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Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Bond_James_Bond said:

BobaFett said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BobaFett said:

@JBriskin

I fail to see what the bloody fuss was about re: Salmond and the saltire.

Scottish FM celebrates Scottish player who was born in Scotland and is a proud Scot winning by waving a Scottish flag.

It's not the effing Olympics where you are only allowed to wave the flags Seb Coe approves of, thank god. In most major sports he'd be playing officially for Scotland anyway, and, according to Google Sports, he does in tennis too...

Andy Murray told the Sunday Times last weekend he didn't like Salmond waving the flag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10884726/Andy-Murray-I-didnt-like-Alex-Salmonds-Scottish-flag-waving-at-Wimbledon.html

So what? I'm not surprised given the media hysteria it caused. If it had passed without comment from the Greater Englanders I suspect Murray wouldn't have minded. Who can forget the hoo-ha when the guy admitted he supported England's opponents at football? As England are Scotland's arch rivals fair enough. Yet the guy got lambasted for it. I say fair play to him, but he is clearly sore from the experience.

Is there a term for the situation where one country or entity considers another its arch rivals,

There must be a term for this unilateral sense of rivalry, unless it's just "inferiority complex"?

In rugby England's rivals are everyone. They all hate us. Every single one of them!

The big football rivalry for Germany is probably the Netherlands.

Maybe the closest equivalent to England v Scotland in one-sidedness of antipathy is Spain v Portugal.

SO

have tried several times over last 2 days to get details from Sunil re this evening, so suggest we reschedule when he finally gets round to ringing me !

Do you need Sunil's phone number ?

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Bond_James_Bond said:

BobaFett said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BobaFett said:

@JBriskin

I fail to see what the bloody fuss was about re: Salmond and the saltire.

Scottish FM celebrates Scottish player who was born in Scotland and is a proud Scot winning by waving a Scottish flag.

It's not the effing Olympics where you are only allowed to wave the flags Seb Coe approves of, thank god. In most major sports he'd be playing officially for Scotland anyway, and, according to Google Sports, he does in tennis too...

Andy Murray told the Sunday Times last weekend he didn't like Salmond waving the flag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10884726/Andy-Murray-I-didnt-like-Alex-Salmonds-Scottish-flag-waving-at-Wimbledon.html

So what? I'm not surprised given the media hysteria it caused. If it had passed without comment from the Greater Englanders I suspect Murray wouldn't have minded. Who can forget the hoo-ha when the guy admitted he supported England's opponents at football? As England are Scotland's arch rivals fair enough. Yet the guy got lambasted for it. I say fair play to him, but he is clearly sore from the experience.

Is there a term for the situation where one country or entity considers another its arch rivals,

There must be a term for this unilateral sense of rivalry, unless it's just "inferiority complex"?

In rugby England's rivals are everyone. They all hate us. Every single one of them!

The big football rivalry for Germany is probably the Netherlands.

Maybe the closest equivalent to England v Scotland in one-sidedness of antipathy is Spain v Portugal.

SO

have tried several times over last 2 days to get details from Sunil re this evening, so suggest we reschedule when he finally gets round to ringing me !

Do you need Sunil's phone number ?

yes if you've got it.

I sent him mine via vanilla but no call to date

I've just messaged it to you via vanilla.

TGOHF said:

I assume we are all on England for the test match ?

Yeah. Lanka wins the toss and will bowl.

Stuart_Dickson said:

New Ladbrokes markets: that 25/1 CON in D&G is a total no-brainer-> fill your pockets!!!

Dunfermline & West Fife
Labour 1/20
SNP 10/1
Liberal Democrats 20/1

Dumfries & Galloway
Labour1/50
SNP 25/1
Conservatives 25/1

Glasgow North
Labour 1/25
SNP 10/1
Liberal Democrats 25/1

That's ludicrously generous in D and G given that the Tories won the Euro vote there. Shadsy's on a giveaway day,

TGOHF said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Spud Murphy's conversation with the peepul going well.

http://tinyurl.com/mdgcdkz

Wonder what George Galloway was doing on Barra ?

No doubt telling the locals how much Catholics would be persecuted if they voted Yes, but the sight of Spud set him off.

The most fawning picture ever ?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2eHKNhe_fDLgqdF3H-mkWjvnB6l15KJ8GTaTRZZSZEq_GRQFj7Q

Tbf Murphy would look fawning even if he was kicking a kitten.

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

SouthamObserver said:

Socrates said:

BobaFett said:

Apart from the minor issue of us teaching children that a bloke turned water into wine and came back from the dead, no. And the other problem of schools teaching creationism as a science. Other than that, all fine and dandy.

I went to a Church of England school and was only taught the first thing as "this is what Christians believe." I was also taught about the other major religions.

As for the creationism thing, I believe that was put a stop to, so isn't currently a problem.

Besides, this stuff is not in any way comparable to calling Western women "white prostitutes", having pro-stoning books, anti-Christian chants etc? It really is an intellectual block on left-leaning people that they can't criticize Islam in isolation. It must always be accompanied with a bash at Christianity.

Were any of the schools in Birmingham Muslim schools in the same way as we have CoE or Catholic schools? I may be wrong, but none of them seem to have been. The issue looks to be much more about very lax governance and oversight.

Isnt the point that they were supposed to be secular schools?

This is a v. important point.

I wonder how widespread this practice of secular schools being taken over a certain religion when the area is overwhelmingly made up of just that religion

Tower Hamlets schools seem to have improved in a similar way to those in Birmingham in recent yeras

I've just realised I will be on Barra for the Scottish Referendum! Will be your Hebridean Correspondent through it all...

Socrates said:

rcs1000 said:

Is teaching of 'intelligent design' and 'teaching the [evolution] controversy' OK with state money at evangelical Christian schools?

No.

rcs1000 said:

What about at state funded orthodox Jewish schools in North London? I can assure you these would be as alien to you (except that the women dressed 'conservatively' would be white and unable to shake your hand) as those Islamic ones in Birmingham.

I would find such schools equally obnoxious, if true. My plan would be to require religious schools to get 20% of the intake from other religions. My guess would be that these obnoxiously religious ones wouldn't be able to attract such students, and could then be stripped of funding.

Why allow any state money to be used to promote religious ideology?

As @MikeK has pointed out, parents who want religious education can easily send their kids to after-school clubs. I wouldn't even mind them being done on school grounds, provided they were not part of the school day, and they paid a commercial rate for use of classrooms.

Quite a good comment on Cricinfo:

""Who picked the England batting line up, Eric Morecambe?" asks Mark from Yorkshire, where they know about this sort of thing. "We have picked the right players just not necessarily in the right order!" "

Kind of agree. Bell really should be at 3.

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

I've just realised I will be on Barra for the Scottish Referendum! Will be your Hebridean Correspondent through it all...

I'm in Edinburgh during the referendum.

Scotland is going to be full of PB Tories during this crucial time.

We could swing the result.

Yeah, but which way?

The Scots love me. Every time I go they always tell me to come back soon.

Usually when I tell them my earliest rugby memory was the 1990 Calcutta cup match.

TGOHF said:

England at 2.22 for the test is sensational.

Overreaction to the pitch colour.

Backed England at 2.22 and laid the draw at 2.68 for a tenner.

Stuart_Dickson said:

New Ladbrokes markets: that 25/1 CON in D&G is a total no-brainer-> fill your pockets!!!

Dunfermline & West Fife
Labour 1/20
SNP 10/1
Liberal Democrats 20/1

Dumfries & Galloway
Labour1/50
SNP 25/1
Conservatives 25/1

Glasgow North
Labour 1/25
SNP 10/1
Liberal Democrats 25/1

I can't see Dumfries & Galloway

Bond_James_Bond said:

It seems surprising that there is no way for one control column to be set as the 'master' so that the aeroplane responds to only one set of inputs rather than splitting the difference and not flying at all.

Suppose the Captain's control column is set as the master, but they have a heart attack and lie slumped over the controls.

I don't think there's a simple answer.

rcs1000 said:

Socrates said:

- Not allow absences for arranged marriages

Given that any 16 or 17 year old requires the permission of parents anyway, how do you differentiate?

I know several people who were in 'arranged' marriages, in that the parents organised for the people to meet someone who it was considered suitable for them to marry. But in each case, there was never any suggestion that anyone would marry someone whom they did not want to marry.

How do you define 'arranged' marriage?

I think he meant forced marriage. One of my cousins had a modern day arranged marriage where she was set up with a guy on a blind date that she was matched up to by some expert in our community (interests, height, looks, in that order). They went out for about a year and then got married. That's how it works today in the Indian community.

The same cousin has a muslim friend who was supposed to married, she had never met the bloke in her life and they had been set up from birth. Some random dude from Pakistan. She cried foul a week before the wedding and ran away to some specialist unit in the Birmingham police and she has not spoken to her family since then other than sent a letter to say she is alive and well, and not to try and find or contact her because they will get in trouble with the police if they do.

The latter is a forced marriage, but would come under the arranged marriage banner about 30 years ago.

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

Socrates said:

- Not allow absences for arranged marriages

Given that any 16 or 17 year old requires the permission of parents anyway, how do you differentiate?

I know several people who were in 'arranged' marriages, in that the parents organised for the people to meet someone who it was considered suitable for them to marry. But in each case, there was never any suggestion that anyone would marry someone whom they did not want to marry.

How do you define 'arranged' marriage?

I think he meant forced marriage. One of my cousins had a modern day arranged marriage where she was set up with a guy on a blind date that she was matched up to by some expert in our community (interests, height, looks, in that order). They went out for about a year and then got married. That's how it works today in the Indian community.

The same cousin has a muslim friend who was supposed to married, she had never met the bloke in her life and they had been set up from birth. Some random dude from Pakistan. She cried foul a week before the wedding and ran away to some specialist unit in the Birmingham police and she has not spoken to her family since then other than sent a letter to say she is alive and well, and not to try and find or contact her because they will get in trouble with the police if they do.

The latter is a forced marriage, but would come under the arranged marriage banner about 30 years ago.

Do they do sex before marriage or is there an assumption of chastity?

Anyone know why the draw was 2.68 on Betfair ?

Maybe you could make a case if SA and Aus were playing. England, Lanka... No.

Probably posted on there before but I see the AfD have joined the ECR. CCHQ retweeted one suggestion it was a mistake, suggesting that (as predicted) the Tories are now in this fun game where they pretend they opposed such a move outright, when really the AfD are natural allies albeit likely to make working with Merkel more difficult.

Some areas with winning party over 45% in the Euro election


UKIP

Boston 51.6
South Holland 48.5
Tendring 48.4
Castle Point 47.8
Fenland 47.3
Blaenau Gwent 46.5
Thanet 46
Thurrock 45.9
Forest Heath 45.8
Great Yarmouth 45.2

Lab

Newham 58.4
Knowsley 57.6
Tower Hamlets 54.2
Hackney 54.1
Leicester 52.9
Liverpool 51.8
Manchester 51.4
Barking 49.3
Haringey 48.4
Islington 47.5
Lambeth 47
Slough 47
Brent 46.8
Blackburn 45.9
Lewisham 45.9
Halton 45.7
Ealing 45.6
St Helens 45.2


Con

nowhere. John O's Elmbrdige leads the way with 43.1%

LD

Gibraltar 67.2%

Blaenau Gwent should obivously be in Labour's column

Labour polled more than 45% in four areas with a low percentage of EMs: Knowsley, Liverpool, Halton, St Helens.

Yet another appalling crime in India..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27807539

Cricinfo has up a list of recent opening partnerships back to the time of Vaughan. Best pair of openers is Compton and Cook.

Mr. Crosby, is that because most MPs have legged it, or because quite a lot of them wouldn't mind an ISIS victory?

Troubled Morrissey @troubledmozza · Jun 10
1. Smiling at people you'd much rather kick in the eye
2. Giving valuable time to people who don't care if you live or die #BritishValues

I'm coming to the conclusion what Iraq needs is a strong Sunni strongman to keep the place from turning to shite.

Financier said:

Cricinfo has up a list of recent opening partnerships back to the time of Vaughan. Best pair of openers is Compton and Cook.

England have been in a tailspin since the selectors decided they were too good for Compton. Massive mistake that they appear uninterested in learning from.

Will Paddy give me odds on the Islamic State of the Levant being established ?

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm coming to the conclusion what Iraq needs is a strong Sunni strongman to keep the place from turning to shite.

Can we dig up Saddam?

I do wonder if democracy will work in these states.

rcs1000 said:

Socrates said:

Because the religious are taxpayers too, and, as long as it's not teaching nastiness, they deserve to have the sort of education they want from their kids?

Everybody is a taxpayer.

On that basis, you could justify schools in witchcraft and wizardry - on the basis that there are some people who are taxpayers and want their kids educated in such-and-such a way.

Surely there should be a curriculum - English, Maths, Science, History, Geography - proscribed by the government. And every school that receives money from the government can use that money only for teaching those things. Anything else can be paid for by parents who want it for their kids.

You want English etc banned? I think you may mean prescribed rather than proscribed

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/5889016/Brazil-v-Croatia.html

Brazil vs Croatia @ Evens.

Should be a £20 offer but Hills seem to have limited me to a fiver.

MarqueeMark said:

isam said:

Troubled Morrissey @troubledmozza · Jun 10
1. Smiling at people you'd much rather kick in the eye
2. Giving valuable time to people who don't care if you live or die
#BritishValues

Given the weather, shouldn't he be

Spending warm summer days indoors
Writing frightening verse
To a buck-toothed girl in Luxembourg?

Really funny site, particularly if you likeThe Smiths

#TheSmithsatBreakfast is fantastic!

ToryJim said:

rcs1000 said:

Socrates said:

Because the religious are taxpayers too, and, as long as it's not teaching nastiness, they deserve to have the sort of education they want from their kids?

Everybody is a taxpayer.

On that basis, you could justify schools in witchcraft and wizardry - on the basis that there are some people who are taxpayers and want their kids educated in such-and-such a way.

Surely there should be a curriculum - English, Maths, Science, History, Geography - proscribed by the government. And every school that receives money from the government can use that money only for teaching those things. Anything else can be paid for by parents who want it for their kids.

You want English etc banned? I think you may mean prescribed rather than proscribed

LOL! Exactly right :-)

Slackbladder said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm coming to the conclusion what Iraq needs is a strong Sunni strongman to keep the place from turning to shite.

Can we dig up Saddam?

I do wonder if democracy will work in these states.

I do have some friends who are Iraqis, they've said the problem is that Iraq is predominately Shia, for his many many faults, the one good thing Saddam did was keep the place secular but that was at the expense of the Shias.

Once Saddam went, the Shia want to be more like Iran.

They do wonder ultimately the majority of the Shias in Iraq will want Anschluss with Iran.

Just imagine, the Ayatollahs of Iran, backed up with nuclear weapons in one hand, and Iraqi oil reserves in the other.

Guess George and Tony really did reshape that part of the world.

I just got Spain in the office World Cup sweepstake.

Given my addiction to Spanish economic statistics, this seems an appropriate pick. PBers - should I lay this off on Betfair for a quick profit?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Slackbladder said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm coming to the conclusion what Iraq needs is a strong Sunni strongman to keep the place from turning to shite.

Can we dig up Saddam?

I do wonder if democracy will work in these states.

I do have some friends who are Iraqis, they've said the problem is that Iraq is predominately Shia, for his many many faults, the one good thing Saddam did was keep the place secular but that was at the expense of the Shias.

Once Saddam went, the Shia want to be more like Iran.

They do wonder ultimately the majority of the Shias in Iraq will want Anschluss with Iran.

Just imagine, the Ayatollahs of Iran, backed up with nuclear weapons in one hand, and Iraqi oil reserves in the other.

Guess George and Tony really did reshape that part of the world.

Not sure if the kaleidoscope is shaken, the pieces are definitely in flux though

AndyJS said:

Waiting for something more important?

A flight out?

AndyJS said:

Slackbladder said:

FFS
Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 8 mins
AFP: Iraq's parliament fails to get enough MPs to attend a vote on a state of emergency after militants take control of Mosul and Tikrit

Waiting for something more important?

Well most of them may not be fans of Nouri al-Maliki and may be wary of handing him extra powers regardless of the crisis.

rcs1000 said:

I just got Spain in the office World Cup sweepstake.

Given my addiction to Spanish economic statistics, this seems an appropriate pick. PBers - should I lay this off on Betfair for a quick profit?

Spain will win at a canter, it's a better squad than the ones that won the last three competitions with Costa, Koke. Confederations cup means they know the environment.

Sebastian Kindersley selected for LDs in Andrew Lansley's seat:

http://www.libdemvoice.org/sebastian-kindersley-selected-for-south-cambridgeshire-40765.html

Richard_Nabavi said:

rcs1000 said:

I just got Spain in the office World Cup sweepstake.

Given my addiction to Spanish economic statistics, this seems an appropriate pick. PBers - should I lay this off on Betfair for a quick profit?

Haven't you just been offered odds of N where N is the number of participants in the sweepstake? If so, laying off is a no-brainer if N is greater than the BF odds.

Disclaimer: I know nothing and care even less about the tournament.

Depends if there's lesser 'prizes' for 2nd etc.

The odds are probably pretty crap, and it's mostly just for fun.

rcs1000 said:

Socrates said:

Because the religious are taxpayers too, and, as long as it's not teaching nastiness, they deserve to have the sort of education they want from their kids?

Everybody is a taxpayer.

On that basis, you could justify schools in witchcraft and wizardry - on the basis that there are some people who are taxpayers and want their kids educated in such-and-such a way.

Surely there should be a curriculum - English, Maths, Science, History, Geography - proscribed by the government. And every school that receives money from the government can use that money only for teaching those things. Anything else can be paid for by parents who want it for their kids.

Sounds reasonable on the face of it. Of course, schools could then only be judged on how well their pupils learn those subjects, which would take the whole multiculturism/promotion of diversity stuff out of education. Again that sounds sensible to me (the Devon school reported as being down-graded for being "too white" in the news just recently), but elements in the educational establishment would probably have collective apoplexy.

However, there is another side to it. Schools do impart values and norms on their pupils, this doesn't need to be done though formal lessons as it will always happen through the standards of behaviour and language the teachers use and judge to be acceptable. So removing lessons on faith from the curriculum may not actually produce the result you want. Voluntary apartheid and ghettoisation cannot be stopped by the state saying it wants to withdraw from the cultural field.

Interesting, I'm not sure about how the Parliament Act gets invoked but has it ever been used in a private members bill?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/10894540/EU-referendum-could-be-law-within-a-year.html

Man arrested in South Africa for eating love rivals heart, he was caught using a knife and fork so at least he has table manners

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27808850

Is it me or are we seeing more weird crimes, or maybe they just get reported more.