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Labour’s challenge with antisemitism – Corbyn gets his membership back and the problem remains – pol
Labour’s challenge with antisemitism – Corbyn gets his membership back and the problem remains – politicalbetting.com
Labour's NEC decide to stuff Starmer and lose the next election https://t.co/jm4Ynh4PWl
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The truth is, Labours base for an election winning coalition is going to be too broad to win in modern social media age, they will never shake this extremism tag off.
He did one right thing and now its reversed and he just sits there and Tweets that he understands people are upset.
Weak. Weak. Weak.
No leadership from Captain Hindsight.
Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said: "What message does this send? Zero tolerance either means zero tolerance or it's meaningless."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54976558
What happens next?
This is why people are backing Trump at 19.
The whole election process is so convoluted with numerous different people involved having to go through numerous different processes. And with so many of these people highly partisan there is simply no way of knowing what might happen.
It doesn't matter how far fetched Trump's claims are - if partisan Republicans put up every conceivable barrier to finalising the result then in a country as crazy as the USA literally anything is possible.
Thanks OGH. I'll lay them for the next 4 years and won't have to work.
Cheers!
Jez knows that, so do his supporters on the NEC with the big grins on their faces tonight.
Overrule the NEC?
Maybe he can borrow some 🥜s from Carrie?
I suppose he could unilaterally abolish the NEC.
That's what Boris would do.
Edit. And I forgot expel them all.
It's almost as if their issue is Labour rather than implementing the EHRC report on anti-setimism.
I don't think so!
First rule of politics, don’t make your move when you have a losing hand. The only time Corbyn should have been moved against was when he would be out and not coming back.
The NEC has expedited the readmission of Corbyn before the complaints can be investigated by a new complaints procedure that is coming in. That is political meddling that the leader should be blocking. Let an impartial neutral investigation take place and let that decide the outcome not expedited political ones.
I think this is really quite grating. The implication seems to be that the only people who should be worried by anti-Semitism are Jews themselves, who might feel 'hurt' or 'unsafe'. There's a slightly patronising overtone here, a hint that the party needs to make adjustments to be more welcoming to Jews, in the same way that some trendy CoE vicar might want to make adjustments to his services to make them more appealing to youngsters.
It's mealy-mouthed. Anti-Semitism is an unalloyed evil. It should be called out as such, not reduced to something of concern only inasmuch as it makes Jewish people feel uncomfortable or hurt.
Right result in the end but if the officials don't accept the votes of the public then they don't believe in Democracy. That's quite bad.
Sometimes that has advantages, sometimes disadvantages.
"Actual backbone" has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
"It is yet to be announced whether Mr Corbyn will have the whip restored. It has been reported a group of MPs have threatened to resign if Mr Corbyn is readmitted to the parliamentary Labour party."
There's your answer. Use the fact that Corbyn has been formally warned about his conduct and the continuing absence of a full apology to exclude him from the PLP, until such time as the EHRC recommendations are fully in place.
But what if they are Republican and block it?
Ditto all the other key states - what if their Boards of Canvassers also block certification?
I don't pretend to know what chance Trump has but I fear that if Republicans put up every possible barrier at every single stage of the process then it's entirely possible that Biden may still have a big fight on his hands.
Starmer could say tonight in response to the NEC that he disagrees with the decision and is not restoring the whip (which is his choice) and show some actual leadership. Instead he is trying to triangulate this smoothing the feelings of "hurt" without rocking the boat with Corbyn and his fans.
It is terribly weak. You don't triangulate antisemitism. It is an evil cancer and you fight it, there are no "both sides" to this issue.
One of the reasons many lawyers are not acting for Trump is because anyone filing a motion must certify that they have investigated it, it is not frivolous and has merit. If the judge decides that it is vexatious then the lawyer presenting it may be suspended or have their licence withdrawn.
If you were a senior lawyer, would take that risk for Trump?
Republicans blocked Michigan’s largest county from certifying the results of the 3 November election on Tuesday, an alarming development that leaves wiggle room for Donald Trump in a state he lost by around 146,000 votes.
The four-member board of canvassers in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, deadlocked along partisan lines on Tuesday over certifying the election results. Joe Biden carried the county by nearly 323,000 votes. The decision essentially leaves certification up to the Michigan state board of canvassers, according to the Washington Post. The board is split along partisan lines and must approve election results with at least a 3-1 vote, according to Bridge Michigan.
Except the rest of the world has moved on. Trump claiming to be President supported by Russia, China and North Korea would be neither sustainable nor edifying.
Almost as bad as Starmer not overturning the entire constitution of the Labour Party.
Well, not quite as bad of course.
When it came to MPs Boris wasn't afraid to withdraw the whip even if it cost him his majority to do so - in case you've forgotten at the time he was mocked roundly on this site for having "lost" his majority but the public had other ideas and gave him a landslide and English voters backed his party at a higher percentage even than Scottish voters backed the SNP.
Until then goodnight.
Now it’s going to leave a long lasting stain, unless they can cleverly spin it away tomorrow. Goodness knows how they will.
First rule of politics, don’t move unless your certain of the win.
If you need this explained in more detail, with examples, episode 2, Independence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtajI8Tmsw&list=PL_sko5QmbtRSW-wMcRLB-ufN8xqfMup1g&index=5
Not sure that the suggestion of Wulfrun_Phil and DixieDean works in not having him in the PLP right away, but no harm making him sweat it out, and keeps the rest of the Corbynistas on notice. I mean, the PLP is his domain, whether or not the party membership process is done. Like how disciplinary procedures can take place even if someone is not charged with a crime.
Even if they swing Michigan to Trump, he still loses the election
You're playing whatabouterism with something from half a century ago.
Major was weak indeed, especially post Black Wednesday. If you're suggesting that Starmer may have all the success of mid-90s Major then I'm not sure you're setting the bar very high for him.
However if results simply aren't certified, Trump / Republicans wouldn't be the plaintiff in any Court action - they can just sit on their hands.
Presumably it would be Biden (or someone else?) having to launch Court action to try to get results certified.
Would a judge always insist that some result was certified? Or might they just say "No certified result for County X so zero votes recorded for County X" - resulting in Trump winning the State.
I know Trump needs more than Michigan - but who is to say the same procedure isn't also followed in other States to produce Trump wins.
The worst that is going to happen is that the Michigan ECV's are effectively void, which as you indicate won't cause the result of the election to be overturned.
I suppose the judge could perhaps say the Canvassers were not acting in good faith?
All suggests delay rather than an overturning of the Presidential election. Dammit, Biden won by 6m votes! Are they asking for civil unrest?
Thatcher not only was not PM at all during my adult lifetime, she was ousted as PM while I was still in primary school - and I'm old enough to have voted now in six General Elections. I think its time you move on.
This shouldn’t’ even be happening. The fact it is sends out little come and get me vibes to everyone in the Republican Party.
In any case we are all taught as kids two wrongs dont make a right.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328852354049957888
Not healthy that an election loser has the power to lash out like this.
Unfortunately for most moderate, social democrats, they have hitched their wagon to groups who don’t share their secular views and the circle can’t really be squared
Do the same thing in a couple of other key States and bingo Trump wins.
Now hopefully the Courts would intervene to stop it but who knows? This is the USA - anything goes.
Meanwhile everyone seems to be remarkably complacent about the whole thing.
How much chance Trump has I don't know but I wouldn't dream of risking my life savings backing Biden at 1.05.
If coalition is also more diverse, culturally and ideologically, the result is that different elected members need to occupy very different places on the political spectrum and on issues. What one would campaign on in one constituency would be suicide campaign in another must win constituency. You can’t speak as one in broad coalition.
Whereas conservative minded voters tend to coalesce around a couple of key issues you can campaign and win on anywhere.
Boris won on a Corbyn would be a disaster and look at my oven ready brexit, whilst Labour was in death spiral initiated by its pro Palestinian stance.
Verdict. The worlds changed. It’s moved against them. But their brains haven’t caught up yet.
I come back to my considered view that this is all a game of stalling. There must be very high stakes involved for so many people to put so much at risk.
One shudders to think what Machiavellian schemes may be unfolding.
"According to Michigan law, the Board of State Canvassers is now required to deal with the results from Wayne County within 10 days. The Board of State Canvassers similarly has two Democrats and two Republicans.
It is unclear what would happen if the state board reaches the same partisan deadlock. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, suggested in a statement Tuesday night that she could use her powers overseeing the statewide Bureau of Election to get the results from Wayne County certified.
“In similar circumstances in the past, state canvassers have appointed the Bureau of Elections to carry out the processes of canvassing the vote and voter totals,” Benson said. “The Bureau stands ready to fulfill this duty and we expect this will address clerical errors and improve the quality of the canvass overall.”"
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-17-20/index.html
All he needs is to stop Biden getting 270.
The result should be 306-232. If 37 Biden ECVs get voided then it's 269-232 - in that situation Biden does not win - it goes to the House of Representatives.
Get a grip.
Just a few months ago we had a violent mob work themselves into a frenzy over a man who died 300 years ago.
But I think by that time it would be getting pretty frisky on the streets.
Biden 1.05
Democrats 1.05
Biden PV 1.04
Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.05
Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.06
Trump ECV 210-239 1.07
Biden ECV 300-329 1.07
Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.06
Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.07
Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.02
AZ Dem 1.06
GA Dem 1.06
MI Dem 1.09
NV Dem 1.04
PA Dem 1.05
WI Dem 1.05
For all his faults, Boris doesn't talk down to or demean voters the way Labour has been doing. I don’t just mean Corbyn, Look at how Starmer tweets have been analyzed in this thread.
Someone wants to boast about having half a million members, yet the entry fee to enter the broad tent is to embrace political correctness - in other words criticise voters for not being thoughtful enough, for not being conscientious enough, not being "woke" enough.
Their platform is join us, we are enlightened, we will save you from being an ignorant, racist, yokel in need of cultural guidance.
Until Labour realises what they have become, and how unelectable it is, they go on losing digital, social media elections.
This is the kicker, as Boris would say, look how I describe Labour, it’s Labour who ensures there is a bigger coalition who will believe any old crap about them come election time. They create this majority against them themselves, by the personality they have become.
Philly 462,675
Fulton 243,904
Dekalb 249,771
Clayton 95,476
Minneapolis 326,642
Wayne 322,925
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1,701,393 net to Trump. Perhaps 2 million if you include all of Atlanta.
Biden's going to win by more than 5 million so it's a fair cushion even if in extremis CNN adjusts their totals to the batshit crazy coup numbers.
Not that any former MPs face judgement at election time. Key word is former, second key word is deceased, but even if he was still alive it would be former still.
Yet Corbyn is very much still alive and more importantly very much still an MP. So instead of whataboutering people who are dead and haven't even been an MP this century how about talking about antisemites of today like the existing Member for Islington North?
The House votes on the basis of State delegations - each State delegation gets one vote.
The Republicans have a majority of State delegations I'm afraid.
And yes, I'm sure it will get very frisky on the streets.
Nite all.
Not simple enough, anyway. I didn't understand a word of it.
The difference, istm, is that, given his age, the writer depended on historical research. Now he is the right age to remember events from the Thatcher government onwards and perhaps the preceding Labour government, including the exposure of Blunt (although he also seemed to have watched Alan Bennett's A Question of Attribution).
There was a similar change from Life On Mars to Ashes To Ashes. The first an affectionate pastiche of 70s shows like The Sweeney, the later series had a harder edge apparently more informed by 1980s news headlines.
School attendance has plunged into chaos, headteachers have warned, as the proportion sending classes home to self-isolate has doubled in a week.
Between 18 and 20 per cent of schools sent 30 or more pupils home last week to isolate, up from 8-9 per cent the week before, according to the latest official data published by the Department for Education (DfE).
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/17/school-attendance-plunges-chaos-amid-huge-rise-whole-classes/
UPDATE: Wayne County Board of Canvassers has now REVOTED 4-0 TO CERTIFY WAYNE COUNTY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULTS.
See link for CNN report plus video of Michigan Secretary of State reporting the news on Cuomo programme on CNN:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/michigan-detroit-election-results/index.html
The key areas of Boris Johnson's 'green industrial revolution'
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/17/the-key-areas-of-boris-johnsons-green-industrial-revolution