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Second like Dirty Leeds.0
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Spot on 👍Philip_Thompson said:QTWAIN.
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Worst acronym ever. Quicker to just say "no".Philip_Thompson said:QTWAIN.
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Nice header! So Trump not even on the GOP podium. Loser!0
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I think you are looking at the wrong issue here.
Trump's Congressional Allies are all (except probably Cruz in Texas) all in safe Republican seats. They don't need Trump's supporters to win their seats, they need those supporters to ensure they are standing in as Republican candidate in the next election.2 -
But if you subscribe to the school of thought that says ‘statistics are a lot like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting but what they hide is much more interesting’ and looking at actual number of voters is a better pointer.
I might use that one the next time I'm on a stats training course for work.1 -
This is the source of Trumpist rage in a nutshell. They're not-so-slowly becoming an electoral and demographic minority, and it's sending them round the bend. Soon they're going to have to choose between purity and power, ideally before they find themselves facing President AOC.0
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For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
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To me it was staggering that he was in the middle of that chart
Compared to Ross Perot (the previous non-standard-politician candidate), well, Perot was a "stable genius" by comparison.1 -
You might want to add 'or speedos'. Equal Opps innit.tlg86 said:But if you subscribe to the school of thought that says ‘statistics are a lot like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting but what they hide is much more interesting’ and looking at actual number of voters is a better pointer.
I might use that one the next time I'm on a stats training course for work.3 -
The man will be a constant liability until he is measured for a fetching orange jump suitrottenborough said:3 -
Bugger, the original version had an error in it, here's the phrase I usetlg86 said:But if you subscribe to the school of thought that says ‘statistics are a lot like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting but what they hide is much more interesting’ and looking at actual number of voters is a better pointer.
I might use that one the next time I'm on a stats training course for work.
'Statistics are a lot like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting but what they hide is much more fascinating'1 -
You aren't wrong but, being picky, they've never been a majority or even a plurality. They are just noisy.BluestBlue said:This is the source of Trumpist rage in a nutshell. They're not-so-slowly becoming an electoral and demographic minority, and it's sending them round the bend. Soon they're going to have to choose between purity and power, ideally before they find themselves facing President AOC.
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And even then you will upset those whose culture regards either as disgusting....Carnyx said:
You might want to add 'or speedos'. Equal Opps innit.tlg86 said:But if you subscribe to the school of thought that says ‘statistics are a lot like bikinis, what they reveal is interesting but what they hide is much more interesting’ and looking at actual number of voters is a better pointer.
I might use that one the next time I'm on a stats training course for work.0 -
No. I think Trump's 2016 victory showed that you could get white America to vote like a minority group, which is the key learning for the GOP. I think Trump in 2020 showed that being a crybaby moron for four years is an election loser.5
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Can we all take a moment to laugh at Dirty Bielsa's Leeds.1
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Excellent thread by the sometimes hyperbolic and hysterical Eagles.
Yes, people are slowly clicking that Trumpton is an electoral liability who, in four miserable years, has taken the L on a grand scale.
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Just the death throes of a pathetic loser whose days are numbered.rottenborough said:1 -
On the vaccinations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55605009
"He* said the UK was now vaccinating more than 200,000 people a day and around a third of all over-80s had received a jab."
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Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
Having the most powerful man in the world splurge on Twitter, whatever was his mind for the last 4 years has been really interesting.4 -
I think that this is a little simplistic. The number of votes Trump got is significant. He motivated certain sections of the US electorate to a very high level, people who are normally neglected or taken for granted.
His problem is that he motivated his opposition even more and there were more of them.
The challenge for the Republicans is to do the first without the second. It’s not going to be easy. Like it or loathe it it was Trumps enthusiasm for offending the entitled, the worthy and the self indulgent that motivated his own base. Someone who doesn’t “tell it as it is” is going to find that harder. Maybe impossible.1 -
Has this been posted? A deep analysis of Trump's speech on Wednesday. Obviously gives the lie to any suggestion that he was encouraging "peaceful" protest.
Enjoy your afternoon...
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@realdonaldtrumpping said:Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
The liberal media tried to banish me and our army of patriots. SAD ! We'll be back and our victory will NEVER be taken away !
@jefftiedrich
Still sulking, Donny ? If I was you and I'd quit town while you're still free.0 -
But I think these death throes are going to go on for sometime and provide a lot more entertainment. I am not going to be happy until and unless he and many of his accomplices are behind bars, just so others are deterred from doing this again.Anabobazina said:
Just the death throes of a pathetic loser whose days are numbered.rottenborough said:2 -
He also offended the poor, weak, humble, and disabled. He insults everyone.DavidL said:I think that this is a little simplistic. The number of votes Trump got is significant. He motivated certain sections of the US electorate to a very high level, people who are normally neglected or taken for granted.
His problem is that he motivated his opposition even more and there were more of them.
The challenge for the Republicans is to do the first without the second. It’s not going to be easy. Like it or loathe it it was Trumps enthusiasm for offending the entitled, the worthy and the self indulgent that motivated his own base. Someone who doesn’t “tell it as it is” is going to find that harder. Maybe impossible.
People ought to have noticed that he wasn't just pricking the balloons of those who deserved it, but everyone else besides. Once you see that, it stops looking like a healthy iconoclasm and starts to appear to be the behaviour of a very unwell man.4 -
But Trump also motivated his opponents.DavidL said:I think that this is a little simplistic. The number of votes Trump got is significant. He motivated certain sections of the US electorate to a very high level, people who are normally neglected or taken for granted.
His problem is that he motivated his opposition even more and there were more of them.
The challenge for the Republicans is to do the first without the second. It’s not going to be easy. Like it or loathe it it was Trumps enthusiasm for offending the entitled, the worthy and the self indulgent that motivated his own base. Someone who doesn’t “tell it as it is” is going to find that harder. Maybe impossible.2 -
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Much like Bielsa's Leeds.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Trump also motivated his opponents.DavidL said:I think that this is a little simplistic. The number of votes Trump got is significant. He motivated certain sections of the US electorate to a very high level, people who are normally neglected or taken for granted.
His problem is that he motivated his opposition even more and there were more of them.
The challenge for the Republicans is to do the first without the second. It’s not going to be easy. Like it or loathe it it was Trumps enthusiasm for offending the entitled, the worthy and the self indulgent that motivated his own base. Someone who doesn’t “tell it as it is” is going to find that harder. Maybe impossible.0 -
"Interesting" is certainly a way of describing it.ping said:Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
Having the most powerful man in the world splurge on Twitter, whatever was his mind for the last 4 years has been really interesting.0 -
Not sure the backing music was really necessary. Poweful though.CarlottaVance said:
There's a morbid fascination to it. I must say I miss not knowing the innermost thoughts of public officials and tycoons - finding out they frequently as dumb and insecure as the rest of us takes some of the mystique away from the powerful.ping said:Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
Having the most powerful man in the world splurge on Twitter, whatever was his mind for the last 4 years has been really interesting.3 -
There were almost certainly several Republican House Representatives who are directly implicated in the planning for Wednesday. I wouldn't be surprised if we see arrests in the next few weeks.
I suspect the Senators were largely useful idiots, if for no other reason that they have more to lose and less secure political bases (but could be wrong). But not those in the House.0 -
Only on PB.ping said:Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
Having the most powerful man in the world splurge on Twitter, whatever was his mind for the last 4 years has been really interesting.1 -
I don't think for a moment that Trump's congressional allies believe Trumpism is the way to win and keep power in the NATION. They believe it is the way to do so in the PARTY.
Most of them understand that, although in absolute terms he won a lot of votes in 2016 and 2020, he drove Democrat turnout just as much. They know it's better to win an election with a 40% turnout than lose one with 70% turnout.
However, they believe (or did until last week) that his endorsement wins primaries and raises money and - still more importantly - that he can destroy careers with a tweet.
That's ripe for reassessment because he can no longer destroy careers with a tweet (obv) and it's probably the case that a Trump endorsement is a mixed blessing for a primary (although we don't yet quite know how Republican supporters' opinion will settle on this - clearly a remarkable number give him the benefit of the doubt for anything).1 -
Well, yes.Anabobazina said:
Only on PB.ping said:Ok, I’m going to say it. I miss @ realdonaldtrump and the lack of media gatekeepers.
Having the most powerful man in the world splurge on Twitter, whatever was his mind for the last 4 years has been really interesting.
For political betting purposes it’s been useful, no?0 -
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:0 -
My bold.MaxPB said:No. I think Trump's 2016 victory showed that you could get white America to vote like a minority group, which is the key learning for the GOP. I think Trump in 2020 showed that being a crybaby moron for four years is an election loser.
Actually it was a specific chunk of White America, but yes. And that is the problem. They are behaving in the manner of the ethnic parties of Lebanon.0 -
James Comey's assertion that "Trump shouldn't be prosecuted when he leaves office", as reported to be in his upcoming book, it looking a little dated.
I mean, it was probably a bad call even when it was written, but now it's looking ridiculous.4 -
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Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.0 -
#IagreewithArnieCarlottaVance said:0 -
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What a surprise. Probably good for him he cannot do so on twitter, as it make it harder to prove his last statement was an arse covering insincerity (though of course it was).rottenborough said:0 -
V interesting.MrEd said:For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55609903
I tend to think that Twitter et al are neither pure tech platforms nor “publishers” in the traditional sense - but something in between.
Certainly though they are today under-regulated, and this will need to change.0 -
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
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Ugh. Their/there mixup.Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
Other than that, no notes, looks good.4 -
What would you hope to achieve through regulation?Gardenwalker said:
V interesting.MrEd said:For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55609903
I tend to think that Twitter et al are neither pure tech platforms nor “publishers” in the traditional sense - but something in between.
Certainly though they are today under-regulated, and this will need to change.0 -
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.0 -
Very well said! Of all the celebrities whom the Simpsons joked about becoming President it is a shame the Constitution meant that it wasn't him, instead of Trump, that was eligible.CarlottaVance said:1 -
Yes. We did this the other day a little bit. How many of the 74m are what we'd call hardcore Trumpsters? 20m? 25m? Not more that that. Probably less. It's a depressingly large number, since one is one too many, but it's not a platform to win national power on because you cannot appeal to these people without motivating a larger number to vote against you. And the direction of travel is wrong too. Fluked it in 2016, due to freaky EC maths. Lost this time even with the benefit of incumbency. Next time, I suggest, not a chance. If there were, say, 25m Trumpsters on 3/11/20, I'd think there are fewer now. And in a couple of years, with him losing power and profile, fewer still. So I think - and will be betting - that the Republican party candidate in 24 will not be carrying the Trump/MAGA flame.Mary_Batty said:
You aren't wrong but, being picky, they've never been a majority or even a plurality. They are just noisy.BluestBlue said:This is the source of Trumpist rage in a nutshell. They're not-so-slowly becoming an electoral and demographic minority, and it's sending them round the bend. Soon they're going to have to choose between purity and power, ideally before they find themselves facing President AOC.
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I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.1 -
The Electoral College is a gerrymander - consider Wyoming, with around 600,000 people, gets 3 electors (one per 200,000), but California, with around 40,000,000 people, gets 55 electors (one per 727,000).0
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And some people think AWS should be obliged to host this shit?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
People have a right to free speech, not to a right for others to host it for them.3 -
Lincoln's went ahead - and the threat to that one was at least as high.alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.0 -
If you read the article border delays play a part but so do staff absence from covidTres said:Yay, another Brexit benefit. Thank you Mr Johnson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55609315
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I'm wondering if the Presidential Succession should be looked at?alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
The way America is polarising, if the GOP win the House in the midterms I could picture some extreme Q/GOPers wanting to 'take out' the POTUS and VEEP to 'win back' the Presidency that way.
I would suggest perhaps the Presidential succession should go through the Presidents own Cabinet before it reverts back to the House.1 -
Cos only males have agency?Mary_Batty said:
I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.
There is much comment about race in US politics, but the level of misogyny is bewildering.2 -
Terrible, terrible, terrible..... "butcher there children...." Proof that DEVO was right - we are devolving back to snails.....Philip_Thompson said:
And some people think AWS should be obliged to host this shit?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
People have a right to free speech, not to a right for others to host it for them.3 -
Easy for him to say that when he's not.rottenborough said:0 -
As much the politics of 'incels' as the politics of white supremacists.dixiedean said:
Cos only males have agency?Mary_Batty said:
I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.
There is much comment about race in US politics, but the level of misogyny is bewildering.0 -
It's quite possible that women are a theoretical concept to him, either a bunch of pixels on a monitor or mythical, like unicorns.Mary_Batty said:
I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.4 -
The biggest surprise in that is that Trump still has "allies" plural.kle4 said:
What a surprise. Probably good for him he cannot do so on twitter, as it make it harder to prove his last statement was an arse covering insincerity (though of course it was).rottenborough said:0 -
Absolutely spooky imo. QAnon "Shaman" or Howard from Take That? -
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E1C9/production/_116410875_angeli2-gettyimages-1294935359-1.jpg0 -
It would be an admission of defeat if it didn't which would humiliate the USA and emasculate Biden from the get go. Security arrangements should always have assumed that there were Lee Harvey Oswalds and Osama bin Ladens out there anyway, and if you can cope with those you can cope with this.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.0 -
Crawley Town 3, Leeds 0. And to rub it in, Crawley brought on that bloke from Towie. It might be time to reconsider my bet on Arsenal to win the FA Cup.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we all take a moment to laugh at Dirty Bielsa's Leeds.
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Oh, he's seen footage of them on the internet. He just wishes he had a step-sister like that....Theuniondivvie said:
It's quite possible that women are a theoretical concept to him, either a bunch of pixels on a monitor or mythical, like unicorns.Mary_Batty said:
I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.2 -
There were actually already moves well advanced for an Online Safety Bill this year: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/online-harms-white-paper/online-harms-white-paperGardenwalker said:
V interesting.MrEd said:For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55609903
I tend to think that Twitter et al are neither pure tech platforms nor “publishers” in the traditional sense - but something in between.
Certainly though they are today under-regulated, and this will need to change.
There are some very similar moves by the EU and by national governments in Europe and elsewhere.
The decisions on Trump by social media companies (and Apple, Google etc as hosts) need to be seen in this context. Now is a very bad time to appear weak and unconcerned if you're one of these companies - they are certainly moving into a more regulated sphere across the developed world (they get that), but they are scrambling to manage the costs and the risk from fines etc so "we can be trusted to self-regulate to some degree" is a far more important message to get across than it has been at any time in the past.0 -
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When? When did I say that?Gallowgate said:
You said that companies should have prepared just like they were told to.Philip_Thompson said:
Not sure why you tagged me. I never said that.Gallowgate said:
The wasters should have prepared, just like Boris Johnson and Philip_Thompson told them to.eek said:Another one for RochdalePioneers (merely because it's your expertise). Food exports are going well
https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216
I particularly like the 18 new steps required for exporting fish to the EU and the 8 steps the imports then have to follow. Unsurprisingly the importers are deciding that other sources that don't require 8 additional steps are easier to buy from.
This is all their own fault.
I said there'd be disruption but the market will resolve it and find a new equilibrium.
The logical conclusion to that is that if they weren't prepared, it's their own fault.
I don't recall saying that. I said they were advised to prepare for WTO and if they had then any preparations for WTO should be best placed for if we ended up without a deal, or if we did have one. But I always expected disruption and I always said that. I never pretended or claimed it would be easy or without disruption. Nor did I say anything about fault, so no need to put words in my mouth I didn't use.0 -
Trump "as irrelevant as an old Tweet"!CarlottaVance said:3 -
Good point, and that one can actually be changed through a simple bill. Having the House and Senate heads in the succession is constitutionally dodgy anyway, as it's not settled whether they qualify as "officers of the United States".Philip_Thompson said:
I'm wondering if the Presidential Succession should be looked at?alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
The way America is polarising, if the GOP win the House in the midterms I could picture some extreme Q/GOPers wanting to 'take out' the POTUS and VEEP to 'win back' the Presidency that way.
I would suggest perhaps the Presidential succession should go through the Presidents own Cabinet before it reverts back to the House.0 -
No excuse for any Premier League team now not hammering Leeds. Even Sheffield United should put 6 past them.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Crawley Town 3, Leeds 0. And to rub it in, Crawley brought on that bloke from Towie. It might be time to reconsider my bet on Arsenal to win the FA Cup.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we all take a moment to laugh at Dirty Bielsa's Leeds.
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I take back my criticism of you the other day for focusing on this particular piece of lack of grammar. That was priceless. Excellent.MarqueeMark said:
Terrible, terrible, terrible..... "butcher there children...." Proof that DEVO was right - we are devolving back to snails.....Philip_Thompson said:
And some people think AWS should be obliged to host this shit?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
People have a right to free speech, not to a right for others to host it for them.1 -
Can anyone clarify the situation with the 25th Amendment. Some people have said it doesn't really work because after it is triggered, the President can contest in and it must be approved by Congress with 2/3 majorities within 4 days.
So the question is - once triggered, does the VP take command immediately subject to a subsequent reversal in Congress, or does the VP only take command once the 2/3 vote is confirmed?
One can see why Pence doesn't want to do it until the last moment under either circumstance - because if Congress reverses or rejects it (as it quite possibly would in the House) then it would probably put him in grave danger for the last few subsequent days of the Presidency.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-VQGdHR3Vw&list=PLxT_CpvaeppOhcewIz4EIwTdUA44L91W0&index=3Mary_Batty said:
I know it's really a secondary point here, but why does he assume that politically active people are men and that their female relatives are the ones who should be hurt?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
There's a really strange attitude amongst some right-wing men that politics is somehow an exercise in sexual selection. These far-out "displacement" theories, and the use of the word "cuck" is all a part of this monumental weirdness.0 -
But interesting to see the repositioning. I mean, even without last week, Trump was on his way to becoming a much diminished figure from 20th so it is not a shock at all that more people would be jumping off the Trump Train than onto it.kle4 said:
Easy for him to say that when he's not.rottenborough said:
However, Christie is still very much involved in Republican politics and, although he was never a swivel-eyed true-believer, he had thought carefully about the weather in the GOP and positioned himself close to Trump. He plainly sees zero value in that now. He's betting that Trump is finished and there is no value (and much danger) in continued association.2 -
Absolutely - i get the point. But just as long as there is absolute certainty about the loyalty of those arranging security. If the threat is purely external then it's probably OK.IshmaelZ said:
It would be an admission of defeat if it didn't which would humiliate the USA and emasculate Biden from the get go. Security arrangements should always have assumed that there were Lee Harvey Oswalds and Osama bin Ladens out there anyway, and if you can cope with those you can cope with this.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.0 -
alex_ said:
Can anyone clarify the situation with the 25th Amendment. Some people have said it doesn't really work because after it is triggered, the President can contest in and it must be approved by Congress with 2/3 majorities within 4 days.
So the question is - once triggered, does the VP take command immediately subject to a subsequent reversal in Congress, or does the VP only take command once the 2/3 vote is confirmed?
One can see why Pence doesn't want to do it until the last moment under either circumstance - because if Congress reverses or rejects it (as it quite possibly would in the House) then it would probably put him in grave danger for the last few subsequent days of the Presidency.
VP takes command immediately, and Congress can drag its feet on the votes for 21 days.alex_ said:Can anyone clarify the situation with the 25th Amendment. Some people have said it doesn't really work because after it is triggered, the President can contest in and it must be approved by Congress with 2/3 majorities within 4 days.
So the question is - once triggered, does the VP take command immediately subject to a subsequent reversal in Congress, or does the VP only take command once the 2/3 vote is confirmed?
One can see why Pence doesn't want to do it until the last moment under either circumstance - because if Congress reverses or rejects it (as it quite possibly would in the House) then it would probably put him in grave danger for the last few subsequent days of the Presidency.0 -
So I've fully prepared for trading under WTO rules. The issue is that because France (pick your EU country) needs paperwork from the customer's buying my goods they no longer wish to purchase from me as other providers are less hassle.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
When? When did I say that?Gallowgate said:
You said that companies should have prepared just like they were told to.Philip_Thompson said:
Not sure why you tagged me. I never said that.Gallowgate said:
The wasters should have prepared, just like Boris Johnson and Philip_Thompson told them to.eek said:Another one for RochdalePioneers (merely because it's your expertise). Food exports are going well
https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216
I particularly like the 18 new steps required for exporting fish to the EU and the 8 steps the imports then have to follow. Unsurprisingly the importers are deciding that other sources that don't require 8 additional steps are easier to buy from.
This is all their own fault.
I said there'd be disruption but the market will resolve it and find a new equilibrium.
The logical conclusion to that is that if they weren't prepared, it's their own fault.
I don't recall saying that. I said they were advised to prepare for WTO and if they had then any preparations for WTO should be best placed for if we ended up without a deal, or if we did have one. But I always expected disruption and I always said that. I never pretended or claimed it would be easy or without disruption. Nor did I say anything about fault, so no need to put words in my mouth I didn't use.
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Accountability on how quick they are to remove hate speech and potentially libellous material would be nice.Mary_Batty said:
What would you hope to achieve through regulation?Gardenwalker said:
V interesting.MrEd said:For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55609903
I tend to think that Twitter et al are neither pure tech platforms nor “publishers” in the traditional sense - but something in between.
Certainly though they are today under-regulated, and this will need to change.
Some clearer guidance on the sorts of outcomes the algorithms that govern what sorts of content people view are expected to achieve would also be good. As well as a resolution in law to the question of whether they're allowed to ban people whose views management or the community don't like, or if they have to host everyone who's not actively breaking the law.
Personally, I'd add forcing them to essentially get rid of the possibility of posting illegal stuff from behind a veil of anonymity by imposing KYC regulations on the providers, but that one seems more contentious.0 -
It's what separates Us from Them.....be ever vigilant!kjh said:
I take back my criticism of you the other day for focusing on this particular piece of lack of grammar. That was priceless. Excellent.MarqueeMark said:
Terrible, terrible, terrible..... "butcher there children...." Proof that DEVO was right - we are devolving back to snails.....Philip_Thompson said:
And some people think AWS should be obliged to host this shit?Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
People have a right to free speech, not to a right for others to host it for them.2 -
On the other hand, isn't it security against a coup from within the Executive (eg. DoD)? I'm not sure anyone in the Senate has a role do they? I thought it was just the Speaker.Gaussian said:
Good point, and that one can actually be changed through a simple bill. Having the House and Senate heads in the succession is constitutionally dodgy anyway, as it's not settled whether they qualify as "officers of the United States".Philip_Thompson said:
I'm wondering if the Presidential Succession should be looked at?alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
The way America is polarising, if the GOP win the House in the midterms I could picture some extreme Q/GOPers wanting to 'take out' the POTUS and VEEP to 'win back' the Presidency that way.
I would suggest perhaps the Presidential succession should go through the Presidents own Cabinet before it reverts back to the House.0 -
The reason the Speaker and President Pro Tem are next in line after the Veep is that they have been elected by the people of their district/state and by a majority of their chamber thus representing the electorate as a whole, and the Secretaries are appointed. Personally I’d replace President Pro Tem with Senate Majority Leader as by custom the Senate always elects what in UK terms would be the “father of the house” to the role as it’s purely ceremonial.Gaussian said:
Good point, and that one can actually be changed through a simple bill. Having the House and Senate heads in the succession is constitutionally dodgy anyway, as it's not settled whether they qualify as "officers of the United States".Philip_Thompson said:
I'm wondering if the Presidential Succession should be looked at?alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
The way America is polarising, if the GOP win the House in the midterms I could picture some extreme Q/GOPers wanting to 'take out' the POTUS and VEEP to 'win back' the Presidency that way.
I would suggest perhaps the Presidential succession should go through the Presidents own Cabinet before it reverts back to the House.0 -
Well precisely, that's the kind of disruption we'd always have and which the market will need to resolve to a new equilibrium just as I always expected.eek said:
So I've fully prepared for trading under WTO rules. The issue is that because France (pick your EU country) needs paperwork from the customer's buying my goods they no longer wish to purchase from me as other providers are less hassle.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
When? When did I say that?Gallowgate said:
You said that companies should have prepared just like they were told to.Philip_Thompson said:
Not sure why you tagged me. I never said that.Gallowgate said:
The wasters should have prepared, just like Boris Johnson and Philip_Thompson told them to.eek said:Another one for RochdalePioneers (merely because it's your expertise). Food exports are going well
https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216
I particularly like the 18 new steps required for exporting fish to the EU and the 8 steps the imports then have to follow. Unsurprisingly the importers are deciding that other sources that don't require 8 additional steps are easier to buy from.
This is all their own fault.
I said there'd be disruption but the market will resolve it and find a new equilibrium.
The logical conclusion to that is that if they weren't prepared, it's their own fault.
I don't recall saying that. I said they were advised to prepare for WTO and if they had then any preparations for WTO should be best placed for if we ended up without a deal, or if we did have one. But I always expected disruption and I always said that. I never pretended or claimed it would be easy or without disruption. Nor did I say anything about fault, so no need to put words in my mouth I didn't use.
Hence Gallowgate's nonsense in suggesting I was arguing preparations would resolve this. They won't. The disruption will occur no matter what.0 -
@realdonaldtrumpMarqueeMark said:
The biggest surprise in that is that Trump still has "allies" plural.kle4 said:
What a surprise. Probably good for him he cannot do so on twitter, as it make it harder to prove his last statement was an arse covering insincerity (though of course it was).rottenborough said:
We're going to have some VERY exciting news for a real media voice for Americans tomorrow. STAY TUNED !
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You OK, hun ? You do know even Pence has left you, and you're looking at jail time, right ? Gather up your make-up and your grifter son and head to the airport.0 -
According to my wife (who deals with such things) the problems are nothing like as bad as they were during the first lockdown, and in any case Ocado has been more hit and miss than usual since they switched providers from Waitrose to M&S in September.Tres said:Yay, another Brexit benefit. Thank you Mr Johnson.
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Poland has actually passed a law that fines social media companies every time they ban a post that is deemed as lawful and, as you said, I am sure others will follow. It's just going to be interesting what Modi and Bolsinaro do, both of whom get accused of being mini-Trumps because they may just decide to take pre-emptive action against the giants before they get banned themselves.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
There were actually already moves well advanced for an Online Safety Bill this year: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/online-harms-white-paper/online-harms-white-paperGardenwalker said:
V interesting.MrEd said:For @Gardenwalker, note the comments by Matt Hancock re the social media companies:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55609903
I tend to think that Twitter et al are neither pure tech platforms nor “publishers” in the traditional sense - but something in between.
Certainly though they are today under-regulated, and this will need to change.
There are some very similar moves by the EU and by national governments in Europe and elsewhere.
The decisions on Trump by social media companies (and Apple, Google etc as hosts) need to be seen in this context. Now is a very bad time to appear weak and unconcerned if you're one of these companies - they are certainly moving into a more regulated sphere across the developed world (they get that), but they are scrambling to manage the costs and the risk from fines etc so "we can be trusted to self-regulate to some degree" is a far more important message to get across than it has been at any time in the past.
The problem with the tech companies self-regulating is that they are generally awful at doing so. Saying ban Trump but then allowing the Iranians to spew out hatred towards Israel from official accounts just looks optically very bad (and is bad).0 -
I think it's unrelated to the Riot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Deciding to not bother trading with British companies because it's more hassle than it's worth is a form of preparation, is it not?eek said:
So I've fully prepared for trading under WTO rules. The issue is that because France (pick your EU country) needs paperwork from the customer's buying my goods they no longer wish to purchase from me as other providers are less hassle.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
When? When did I say that?Gallowgate said:
You said that companies should have prepared just like they were told to.Philip_Thompson said:
Not sure why you tagged me. I never said that.Gallowgate said:
The wasters should have prepared, just like Boris Johnson and Philip_Thompson told them to.eek said:Another one for RochdalePioneers (merely because it's your expertise). Food exports are going well
https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216
I particularly like the 18 new steps required for exporting fish to the EU and the 8 steps the imports then have to follow. Unsurprisingly the importers are deciding that other sources that don't require 8 additional steps are easier to buy from.
This is all their own fault.
I said there'd be disruption but the market will resolve it and find a new equilibrium.
The logical conclusion to that is that if they weren't prepared, it's their own fault.
I don't recall saying that. I said they were advised to prepare for WTO and if they had then any preparations for WTO should be best placed for if we ended up without a deal, or if we did have one. But I always expected disruption and I always said that. I never pretended or claimed it would be easy or without disruption. Nor did I say anything about fault, so no need to put words in my mouth I didn't use.
Once you recognise that Europe just aren't that into us, the whole trajectory makes perfect sense.0 -
Seniority is incredibly important in the US. I saw some speculation earlier on Republicans going independent/switching parties, and it was pointed out that doing that would cost them all their eg. seniority committee benefits.rpjs said:
The reason the Speaker and President Pro Tem are next in line after the Veep is that they have been elected by the people of their district/state and by a majority of their chamber thus representing the electorate as a whole, and the Secretaries are appointed. Personally I’d replace President Pro Tem with Senate Majority Leader as by custom the Senate always elects what in UK terms would be the “father of the house” to the role as it’s purely ceremonial.Gaussian said:
Good point, and that one can actually be changed through a simple bill. Having the House and Senate heads in the succession is constitutionally dodgy anyway, as it's not settled whether they qualify as "officers of the United States".Philip_Thompson said:
I'm wondering if the Presidential Succession should be looked at?alex_ said:
I tend to agree. It's far more important that it happens, for constitutional reasons, than how it happens. Once it's done, it puts 3 Democrats at the front of the line of Presidential Succession.rottenborough said:
I don't see how a public inauguration can safely go ahead.alex_ said:
Don't forget that Wednesday wasn't about a protest. It was intended to keep Trump IN POWER. After a couple of day of listening to the legal people trying to persuade him to do things to reduce his legal jeopardy, he is now back to thinking how he can still be President (probably been talking to Flynn/Powell/Trump jnr etc again) I wouldn't be surprised if he has been convinced that there is still a route - but this time it involves removing any pretence of being 'peaceful'.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
If that is true - and CNN aren't above sexing these things up - it's breathtaking. We really are in the Fuhrerbunker after the likes of Speer have f***ed off.rottenborough said:
We can only hope that the wilder speculation about the leadership of the DoD definitely isn't true. And i wouldn't be wanting to be involved in security in the State Capitals over the next few days.
The way America is polarising, if the GOP win the House in the midterms I could picture some extreme Q/GOPers wanting to 'take out' the POTUS and VEEP to 'win back' the Presidency that way.
I would suggest perhaps the Presidential succession should go through the Presidents own Cabinet before it reverts back to the House.1 -
Suicide.alex_ said:
I think it's unrelated to the Riot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
"Maybe it starts in one city" ... quite circumspect.Theuniondivvie said:Let the healing begin!
https://twitter.com/gem_ste/status/1348222750683398147?s=20
A moderate?3 -
"the market will need to resolve to a new equilibrium" is meaningless, because it is what always happens. If I put you out of business, your customers will obtain from others what they used to get from you, so what is your problem?Philip_Thompson said:
Well precisely, that's the kind of disruption we'd always have and which the market will need to resolve to a new equilibrium just as I always expected.eek said:
So I've fully prepared for trading under WTO rules. The issue is that because France (pick your EU country) needs paperwork from the customer's buying my goods they no longer wish to purchase from me as other providers are less hassle.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
When? When did I say that?Gallowgate said:
You said that companies should have prepared just like they were told to.Philip_Thompson said:
Not sure why you tagged me. I never said that.Gallowgate said:
The wasters should have prepared, just like Boris Johnson and Philip_Thompson told them to.eek said:Another one for RochdalePioneers (merely because it's your expertise). Food exports are going well
https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216
I particularly like the 18 new steps required for exporting fish to the EU and the 8 steps the imports then have to follow. Unsurprisingly the importers are deciding that other sources that don't require 8 additional steps are easier to buy from.
This is all their own fault.
I said there'd be disruption but the market will resolve it and find a new equilibrium.
The logical conclusion to that is that if they weren't prepared, it's their own fault.
I don't recall saying that. I said they were advised to prepare for WTO and if they had then any preparations for WTO should be best placed for if we ended up without a deal, or if we did have one. But I always expected disruption and I always said that. I never pretended or claimed it would be easy or without disruption. Nor did I say anything about fault, so no need to put words in my mouth I didn't use.
Hence Gallowgate's nonsense in suggesting I was arguing preparations would resolve this. They won't. The disruption will occur no matter what.0
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