguably a narrow win (given the history of the Koreas ever since)
OK. It is a tiny bit harder when China is the predominant power, economically, and America is secondary and weaker, but Trump managed to combine the worst aspects of appeasement and hostility in one. Derrrrr.
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
I know virtually nothing of my heritage, such as it is, as one one side the parents hated the grandparents, and the other the grandparents hated the great grandparents. Made it hard to ask about info.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
That's how I found out that one of my great-grandmothers was Irish. Still plan to visit the stately home where she was born*.
Biden setting the right tone imo. No point in stoking the fires now.
“The president wrote a very generous letter,” Biden said, of Donald Trump. “Because it was private, I won’t talk about it until I talk to him. But it was generous."
I am directly descended from the estimated 20,000 Homo sapiens - the population of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire - who crossed from Africa to Europe many years ago. I am therefore black. Soz. I mean, Black
But you say I am not BLACK like Kamala Harris. How do you know? Perhaps you could check me against a colour chart, or put a pencil in my hair? I have no idea.
Because I've seen what you look like.
You couldn't be any more white if your name was Whitey McWhiteface.
I liked Joe's dialled down speech and the occasionally informal moments in the pomp. They did a very good job today. Lovely to see everyone coming together.
A new era.
If only you were right. I fear it is bollocks.
The Democrats are totally captured by Woke-ism. eg Kamala Harris is now described, even by the BBC, as "Black" (with a definite capital b). In what universe is she black? Seriously. Does it now refer to anyone who is non-white? She is clearly brown. Sorry, Brown.
Frankly, if I were African-American, descended from slaves, I would deeply resent this woman "appropriating" my ancestry of real and terrible suffering. She's Indian and went to Harvard. Yes, she's from a tough-ish background, but it really does not compare to slavery.
How does this nonsense square with the tens of millions of minimum-wage white Americans in Ohio or Arkansas or Lousiane? The Trump voters? Answer: it doesn't
The father of Kamala Harris is a black dude from Jamaica.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourselves with some facts before you embarrass yourself once more.
Or, alternatively, learn something yourself
"Born on August 23, 1938 in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, Donald J. Harris is the son of Beryl Christie (Finnegan, through her second husband[citation needed]) and Oscar Joseph Harris, who were of Afro-Jamaican heritage"
Her "Blackness" is pretty tenuous. Unless everyone with black ancestors can claim Blackness?
If anyone who has any Black blood is by definition Black then that includes trillions of Americans. Indeed all of us, as we are all descended from Africans
Hyper race-awareness is a species of madness, a modern possession by demons.
Her father was a black Jamaican, born to other black Jamaicans. What is the chance that her paternal ancestors were slaves? Close to 100%, I would think.
To say she is not Black is absurd. Of course she has Indian heritage too.
It's a completely different experience to being born into a segregated America where you grow up having to sit in coloured seats on buses or use different entrances to buildings. The experience of black Americans is a really horrible story of persecution, I don't think she will have had the same experiences in her life. She will have had a life more along the lines of what a black or brown person experiences in the UK, not comfortable and awful individual encounters with some nasty people but overall one of acceptance and, frankly, indifference to skin colour.
I tend to be very anti-woke, but you are absolutely spot on that the US has a very different experience of race to the UK. And segregation is much more recent than people think.
Martin Luther King was not shot in the distant past; he was shot in 1968. There were seats on buses reserved for whites in the lifetimes of most PBers. And as recently as the 1980s, elite US universities and schools had official "caps" on the number of African America, Jewish and Asian American students they accepted.
Disturbing. Not as disturbing as his sudden obsession with imps, but still.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
There's nothing wrong with having "woken up" to injustices that were previously there, and one didn't see or realise, and then to do something about them. It has reasonable goals in mind.
The issue is that Woke (big W) has become a quasi-religion where it's first and foremost about putting yourself on display and signalling the purity of your credentials. There's no interest in moderation because it's always good to be seen to be more Woke, more angry, and more energetic about it, and it therefore has a maximalising tendency in defiance of common sense.
That doesn't inspire action, rather it inhibits it, because practical action would otherwise suggest the world is a complex place. Moreover, its behaviour - seeing everything through increasingly ludicrous levels of intersectionality in absolutely everything, cancel culture, hectoring nuance, pulling down statues, and partial views of any alternative view - repells many people who'd otherwise be very sympathetic.
It's so divisive because everyone who criticises the latter is assumed to oppose the former, and are often called bigots to boot, which many know full-well is disingenuous, whilst the Woke themselves are being entirely self-indulgent, often patronising and frequently hypocritical.
So, yes, I hate unfairness and injustice to anyone on account of who they are. And I have contempt for Woke as a religion too as I believe to be divisive counterproductive nonsense for which you get judged when you call out their childish bullshit.
Some of the worst people I've met in my professional life have been the Wokest because they use it to cloak deep-seated insecurities and give cover for highly disrespectful treatment of people in real life.
Virtue and integrity comes from within, and real change requires practical action tempered by humility and good judgement.
The Woke have neither.
One thing to also point out with your comment @Casino_Royale - which I agree with - is that one of the fundamental reason why people who are Woke are generally some of the worst people to meet is because they are so self-righteous about their own beliefs that they believe it gives them carte blanche to be an absolute c*nt when it comes to day to day matters.
The Woke-est people I know - and I know loads - are not always the worst, or the dimmest. Ultra-Brexiteers can be as bad, easily
But they are, without exception, the most narcissistic, and self-absorbed
Woke people aren't the brightest. A vegan diet doesn't help them either sadly.
As I've revealed before, wokeness is vastly and objectively preferable to its opposite. And most people who are super-antagonistic to it ARE that opposite.
Biden setting the right tone imo. No point in stoking the fires now.
“The president wrote a very generous letter,” Biden said, of Donald Trump. “Because it was private, I won’t talk about it until I talk to him. But it was generous."
Harris is the daughter of a Stanford academic, where I suppose she grew up. Quite privileged I'd say, whatever her skin colour color.
She grew up in the flatlands, which was predominantly a black area.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
I get the horrible feeling this is going to turn into the new 'Birtherism' of the next few years. Harris is not poor enough and oppressed enough to be considered a proper Black.
Yet more pointless arguments.
Sadly, it is over here as well.
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
A very heavy burden of a list. Don't worry though I'll happily continue to discriminate against you because you're TSE. Actually especially so. In emergencies the whole pineapple thing can be visited, but for emergencies only.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
I know virtually nothing of my heritage, such as it is, as one one side the parents hated the grandparents, and the other the grandparents hated the great grandparents. Made it hard to ask about info.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
That's how I found out that one of my great-grandmothers was Irish. Still plan to visit the stately home where she was born*.
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Indeed, when he left the White House, his (dis)approval rating was even worse than Trumpsky's is today!
On measure of his post-presidential recovery, was the assessment of my GOP grandfather, who habitually referred to Harry's predecessor as "Franklin Goddamn Roosevelt".
When Truman fired MacArthur, Pop Pop thought that he (Truman) deserved to be shot. (His son, my father, felt exactly the opposite.)
However, by the time I rolled around and first emerged as a political pundit (at the age of nine or so) the old old man had changed his tune - that Truman had been right about MacArthur, and maybe a few other things as well. BUT certainly not everything!
Makes the push for 24x7 vaccinations look a bit stupid.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robbie-williams-pizzagate_uk_5ef4b086c5b643f5b230474d
I also like the fact that after he retired he lived off his army pension and refused to take any position in any company or make any endorsement as that would have undermined the integrity of the office of President.
We pay for this shit.
America is important. Trump is mad. Thank God he's gone. We get it.
But the UK - which the BBC serves - has just experienced its worst day of deaths (a global record, possibly) during a hideous pandemic, which is the greatest national crisis since World War Two, and the worst medical emergency for a century. And the worst recession for 300 years.
Today is possibly Peak Bleak. The nadir. So many dead.
Yet it is unmentioned. Instead, BBC News has nothing but endless footage of empty limousines patrolling the streets of the second most powerful nation on earth, where they had an election.
Would any other country, in a terrible crisis, focus on another country like this? It is Mad. I would defund the BBC for this alone. The American Century is over. Move on.
Plus her parents divorced when she was seven, thus Harris has said that when she and her sister visited their father in Palo Alto on weekends, other children in the neighborhood were not allowed to play with them because they were black.
https://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-ca-harris-senate-20150930-story.html
But I love how white dudes in the UK like to say they no so much about how Kamala Harris was privileged and has no experience of racism.
Ludicrous outside of hospitals.
My phone and iPad regularly capitalises it, ditto for White.
I mean, the chorus rather than the verses, but still.
https://englishgrammarhere.com/nouns/10-examples-of-proper-noun/
Either way, I'd say there are four possible constraints:
1. Vaccine supply (including vials, needles, swabs etc.)
2. Staff to give vaccinations and support the programme.
3. People willing to be vaccinated.
4. Vaccination site capacity.
Of these, the only one that 24x7 vaccinations help with is: 4. Site capacity.
However, site capacity this is the least likely to be a bottleneck because it is easily addressed by booking additional venues (many of which are otherwise free due to lockdown).
The 24x7 trial is a distraction. I suspect many promoting it were secretly hoping it would be a way of getting the vaccine earlier than their demographic would otherwise allow.
The focus should be on supply, supply, and then more supply.
Yet more pointless arguments.
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/language_corner_1.php
I am old enough to find that phrase actively offensive. And I am hard to offend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkwc-c5V7xg
I've been told on more than one occasion that I cannot call myself an ethnic minority because
1) I'm upper/middle class
2) Privately educated/went to a top university
3) Married a white person
4) Have a high income job
5) Father had a high income job
So because of that I cannot experience discrimination, which is nice to know, if only someone had told those EDL supporters in Manchester 2009 who shouted 'You fucking Paki' at me that I'm not a minority.
https://youtu.be/8dPzFUiY-tg
Got it.
Praise the Gods.
"Not only does Bame erase identity, the defining and use of "minority" when referring to the global majority, is deeply problematic. Language is power: if you call someone a "minority", then their interests, passions, ambitions and potential also become "minority interests""
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bame-black-lives-matter-protests-anti-racism-ethnic-minority-a9702831.html
Snowing heavily now.
Thanks in part to people like you.
https://twitter.com/obornetweets/status/1351971567874560001?s=21
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1351983204983574529
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1351977805890859011
FFS.
Frankly embarrassing.
I do believe we've come a long way in this country, albeit at a very slow pace. Still a long way to go but the overall trend over the 60 years of my life has been in the right direction with many changes for the better.
I do recall a clip of some Fox News personality I think from years back, when Herman Cain was on the scene, talking about their blacks being blacker. I don't recall in context if it was about skin tone or 'proper blackness'.
I get the impression you are doing the online equivalent of a drunk trying to pick fights with everyone who looked at him funny this evening.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/22/joe-biden-charlamagne-you-aint-black-trump-video
"Both sides" are very much at this one, and he at least should really know better.
Hope that helps
PS. I'm always a little jealous of those of us that have insights through their heritage into other cultures. A friend of mine's grandmother was a proper Zulu when Zulus were Zulus- how cool is that! Unfortunately my Scottish lowlander ancestry is lost to the past. Not sure it'd have been that interesting anyway, but I'd liked to have known.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Maybe it's because the percentages of people overweight and obese are significantly lower in the Netherlands.
UK: overweight = 63%, obese = 28%.
Netherlands: overweight = 53%, obese = 19%.
https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/statistics-on-obesity-physical-activity-and-diet/england-2020
https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/243315/Netherlands-WHO-Country-Profile.pdf
My view has been that the life outcomes for people in this country is linked to where you were born in this country.
My mind was blown by a stat about 5/6 years ago that there's so many kids in this country whose parents haven't hadn't jobs in years, if not their entire lives.
I'm told I had an alcoholic irish gypsy as a great grandfather, and another great grand relative changed their name from Schwartz to Black and that's it.
That sounds like a joke, but it's actually true. Maybe an ancestry site is the way to go.
(Indeed, a fair number of Treasury and BOE economists do it for three or four years out of academia before joining the ranks of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.)
I agree it is an unedifying argument. But that is my point. The American Democrat identitarian Left's complete obsession with race/colour ends with an obviously decent, fair-minded Englishman - like yourself - using a very dubious, if not odious phrase in defence of his arguments.
This way madness lies.
Confession: I was brought up in a frankly racist country. It was casual (though uncomfortable from the off). Yet we have evolved. I was - correctly, to my mind - brought up to try and do better than this, specifically, I was taught to try and ignore skin colour. It is hard, it is human nature to notice differences, but it is do-able.
Was society perfect by, say, 2015? Of course not. Racism was still a problem, and America, in particular, has a hangover from the horrors of slavery which requires a uniquely attentive response. America's combination of lax gun law and feeble yet militarised cop recruiting has made things especially and uniquely problematic: for them.
But that is the point. From a British perspective. We don't have to endure this ordeal in the UK. We have imported American race issues when we don't actually have those terrible issues. This, potentially, makes things worse, for everyone.
Enough!
Let us stop. Detach from a maddened America. We were doing OK. We can go back to sanity.
I am not an Englishman.
Apart from that, cool.
Thank goodness today went off without incident.
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(*... to one of the servants.)
https://twitter.com/mcash/status/1351976370264539136
OK. It is a tiny bit harder when China is the predominant power, economically, and America is secondary and weaker, but Trump managed to combine the worst aspects of appeasement and hostility in one. Derrrrr.
“The president wrote a very generous letter,” Biden said, of Donald Trump. “Because it was private, I won’t talk about it until I talk to him. But it was generous."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/20/joe-biden-inauguration-donald-trump-impeachment-kamala-harris-washington-covid-coronavirus-live-updates
Martin Luther King was not shot in the distant past; he was shot in 1968. There were seats on buses reserved for whites in the lifetimes of most PBers. And as recently as the 1980s, elite US universities and schools had official "caps" on the number of African America, Jewish and Asian American students they accepted.
Fairly easy to see why.
In fact, I am descended from Charlemagne.
(We all are).
Down with old people!