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Hmmm, that makes UKIP's chances there much better.AndyJS said:Victoria Ayling selected by UKIP in Great Grimsby. She stood in 2010 for the Tories:
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Ukip-s-election-hopeful/story-21210872-detail/story.html
Local election result:
UKIP 6,104
Lab 4,716
Con 2,963
LD 2,418
Ind 619
Green 433
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They are getting closer:
Telegraph
17.36 There are reports that fighting between Iraqi and al-Qaeda forces taking place near al-Taji - 15 miles from Baghdad.
Using a metaphore from WW2 operation Barbarossa, ISIS is looking at the spires of the Baghdad mosques.0 -
@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.0 -
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
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Agreed. And if all that Iain Martin can muster in the way of tepid criticism is a nameless "Tory aide", really the revolution has some way to go.GIN1138 said:
"Recently a Tory aide described him to me as being like an unwelcome guest hanging around at the end of a party refusing to leave"ToryJim said:Can Nick Clegg be saved asks Iain Martin.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100276131/can-nick-clegg-be-saved/
Ouch, LOL! :^O
Clearly Clegg is finished in the long-term, but I do think the Lib-Dems will carry on with him up until May 2015. I mean, who in their right mind would want to take over the Lib-Dems in their current state?
Far better to leave Clegg where he is and take the hit, then rebuild from the ruins of 2015 with whoever survives the slaughter...
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How Sharia Law will make a new smoke free zone:
Smoking will be punished: ISIS burns cigarettes in #Raqqa, Syria. pic.twitter.com/lclNpORTZH
— Julie (@MsIntervention) June 12, 2014
Only the start, they'll be burning books next as well as hanging bodies.0 -
"As the White House appeared poised to send military aid to Syrian rebels, new concerns arose that the weapons will inevitably fall into the hands of terrorist groups who count themselves among hundreds of factions that form the rag-tag Free Syrian Army."Socrates said:@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.
You were warned.0 -
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.0 -
Your opinions are published on the internet but they are not about the internet.SeanT said:
Mmm. Dunno. I get paid to write opinions on the internet. Do you?OblitusSumMe said:
You don't really understand this internet thing do you?SeanT said:How can this not be a thread about Iraq???
Iraq is like World War Z.
A psychotic caliphate is emerging in the Middle East (thanks Tony), which threatens global stability. American power is now so weak no one can fix it. This could engulf the world.
And pb talks about con-ld battlegrounds.
It's almost reassuring, and also ludicrous.
Supposing I was paid to write about my knowledge of widget-manufacturing for a trade magazine - it would hardly make me an expert on the publishing business would it?0 -
MikeK said:
How Sharia Law will make a new smoke free zone:
Smoking will be punished: ISIS burns cigarettes in #Raqqa, Syria. pic.twitter.com/lclNpORTZH
— Julie (@MsIntervention) June 12, 2014
Only the start, they'll be burning books next as well as hanging bodies.
They've gone beyond that, they crucify them.
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ISIS were never part of the Free Syrian Army. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.Speedy said:
"As the White House appeared poised to send military aid to Syrian rebels, new concerns arose that the weapons will inevitably fall into the hands of terrorist groups who count themselves among hundreds of factions that form the rag-tag Free Syrian Army."Socrates said:@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.
You were warned.0 -
My mistake!JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria0 -
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria0 -
They were against because not only for political reasons but also for fear of aiding islamic terrorists, they were right, now the west has to fight once more against the people it supported.Socrates said:
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.0 -
As previously discussed on here, she has an interesting backstory. As does the UKIP candidate for Great Yarmouth. They don't seem very interested in dispelling the fringe image.AndyJS said:Victoria Ayling selected by UKIP in Great Grimsby. She stood in 2010 for the Tories:
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Ukip-s-election-hopeful/story-21210872-detail/story.html
Local election result:
UKIP 6,104
Lab 4,716
Con 2,963
LD 2,418
Ind 619
Green 433
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For the nineteenth time, we never supported ISIS. I'm going to stop responding to you now, because you don't know the different players involved and you clearly aren't capable of hearing simple arguments. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over, like Orson Lannister with a rock.Speedy said:
They were against because not only for political reasons but also for fear of aiding islamic terrorists, they were right, now the west has to fight once more against the people it supported.Socrates said:
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.0 -
Must be all that good breeding. I wonder if royal families are on average taller (given that is measurable) or attractive than the general population.ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria0 -
Is he on JohnLoony's list of royal male hotties ?ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
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I think that many of those comprising the FSA in the past are now in ISIS, so the aid to the FSA went in the end to ISIS, they simply switched badges.Socrates said:
ISIS were never part of the Free Syrian Army. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.Speedy said:
"As the White House appeared poised to send military aid to Syrian rebels, new concerns arose that the weapons will inevitably fall into the hands of terrorist groups who count themselves among hundreds of factions that form the rag-tag Free Syrian Army."Socrates said:@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.
You were warned.0 -
So when would have been the right time to pull out of Iraq? Or do you agree with Romney's position of a permanent military presence there? You're all over the place here. You were gung-ho about going into Afghanistan. Then you were gung-ho about going into Iraq. Then you thought Iraq was a massive mistake. Then you added Afghanistan as another mistake. Then you insisted we should stop caring about the rest of the world and retrench back to the UK. Now you're gung-ho about keeping troops in Iraq. You're like the living, walking embodiment of the general public's id, in all its inconsistent glory.SeanT said:
I have never made a single comment EVER about the wisdom, or otherwise, of America pulling ALL its troops out of Iraq.Socrates said:
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.
I wanted the UK out cause we were useless, pointless, feeble, and just getting killed.
Romney was right, Obama was grossly wrong. Suck it up.0 -
He should beJackW said:
Is he on JohnLoony's list of royal male hotties ?ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
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At the moment she's the only selected candidate for the constituency. I expect UKIP would like that to remain the case for as long as possible.antifrank said:
As previously discussed on here, she has an interesting backstory. As does the UKIP candidate for Great Yarmouth. They don't seem very interested in dispelling the fringe image.AndyJS said:Victoria Ayling selected by UKIP in Great Grimsby. She stood in 2010 for the Tories:
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Ukip-s-election-hopeful/story-21210872-detail/story.html
Local election result:
UKIP 6,104
Lab 4,716
Con 2,963
LD 2,418
Ind 619
Green 433
TUSC 2130 -
The Yanks wanted to leave a presence in Iraq but they could not accept that US soldiers would be answerable to Iraqi law - Iraq would not waive that condition.Socrates said:
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.
The signals of war-weariness given out with the decisions not to help the Syrian rebels might have given Putin the idea that he could get away with annexing Crimea and ISIS to increase their activity in the Middle East.
Large areas of the world are basically ungovernable with regular military forces just running away from the bad guys.
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Ah, the classic Thomas nuance, swinging from one emotional extreme to the other. You get angry at something in the world, so you announce your support for some ridiculous policy out of the need to show you feel so strongly about something you have to be provocative about it. Only, it fails to be provocative any more because we're all so used to it. Then you calm down about it a few weeks later, before the next event shoves you off on an extreme again. Whether that extreme is the same one as before or diametrically opposite is irrelevant.SeanT said:
You're a f*cking idiot. That only needs to be said once.
We should have armed ASSAD.0 -
I shall consult Mrs JackW on the issue later .... she has fine taste in attractive men ....ToryJim said:
He should beJackW said:
Is he on JohnLoony's list of royal male hotties ?ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
Cough ....
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Attractive young men.. sorry, JackW. :')JackW said:
I shall consult Mrs JackW on the issue later .... she has fine taste in attractive man ....ToryJim said:
He should beJackW said:
Is he on JohnLoony's list of royal male hotties ?ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
Cough ....
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We can still do it now, the USA has changed camps many times (example from supporting Mubarak to supporting the muslim brotherhood to supporting the coup against them all in 2 years time).SeanT said:
You're a f*cking idiot. That only needs to be said once.Socrates said:
For the nineteenth time, we never supported ISIS. I'm going to stop responding to you now, because you don't know the different players involved and you clearly aren't capable of hearing simple arguments. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over, like Orson Lannister with a rock.Speedy said:
They were against because not only for political reasons but also for fear of aiding islamic terrorists, they were right, now the west has to fight once more against the people it supported.Socrates said:
You were one of the ones demanding that we leave Iraq as soon as possible. Now you're backing Romney's claim - the diametric opposite of what you wanted.SeanT said:
Obama's handling of Syria and Iraq has been catastrophic. Romney warned him to leave troops in Baghdad.
@BryanJacoutot
I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question, @CNN, but I've answered it for you #Iraq --> http://tinyurl.com/nwmckkh
In Foreign Policy terms, Obama will surely go down as one of the worst ever US presidents. He is lucky he was preceded by Dubya Bush, who was even more calamitous.
The Republicans are all sorts of hypocritical here. They were the ones that were rallying to vote down a congressional motion on supporting the FSA in Syria. That lack of intervention allowed ISIS and the Islamic Front to take over and is responsible for the present mess. Now they're insistent we go into Iraq again.
We should have armed ASSAD.
Politicians think that the people will think of them as weak if they change their position.
I however think that a politician is an idiot if he doesn't change his position when new information arises.0 -
O/T:
David Dimbleby will be in conversation with Martina Navratilova at Eastbourne's Congress Theatre next Thursday:
http://www.townereastbourne.org.uk/event/david-dimbleby-in-conversation-with-martina-navratilova/
Didn't know he was a tennis fan, but he must be in order to have an interesting conversation with Navratilova.0 -
If you want to provide some evidence to back that up, I'm happy to hear it.Speedy said:
I think that many of those comprising the FSA in the past are now in ISIS, so the aid to the FSA went in the end to ISIS, they simply switched badges.Socrates said:
ISIS were never part of the Free Syrian Army. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.Speedy said:
"As the White House appeared poised to send military aid to Syrian rebels, new concerns arose that the weapons will inevitably fall into the hands of terrorist groups who count themselves among hundreds of factions that form the rag-tag Free Syrian Army."Socrates said:@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.
You were warned.0 -
Sorry. I tend to focus on getting the content right, rather than being one of these creative types that's all style and no substance.SeanT said:
Got bored by the absurd clumsiness of sentence two, sorry. Stopped reading then. Improve your prose.Socrates said:
Ah, the classic Thomas nuance, swinging from one emotional extreme to the other. You get angry at something in the world, so you announce your support for some ridiculous policy out of the need to show you feel so strongly about something you have to be provocative about it. Only, it fails to be provocative any more because we're all so used to it. Then you calm down about it a few weeks later, before the next event shoves you off on an extreme again. Whether that extreme is the same one as before or diametrically opposite is irrelevant.SeanT said:
You're a f*cking idiot. That only needs to be said once.
We should have armed ASSAD.0 -
Geoff Garbett selected for the Greens in Camborne & Redruth:
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Green-Party-announce-general-election-candidate/story-21225230-detail/story.html0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10498477/Leading-Syrian-rebels-defect-dealing-blow-to-fight-against-al-Qaeda.htmlSocrates said:
If you want to provide some evidence to back that up, I'm happy to hear it.Speedy said:
I think that many of those comprising the FSA in the past are now in ISIS, so the aid to the FSA went in the end to ISIS, they simply switched badges.Socrates said:
ISIS were never part of the Free Syrian Army. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.Speedy said:
"As the White House appeared poised to send military aid to Syrian rebels, new concerns arose that the weapons will inevitably fall into the hands of terrorist groups who count themselves among hundreds of factions that form the rag-tag Free Syrian Army."Socrates said:@Speedy
Your first two links, and the quote you added, referr to the Islamic Front, the Saudi-aligned group, taking weapons, and who are a far larger group. While there was passing mention of a raid ISIS did earlier, this was by no means "most" of the American-supplied weapons, which is just ridiculous. Your third link referred to neither, instead mentioning some of the more conservative groups in the FSA.
If you can't even distinguish between the different groups here, this is a pointless conversation. It always amazes me how many people like to claim they know more than the US state department on international conflict when they don't even know who the different players involved are.
You were warned.
And I just won the argument.0 -
JackW is young in spiritRobD said:
Attractive young men.. sorry, JackW. :')JackW said:
I shall consult Mrs JackW on the issue later .... she has fine taste in attractive man ....ToryJim said:
He should beJackW said:
Is he on JohnLoony's list of royal male hotties ?ToryJim said:
The next but one claimant Joseph Wenzel is a rather attractive young man.JackW said:
No.RobD said:
Didn't know you supported the restoration of the Jacobite branch, Avery (at least I think the current claimant is a Spanish noble). Of course, it would be correct Scotland would be senior in such a union.AveryLP said:
It won't be long before Rafa is playing for Scotland, Jack.JackW said:Nadal loses his first match at the Halle grass court tournament to Dustin Brown of Germany 6:4 6:1
The current (non claiming) claimant is Franz, HRH The Duke of Bavaria :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria
Cough ....
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Anyway, back to the cricket where I should be able to cover Sri Lanka at very long odds after a great evening session by England. I'm red on the draw but it looks unlikely.0
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No. You said "many". That article mentions one commander. Suffice to say, that won't lead to your claim that "most" of the weapons provided to the FSA have ended up with ISIS.Speedy said:0 -
18.29 Iran 'deploys two battalions of the Quds force with experience of fighting in Iraq to help their Iraq counterparts defend Samara and win back parts of Tikrit' - Wall Street Journal reports
17.36 There are reports that fighting between Iraqi and al-Qaeda forces taking place near al-Taji - 15 miles from Baghdad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10892299/Iraq-crisis-al-Qaeda-militants-push-towards-Baghdad-live.html0 -
As I wrote before if the west says no to Iraq then Iraq will turn to Iran for military help.RobD said:Interesting:
Andrew Neil
@afneil
Reports that Iranian Revolutionary Guards -- two Quds battalions -- have helped Baghdad re-take Tikrit.
A formal alliance between Syria, Iraq and Iran might not be long now.0 -
A lot of defeatist comments on this LD blog page:
http://www.libdemvoice.org/in-the-next-month-8-seats-will-shortlist-their-wannabe-lib-dem-mps-40743.html0 -
I opposed Iraq, and still oppose it now. In Afghanistan, you thought and think we should have gone in and then got the hell out. Yet in Iraq, you now seem to think we should have stayed in, until at least now, and on until when? Until the country was completely stabilised in several decades time?SeanT said:
Iraq shock and awe was a stupid war I stupidly supported (did you? do you still?)
I crave the forgiveness of the universe for my idiocy, but then I was lied to by my government.
Otherwise I am (by my standards) fairly consistent, I thought and think and said we should have gone into Afghanistan, routed the Taliban (as Bush did) then got the hell out. After that we should have just bought off the tribes with money for their opium crops. Infinitely cheaper in blood and treasure.
I was always against intervening in Syria on the side of the rebels (unlike your ludicrous posturing) because I could see that western voters simply didn't want it, and that the jihadists would inevitably take over and get the weapons.
In the light of changing events my opinions evolve (as I am sentient being, are you?) and I now wonder if we should have actually supported Assad, unpalatable as that might seem.
Anyone who never changes their opinion, as the world changes around them, is the worst kind of fool. A dangerous fool.0 -
"Mebyon Kernow announce Loveday Jenkin will contest Camborne and Redruth seat at General Election":
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Mebyon-Kernow-announce-Loveday-Jenkin-contest/story-21133557-detail/story.html
"Mrs Jenkin lives in Praze-an-Beeble and represents the parishes of Crowan and Wendron on Cornwall Council, as well as working tirelessly to promote the Cornish language."0 -
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).0 -
So you came back for more ha?Socrates said:
No. You said "many". That article mentions one commander. Suffice to say, that won't lead to your claim that "most" of the weapons provided to the FSA have ended up with ISIS.Speedy said:
Take another hammering.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group0 -
America probably made the right decision in pulling out of foreign wars when it has millions of people using soup kitchens every day.0
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I regret hugely not taking the 1/2 at Ladbrokes on them losing all their deposits last time...AndyJS said:"Mebyon Kernow announce Loveday Jenkin will contest Camborne and Redruth seat at General Election":
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Mebyon-Kernow-announce-Loveday-Jenkin-contest/story-21133557-detail/story.html
"Mrs Jenkin lives in Praze-an-Beeble and represents the parishes of Crowan and Wendron on Cornwall Council, as well as working tirelessly to promote the Cornish language."0 -
That's al-Nusra. Not ISIS. You're really struggling here.Speedy said:
So you came back for more ha?Socrates said:
No. You said "many". That article mentions one commander. Suffice to say, that won't lead to your claim that "most" of the weapons provided to the FSA have ended up with ISIS.Speedy said:
Take another hammering.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group0 -
Third round of bombing then:Socrates said:
That's al-Nusra. Not ISIS. You're really struggling here.Speedy said:
So you came back for more ha?Socrates said:
No. You said "many". That article mentions one commander. Suffice to say, that won't lead to your claim that "most" of the weapons provided to the FSA have ended up with ISIS.Speedy said:
Take another hammering.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1216/As-foreign-funds-run-dry-Syrian-fighters-defect-to-anti-Western-militias-video
How many more needed?0 -
ISIS now control the Tigris and Euphrates...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25722-extremists-in-iraq-now-control-the-countrys-rivers.html#.U5noIPldV8E
There was also a report on Sky earlier that they'd captured Baghdad's main power plant (located around 100 miles to the north).0 -
I wonder if his lordships pollsters will be visiting Yeovil?0
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I was not on the site then. It was a reckless distraction from Afghanistan, and it was foolish to try to fight two wars at once, particularly against a dictator that we had completely contained, and when we didn't have any local allies.SeanT said:I am happy to dish out insults, but I am also happy to dish out plaudits.
If you genuinely opposed the Iraq war (I can't remember your comments, were you even on the site then) - then I commend you for your foresight and your good sense.
Supporting that catastrophic war was the stupidest opinion I have ever held, and the one which most shames me to this day.
I'm still genuinely surprised at your apparent support for Romney in keeping tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for many years to come. This seems out of keeping with your views on Afghanistan, and your view that we shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place.
I would also point out that Obama opposed the war in Iraq - one of the few interventionist Democrats to do so - and Romney supported it.0 -
All that this means is probably a repeat of what happened in 1914. We now have war across Syria, Iraq and Ukraine with Russia in Syria, US in Iraq US in Ukraine and Russia in Ukraine too.SeanT said:
lol. You're serious. You think the US still dominates in world affairs?ToryJim said:
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).
In 1945 America constituted 50% of global GDP, now it is down around 17% and falling VERY VERY fast. China has already, by some measures, surpassed it in GDP by PPP.
http://www.ecominoes.com/2012/11/us-share-of-world-gdp-falls-32-since.html
America spends more on guns than any other country but it matters not a jot as 1. it got chased away by kids with DIY suicide bombs in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Sure it can drone a few targets but as we see with ISIS this is irrelevant. Moreover, 2, the American public no longer WANT to be the world policeman. They want their sons to stay home and live. And why not?
It's over. America's dominance is over. This is a sad thing for westerners, but it is the case. Denying it is pointless, and dangerous, as we now have to deal with a multipolar, unpoliced world, and all that this means.0 -
They are now 15 miles from Baghdad.RodCrosby said:ISIS now control the Tigris and Euphrates...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25722-extremists-in-iraq-now-control-the-countrys-rivers.html#.U5noIPldV8E
There was also a report on Sky earlier that they'd captured Baghdad's main power plant (located around 100 miles to the north).
If america doesn't start bombing before Saturday it might be too late, the only ray of hope for Iraq is that Iran has sent military forces last night to aid them.0 -
18.42 Germany has urged its citizens to immediately leave parts of Iraq, including Baghdad.
The Foreign Ministry says Germans should leave the governorates of Anbar, Ninevah and Salah al-Din and expressed concern about the situation in Diyala and Kirkuk governorates.0 -
That's Ahrar ash-Sham, who are part of the Saudi-aligned Islamic Front. Again, not ISIS. How many more needed? Well, just one that actually says that many FSA have defected to ISIS. So far you have one commander (who, for the record, was captured by ISIS and then changed allegiance as a prisoner).Speedy said:
Third round of bombing then:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1216/As-foreign-funds-run-dry-Syrian-fighters-defect-to-anti-Western-militias-video
How many more needed?0 -
Of course the US is still dominant, they still in essence back stop the international community. Of course it's position will evolve but the idea that the US won't still be significant in international affairs for many years to come is just silly.SeanT said:
lol. You're serious. You think the US still dominates in world affairs?ToryJim said:
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).
In 1945 America constituted 50% of global GDP, now it is down around 17% and falling VERY VERY fast. China has already, by some measures, surpassed it in GDP by PPP.
http://www.ecominoes.com/2012/11/us-share-of-world-gdp-falls-32-since.html
America spends more on guns than any other country but it matters not a jot as 1. it got chased away by kids with DIY suicide bombs in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Sure it can drone a few targets but as we see with ISIS this is irrelevant. Moreover, 2, the American public no longer WANT to be the world policeman. They want their sons to stay home and live. And why not?
It's over. America's dominance is over. This is a sad thing for westerners, but it is the case. Denying it is pointless, and dangerous, as we now have to deal with a multipolar, unpoliced world, and all that this means.
The American public alternate between isolationism and chanting U-S-A like demented morons. We shall see how American policy develops but I doubt they are going to shut themselves away on their continent and ignore the rest of the earth.0 -
Then watch as I drop the Big one on you:Socrates said:
That's Ahrar ash-Sham, who are part of the Saudi-aligned Islamic Front. Again, not ISIS. How many more needed? Well, just one that actually says that many FSA have defected to ISIS. So far you have one commander (who, for the record, was captured by ISIS and then changed allegiance as a prisoner).Speedy said:
Third round of bombing then:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1216/As-foreign-funds-run-dry-Syrian-fighters-defect-to-anti-Western-militias-video
How many more needed?
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/25/syrian-rebel-groupsslamwesternbackedopposition.html
13 Battalions Socrates!!, 13 Battalions!!
And "According to US intelligence officials, a few al-Qaeda members released from prisons by the Syrian government have been able to influence actions of the group and install operatives within senior ranks of Ahrar ash-Sham.[15][16][17] Such ties were not disclosed publicly until January 2014 when a senior leader of Ahrar ash-Sham, Abu Khalid al-Suri, acknowledged his long-time membership in al-Qaeda.[18][16]" from wikipedia.0 -
I think ISIS will have a tough time taking Baghdad itself as it is Shia majority.
The north is Sunni.
Iraq may well split into 3 - Kurdistan; the Sunni Levant? (Which will also unofficially include Syria to the east of the Euphrates) and "Shia Iraq" which will contain Baghdad and everywhere south. The Sunni region will be a hell hole with ISIS running it.0 -
Yeah ye of little faith - Briskin and Co is back.
For the World Cup we have decided to follow the two blogs (ie PB + Guido) at the same time.
Expect misspellings and idioacy for 4 weeks.0 -
WWIII already started. The sides are Russia and China openly, plus India, Germany and most of the rest of the world secretly vs America and its remaining client states. It's not going to be fought with nukes for obvious reasons, it's being fought economically and the US is losing.ToryJim said:
Of course the US is still dominant, they still in essence back stop the international community. Of course it's position will evolve but the idea that the US won't still be significant in international affairs for many years to come is just silly.SeanT said:
lol. You're serious. You think the US still dominates in world affairs?ToryJim said:
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).
In 1945 America constituted 50% of global GDP, now it is down around 17% and falling VERY VERY fast. China has already, by some measures, surpassed it in GDP by PPP.
http://www.ecominoes.com/2012/11/us-share-of-world-gdp-falls-32-since.html
America spends more on guns than any other country but it matters not a jot as 1. it got chased away by kids with DIY suicide bombs in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Sure it can drone a few targets but as we see with ISIS this is irrelevant. Moreover, 2, the American public no longer WANT to be the world policeman. They want their sons to stay home and live. And why not?
It's over. America's dominance is over. This is a sad thing for westerners, but it is the case. Denying it is pointless, and dangerous, as we now have to deal with a multipolar, unpoliced world, and all that this means.
The American public alternate between isolationism and chanting U-S-A like demented morons. We shall see how American policy develops but I doubt they are going to shut themselves away on their continent and ignore the rest of the earth.
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Then its the WWIV since the cold war was not much different, but you are panicking too much, it's the normal state of affairs that existed before WWI.MrJones said:
WWIII already started. The sides are Russia and China openly, plus India, Germany and most of the rest of the world secretly vs America and its remaining client states. It's not going to be fought with nukes for obvious reasons, it's being fought economically and the US is losing.ToryJim said:
Of course the US is still dominant, they still in essence back stop the international community. Of course it's position will evolve but the idea that the US won't still be significant in international affairs for many years to come is just silly.SeanT said:
lol. You're serious. You think the US still dominates in world affairs?ToryJim said:
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).
In 1945 America constituted 50% of global GDP, now it is down around 17% and falling VERY VERY fast. China has already, by some measures, surpassed it in GDP by PPP.
http://www.ecominoes.com/2012/11/us-share-of-world-gdp-falls-32-since.html
America spends more on guns than any other country but it matters not a jot as 1. it got chased away by kids with DIY suicide bombs in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Sure it can drone a few targets but as we see with ISIS this is irrelevant. Moreover, 2, the American public no longer WANT to be the world policeman. They want their sons to stay home and live. And why not?
It's over. America's dominance is over. This is a sad thing for westerners, but it is the case. Denying it is pointless, and dangerous, as we now have to deal with a multipolar, unpoliced world, and all that this means.
The American public alternate between isolationism and chanting U-S-A like demented morons. We shall see how American policy develops but I doubt they are going to shut themselves away on their continent and ignore the rest of the earth.0 -
Iran vs Isis would be bloody.0
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It doesn't mention that any of those joined ISIS, and all five of the named brigades listed joined the Islamic Front, not ISIS. You specifically said many had joined ISIS, the people that have taken over eastern Iraq, and that was the bit that I disputed.Speedy said:
Then watch as I drop the Big one on you:Socrates said:
That's Ahrar ash-Sham, who are part of the Saudi-aligned Islamic Front. Again, not ISIS. How many more needed? Well, just one that actually says that many FSA have defected to ISIS. So far you have one commander (who, for the record, was captured by ISIS and then changed allegiance as a prisoner).Speedy said:
Third round of bombing then:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1216/As-foreign-funds-run-dry-Syrian-fighters-defect-to-anti-Western-militias-video
How many more needed?
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/25/syrian-rebel-groupsslamwesternbackedopposition.html
13 Battalions Socrates!!, 13 Battalions!!
And "According to US intelligence officials, a few al-Qaeda members released from prisons by the Syrian government have been able to influence actions of the group and install operatives within senior ranks of Ahrar ash-Sham.[15][16][17] Such ties were not disclosed publicly until January 2014 when a senior leader of Ahrar ash-Sham, Abu Khalid al-Suri, acknowledged his long-time membership in al-Qaeda.[18][16]" from wikipedia.0 -
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)
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+2mg's of benzos isn't that bad is it? Expect some misspelling.0
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I'm perfectly chilled. Very pleased it's going to be fought economically and not with nukes.Speedy said:
Then its the WWIV since the cold war was not much different, but you are panicking too much, it's the normal state of affairs that existed before WWI.MrJones said:
WWIII already started. The sides are Russia and China openly, plus India, Germany and most of the rest of the world secretly vs America and its remaining client states. It's not going to be fought with nukes for obvious reasons, it's being fought economically and the US is losing.ToryJim said:
Of course the US is still dominant, they still in essence back stop the international community. Of course it's position will evolve but the idea that the US won't still be significant in international affairs for many years to come is just silly.SeanT said:
lol. You're serious. You think the US still dominates in world affairs?ToryJim said:
I think you are being a touch hysterical. America isn't an irrelevance, it may have a crisis over to what extent it uses it's soft or it's hard power but I think to proclaim the end of US dominance in world affairs is exceptionally premature.SeanT said:Fantastic irony that America now NEEDS Iranian help to keep the Middle East from exploding.
It would be unacceptable in a movie or a novel.
Incredible.
This is the post-American world. As the global hegemon recedes and a multipolar world takes over. This is what it will be like, until China decides she might like to be world policeman (which I doubt).
In 1945 America constituted 50% of global GDP, now it is down around 17% and falling VERY VERY fast. China has already, by some measures, surpassed it in GDP by PPP.
http://www.ecominoes.com/2012/11/us-share-of-world-gdp-falls-32-since.html
America spends more on guns than any other country but it matters not a jot as 1. it got chased away by kids with DIY suicide bombs in Iraq and now Afghanistan. Sure it can drone a few targets but as we see with ISIS this is irrelevant. Moreover, 2, the American public no longer WANT to be the world policeman. They want their sons to stay home and live. And why not?
It's over. America's dominance is over. This is a sad thing for westerners, but it is the case. Denying it is pointless, and dangerous, as we now have to deal with a multipolar, unpoliced world, and all that this means.
The American public alternate between isolationism and chanting U-S-A like demented morons. We shall see how American policy develops but I doubt they are going to shut themselves away on their continent and ignore the rest of the earth.
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Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)0 -
Oh fuck - we've got an hour an a half of this to go - at least I can still type0
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But Shias like Assad are still seen as 'Infidels' by ISIS.Pulpstar said:
Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)0 -
Wow this Tea Partier really is vile.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/scott-esk-stoning-gays_n_5486678.html0 -
What with that and the bacon butty, it's hard to resist the conclusion that Labour are doing it deliberately. I guess their thinking must be that if they keep issuing photos of Ed looking weird, people will get bored with it and that will neutralise the issue.GIN1138 said:0 -
Like in WW2 the western front became quiet when Hitler invaded the USSR.Pulpstar said:
Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)0 -
Is Labour comms strategy that sophisticated or competent.Richard_Nabavi said:
What with that and the bacon butty, it's hard to resist the conclusion that Labour are doing it deliberately. I guess their thinking must be that if they keep issuing photos of Ed looking weird, people will get bored with it and that will neutralise the issue.GIN1138 said:
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It's scary to think that in less than 12 months this guy could actually be Prime Minister for five years...Richard_Nabavi said:
What with that and the bacon butty, it's hard to resist the conclusion that Labour are doing it deliberately. I guess their thinking must be that if they keep issuing photos of Ed looking weird, people will get bored with it and that will neutralise the issue.GIN1138 said:
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Nor the Peshmerga the very large, well organised and effective Kurdish militia who are generally allied with the US as insurance against the Turks.Pulpstar said:
Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)
So if the US wants local boots on the ground they already have lots of them on the spot.
And yet no Peshmerga.
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Is it to do with the colouring or have large swathes of people not bothered to turn up for this rubbish posturing as an opening ceremony? The upper tiers look quite empty. It would be a terrible shame if the officials in FIFA had not managed to sell all their free tickets.
Presumably the crowds will turn up when all this nonsense gets off the pitch and they start to play football?0 -
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singinglip-synching at the opening shindig is dire0 -
One Danny Boyle, There's only one Danny Boyle.0
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The LDs have reached 14% in the polls once this year, on 12th January with ICM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election0 -
LolTheScreamingEagles said:One Danny Boyle, There's only one Danny Boyle.
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The crowds may be too busy riotingDavidL said:Is it to do with the colouring or have large swathes of people not bothered to turn up for this rubbish posturing as an opening ceremony? The upper tiers look quite empty. It would be a terrible shame if the officials in FIFA had not managed to sell all their free tickets.
Presumably the crowds will turn up when all this nonsense gets off the pitch and they start to play football?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9uZxqDbck
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The Peshmerga pushed ISIS out of Kirkuk 2 days ago, they are trying to stabilize the front so far because ISIS is very mobile thanks to those Humvees.MrJones said:
Nor the Peshmerga the very large, well organised and effective Kurdish militia who are generally allied with the US as insurance against the Turks.Pulpstar said:
Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)
So if the US wants local boots on the ground they already have lots of them on the spot.
And yet no Peshmerga.0 -
GIN1138 said:
LabourList @LabourList
Update: Liverpool Echo report that Steve Rotherham MP has called for a meeting with Miliband’s office over Sun photo http://labli.st/1q8ggxD
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The US has a big proxy army sitting literally a few miles to the northeast of where the action is and they're not using it.Speedy said:
The Peshmerga pushed ISIS out of Kirkuk 2 days ago, they are trying to stabilize the front so far because ISIS is very mobile thanks to those Humvees.MrJones said:
Nor the Peshmerga the very large, well organised and effective Kurdish militia who are generally allied with the US as insurance against the Turks.Pulpstar said:
Assad and ISIS seem suspiciously NOT in conflict...Speedy said:
I believe Iran has a 20-1 advantage over ISIS in numbers, but ISIS has american weapons.AndyJS said:Iran vs Isis would be bloody.
A war between ISIS on one hand and Syria, Iraq and Iran on the other might be swift if the Iranians put half a million troops on the eastern front.
(Gosh it's like a mini WW2!, ISIS is on the outskirts of Moscow sorry Baghdad, Assad is doing a Churchill in Syria and Iran is like the USA changing the tide)
So if the US wants local boots on the ground they already have lots of them on the spot.
And yet no Peshmerga.
Instead they're trying to bounce Obama into a second Iraq by crying wolf over the imminent fall of Baghdad to some dudes in humvees.
Which comically is looking like it might not work because of **Iranian** army units in Baghdad.
lolz
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Quite..ToryJim said:Wow this Tea Partier really is vile.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/scott-esk-stoning-gays_n_5486678.html0 -
Bush Sr celebrates his 90th birthday by parachuting out of a plane.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10896156/George-Bush-senior-marks-90th-birthday-by-parachuting-out-of-a-helicopter.html0 -
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/35da02e4-f18c-11e3-9161-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk#axzz34PwhuFOgRobD said:
Quite..ToryJim said:Wow this Tea Partier really is vile.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/scott-esk-stoning-gays_n_5486678.html
"Eric Cantor’s defeat is a shaft of light in dark political times: The House majority leader’s defeat disproves the hypothesis that money is all there is"
If you want another perspective.
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Damn - I may have peaked too son - please let me aware for the score on next day.0
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Arming the rebels in Syria was both evil and stupid. The alarming thing is Cameron actually wanted to intervene, only a matter of years after the Iraq catastrophe.
Blowback.0 -
Fred Boycott @FredBoycott 10mDavidL said:ToryJim said:This
singinglip-synching at the opening shindig is dire
How could you tell? #worseacousticsever
Just watched that World Cup opening ceremony thingy. I've heard better sound on long wave, in a tunnel..0 -
Saudis and other gulf states.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So where did ISIS get all their kit?Socrates said:
These idiots don't even know who the different groups are in Syria. ISIS and al-Nusra were beheading FSA fighters. Anyone that thinks we were arming ISIS are about as thick as those idiots that thought Saddam was connected to al-Qaeda.Speedy said:
U.S. Dept. of Fear @FearDept 24m
It never occurred to us that equipping jihadists to wreck #Syria would have consequences for Iraq. Who would have thought?
Here are some more maps for AndyJS:
http://www.wnyc.org/story/iraq-falls-apart/
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