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Initial review of the Slovakia mass test is up.
https://twitter.com/StfnFlsch/status/1334498853526130688
Our biggest failure over the summer was not to get this sort of scheme up and running. It might well have prevented completely the winter lockdowns - and would have been far, far cheaper than the test & trace program we have.3 -
I think The Sun will go all 'Bless you Boris! For thou hast saved us!' They'll reckon that their readership is too dim to understand the finer points, and a failure by Boris will sort of suggest a failure of the very idea of Brexit itself. Rupert won't want his personal judgement denigrated like that.Scott_xP said:0 -
You mean you'd vote to remain out now? Or you'd vote to rejoin? You can't vote to remain in now.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.0 -
At the hospital where my daughter works they have issued all staff with a self test Covid kit, very similar to a pregnancy test, and have asked them to test themselves daily.1
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Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:2 -
How could you vote remain now that we have left? That wouldn't be an option.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.0 -
Remain outside. I'm sure that's what @Pulpstar means...FeersumEnjineeya said:
How could you vote remain now that we have left? That wouldn't be an option.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.1 -
Why the MHRA was relatively quicker:
Unlike regulators in the U.K. and some other countries, however, the FDA has not taken the data for the new vaccines on a rolling basis.
Recently, there has been disagreement between federal officials about how quickly after the Dec. 10 advisory panel an emergency use authorization could occur. The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Robert Redfield, has said that such a decision could occur almost immediately after the panel. But Peter Marks, who heads the FDA center responsible for the decision, has said instead that the decision would happen within “a few weeks.”
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/02/u-k-approves-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-putting-pressure-on-fda/
Expect Trumper tantrums.....0 -
Presumably fish is being bigged up to be of critical importance since that's the only area where there is any hope of compromise with the EU. If we get an acceptable deal on fish, then Boris can claim victory and brush the climbdowns on LPF and governance under the carpet. It's either that or no deal.Scott_xP said:0 -
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Does he have a brother called Benedict Arnold?
https://www.newsweek.com/adolf-hitler-germany-namibia-elections-1552056?fbclid=IwAR0TSqAkbsWEGT5MeMW9vgmVuhg3d1QNDc-qOBINPIG_smIAK4_v4GuqobA0 -
On Topic Thanks Peter I will complain to that E Mail today1
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Moscow’s mayor has announced that medical staff, teachers and social workers can begin signing up for a Covid-19 vaccination in the city from Friday.
The first jabs will be administered at the weekend and, as more of the Sputnik V vaccine is supplied, the mayor promised to expand the list of people who are eligible.
The gradual rollout, ordered by President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, will begin even while Sputnik V is still being tested for safety and efficacy.
With 28,145 new cases of coronavirus detected in Moscow on Thursday, and 554 deaths, the need for an effective vaccine is urgent, especially as the Kremlin continues to rule out an unpopular, national lockdown.0 -
If the vaccines work as anticipated and pretty much eliminate the virus through herd immunity, then there won't be enough cases coming up in either group to get much additional useful data on efficacy (essentially no one in either group will be testing positive, so there will be no further information on risk differential between groups as the risk from coronavirus to both would be ~0).turbotubbs said:
Interesting. If they are mostly fit and healthy, and 95 % of the population gets the jab, smashing the incidence rate to virtually nothing, you could justify not giving it to them. But then an idiot starts on about vaccine passports...Nigelb said:
Any idea what they might do with the placebo group ?Foxy said:
No, this is the breakpoint for evidence of efficacy, the trial is a 2 year one according to their protocol.MaxPB said:
Yes, that is what I've read elsewhere too. The "additional data" has already been provided to all regulators, the MHRA have just worked through it very quickly because they have been very organised.OnboardG1 said:
I was under the impression that Pfizer had now completed their trial, and had submitted those final numbers to the MHRA, which was why they were so confident they could get a speedy authorisation.Foxy said:
Your last two sentences rather contradict each other!MaxPB said:Another more general point is that it's highly irresponsible for Fauci and European politicians to be undermining the UK approval of the same bloody vaccine they will inevitably approve in days (FDA) or weeks (EU). All of this is just feeding the anti-vaxxer cycle, now you have the hugely respected Fauci being quotable as saying it's been rushed to approval days before the expected FDA approval and the EU implying the MHRA may have taken shortcuts weeks before their expected approval of the same vaccine.
Even on here we've seen normally smart people doubt the credibility of the MHRA despite the EMA previously relying on exactly the same MHRA for decades.
I said yesterday that politicising the vaccine approval by saying "because brexit" was a bad idea, I stand by that today and also extend my criticism to EU politicians seeking to undermine the MHRA because it has been better organised than the EU regulatory effort.
I understand that the EMA (or its agents) and the FDA are looking at additional information.
As I pointed out earlier, the trials are not complete and we are using interim data on relatively small numbers. There is inevitably a degree of uncertainty remaining until the trials are complete. It is a philosophical point to decide at what level of risk to authorise a vaccine.
On the whole I think it right to authorise, and am going to be one of the guinea pigs in the first out of trial bit of surveillance, so literally have skin in the game.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
Certainly the Swiss are awaiting additional data, and also have purchased several million doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/incomplete-data-stalls-swiss-authorisation-of-covid-19-vaccines/46196598
I think they are awaiting evidence of efficacy in different subgroups, which is important in terms of prioritisation, and assessing relative risk.
I am not a vaccine sceptic, and will be one of the initial guinea pigs when rolled out. There are risks involved, but probably less than the virus itself.
When they signed up for the trial, it was on the basis that (if in the placebo group) they would not receive the vaccine for some considerable time. That's probably not going to be a realistic condition for the full two years.
I suppose they could serve as a baseline group for safety - comparing observed (non-coronavirus) negative events in the placebo versus vaccinated groups.0 -
The new Mini ?
China's best selling electric car (cost c.£4,000).
https://insideevs.com/news/458005/china-wuling-hong-guang-mini-sales-november/0 -
If you are “extremely vulnerable” you will know as you will have had multiple communications from the Department of Health telling you what to do.OnboardG1 said:
Yes the JCVI green book.Simon_Peach said:
Here is the priority listing as it appears in the Times today.Foxy said:
Indeed, one of the pleasures of PB is that amateur commentators often, but not always, write and analyse to a much higher standard.IanB2 said:
If PB has taught us nothing else, we ought to be well aware that people who write for a living have some very wacko views. And an over inflated view of themselves.Roger said:
That's PR for you. Pompous arse has transformed into 'wordsmith'Mexicanpete said:
It all depends on one's definition of a wordsmith. Johnson is more a word-wrangler or even word-mangler.Foxy said:
I did think Johnson was particularly poor in using the searchlight analogy, but only caught the first few minutes, as had a busy evening session.nichomar said:Why must he use such ridiculous analogies though, searchlights this time, when do we launch the barrage balloons to stop a third wave. It doesn’t add to the message let’s have some plain fair English to convey difficult concepts.
"A searchlight picking out an invisible enemy" or something on those lines. No amount of light can help see something truly invisible!
Like most of our politicians he has no understanding of science, he is a wordsmith and nothing more. Ignorance expressed in tortured wartime rhetoric.
Johnson the writer, like Johnson the statesman seems to be another over hyped product for his self-salesmanship portfolio.
He is better at politics than he is a writer/journalist!
P.S. Very informative header from PtP.
Journalism and Op-Ed writing in the age of the Internet has a real problem. The free stuff can be appalling, ignorant click bait, but can also be far better.
Do you know where I can find a definitive definition of “underlying health conditions” as referenced in priority 6? Thanks.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939119/Greenbook_chapter_14a___provisional_guidance_subject_to_MHRA_approval_of_vaccine_supply_.pdf
The part on underlying health conditions is lifted almost verbatim from the Flu jab green book
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/931139/Green_book_chapter_19_influenza_V7_OCT_2020.pdf
So I'm 99% confident that if you get the flu jab as I do for medical reasons you'll be in tranche 3 or 6 depending on how severe your medical condition is.1 -
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:1 -
We do...Nigelb said:‘There absolutely will be a black market’: How the rich and privileged can skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/03/how-rich-and-privileged-can-skip-the-line-for-covid19-vaccines/
You know who you are.
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Nor is rejoin, at least not without an overwhelming majority to convince the EU that it wouldn't be reversed again within a few years.FeersumEnjineeya said:
How could you vote remain now that we have left? That wouldn't be an option.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.0 -
"The concept of “essential workers” has already been tested during the pandemic, when Florida declared that World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) met the definition and could remain open during lockdown. The chairman of WWE, Vince McMahon, is friends with President Trump, while his wife, Linda McMahon, served in the administration and is chair of a pro-Trump super PAC. Neither WWE nor Florida’s health department responded to requests for comment about whether WWE would be considered essential for the vaccine rollout."Nigelb said:‘There absolutely will be a black market’: How the rich and privileged can skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/03/how-rich-and-privileged-can-skip-the-line-for-covid19-vaccines/
You know who you are.
There was a hilarious clip I saw of them "wrestling" in an empty arena, appearing to smash each other to bits, then clearly somebody shouted ad break, and they just stopped and had a chat....1 -
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:0 -
Agreed was using everyone as shorthand for everyone who wanted a vaccine and it has been approved for (so perhaps not pregnant, certain pre exisiting conditions, children?).Stuartinromford said:
We're unlikely to get everyone vaccinated though? I'd imagine that some of the people in risk groups are exactly the people who we can't, in all conscience, vaccinate, and who would rely on the rest of us giving herd immunity.noneoftheabove said:
I agree govt lockdown measures should be lifted at that stage, although not sure what levels of personal risk one should take in the few months between the lifting and getting a vaccine if it happened.rottenborough said:Some 57,184 out of the 63,852 Covid deaths so far have been to over-65s; the vast majority of the under-65s who died suffered from severe underlying health conditions. There will no longer be any worthwhile case for lockdowns, restrictions and social distancing of any kind once everybody in those two groups who wants a vaccine has been treated: in fact, that should be the trigger for Covid Liberation Day.
telegraph
Id expect though that the govt will take a more risk averse* view and still keep a looser level of restriction in place for that period until everyone has been vaccinated so it might not be a question that needs an answer.
*risk averse in covid terms, there are of course plenty of other competing risks.
Anyone know what the figures for this look like?0 -
Also worth noting that trials can get stopped early if it becomes clear that the intervention is significantly advantageous compared to the control(s). There's often provision for all participants to get the effective treatment as a priority once shown (I haven't read the protocols for these trials, if available, so don't know whether that applies here).Selebian said:
If the vaccines work as anticipated and pretty much eliminate the virus through herd immunity, then there won't be enough cases coming up in either group to get much additional useful data on efficacy (essentially no one in either group will be testing positive, so there will be no further information on risk differential between groups as the risk from coronavirus to both would be ~0).turbotubbs said:
Interesting. If they are mostly fit and healthy, and 95 % of the population gets the jab, smashing the incidence rate to virtually nothing, you could justify not giving it to them. But then an idiot starts on about vaccine passports...Nigelb said:
Any idea what they might do with the placebo group ?Foxy said:
No, this is the breakpoint for evidence of efficacy, the trial is a 2 year one according to their protocol.MaxPB said:
Yes, that is what I've read elsewhere too. The "additional data" has already been provided to all regulators, the MHRA have just worked through it very quickly because they have been very organised.OnboardG1 said:
I was under the impression that Pfizer had now completed their trial, and had submitted those final numbers to the MHRA, which was why they were so confident they could get a speedy authorisation.Foxy said:
Your last two sentences rather contradict each other!MaxPB said:Another more general point is that it's highly irresponsible for Fauci and European politicians to be undermining the UK approval of the same bloody vaccine they will inevitably approve in days (FDA) or weeks (EU). All of this is just feeding the anti-vaxxer cycle, now you have the hugely respected Fauci being quotable as saying it's been rushed to approval days before the expected FDA approval and the EU implying the MHRA may have taken shortcuts weeks before their expected approval of the same vaccine.
Even on here we've seen normally smart people doubt the credibility of the MHRA despite the EMA previously relying on exactly the same MHRA for decades.
I said yesterday that politicising the vaccine approval by saying "because brexit" was a bad idea, I stand by that today and also extend my criticism to EU politicians seeking to undermine the MHRA because it has been better organised than the EU regulatory effort.
I understand that the EMA (or its agents) and the FDA are looking at additional information.
As I pointed out earlier, the trials are not complete and we are using interim data on relatively small numbers. There is inevitably a degree of uncertainty remaining until the trials are complete. It is a philosophical point to decide at what level of risk to authorise a vaccine.
On the whole I think it right to authorise, and am going to be one of the guinea pigs in the first out of trial bit of surveillance, so literally have skin in the game.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
Certainly the Swiss are awaiting additional data, and also have purchased several million doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/incomplete-data-stalls-swiss-authorisation-of-covid-19-vaccines/46196598
I think they are awaiting evidence of efficacy in different subgroups, which is important in terms of prioritisation, and assessing relative risk.
I am not a vaccine sceptic, and will be one of the initial guinea pigs when rolled out. There are risks involved, but probably less than the virus itself.
When they signed up for the trial, it was on the basis that (if in the placebo group) they would not receive the vaccine for some considerable time. That's probably not going to be a realistic condition for the full two years.
I suppose they could serve as a baseline group for safety - comparing observed (non-coronavirus) negative events in the placebo versus vaccinated groups.0 -
This person on Twitter talks about themselves as if everyone else ought to know how important they are, but I've never heard of them before.FrancisUrquhart said:All kicking off in twitter-verse....
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Breaking: islanders will have to travel to Portsmouth to get the vaccine
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I heard Williamson's vaccine comments on the radio earlier. They had a strong vibe of Alan Partridge when he went off on one about farmers. Hopefully nobody is planning to drop a dead cow on Williamson any time soon, but he should probably steer clear of canal boats for a while.Theuniondivvie said:
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:0 -
Keeping up the pressure to help ar brave lads playing hardball with them Eurocrat negotiators.
https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885?s=20
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I don't know, I think they'd quite like tens of billions a year of our money.Gaussian said:
Nor is rejoin, at least not without an overwhelming majority to convince the EU that it wouldn't be reversed again within a few years.FeersumEnjineeya said:
How could you vote remain now that we have left? That wouldn't be an option.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.
Also, the tacit acknowledgement that leaving had been wrong.0 -
all the cardsTheuniondivvie said:Keeping up the pressure to help ar brave lads playing hardball with them Eurocrat negotiators.
https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885?s=202 -
Nimble.Gallowgate said:
all the cardsTheuniondivvie said:Keeping up the pressure to help ar brave lads playing hardball with them Eurocrat negotiators.
https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885?s=201 -
RejoinFishing said:
You mean you'd vote to remain out now? Or you'd vote to rejoin? You can't vote to remain in now.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.
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I'd only read the transcript so was willing to accept that there just might be a bit of self deprecating, world beating British irony in amongst it.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I heard Williamson's vaccine comments on the radio earlier. They had a strong vibe of Alan Partridge when he went off on one about farmers. Hopefully nobody is planning to drop a dead cow on Williamson any time soon, but he should probably steer clear of canal boats for a while.Theuniondivvie said:
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:
Then I heard it.
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Rejoin is unrealistic. We should, in my opinion, be in EEA/EFTA with Norway, Switzerland, etc. Where we should have always stayed.0
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Sunk costs and all that.Fishing said:
I don't know, I think they'd quite like tens of billions a year of our money.Gaussian said:
Nor is rejoin, at least not without an overwhelming majority to convince the EU that it wouldn't be reversed again within a few years.FeersumEnjineeya said:
How could you vote remain now that we have left? That wouldn't be an option.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first.
Also, the tacit acknowledgement that leaving had been wrong.
& Yes, it's obviously not going to happen for a very long time with Labour currently ruling out rejoining.0 -
I would be very content with that arrangementGallowgate said:Rejoin is unrealistic. We should, in my opinion, be in EEA/EFTA with Norway, Switzerland, etc. Where we should have always stayed.
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He is a regular on the media to talk about how shit Brexit is. He was a nobody before that. Basically a more educated version of Stop Brexit Man.Andy_JS said:
This person on Twitter talks about themselves as if everyone else ought to know how important they are, but I've never heard of them before.FrancisUrquhart said:All kicking off in twitter-verse....
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1334276290690609153?s=20
"At the age of 27 he left his job and moved into his parents' loft to become a campaigner against Brexit, telling the Evening Standard that he made the decision to quit because he was "frustrated that the pro-Remain argument was not being made effectively by mainstream politicians."0 -
Nigel Farage tried to sink the 2019 deal, but Brexiteers weren't interested and Boris got the benefit of the doubt. I'm not sure he'll get it this time.Scott_xP said:
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We must have misheard Michael Gove when he said that. What he actually said wasGallowgate said:
all the cardsTheuniondivvie said:Keeping up the pressure to help ar brave lads playing hardball with them Eurocrat negotiators.
https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885?s=20
"The UK Government has all the cads."
(Back on topic, if the park is flooding now, presumably it's prone to flooding more often, which feels like a bad thing.)1 -
That's a lot of flap generation using a total lack of evidenceTheuniondivvie said:
We do...Nigelb said:‘There absolutely will be a black market’: How the rich and privileged can skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/03/how-rich-and-privileged-can-skip-the-line-for-covid19-vaccines/
You know who you are. .
The only provider they have mentioned is the the Medical Director of a online clinic catering to execs etc, who is getting THREE texts messages a day asking "when" and says he won't break any rules. Yep, a Doctor not doing what he is not supposed to do for 3 people a day will wreck the whole process.
Then one of the worries is that people with mild versions of high risk medical conditions will "exploit their conditions" to "jump the queue".
Meanwhile, "people in the news media, such as reporters" are just stated as people who will have access, with no comment.
Media bullshitters, bullshitting.0 -
It was a joke.Theuniondivvie said:
I'd only read the transcript so was willing to accept that there just might be a bit of self deprecating, world beating British irony in amongst it.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I heard Williamson's vaccine comments on the radio earlier. They had a strong vibe of Alan Partridge when he went off on one about farmers. Hopefully nobody is planning to drop a dead cow on Williamson any time soon, but he should probably steer clear of canal boats for a while.Theuniondivvie said:
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:
Then I heard it.
Fuck
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hell
Watch the video, he's laughing when he says it and so too is the host.0 -
The fact that Gavin Williamson is a prize idiot is not news. I did tell y'all, back when he was Chief Whip.2
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Was it empy before? (Like the new housing estate called 'Watermeadow' just below my Devon friend's house ...).Stuartinromford said:
We must have misheard Michael Gove when he said that. What he actually said wasGallowgate said:
all the cardsTheuniondivvie said:Keeping up the pressure to help ar brave lads playing hardball with them Eurocrat negotiators.
https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885?s=20
"The UK Government has all the cads."
(Back on topic, if the park is flooding now, presumably it's prone to flooding more often, which feels like a bad thing.)0 -
Laughs at his own 'jokes'?Philip_Thompson said:
It was a joke.Theuniondivvie said:
I'd only read the transcript so was willing to accept that there just might be a bit of self deprecating, world beating British irony in amongst it.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I heard Williamson's vaccine comments on the radio earlier. They had a strong vibe of Alan Partridge when he went off on one about farmers. Hopefully nobody is planning to drop a dead cow on Williamson any time soon, but he should probably steer clear of canal boats for a while.Theuniondivvie said:
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:
Then I heard it.
Fuck
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hell
Watch the video, he's laughing when he says it and so too is the host.
Another black mark against the twat.0 -
At least he has a sense of humour unlike those outraged at his comments.0
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Williamson is not fit to be a cabinet ministerTheuniondivvie said:
Laughs at his own 'jokes'?Philip_Thompson said:
It was a joke.Theuniondivvie said:
I'd only read the transcript so was willing to accept that there just might be a bit of self deprecating, world beating British irony in amongst it.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I heard Williamson's vaccine comments on the radio earlier. They had a strong vibe of Alan Partridge when he went off on one about farmers. Hopefully nobody is planning to drop a dead cow on Williamson any time soon, but he should probably steer clear of canal boats for a while.Theuniondivvie said:
Saying how bloody wonderful the UK is compared to the ghastly foreigns is straight out of the BJ world beating UK playbook so presumably cancels out the other 'gaffe'? Gav safe for now then.Nigelb said:
In what way is expressing an opinion on the strangeness of Eton a gaffe ?Stuartinromford said:
Gavster does seem to have malfunctioned pretty badly this morning; is two independent gaffes in the same media round a record?HYUFD said:
Then I heard it.
Fuck
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hell
Watch the video, he's laughing when he says it and so too is the host.
Another black mark against the twat.
That is all that needs to be said0 -
Good idea. Rejoining I mean, not saying sorry!Pulpstar said:
RejoinFishing said:
You mean you'd vote to remain out now? Or you'd vote to rejoin? You can't vote to remain in now.Pulpstar said:
I'd be ok with another EU referendum now (Though I don't think there is appetitie for it), and probably vote the same way as before (remain). To try and have one before the initial result was implemented (leaving the EU), I agree was antidemocratic nonsense.Fishing said:
He probably got the idea from Starmer.Pulpstar said:
US Elections are protected by the constitution. There's no way on God's green earth any member of SCOTUS or the top brass of the military (See Milley's speech) would go along with that (Which is what matters in this scenario).Yorkcity said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/michael-flynn-suspend-constitution-martial-law-trump-reelection-b1765467.html
Trump is now calling for a re run of the November election.
If Flynn got his way the USA is heading into a very dark place.
I think even Pence at that point tells Donald 'enough'.
Thank God we live in a civilised country where noone important would ever call for a second vote just because they were squarely beaten in the first. - yes sorry !
Probably the worst decision Britain's made, apart from partitioning India.1 -
Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
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He is still hopeless thoughPhilip_Thompson said:At least he has a sense of humour unlike those outraged at his comments.
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Indeed, those will be the people in tranche 4.Fysics_Teacher said:
If you are “extremely vulnerable” you will know as you will have had multiple communications from the Department of Health telling you what to do.OnboardG1 said:
Yes the JCVI green book.Simon_Peach said:
Here is the priority listing as it appears in the Times today.Foxy said:
Indeed, one of the pleasures of PB is that amateur commentators often, but not always, write and analyse to a much higher standard.IanB2 said:
If PB has taught us nothing else, we ought to be well aware that people who write for a living have some very wacko views. And an over inflated view of themselves.Roger said:
That's PR for you. Pompous arse has transformed into 'wordsmith'Mexicanpete said:
It all depends on one's definition of a wordsmith. Johnson is more a word-wrangler or even word-mangler.Foxy said:
I did think Johnson was particularly poor in using the searchlight analogy, but only caught the first few minutes, as had a busy evening session.nichomar said:Why must he use such ridiculous analogies though, searchlights this time, when do we launch the barrage balloons to stop a third wave. It doesn’t add to the message let’s have some plain fair English to convey difficult concepts.
"A searchlight picking out an invisible enemy" or something on those lines. No amount of light can help see something truly invisible!
Like most of our politicians he has no understanding of science, he is a wordsmith and nothing more. Ignorance expressed in tortured wartime rhetoric.
Johnson the writer, like Johnson the statesman seems to be another over hyped product for his self-salesmanship portfolio.
He is better at politics than he is a writer/journalist!
P.S. Very informative header from PtP.
Journalism and Op-Ed writing in the age of the Internet has a real problem. The free stuff can be appalling, ignorant click bait, but can also be far better.
Do you know where I can find a definitive definition of “underlying health conditions” as referenced in priority 6? Thanks.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939119/Greenbook_chapter_14a___provisional_guidance_subject_to_MHRA_approval_of_vaccine_supply_.pdf
The part on underlying health conditions is lifted almost verbatim from the Flu jab green book
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/931139/Green_book_chapter_19_influenza_V7_OCT_2020.pdf
So I'm 99% confident that if you get the flu jab as I do for medical reasons you'll be in tranche 3 or 6 depending on how severe your medical condition is.0 -
The mystery is how he got to become Chief Whip in the first place, let alone where he is now.Richard_Nabavi said:The fact that Gavin Williamson is a prize idiot is not news. I did tell y'all, back when he was Chief Whip.
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Yep, suggesting Eton might admit girls is hilarious.Philip_Thompson said:At least he has a sense of humour unlike those outraged at his comments.
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https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1334517749373161478
'Questionable' is putting it very mildly. Ignore anything from @jdpoc
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The harder the Brexit, the easier it is to argue for "hard" rejoinGallowgate said:Rejoin is unrealistic. We should, in my opinion, be in EEA/EFTA with Norway, Switzerland, etc. Where we should have always stayed.
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They admit girls to the VIth form of the boys school my grandson attends. As a VIth former, he thinks it's quite a good idea!DavidL said:
Yep, suggesting Eton might admit girls is hilarious.Philip_Thompson said:At least he has a sense of humour unlike those outraged at his comments.
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I think it must have been the tarantula that got him the job. It gave him an air of quiet but ill-defined menace ideal for the Chief Whip gig.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mystery is how he got to become Chief Whip in the first place, let alone where he is now.Richard_Nabavi said:The fact that Gavin Williamson is a prize idiot is not news. I did tell y'all, back when he was Chief Whip.
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Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1334518793222152193?s=201 -
The first step of the climbdown?Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/13345158386369781760 -
Maybe they should have appointed the tarantula instead. Bet there wouldn't be 70 odd rebels then!Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it must have been the tarantula that got him the job. It gave him an air of quiet but ill-defined menace ideal for the Chief Whip gig.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mystery is how he got to become Chief Whip in the first place, let alone where he is now.Richard_Nabavi said:The fact that Gavin Williamson is a prize idiot is not news. I did tell y'all, back when he was Chief Whip.
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I see people on here regularly also posting tweets from that "Nick" guy, who claims exclusive breaking news every day about how bad Brexit will be, and who as far as I can tell has no real special insight.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1334517749373161478
'Questionable' is putting it very mildly. Ignore anything from @jdpoc0 -
Wasn't Gove against the idea?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Dune.Theuniondivvie said:Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1334518793222152193?s=20
Enough said.0 -
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset0 -
I wonder who's going to play Gollum/Smeagol?Theuniondivvie said:Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1334518793222152193?s=200 -
Why climbdown when negotiations involve giving and takingFeersumEnjineeya said:
The first step of the climbdown?Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/13345158386369781762 -
"governance if systematic divergence". In other words there won't be any divergence for the short to medium term. In other words we leave the free trade area and instead have trade that is free. No more free movement. just movement that we have chosen to be free. Etc etc.FeersumEnjineeya said:
The first step of the climbdown?Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
Johnson is presumably down to his final few options of lipstick colour for the pig.0 -
Ryanair have never bought Airbus so I doubt they'll be surprised. And I very much doubt Ryanair are paying anything close to 9 billion dollars - that's the "list price" - not what Ryanair have got out of Boeing!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset
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Anyone's guess.FeersumEnjineeya said:
The first step of the climbdown?
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This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/13345158386369781760 -
Maybe Alex Salmond, if he can only remember to say "precious" instead of "first minister"?Carnyx said:
I wonder who's going to play Gollum/Smeagol?Theuniondivvie said:Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
https://twitter.com/MarcoGBiagi/status/1334518793222152193?s=200 -
This idea anyone is buckling ignores any negotiations where a deal is being thrashed outGallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
Maybe wait for the detail if and when a deal is struck0 -
Don't knock Ryanair; they've been declared Europe's BEST-PERFORMING airline of the past 10 years in Decade of Airline Excellence Awards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset
And, to be fair, what you see, and pay for, is what you get.0 -
I am giving and takingBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why climbdown when negotiations involve giving and takingFeersumEnjineeya said:
The first step of the climbdown?Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
You are being unreasonable
He/She has to climedown
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Ryanair have long been all 737 (while Easyjet are all Airbus), to avoid the overhead of different crews and maintenance for different types. Hence they're not going to switch unless Boing falls a long way behind on running costs.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset0 -
Interesting suggestion but no good - Mr S is too substantial. Gollum is skinny!DavidL said:
Maybe Alex Salmond, if he can only remember to say "precious" instead of "first minister"?Carnyx said:
I wonder who's going to play Gollum/Smeagol?Theuniondivvie said:Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
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To be honest I would not fly Ryanair if they were the last airline standingOldKingCole said:
Don't knock Ryanair; they've been declared Europe's BEST-PERFORMING airline of the past 10 years in Decade of Airline Excellence Awards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset
And, to be fair, what you see, and pay for, is what you get.
Also I did not know they did not support Airbus0 -
I can't resist doing this again.OldKingCole said:
Don't knock Ryanair; they've been declared Europe's BEST-PERFORMING airline of the past 10 years in Decade of Airline Excellence Awards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I did say that yesterday plus cruise linesCarlottaVance said:
See Ryanair have ordered 75 additional Boeing 737 max jets at 9 billion dollars
Sure Airbus will be upset
And, to be fair, what you see, and pay for, is what you get.
So Michael O'Leary goes into a pub in Dublin and asks for a pint of Guinness.
"That will be 3.70 euros," says the bar man.
"Wow," says O'Leary, "that's great value."
"Cheapest in Dublin", says the barman,
"Would you be wanting a glass with that?"
One of my favourites.6 -
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/13345158386369781760 -
Eh? I'm not one of the few who's been saying for months that the EU would "buckle" because "we hold all the cards".Big_G_NorthWales said:
This idea anyone is buckling ignores any negotiations where a deal is being thrashed outGallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
Maybe wait for the detail if and when a deal is struck
Frankly I'm happy that a deal looks closer today.0 -
Interestingly if that report is accurate, it means it's exactly what @HYUFD said would happen.1
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It's a CGI. I think Andy Serkis who played him in the films was bigger than Gollum too.Carnyx said:
Interesting suggestion but no good - Mr S is too substantial. Gollum is skinny!DavidL said:
Maybe Alex Salmond, if he can only remember to say "precious" instead of "first minister"?Carnyx said:
I wonder who's going to play Gollum/Smeagol?Theuniondivvie said:Feck, I didn't even know that there was going to be a LOTR tv show. I've got a bad feeling about this.
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You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.0 -
I did search online for a more reliable source - but all I got was a month old story about how heavy rain had delayed works so they were going to start working Sundays to catch up. Nothing more recent - other than Manston airport will be used as a lorry park.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1334517749373161478
'Questionable' is putting it very mildly. Ignore anything from @jdpoc
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No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.4 -
"Worst possible outcome for Britain" is of course entirely subjective.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.0 -
I have never believed we hold all the cards but equally neither does the EUGallowgate said:
Eh? I'm not one of the few who's been saying for months that the EU would "buckle" because "we hold all the cards".Big_G_NorthWales said:
This idea anyone is buckling ignores any negotiations where a deal is being thrashed outGallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
Maybe wait for the detail if and when a deal is struck
Frankly I'm happy that a deal looks closer today.
A deal needs compromise on both sides0 -
The best possible outcome in that case would presumably be the same terms as Germany?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.0 -
I'm sure the EU will, in the end, be prepared to climb down on fish, but only in return for major UK concessions on LPF and governance. That's because the latter are central to the raison d'etre of the EU, whereas the former is not.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
I suppose there will be a deal if Boris can be convinced that his win on fish can be sold as sufficient compensation for conceding on LPF and governance. Otherwise there will be no deal, other than, perhaps, mini-deals to keep the planes flying, etc.0 -
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Gallowgate said:
"Worst possible outcome for Britain" is of course entirely subjective.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.
I'm not saying a deal is the worst possible outcome - on balance I think from here, a deal is the best outcome. I am saying some PBers are actively cheering for the worst possible outcome, because it would salve their Brexit pain by humiliating Boris, and all their other perceived tormentors. If you're mature and clear headed enough not to be one of them, good for you and sorry to have troubled you.Gallowgate said:
"Worst possible outcome for Britain" is of course entirely subjective.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.1 -
Good postLuckyguy1983 said:Gallowgate said:
"Worst possible outcome for Britain" is of course entirely subjective.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.
I'm not saying a deal is the worst possible outcome - on balance I think from here, a deal is the best outcome. I am saying some PBers are actively cheering for the worst possible outcome, because it would salve their Brexit pain by humiliating Boris, and all their other perceived tormentors. If you're mature and clear headed enough not to be one of them, good for you and sorry to have troubled you.Gallowgate said:
"Worst possible outcome for Britain" is of course entirely subjective.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I think the fact that several posters here appear desperately to want Bojo to get a bloody nose and for the worst possible outcome for Britain from these negotiations to occur, when most of us live and work in the UK, is bordering on medical.Gallowgate said:
You think that just because I favour a deal over no deal I need medical help?Luckyguy1983 said:
The desperation of some otherwise sensible posters here for their own country to sign up to an unfavourable trade deal is tragicomic. It's like someone punching themself in the face - it almost calls for some form of medical help.Gallowgate said:
This doesn’t sound like the EU buckling to me.Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
It's a view.
I would be strongly against rejoining the EU, ever. But if we were ever to do so, I wouldn't be hoping to accede on the worst possible terms so that everyone would be taught a lesson for their foolish error. I'd be rooting for the best possible outcome.0 -
By the EU?FeersumEnjineeya said:
The first step of the climbdown?Richard_Nabavi said:Interesting tweet, from a well-informed source:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1334515838636978176
If we have the right to set our own rules unilaterally and they have the right to retaliate if there's systematic divergence then that is a great deal.
It means we have the power to do whatever we want, which is the whole point of Brexit. If we do something they dislike then there could and should be a procedure to deal with that.
That's a proper trade deal. Not LPF nonsense tying us into their rules.0 -
At a Zoom u3a meeting I participated in earlier this week we were shown, inter alia, a talk by Carole Cadwallader about the misinformation on the the internet generally and Facebook in particular.CarlottaVance said:
I did search online for a more reliable source - but all I got was a month old story about how heavy rain had delayed works so they were going to start working Sundays to catch up. Nothing more recent - other than Manston airport will be used as a lorry park.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1334517749373161478
'Questionable' is putting it very mildly. Ignore anything from @jdpoc
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She is an expert on misinformation.OldKingCole said:
At a Zoom u3a meeting I participated in earlier this week we were shown, inter alia, a talk by Carole Cadwallader about the misinformation on the the internet generally and Facebook in particular.CarlottaVance said:
I did search online for a more reliable source - but all I got was a month old story about how heavy rain had delayed works so they were going to start working Sundays to catch up. Nothing more recent - other than Manston airport will be used as a lorry park.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1334517749373161478
'Questionable' is putting it very mildly. Ignore anything from @jdpoc1 -
Countries are going to start asking for proof of immunisation from arrivals - Qantas have already said they'll amend their T&C once there's wide availability. It's inevitable. Another f*ck up by the UK government.OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Gove against the idea?CarlottaVance said:
Closer to home, Guernsey has 4 COVID cases - all from arrivals, tested on arrival and all self-isolation.
Jersey has over 300 cases and uncontrolled community spread, so they're shutting down hospitality until 2021.0
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