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The pollster that came top in the EP14 polling accuracy table, YouGov, has issued comparative data about whether people feel positive or negative about UKIP compared with five years ago when they beat LAB for 2nd place in the Euro elections.
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Could Team Purple be de-detoxifying Team Blue by proxy?0
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Yeah, Mr Observer made that point last week.GIN1138 said:Could Team Purple be de-detoxifying Team Blue by proxy?
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UKIP = The Millwall of British Politics?
No one likes them but they don't care0 -
@MIkeSmithson
Another thread suggesting UKIP arent doing so well, this time using You Gov to back it up...
Have UKIP ever had a better YouGov Westminster VI than last nights 17%?0 -
In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
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He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
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Yes.GIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10871063/Queen-goes-riding-on-anniversary-of-coronation-as-Spains-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates.html0 -
FPT, but I think more relevant to this one:
A better example is that the reason was the same as the reason Clegg mentioned 3 million jobs.antifrank said:UKIP mentioned 29 million for the same reason that Tony Blair mentioned 45 minutes. The intention was that it should be taken at face value.
Of course, Clegg plucking a misleading figure out of the air is proof of LibLabCon lying.
UKIP plucking a misleading (or downright untrue, in the case of the '26 million people in the EU wanting your job' poster) figure out of the air is proof of UKIP's honesty and plain-speaking, that they are not like other politicians.
It's hard to see this disconnect lasting for long. As with the Cleggasm: easy inflate, easy deflate.
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Have we the lib dem figures yet ;-)
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On topic, its probably because 5 years ago, Labour supporters thought UKIP were a useful weapon to defeat the Tories and didnt worry about them
Now that UKIP take quite equally from all parties, scared loyalists have a more negative view
29% positive in 2009 but VI 1-2%
22% positive in 2014 but VI 15-20%
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Not surprising given the smear campaign gone on against them. It's especially stupid from the Conservatives, as they could have used a future merger as a way of resetting the brand. Now they've locked in division and toxicity across the right.0
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Surely the reason for the increasing distaste for UKIP is greater familiarity?0
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I'll always be a trusty friend of fruitcake and will never forsake it.0
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You have to marvel at Her Majesty's resolve and resilience. It's extraordinary to think her first Prime Minister was Churchill.Scott_P said:
Yes.GIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10871063/Queen-goes-riding-on-anniversary-of-coronation-as-Spains-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates.html
What a marvel.0 -
Makes sense, media pressure having the dual effect of holding down the total size at the cost of cementing the core.
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As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave.
UKIP = Polarising.0 -
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
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She's been an absolute disgrace in my view. She has failed to protect British sovereignty and don't even get me started on the rumours about Princes Andrew and Edward.GIN1138 said:
You have to marvel at Her Majesty's resolve and resilience. It's extraordinary to think her first Prime Minister was Churchill.Scott_P said:
Yes.GIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10871063/Queen-goes-riding-on-anniversary-of-coronation-as-Spains-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates.html
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Oh, do go on.Bond_James_Bond said:
don't even get me started on the rumours about Princes Andrew and Edward.GIN1138 said:
You have to marvel at Her Majesty's resolve and resilience. It's extraordinary to think her first Prime Minister was Churchill.Scott_P said:
Yes.GIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10871063/Queen-goes-riding-on-anniversary-of-coronation-as-Spains-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates.html
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UKIP are exactly the bits of the brand they want to be shot of.Socrates said:Not surprising given the smear campaign gone on against them. It's especially stupid from the Conservatives, as they could have used a future merger as a way of resetting the brand. Now they've locked in division and toxicity across the right.
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All the online pollsters underweight UKIP imo.isam said:@MIkeSmithson
Another thread suggesting UKIP arent doing so well, this time using You Gov to back it up...
Have UKIP ever had a better YouGov Westminster VI than last nights 17%?
Yougov's 17 involved a bit less of that than normal.
Ashcroft's 19% is closish to the mark I reckon:
See here for some rough & ready & probably slightly wrong statistical analysis.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1roY-VuzAUre3K5Tp74sf-sknXmfRPXaIoqtoPc7HMaA/edit#gid=00 -
The Queen doesn't rule. She can't really be held responsible for the loss of sovereignty.Bond_James_Bond said:
She's been an absolute disgrace in my view. She has failed to protect British sovereignty and don't even get me started on the rumours about Princes Andrew and Edward.GIN1138 said:
You have to marvel at Her Majesty's resolve and resilience. It's extraordinary to think her first Prime Minister was Churchill.Scott_P said:
Yes.GIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Here is why
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10871063/Queen-goes-riding-on-anniversary-of-coronation-as-Spains-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates.html
What a marvel.
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Prior to this year, leave led remain with YouGov, then this year, Remain has led.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
I'm thinking it is down to Nick Clegg's heroic defence of the EU.0 -
On topic, it doesn't really matter if more people view UKIP negatively, if in turn, more people vote for them.
Far better to be both admired and hated (as Margaret Thatcher was) than to have people viewing you with indifference.0 -
Mr Isam, For be it from me to even try and answer for OGH, but it does seem that you are missing some very clear and obvious points.isam said:@MIkeSmithson
Another thread suggesting UKIP arent doing so well, this time using You Gov to back it up...
Have UKIP ever had a better YouGov Westminster VI than last nights 17%?
Firstly, 22/05/14 was a disaster for UKIP. There can be no denying this. They may have come top of the Euorpean elections, but they only attracted 9% of the electorate (the fact that the "major" parties attracted even less, need not concern us).
Secondly, when we look at the share of the vote that UKIP attracted in the Locals on 22/05/14 the scale of their disaster becomes even clearer. They may have won lots of seats, they may have topped 30% in areas that they had never contested before, they may have attracted more votes than the Lib Dems by a considerable margin. None of that matters, what you need to understand is that on a projection their national share of the vote plummeted like a paralysed falcon, possibly down to as low as 17%. The Lib Dems meanwhile remain a major party regularly attracting the high single figures in national polls.
Thirdly, UKIP have no MPs and cannot therefore be in anyway considered a serious party. That might have been said about the Labour party at one stage (before they stuffed the Liberals off the mainstream of UK government), but that is not the point.
Finally, UKIP can never achieve anything because, as we were told on this very site just this morning, UKIP voters are all people of low education and low self-esteem. Oh, and one of their candidates has a moustache.
So stop all this nonsense and get back to voting for one of the "Major" parties. If plebs like you are allowed to go around voting for just anyone, well, who knows where it might lead. Just remember Clegg and Cable were in a boozer before midday, that goes to show what normal chaps they are and how much they understand how little people feel.0 -
What Ukip need are a few personable kippers to be seen on the telly.
I remember years ago (as an old git, I can say that), when Ken Livingstone was an up and coming politician. The Tory press made him out to be a rabid, slavering beast, a soul mate of Vlad the impaler and Dracula (now where did they come from?).
But what the public saw when he first appeared on TV was a charming, if committed, man with a few radical ideas. So despite the wall of derision, he prospered. OK, the mask has maybe slipped a bit since, but the point remains.
If Ukip push forward a few bright, preferably young and preferably female (I was going to add 'attractive' but the BBC would blow a fuse), possibly ethnic and with the odd gay spokespersons (the BBC would love the last two categories), the insults will wither away.
The best time is in September at their conference, when the policies might get a decent hearing - if the spokespersons are appropriately BBC-friendly. And let's be honest, the BBC remains the most important outlet.
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Do we have these charts for all parties ?
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In 2012, there was a very big lead with Yougov for leaving the EU. That must be related to the Eurozone's problems. Back in May 2009, the majority for leaving was 2%. Now it's 2% the other way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Prior to this year, leave led remain with YouGov, then this year, Remain has led.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
I'm thinking it is down to Nick Clegg's heroic defence of the EU.
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4 months of overwelming negative press tends to produce that result.
Its more certain that people who like them vote for them but more certain that people who hate them vote against them.
The irony is that there might be lefties voting Conservative to keep UKIP out.0 -
Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg0 -
If you look at the other EU questions in the survey, that's not so clear.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave.
UKIP = Polarising.
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/xj26ho1jhx/EP-trends-2009-14.pdf
The numbers thinking that trade, and climate change policy should be set at a national rather than EU level have increased.
And the question on leaving the EU "The UK should withdraw completely from the European Union" suggests a third option. I believe the general preference is for a free trade deal.
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They only asked about UKIP and the BNPPulpstar said:Do we have these charts for all parties ?
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/xj26ho1jhx/EP-trends-2009-14.pdf
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I knew that M. Mitterrand had said of Mrs T that "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe", but I didn't know that the emperor and the Iron Lady shared the same dictum, "Oderint dum metuant" [let them hate [me] so long as they fear [me]]?Sean_F said:On topic, it doesn't really matter if more people view UKIP negatively, if in turn, more people vote for them.
Far better to be both admired and hated (as Margaret Thatcher was) than to have people viewing you with indifference.
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I wonder what the Scottish vs rUK split is on the EU. I think they're more pro European than England certainly.Sean_F said:
In 2012, there was a very big lead with Yougov for leaving the EU. That must be related to the Eurozone's problems. Back in May 2009, the majority for leaving was 2%. Now it's 2% the other way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Prior to this year, leave led remain with YouGov, then this year, Remain has led.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
I'm thinking it is down to Nick Clegg's heroic defence of the EU.
Would it be enough to flip it back to an absolute coinflip if they were to split ?0 -
It's no wonder that sometimes UKIP takes a hit in the popularity stakes after a full year of anti-UKIP propaganda by the MSM and most in the Westminster bubble; ending with 6 weeks of pure venom and hate 24/7 from the same upstanding firms.0
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And this oneCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276334/Article/images/20989835/6031971-large.jpg0 -
Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!Richard_Nabavi said:FPT, but I think more relevant to this one:
A better example is that the reason was the same as the reason Clegg mentioned 3 million jobs.antifrank said:UKIP mentioned 29 million for the same reason that Tony Blair mentioned 45 minutes. The intention was that it should be taken at face value.
Of course, Clegg plucking a misleading figure out of the air is proof of LibLabCon lying.
UKIP plucking a misleading (or downright untrue, in the case of the '26 million people in the EU wanting your job' poster) figure out of the air is proof of UKIP's honesty and plain-speaking, that they are not like other politicians.
It's hard to see this disconnect lasting for long. As with the Cleggasm: easy inflate, easy deflate.
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Hmmmm...TheScreamingEagles said:
They only asked about UKIP and the BNPPulpstar said:Do we have these charts for all parties ?
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/xj26ho1jhx/EP-trends-2009-14.pdf0 -
Would you have preferred HMQ to have staged a coup d'etat and turn the clock back to before Cromwell?Bond_James_Bond said:
UKIP are exactly the bits of the brand they want to be shot of.Socrates said:Not surprising given the smear campaign gone on against them. It's especially stupid from the Conservatives, as they could have used a future merger as a way of resetting the brand. Now they've locked in division and toxicity across the right.
I think she's done her best and has been a tremendous source of continuity. It's not her fault she's been let down by one useless government after another.
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It's all down to Clegg and Dave's plan for a plebiscite in 2017.Sean_F said:
In 2012, there was a very big lead with Yougov for leaving the EU. That must be related to the Eurozone's problems. Back in May 2009, the majority for leaving was 2%. Now it's 2% the other way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Prior to this year, leave led remain with YouGov, then this year, Remain has led.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
I'm thinking it is down to Nick Clegg's heroic defence of the EU.0 -
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
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The impression I had from recent polling was that there was already a tendency to leave, and it would be given a small boost if the Scots departed. Fairly small margins, but the Scots were (relatively) Europhilic enough for their departure to make a noticeable difference.Pulpstar said:
I wonder what the Scottish vs rUK split is on the EU. I think they're more pro European than England certainly.Sean_F said:
In 2012, there was a very big lead with Yougov for leaving the EU. That must be related to the Eurozone's problems. Back in May 2009, the majority for leaving was 2%. Now it's 2% the other way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Prior to this year, leave led remain with YouGov, then this year, Remain has led.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that is more likely to be caused by the fact the news bulletins haven't been full of stories of Eurozone meltdown recently, rather than anything to do with the Kippers.TheScreamingEagles said:As I and others noted, the other thing from UKIP's rise this parliament has been those wishing to remain in the EU have taken the lead from those wanting to leave..
I'm thinking it is down to Nick Clegg's heroic defence of the EU.
Would it be enough to flip it back to an absolute coinflip if they were to split ?0 -
Ipsos-Mori do some like/dislike polling for all the parties, last one was last August I thinkPulpstar said:
Hmmmm...TheScreamingEagles said:
They only asked about UKIP and the BNPPulpstar said:Do we have these charts for all parties ?
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/xj26ho1jhx/EP-trends-2009-14.pdf0 -
They did have a "There is no real difference these days between Britain’s threePulpstar said:Do we have these charts for all parties ?
main parties – Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats".
2009: +46/-35
2014: +44/-33
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But Carnyx, you cannot fear College. He is a nuisance not a threat.Carnyx said:
I knew that M. Mitterrand had said of Mrs T that "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe", but I didn't know that the emperor and the Iron Lady shared the same dictum, "Oderint dum metuant" [let them hate [me] so long as they fear [me]]?Sean_F said:On topic, it doesn't really matter if more people view UKIP negatively, if in turn, more people vote for them.
Far better to be both admired and hated (as Margaret Thatcher was) than to have people viewing you with indifference.
The worst he can do to the country is to spill beer on their suits or flick fag ash into their soup.
UKIP adds farce to the political mix, not tragedy.0 -
So only consider backing UKIP at shortish odds in a constituency if it's a triangular fight. In any one-on-one battle, they will probably lose on tactical votes.0
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Haha well saidHurstLlama said:
Mr Isam, For be it from me to even try and answer for OGH, but it does seem that you are missing some very clear and obvious points.isam said:@MIkeSmithson
Another thread suggesting UKIP arent doing so well, this time using You Gov to back it up...
Have UKIP ever had a better YouGov Westminster VI than last nights 17%?
Firstly, 22/05/14 was a disaster for UKIP. There can be no denying this. They may have come top of the Euorpean elections, but they only attracted 9% of the electorate (the fact that the "major" parties attracted even less, need not concern us).
Secondly, when we look at the share of the vote that UKIP attracted in the Locals on 22/05/14 the scale of their disaster becomes even clearer. They may have won lots of seats, they may have topped 30% in areas that they had never contested before, they may have attracted more votes than the Lib Dems by a considerable margin. None of that matters, what you need to understand is that on a projection their national share of the vote plummeted like a paralysed falcon, possibly down to as low as 17%. The Lib Dems meanwhile remain a major party regularly attracting the high single figures in national polls.
Thirdly, UKIP have no MPs and cannot therefore be in anyway considered a serious party. That might have been said about the Labour party at one stage (before they stuffed the Liberals off the mainstream of UK government), but that is not the point.
Finally, UKIP can never achieve anything because, as we were told on this very site just this morning, UKIP voters are all people of low education and low self-esteem. Oh, and one of their candidates has a moustache.
So stop all this nonsense and get back to voting for one of the "Major" parties. If plebs like you are allowed to go around voting for just anyone, well, who knows where it might lead. Just remember Clegg and Cable were in a boozer before midday, that goes to show what normal chaps they are and how much they understand how little people feel.
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Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"0 -
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.0 -
I would prefer King Gideon.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
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On topic, the reason for this is that people only dislike things when they are a relevant threat
Its why Middle class luvvies like mass immigration, it doesnt affect them negatively at all
Its why working class people arent so keen, it has the potential to ruin their lives
As an Arsenal fan, I generally dont think much about or have a negative view of Spurs. But when Bale was banging in worldies every game and they were above us in the league, I absolutely hated them.
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Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.0 -
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
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In the Newark polls we've seen there is no evidence of an anti-UKIP tactical vote.antifrank said:So only consider backing UKIP at shortish odds in a constituency if it's a triangular fight. In any one-on-one battle, they will probably lose on tactical votes.
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I'd prefer something Biblical, like Zerubbabel, Prince of the People.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Or perhaps Saxon, like Wiglaf.
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Looking at the survey, there is the same pattern for the Green party (they only asked for 3 parties).
I wonder if it's a general thing, plus contradictory statements of Britain benefiting from different cultures which is up and Islam is a danger for civilization which is also up.0 -
Maybe in 2009 different events were happening - small insignificant events such as the MPs expenses scandal and the recession where it appeared that Europe was smashing Ireland and other countries to pieces.
Kellner is being disingenuous in comparing 2009 with 2014.0 -
That made me laugh! The thought of Mr Farage as something out of Plautus's comedies ... I was thinking more of Mrs T, actually. But now you mention it, the polling on attitudes to UKIP is actually rather interesting given the likely key target demographics of the Scottish indyref. Early days yet, and we first have the summer hols and the footie and the Games (panem et circenses indeed). And Mr Llama has a point with his view on the importance of UKIP, which applies mutatis mutandis to Scotland. However, it certainly adds another ingredient to the mix.AveryLP said:
But Carnyx, you cannot fear College. He is a nuisance not a threat.Carnyx said:
I knew that M. Mitterrand had said of Mrs T that "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe", but I didn't know that the emperor and the Iron Lady shared the same dictum, "Oderint dum metuant" [let them hate [me] so long as they fear [me]]?Sean_F said:On topic, it doesn't really matter if more people view UKIP negatively, if in turn, more people vote for them.
Far better to be both admired and hated (as Margaret Thatcher was) than to have people viewing you with indifference.
The worst he can do to the country is to spill beer on their suits or flick fag ash into their soup.
UKIP adds farce to the political mix, not tragedy.
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You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.0 -
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
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At one point there will be a George XVI, I wonder if there will be a revolution under his reign.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.0 -
CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
No. And UKIP didn't claim they would. They claimed they would be allowed. And they were allowed. This isn't difficult.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?0 -
Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
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If UKIP do keep the Conservative Party out of power, that's a problem of the Conservatives' own making.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
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Yes, it's a political poster. UKIP is a political party which makes dishonest points using dodgy statistics. Just like Nick Clegg.Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
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Even that was factually incorrectSocrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
Well, the population is only 27-and-a-half million of the two of them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/08/anna-soubry-slams-nigel-farage_n_4238815.html0 -
When I go to a bar full of attractive women, I will allow 100% of them to come back to my placeCarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
Do they all come home with me?
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If you use my chat up lines, then they all will come back with you.isam said:
When I go to a bar full of attractive women, I will allow 100% of them to come back to my placeCarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
Do they all come home with me?
My chat up lines are as awesome as my taste in music and shoes.0 -
Actually it is more the case in recent times that the Sovereign chooses a different regnal name - Albert - George VI .. Albert - Edward VII .. Alexandrina - Victoria.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Unless the Prince of Wales predeceases his mother he will have on his mothers death until the Accession Council meets to determine whether to accede as King George VII as some speculation has considered or King Charles III or indeed some other regnal name of his choosing.
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No, Sam.isam said:
Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
That is how they attempt to justify a vote for UKIP.
Their reason is to rage against the dying of the light.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3466005.stmSocrates said:CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
No. And UKIP didn't claim they would. They claimed they would be allowed. And they were allowed. This isn't difficult.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?0 -
The Prince of Wales will take the regnal name Charles III. George VI took George as his regnal name in order to stress the continuity between his reign and that of his father. The circumstances in 1937 were extraordinary. The second point is that people know so little history today that most will no longer consider another Charles a bad idea.0
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I see an incoherent and unfocused rage from people who, despite the fact that we have the best peacetime government, other than Maggie's, for 50 years, seem already to have forgotten what the last one was like and don't seem concerned about undoing all the progress which has been made in extremely difficult circumstances, and who - amazingly - want to scupper the referendum which they claim to want.isam said:Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.
That's fine, it's a democracy. If you can face the damage the two Eds will do to the country, and don't want a referendum, that's your democratic prerogative. But I don't think it will survive much contact with the reality post 2015, if, God forbid, we do slide backwards into Milibandism.
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Richard_Nabavi is only interested in his turquoise coloured navel; he thinks a tree grows out of it.isam said:
Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
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I very much doubt 100% of Bulgarian or Romanian citizens hold passports, let alone the 105% claimed......Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
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UKIP will probably be one of the factors that keep the Conservatives out in 2015, however the other factors like the united left and the Tory brand being trash since 1992 will still remain.Sean_F said:
If UKIP do keep the Conservative Party out of power, that's a problem of the Conservatives' own making.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
But you can solve factors number 1 and 3 by merging UKIP and the Conservatives in a new party under a new name, it worked before it can work again.0 -
Free marketeers should be able to understand thisAveryLP said:
No, Sam.isam said:
Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
That is how they are attempting to justify voting UKIP.
Their reason is to rage against the dying of the light.
If the Conservative led Govt was popular, 2010 Cons wouldn't vote UKIP
Its not UKIP's fault the Conservatives are losing votes and members, thats like Sainsburys blaming Tesco for shoppers preferring Tesco
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No they did not. I am allowed to go Milton Keynes whenever I like. The fact that I choose not to and have no interest in going to Milton Keynes is beside the point. The fact is that I am allowed to if I want.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
As such the UKIP claim was absolutely accurate. The fact that 29 million people did not immediately jump on a place or train and take up the right does not change the fact that that right was there. More importantly nor does it change the fact that we have now opened up our jobs market to a further 29 million people.
Eagles was lying on the last thread, he knew it and he still chose to make a statement that was factually untrue.
Mind you as we have seen from other Tories on here, 'facts' and the truth are not their greatest priority unfortunately.
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The British Monarchs since the Union with Scotland have all used their birth name as their regnal name with the following exceptions:Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Alexandrina Victoria reigned as Queen Victoria.
Albert Edward reigned as King Edward VII.
Albert Frederick Arthur George reigned as King George VI.
The Prince of Wales is Charles Philip Arthur George and is generally expected to reign as King George VII, though I doubt the tabloids will let that happen. He'll surely be King Charlie-boy to them.
I would think that if Charles does reign as King George VII then he will be the last British monarch in many generations to change his name upon taking the throne. Prince George was surely so named so that he could take that name to the throne without any such faffing about, and there's not the same negative connotations to a King William V as there would be with a King Charles III.0 -
They'd already been allowed to "come to the UK" since 2004 - had they? As you observe "this isn't difficult"....Socrates said:CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
No. And UKIP didn't claim they would. They claimed they would be allowed. And they were allowed. This isn't difficult.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
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"the fact that we have the best peacetime government, other than Maggie's, for 50 years,"Richard_Nabavi said:
I see an incoherent and unfocused rage, which, despite the fact that we have the best peacetime government, other than Maggie's, for 50 years, seems already to have forgotten what the last one was like and doesn't seem concerned about undoing all the progress which has been made in extremely difficult circumstances, and which - amazingly - wants to scupper the referendum which they claim to want.isam said:Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.
That's fine, it's a democracy. If you can face the damage the two Eds will do to the country, and don't want a referendum, that's your democratic prerogative. But I don't think it will survive much contact with the reality post 2015, if, God forbid, we do slide backwards.
Your opinion., this is the point you are missing. Others disagree
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I like to think that the saner Tories wouldn't welcome the bigots back into the fold.Speedy said:
But you can solve factors number 1 and 3 by merging UKIP and the Conservatives in a new party under a new name, it worked before it can work again.Sean_F said:
If UKIP do keep the Conservative Party out of power, that's a problem of the Conservatives' own making.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
Besides, the Kippers who deserted Labour wouldn't be happy with a merger. They'll scuttle away.0 -
I maybe denser than usual, but I don't get that.Anorak said:
You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Can you explain.0 -
I'm sure there'll be plenty of people willing to remind them.....Life_ina_market_town said:The second point is that people know so little history today that most will no longer consider another Charles a bad idea.
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Clegg said 3m jobs were "at risk"Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, it's a political poster. UKIP is a political party which makes dishonest points using dodgy statistics. Just like Nick Clegg.Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
Did UKIP say there was "a risk" of 29m coming?0 -
The europhile political class added lots of poor countries to the EU with the right of free movement to the UK and want to add more.
They don't like it pointed out.
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A king who floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee would be quite a novelty.TheScreamingEagles said:
I maybe denser than usual, but I don't get that.Anorak said:
You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Can you explain.0 -
Most of the saner Conservatives have already abandoned the Cameroon party. Why would they want to re-merge with a broken, discredited brand like the Tory party?TheWatcher said:
I don't think the saner Tories will welcome the bigots back into the fold.Speedy said:
But you can solve factors number 1 and 3 by merging UKIP and the Conservatives in a new party under a new name, it worked before it can work again.Sean_F said:
If UKIP do keep the Conservative Party out of power, that's a problem of the Conservatives' own making.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
Besides, the Kippers who deserted Labour won't be happy with any merger.
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This UKIP poster implied they wouldisam said:
Clegg said 3m jobs were "at risk"Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, it's a political poster. UKIP is a political party which makes dishonest points using dodgy statistics. Just like Nick Clegg.Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
Did UKIP say there was "a risk" of 29m coming?
http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276334/Article/images/20989835/6031971-large.jpg0 -
Fair enough. With Romanian or Bulgarian citizenship then. And it's not 105%. You realise there are Romanian and Bulgarian citizens living outside Romania and Bulgaria, right?CarlottaVance said:
I very much doubt 100% of Bulgarian or Romanian citizens hold passports, let alone the 105% claimed......Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg0 -
No. 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians were not allowed to come in 2004.CarlottaVance said:
They'd already been allowed to "come to the UK" since 2004 - had they? As you observe "this isn't difficult"....Socrates said:CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
No. And UKIP didn't claim they would. They claimed they would be allowed. And they were allowed. This isn't difficult.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?0 -
Yes, I know they do. But economic growth, improved education, progress on the EU, sorting out welfare, getting public procurement more efficient, and sorting out the public finances don't happen by themselves, and can very, very easily slide backwards and start getting worse again.isam said:"the fact that we have the best peacetime government, other than Maggie's, for 50 years,"
Your opinion., this is the point you are missing. Others disagree
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Imagine a poster or advert featuring "The Coronation of King Mohammed I". A joker writes (or sprays) "AL" making it Mohammed ALI. LOLs all round, etc. Mohammed Ali was a boxer of some reknown. Has his own Wiki page and everything.TheScreamingEagles said:
I maybe denser than usual, but I don't get that.Anorak said:
You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Can you explain.
Jeez, these things are less funny when you have to explain them in excruciating detail.0 -
What profess on the EU? We give more money and more powers to Brussels than we did in 2010.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I know they do. But economic growth, improved education, progress on the EU, sorting out welfare, getting public procurement more efficient, and sorting out the public finances don't happen by themselves, and can very, very easily slide backwards and start getting worse again.isam said:"the fact that we have the best peacetime government, other than Maggie's, for 50 years,"
Your opinion., this is the point you are missing. Others disagree0 -
Oh, the boxer.antifrank said:
A king who floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee would be quite a novelty.TheScreamingEagles said:
I maybe denser than usual, but I don't get that.Anorak said:
You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Can you explain.
Thanks.
Yes, that's very funny Mr Anorak.0 -
The working age population of Bulgaria and Romania is 29 million?Richard_Tyndall said:
we have now opened up our jobs market to a further 29 million people.CarlottaVance said:
For completeness, the text is:isam said:
Youve proved my pointCarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
It says the government "will allow" not "will come"
Next year,
the EU will allow
29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK
Did 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians come to the UK?
At least you don't fall into the "will be allowed" inexactitude - they had "been allowed" since 2008....
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That is the total number of unempolyed in the EU, nothing to do with Romanians or Bulgarians (apart from the unemployed ones)TheScreamingEagles said:
This UKIP poster implied they wouldisam said:
Clegg said 3m jobs were "at risk"Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, it's a political poster. UKIP is a political party which makes dishonest points using dodgy statistics. Just like Nick Clegg.Socrates said:
That one is true isn't it? There's 29 million people with Bulgarian or Romanian passports that the UK government have cleared to come to Britain.CarlottaVance said:Is this the UKIP 29 million claim that doesn't exist?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454679_10200306524900845_1544516055_n.jpg
Did UKIP say there was "a risk" of 29m coming?
http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276334/Article/images/20989835/6031971-large.jpg
I made that mistake in an argument with Observer
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It is funny, if I wasn't watching the cricket and working, I'd have gotten the joke quicker.Anorak said:
Imagine a poster or advert featuring "The Coronation of King Mohammed I". A joker writes (or sprays) "AL" making it Mohammed ALI. LOLs all round, etc.TheScreamingEagles said:
I maybe denser than usual, but I don't get that.Anorak said:
You realise the number of times some wag will squeeze a "Al" between Mohammed and "I" will be in the high millions bazillions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tradition I think.Speedy said:
Why is it that almost all male monarchs in Britain are called George even if their actual name is different?TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be King GeorgeGIN1138 said:In the last thread, Anti-Frank ask's whether King Charles should get a Coronation Ceremony, given "most of Europe" doesn't bother.
*TUT*
Personally I think Charles' Regnal should reflect modern Britain.
So I propose he becomes King Mohammed I.
Will do wonders for relations with the Muslim world.
Can you explain.
Jeez, these things are less funny when you have to explain them in excruciating detail.0 -
It's more complicated than that, it all started with europe in the 1950's, should we stay in or out for economic or foreign policy reasons? Which blasted it's way to the surface from time to time in 1975 and 1985 and then it removed Thatcher which split the base of the Tory party. In time that split created UKIP which grew as the Tories moved to the center in coalition and filled the vacuum on the right. It's not that they are popular or not, it's that they appeal to liberals not conservatives anymore.isam said:
Free marketeers should be able to understand thisAveryLP said:
No, Sam.isam said:
Cant you see, Richard, that people voting UKIP think we already have an excruciatingly unpopular government? Thats why they are voting UKIP.Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh, they'll go away, no doubt about that. The question is, how much damage will they do in the meantime? Will they last long enough to put the two Eds into Nos 10 and 11 and cement ever-closer union by scuppering the referendum? If so, long enough beyond that to divide the opposition to what will by then be an excruciatingly unpopular Labour government to an extent which allows Labour to win in 2020 as well?isam said:Haha keep those fingers crossed Richard!
Please make them go away!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno.
That is how they are attempting to justify voting UKIP.
Their reason is to rage against the dying of the light.
If the Conservative led Govt was popular, 2010 Cons wouldn't vote UKIP
Its not UKIP's fault the Conservatives are losing votes and members, thats like Sainsburys blaming Tesco for shoppers preferring Tesco0
