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First - So people can see the thread.0
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A miserly secondTheScreamingEagles said:First - So people can see the thread.
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"As well as strongly supporting Marcus Rashford’s campaign, they could also be talking at the same time about how to improve parenting, offering a muscular socialism of the family."
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It takes a very special kind of political genius for a government to portray itself as mean and heartless in a week where it has just agreed to hand out subsidies so eye-wateringly expensive that the Treasury hasn't even tried to cost them.10
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https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1320420444810350594?s=19
Pack the court Joe. Ram that mother fucker full to bursting.3 -
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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If only the government had a superforecaster who could have predicted this.Richard_Nabavi said:It takes a very special kind of political genius for a government to portray itself as mean and heartless in a week where it has just agreed to hand out subsidies so eye-wateringly expensive that the Treasury hasn't even tried to cost them.
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... and kudos to Alastair for the sentence "Only their most fervent supporters are going to accept that drug dealers are operating Hovis for heroin schemes". Chapeau!2
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Mind you I was convinced the price of pasta at the start of lockdown was part of some elaborate county lines drug trafficking scheme.Richard_Nabavi said:... and kudos to Alastair for the sentence "Only their most fervent supporters are going to accept that drug dealers are operating Hovis for heroin schemes". Chapeau!
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FPT @ ea Shanty
Drove to VA via WV yesterday via rural MD panhandle. Remarkably few political signs or posters given how much energy there clearly is in this election. I am not sure whether that signifies anything, or just that electronic media have taken over from hard copy.
I am picking up the same vibe as you - both sides see this as an end-of-the-world type election should the other side win. Trump's core is obdurate and energized. The Dems are using Trump very effectively to get their own base out and to bring in new voters (which I do not sense Trump is - he is rather retaining existing voters more effectively than I would have imagined).
As for GA, the only person I know there other than TimB is an avid Trump man. But I have got to believe that the demographic directions, historical under-voting in some demos, and the sheer numbers voting this time must be a very good sign for Biden and Dems the whole length of the ticket.
If you mean by Crackers natural conservatives who could not support Trump, I think most would want the GOP not just to lose the White House but to be given an thorough nut kicking in both Houses so that the party can be rid of the novel SARS-Trump-16 virus.0 -
HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1320425285955833857
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Hahaha, have a day off, you've earned it with that one.HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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Even Hyufd has been a bit careful how he defends them over this one.Richard_Nabavi said:... and kudos to Alastair for the sentence "Only their most fervent supporters are going to accept that drug dealers are operating Hovis for heroin schemes". Chapeau!
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Cheer up. McConnell seems to be conceding defeat already.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1320420444810350594?s=19
Pack the court Joe. Ram that mother fucker full to bursting.1 -
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.0 -
Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.0
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Back in August when it seemed that I may have to go back into the office for a couple of days and Manchester was under stricter restrictions it wasn't clear if I was allowed to do anything in Manchester except work, not even go to the shops to get lunch.ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.0 -
Well having now read the thread header I do wonder what drugs tory mp's are snorting. The most stupid and facile arguments ever. By all means I think there are arguments against it the main one in my opinion is that giving vouchers won't change a damn thing in those kids lives. An argument that people can certainly disagree with but at least an honest one rather that trash.0
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C4 news, latest Tory mp excuse: it's Labour's fault for timing this row which to make us look bad.
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Yes, there's a lot to unpack in that tweet.Richard_Nabavi said:
Cheer up. McConnell seems to be conceding defeat already.Alistair said:https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1320420444810350594?s=19
Pack the court Joe. Ram that mother fucker full to bursting.0 -
Could impeach Kavanaugh for allegedly lying to Congress?Alistair said:https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1320420444810350594?s=19
Pack the court Joe. Ram that mother fucker full to bursting.0 -
You are Dennis Skinner and I claim my £5.Pagan2 said:Well having now read the thread header I do wonder what drugs tory mp's are snorting.
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ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.
There's a lot of it about.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
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If that were true, it would be very wrong of Labour. How dare they engage in halfway competent opposition to a government policy cockup?Theuniondivvie said:C4 news, latest Tory mp excuse: it's Labour's fault for timing this row which to make us look bad.
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Where pb leads, 538 follows.TheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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Italy looks very bad.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
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The fact they give both camps ridiculous amounts of crossover support should mean that the poll is garbage and Trump isn’t going to win independents by 45 points . Please find me another poll out of the hundreds we’ve had that show anything like those figures ?HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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I think you probably just insulted Dennis Skinner I have been accused of many things but never being to the the leftydoethur said:
You are Dennis Skinner and I claim my £5.Pagan2 said:Well having now read the thread header I do wonder what drugs tory mp's are snorting.
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About the only faintly comforting thing about all this is it doesn’t seem to matter how useless the government is or how well or badly they deal with it. Unless you run a semi-totalitarian state or are a thousand miles from the next landmass so can enforce travel restrictions easily, you end up getting clobbered.williamglenn said:
Italy looks very bad.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1320395270052548610
The problem is, that may be comforting politically but it’s bloody disturbing medically.2 -
Click on the link.Pagan2 said:
I think you probably just insulted Dennis Skinner I have been accused of many things but never being to the the leftydoethur said:
You are Dennis Skinner and I claim my £5.Pagan2 said:Well having now read the thread header I do wonder what drugs tory mp's are snorting.
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But it's Trafalgar, and they got it right last time.nico679 said:
The fact they give both camps ridiculous amounts of crossover support should mean that the poll is garbage and Trump isn’t going to win independents by 45 points . Please find me another poll out of the hundreds we’ve had that show anything like those figures ?HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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I think that is absolutely spot on about both sides seeing this as an “end of world” vote. Put bluntly, though, two thirds of the electorate are still white and, outside the Twitter / Graduate class, I can’t imagine they are looking forward to a future which they imagine will involve them being seen (and their values) as to be outdated. Ironically, looking at Black turnout rates for EV where they are available it doesn’t seem the Summer’s events have caused massive enthusiasm to vote (hence why Obama was sent to Florida).TimT said:FPT @ ea Shanty
Drove to VA via WV yesterday via rural MD panhandle. Remarkably few political signs or posters given how much energy there clearly is in this election. I am not sure whether that signifies anything, or just that electronic media have taken over from hard copy.
I am picking up the same vibe as you - both sides see this as an end-of-the-world type election should the other side win. Trump's core is obdurate and energized. The Dems are using Trump very effectively to get their own base out and to bring in new voters (which I do not sense Trump is - he is rather retaining existing voters more effectively than I would have imagined).
As for GA, the only person I know there other than TimB is an avid Trump man. But I have got to believe that the demographic directions, historical under-voting in some demos, and the sheer numbers voting this time must be a very good sign for Biden and Dems the whole length of the ticket.
If you mean by Crackers natural conservatives who could not support Trump, I think most would want the GOP not just to lose the White House but to be given an thorough nut kicking in both Houses so that the party can be rid of the novel SARS-Trump-16 virus.
You also have an issue here on the Hispanic vote. This has incredibly been under sampled in this election but there are plenty of signals that Hispanics feel they have been ignored in this campaign, at least outside specific places in Florida. Hispanic turnout in NC, for example, looks low.
Finally, because of CV, the Democrats will get impacted on what have been two of their most successful GOTV strategies, namely “souls to the polls” (Black voters) and college students given the disruption to campuses.
Ralston in Nevada thinks it could go either way - a state the Democrats won last time. Bitzer’s latest missive suggests NC is very much up in the air. Not really landslide territory
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But it's Trafalgar, and they got it right last time.nico679 said:
The fact they give both camps ridiculous amounts of crossover support should mean that the poll is garbage and Trump isn’t going to win independents by 45 points . Please find me another poll out of the hundreds we’ve had that show anything like those figures ?HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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The poor headlines write themselves with these sorts of stories, how hard is it to create a system which doesn't (intentionally or otherwise) mess veterans about like this?TheScreamingEagles said:2 -
There is no defence and another u turn must followydoethur said:
Even Hyufd has been a bit careful how he defends them over this one.Richard_Nabavi said:... and kudos to Alastair for the sentence "Only their most fervent supporters are going to accept that drug dealers are operating Hovis for heroin schemes". Chapeau!
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
Someone tried to arson the Robert Koch Institute last night.
Crazy. What were they hoping to do, burn all the data the RKI are collecting?0 -
It is useful to know why people get things right. Evidence, analysis, luck, will of the gods, etc. All us can call a coin toss correctly after all, we want the ones who can do it repeatedly.eristdoof said:
But it's Trafalgar, and they got it right last time.nico679 said:
The fact they give both camps ridiculous amounts of crossover support should mean that the poll is garbage and Trump isn’t going to win independents by 45 points . Please find me another poll out of the hundreds we’ve had that show anything like those figures ?HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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Good of Mark Meadows , WH Chief of Staff to write the Dems next attack ad to go up . “ We are not going to control the pandemic “ .
Trumps “we’ve rounded the corner” is like the band playing on the Titanic , the more he says this the more it pisses off even more people .0 -
Conviction after impeachment would require a 2/3 majority of the Senate though. That’s not going to happen for the Democrats any time soon and certainly not this cycle.Gallowgate said:
Could impeach Kavanaugh for allegedly lying to Congress?Alistair said:https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1320420444810350594?s=19
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You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
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Very good commentydoethur said:
About the only faintly comforting thing about all this is it doesn’t seem to matter how useless the government is or how well or badly they deal with it. Unless you run a semi-totalitarian state or are a thousand miles from the next landmass so can enforce travel restrictions easily, you end up getting clobbered.williamglenn said:
Italy looks very bad.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1320395270052548610
The problem is, that may be comforting politically but it’s bloody disturbing medically.0 -
FYI, on the 2016 reluctant Trumpstere now turning into enthusiastic ones. Highlights a few themes @TimT talked about
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And sadly the regulations cover people living within a tier area even when they are travelling outside of it.ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.0 -
And Trump going to New Hampshire and Nevada, while piling money into Minnesota.Alistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1320431713021878272?s=19
If The Democrats really thought Texas was in play, they would send Joe. Kamala is probably more of an asset for the state elections
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Not for businessIanB2 said:
And sadly the regulations cover people living within a tier area even when they are travelling outside of it.ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.
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This is why the point about being too early with lockdowns matters. If a population will only consent to a full lockdown for a certain amount of time you want to aim at the biggest wave, which is not necessarily the first one. It already seems clear that a lot of countries that fared quite well in the first wave are going get battered over this winter.FrancisUrquhart said:Looks like Germany's covid cases are doubling every 7 days. Gulp.
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What you mean is, business is an exemption in the regulations, not that the regulations do not apply.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not for businessIanB2 said:
And sadly the regulations cover people living within a tier area even when they are travelling outside of it.ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.
My son in law travels to Airbus for work and outside Conwy CBC0 -
Dismal report from Tom Jefferson & Carl Heneghan
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-ten-worst-Covid-data-failures
They're all bad but imo the tenth is the worst.0 -
Michigan presidential polling. Fieldwork date 24th October in both cases:TheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1320425285955833857
Trafalgar gives Trump a 3% lead
Gravis Marketing gives Biden a 13% lead
Nate Silver then highlights ridiculous crossbreaks that completely undermine the Traflagar poll's credibility. Those crossbreaks then disappear from the Trafalgar site.
Meanwhile the average polling lead for Michigan from all companies remains at 7.6%.
The stench of the putrifying rat is overwhelming. Yet some here still deny that they can smell it.0 -
For some reason, the Nigerian tanker has had several RNLI lifeboats sent out to it.0
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Not sure I understand to be honestIanB2 said:
What you mean is, business is an exemption in the regulations, not that the regulations do not apply.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not for businessIanB2 said:
And sadly the regulations cover people living within a tier area even when they are travelling outside of it.ydoethur said:
I was surprised to see Cannock Chase is one of the areas with the highest infection rates.FrancisUrquhart said:
That would explain why there is talk we’re about to be shoved in a higher tier.
Which would be an embuggerance from my point of view given I live in Cannock Chase but work and therefore shop elsewhere.
My son in law travels to Airbus for work and outside Conwy CBC
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Republicans vote in person they say..
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Last time was 2018 and Trafalgar got it wrong by a margin of 8%.eristdoof said:
But it's Trafalgar, and they got it right last time.nico679 said:
The fact they give both camps ridiculous amounts of crossover support should mean that the poll is garbage and Trump isn’t going to win independents by 45 points . Please find me another poll out of the hundreds we’ve had that show anything like those figures ?HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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Although close to 80% of 2016 turnout has already happened in Texas its likely that figure is going to be surpassed easily and the Dems are likely to be leading at this point . This looks like an effort to squeeze out as many Dems for Election Day and help some downballot races . It does suggest that there’s increasing confidence in the swing states if Harris is going there . Luckily they’re not fans of Trafalgar polls ! LolAlistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
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Mysteriously selective.geoffw said:Dismal report from Tom Jefferson & Carl Heneghan
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-ten-worst-Covid-data-failures
They're all bad but imo the tenth is the worst.
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52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.0
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He's playing you.HYUFD said:
However the fact they give Biden 25% of the GOP vote shows they are not just set up solely to favour TrumpTheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
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Same reason she was drafted into Ohio. It's staying red, but there's potentially tight down-ballot races.MrEd said:
And Trump going to New Hampshire and Nevada, while piling money into Minnesota.Alistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1320431713021878272?s=19
If The Democrats really thought Texas was in play, they would send Joe. Kamala is probably more of an asset for the state elections0 -
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
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Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
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Given that the state houses elected this year will map the state and federal legislative districts for the next decade, I guess the Biden-Harris campaign must think getting control of one or both of Texas’s legislative houses is worth a punt, even if getting the TX senate seat or EVs is probably a stretch.nico679 said:
Although close to 80% of 2016 turnout has already happened in Texas its likely that figure is going to be surpassed easily and the Dems are likely to be leading at this point . This looks like an effort to squeeze out as many Dems for Election Day and help some downballot races . It does suggest that there’s increasing confidence in the swing states if Harris is going there . Luckily they’re not fans of Trafalgar polls ! LolAlistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
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An honest questionMaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
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Agreed. The Democrats are looking to take the lower state house in Texas. Personally, I don’t think they will do it because, due to lack of ticket splitting, the Republicans on the lower tickets will benefit from pull up, unlike 2018. Noticeable that the last Senate poll had Cornyn up by 9 in TX. That doesn’t really point to the Dems turning TX blue.brokenwheel said:
Same reason she was drafted into Ohio. It's staying red, but there's potentially tight down-ballot races.MrEd said:
And Trump going to New Hampshire and Nevada, while piling money into Minnesota.Alistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1320431713021878272?s=19
If The Democrats really thought Texas was in play, they would send Joe. Kamala is probably more of an asset for the state elections
Also, if anyone knows what is happening at Texas State University in terms of students going back (!), I’d be interested. If there have not been lines of students turning out to vote, the fact the 2020 votes have already surpassed 16 could be positive for Trump0 -
This is us in two weeks then.MaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
I really can’t see how schools will be able to stay open under such circumstances. It’s already running rampant through them and if vulnerable teachers have to shield then the whole system will implode again.
Plus we’re already all completely worn out and the children are exploding under the restrictions even though so far we’ve been pretty lucky with the weather.0 -
It's looking like North Carolina is going to flip at both Presidential and Senate level, which will mean the demise of Thomas Tillis.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/120niJzXNDssyJDgqzt-EgHEqarQgnY_8/view
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Trump might need to nuke it.Alistair said:Republicans vote in person they say..
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And re the below, Texas looks increasingly good for the Dems.0
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Yepnico679 said:
Although close to 80% of 2016 turnout has already happened in Texas its likely that figure is going to be surpassed easily and the Dems are likely to be leading at this point . This looks like an effort to squeeze out as many Dems for Election Day and help some downballot races . It does suggest that there’s increasing confidence in the swing states if Harris is going there . Luckily they’re not fans of Trafalgar polls ! LolAlistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
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What’s your forecast for the election?MrEd said:FYI, on the 2016 reluctant Trumpstere now turning into enthusiastic ones. Highlights a few themes @TimT talked about
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/10/25/2016s_reluctant_trumpers_are_2020s_avid_trumpers.html0 -
What time is tomorrow's u-turn?0
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And woe betide anyone who comments on the number of fat poor people.....(I know nutrition quality is the issue, but some of these parents (and some of their kids) could do with fewer calories for a bit.....)FrancisUrquhart said:
These days, any suggestion of poor parenting in relation to anything, is the quickest way to have the twitterverse pile on you.
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I wonder if Fox News and especially Sean Hannity will go down the chute with this muppet-show Trafalgar polling.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Michigan presidential polling. Fieldwork date 24th October in both cases:TheScreamingEagles said:Well colour me shocked.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1320425285955833857
Trafalgar gives Trump a 3% lead
Gravis Marketing gives Biden a 13% lead
Nate Silver then highlights ridiculous crossbreaks that completely undermine the Traflagar poll's credibility. Those crossbreaks then disappear from the Trafalgar site.
Meanwhile the average polling lead for Michigan from all companies remains at 7.6%.
The stench of the putrifying rat is overwhelming. Yet some here still deny that they can smell it.
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Which Boris or Drakefordrottenborough said:What time is tomorrow's u-turn?
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Not particularly, I'd say that France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium testing is worse than our system, Germany and Italy probably marginally better.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An honest questionMaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
Is anyone testing in Europe any better than the UK or Germany
Ultimately every country suffers from the same issue of people not isolating after testing positive. Nations who have effectively defeated the virus have very good isolation measures (Australia, NZ) or people who are responsible and isolate properly without needing special measures (SK, Japan).1 -
With a tanker full of oil on the doorstep of some of our most sensitive and heavily populated beach areas, they would be raving mad not to.IanB2 said:
BBC says the military are being called inIanB2 said:For some reason, the Nigerian tanker has had several RNLI lifeboats sent out to it.
The consequences of somebody opening the taps (metaphorically speaking) on that thing do not bear thinking about. It would make the Braer or even the Torrey Canyon look like a picnic.0 -
Rumour is that the special forces are being called in to deal with the tanker. Unconfirmed.
Meanwhile the Navy bomb disposal squad has been seen boarding the ferry to the island. By coincidence or otherwise.0 -
Sorry TimT, got you mixed up with TimB. Will try to keep in mind that he is before you alphabetically, just like GA precedes MD.TimT said:FPT @ ea Shanty
Drove to VA via WV yesterday via rural MD panhandle. Remarkably few political signs or posters given how much energy there clearly is in this election. I am not sure whether that signifies anything, or just that electronic media have taken over from hard copy.
I am picking up the same vibe as you - both sides see this as an end-of-the-world type election should the other side win. Trump's core is obdurate and energized. The Dems are using Trump very effectively to get their own base out and to bring in new voters (which I do not sense Trump is - he is rather retaining existing voters more effectively than I would have imagined).
As for GA, the only person I know there other than TimB is an avid Trump man. But I have got to believe that the demographic directions, historical under-voting in some demos, and the sheer numbers voting this time must be a very good sign for Biden and Dems the whole length of the ticket.
If you mean by Crackers natural conservatives who could not support Trump, I think most would want the GOP not just to lose the White House but to be given an thorough nut kicking in both Houses so that the party can be rid of the novel SARS-Trump-16 virus.
Hope the weather was good for your drive, some very lovely country in those parts. Back in my misspent youth used to travel from WV to DC via the Maryland panhandle.
One of my stops was a candy store along the road in (IIRC) Grantsville MD which sold all kinds of candy they made (I think) on site or close by. NOT fancy but good stuff; my personal favorite was their white chocolate which the sold in chunks.
Re: signage in MD & WVA really not much incentive this year EXCEPT for (maybe) local races, as everybody knows which way these states are going at top end of ballot.
By "Crackers" I simply mean Georgians of any description; like to think of TimB as an Anglo-Cracker!0 -
North Carolina turnout in early 2020 votes is now 65% of total 2016 votes. 4.7m votes were cast in 2016, 3.1m have already been cast in 2020.
Of these votes, 40.5% are from registered Democrats, and 30% from registered Republicans, an absolute difference of 326,000.
The Republicans have an enormous amount of catching up to do and are running out of time to do it.0 -
ydoethur said:
If that were true, it would be very wrong of Labour. How dare they engage in halfway competent opposition to a government policy cockup?Theuniondivvie said:C4 news, latest Tory mp excuse: it's Labour's fault for timing this row which to make us look bad.
I agree! It's the government's job to make the government look bad - and frankly, Labour are amateurs at it compared to the government - leave it to the professionals!2 -
I hope I am wrong, but you get the impression that the winter could be brutal.0
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We seem to delight in attacking our own system which I understand is near a 400,000 a day capacity and is not far off Germany.MaxPB said:
Not particularly, I'd say that France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium testing is worse than our system, Germany and Italy probably marginally better.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An honest questionMaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
Is anyone testing in Europe any better than the UK or Germany
Ultimately every country suffers from the same issue of people not isolating after testing positive. Nations who have effectively defeated the virus have very good isolation measures (Australia, NZ) or people who are responsible and isolate properly without needing special measures (SK, Japan).
And of course the countries who have best dealt with this are all in the Southern Hemisphere and in New Zealand case 1500 miles from nearest land in Australia and comprises two islands with wide open spaces0 -
It would seem so. A helicopter has just headed out to sea; looks like things are building to a climax.Foxy said:
Surely the Bomb squad don't usually deploy via Wightlink?IanB2 said:Rumour is that the special forces are being called in to deal with the tanker. Unconfirmed.
Meanwhile the Navy bomb disposal squad has been seen boarding the ferry to the island. By coincidence or otherwise.0 -
The British response to Corona has much to be proud of, with only the government letting the side down.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We seem to delight in attacking our own system which I understand is near a 400,000 a day capacity and is not far off Germany.MaxPB said:
Not particularly, I'd say that France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium testing is worse than our system, Germany and Italy probably marginally better.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An honest questionMaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
Is anyone testing in Europe any better than the UK or Germany
Ultimately every country suffers from the same issue of people not isolating after testing positive. Nations who have effectively defeated the virus have very good isolation measures (Australia, NZ) or people who are responsible and isolate properly without needing special measures (SK, Japan).
And of course the countries who have best dealt with this are all in the Southern Hemisphere and in New Zealand case 1500 miles from nearest land in Australia and comprises two islands with wide open spaces0 -
One thing to be careful of in NC is older voters registered Democrats but who vote Republicans.Wulfrun_Phil said:North Carolina turnout in early 2020 votes is now 65% of total 2016 votes. 4.7m votes were cast in 2016, 3.1m have already been cast in 2020.
Of these votes, 40.5% are from registered Democrats, and 30% from registered Republicans, an absolute difference of 326,000.
The Republicans have an enormous amount of catching up to do and are running out of time to do it.
In rural areas, which are 19pc of votes cast so far (or what I checked last earlier), the Democrats have a big lead by party registration. Given these tend to be Trump areas, and that the EV has skewed heavily to older voters, there is a good chance many of these are registered as Democrats but have voted for Trump.
Regardless, the Republicans have been cutting the democrat lead in party registration votes by c 2pc per day and it is now at 11pc. Souls to the polls will be less effective this year given CV.
I’m increasingly of the view the Republicans will hold NC both at the Senate and Presidential level1 -
BBC News - Covid: Spain imposes national night-time curfew to curb infections
He said he would ask parliament to extend the new rules, initially in force for 15 days, to six months.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54682222
It is unclear from the report, is the PM really asking for a curfew for 6 months? Of it is the power to impose it at anytime over the next 6 months?0 -
University of Texas - best I can tell they do have (at least some) students on campus.MrEd said:
Agreed. The Democrats are looking to take the lower state house in Texas. Personally, I don’t think they will do it because, due to lack of ticket splitting, the Republicans on the lower tickets will benefit from pull up, unlike 2018. Noticeable that the last Senate poll had Cornyn up by 9 in TX. That doesn’t really point to the Dems turning TX blue.brokenwheel said:
Same reason she was drafted into Ohio. It's staying red, but there's potentially tight down-ballot races.MrEd said:
And Trump going to New Hampshire and Nevada, while piling money into Minnesota.Alistair said:You need to pay attention to where they are campaigning they said...
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1320431713021878272?s=19
If The Democrats really thought Texas was in play, they would send Joe. Kamala is probably more of an asset for the state elections
Also, if anyone knows what is happening at Texas State University in terms of students going back (!), I’d be interested. If there have not been lines of students turning out to vote, the fact the 2020 votes have already surpassed 16 could be positive for Trump
You raise good point re: student vote.
And while it is true that on-campus population is either missing OR reduced, the actually students are still around. AND while a bit harder to mobilize, methinks that most (actually a strong majority) will indeed vote.
Actually think is is a bigger issue for local Democratic candidates for Congress & legislature in swing districts, where the student vote is esp. important for Dems.0 -
I remember the 'Torrey Canyon' well as it was a time (1967) when we were actually on holiday in the South West and the smell of heavy oil and the sight of damaged beaches was something not to be forgottenydoethur said:
With a tanker full of oil on the doorstep of some of our most sensitive and heavily populated beach areas, they would be raving mad not to.IanB2 said:
BBC says the military are being called inIanB2 said:For some reason, the Nigerian tanker has had several RNLI lifeboats sent out to it.
The consequences of somebody opening the taps (metaphorically speaking) on that thing do not bear thinking about. It would make the Braer or even the Torrey Canyon look like a picnic.0 -
My son’s primary is fine, and all the children and teachers seem delighted to be back.ydoethur said:
This is us in two weeks then.MaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
I really can’t see how schools will be able to stay open under such circumstances. It’s already running rampant through them and if vulnerable teachers have to shield then the whole system will implode again.
Plus we’re already all completely worn out and the children are exploding under the restrictions even though so far we’ve been pretty lucky with the weather.
You seem desperate for the schools to close.0 -
I'm increasingly convinced they won't, based on polling. This is polling based on not only how people might intend to vote but, of course, how many of them have already voted - hence virtually an exit poll. Bet accordingly.MrEd said:Wulfrun_Phil said:North Carolina turnout in early 2020 votes is now 65% of total 2016 votes. 4.7m votes were cast in 2016, 3.1m have already been cast in 2020.
Of these votes, 40.5% are from registered Democrats, and 30% from registered Republicans, an absolute difference of 326,000.
The Republicans have an enormous amount of catching up to do and are running out of time to do it.
I’m increasingly of the view the Republicans will hold NC both at the Senate and Presidential level
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The testing numbers aren't as important as effectiveness. We could be testing fewer than half the number of people if we had faster turnaround times and proper contact tracing with local authorities in charge door knocking taking swabs and getting tests processed locally within 24h if taking the swab and then isolating people properly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We seem to delight in attacking our own system which I understand is near a 400,000 a day capacity and is not far off Germany.MaxPB said:
Not particularly, I'd say that France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium testing is worse than our system, Germany and Italy probably marginally better.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An honest questionMaxPB said:
Tbf, this is us in two weeks unless the government gets a grip on self isolation and testing failures.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is seriously worrying right across Europe just nowMaxPB said:52k cases in France. Wtf is happening over there.
Is anyone testing in Europe any better than the UK or Germany
Ultimately every country suffers from the same issue of people not isolating after testing positive. Nations who have effectively defeated the virus have very good isolation measures (Australia, NZ) or people who are responsible and isolate properly without needing special measures (SK, Japan).
And of course the countries who have best dealt with this are all in the Southern Hemisphere and in New Zealand case 1500 miles from nearest land in Australia and comprises two islands with wide open spaces2 -
George Galloway interview with Triggernometry currently streaming.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLLgbD7IKp80 -
Odd lineup vs Arsenal for Leicester. No starting striker, but several on the bench.
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