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Whilst Betfair remains suspended we receive an ‘optimistic’ update from Trump’s doctors – politicalb

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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    My working assumption is that Trump's in a critical condition.

    He may be sending the odd tweet whilst on oxygen, it's possible, or it might be one of him team ghosting for him - it's not hard to imitate his style.

    Either way I'd take official reports of his condition with a pinch of salt.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,822
    Bulk addition of cases, oh dear.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076
    HYUFD said:

    Correctly so, Ford ran for re election after 8 years of his party in the White House, Bush Snr ran after 12 years of his party in the White House, obviously neither were in the same category as a President running for re election after only 4 years of their party in the White House,
    I know what you are writing is factually true, but it is totally meaningless in terms of predicting election results, which is what you are trying to do.
    I'm sure you have seen this https://xkcd.com/1122/ before.
  • My working assumption is that Trump's in a critical condition.

    He may be sending the odd tweet whilst on oxygen, it's possible, or it might be one of him team ghosting for him - it's not hard to imitate his style.

    Either way I'd take official reports of his condition with a pinch of salt.

    I agree
  • I think those concerns were a little off-base. Nobody can seriously expect early vaccines to prevent infection altogether -- although later versions might -- and 50% reduction in chance of symptoms would still be a powerful tool. I think it's hardly likely that this could occur without also reducing serious disease.

    Put another way, if the trials had been designed so a candidate would only pass if it completely prevents infection in a large percentage of patients, we'd not expect to get one for several years. And if the trial were required the show that the risk of death were reduced we'd either need challenge trials or to wait years for the results.

    The real question for patients should be: is it better to get this vaccine than not to get it? I've little doubt that these vaccines will pass that bar easily.

    --AS
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,671
    edited October 2020

    My working assumption is that Trump's in a critical condition.

    He may be sending the odd tweet whilst on oxygen, it's possible, or it might be one of him team ghosting for him - it's not hard to imitate his style.

    Either way I'd take official reports of his condition with a pinch of salt.

    It was those answers to whether Trump had needed oxygen that were the warning flares for me.
  • dr_spyn said:

    The UK figures should be available after 8.53 pm.

    Due to a technical issue, which has now been resolved, there has been a delay in publishing a number of COVID-19 cases to the dashboard in England. This means the total reported over the coming days will include some additional cases from the period between 24 September and 1 October, increasing the number of cases reported.

    8.53pm seems an oddly specific time. Has someone taken literally a random techies' guesstimate that it would take about an hour to fix?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,822

    8.53pm seems an oddly specific time. Has someone taken literally a random techies' guesstimate that it would take about an hour to fix?
    They're probably running the data pipeline process which has a specific end time.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    8.53pm seems an oddly specific time. Has someone taken literally a random techies' guesstimate that it would take about an hour to fix?
    I think it's just 15 mins after the update process started.
  • 12,872 cases!

    Which I think we need to look at the specimen dates.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Fun North Carolina Fact: 4.73% of eligible voters have voted
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    Looks as though it has been updated though, 12,872.
  • It also rather glosses over the opposite: that whatever happened, the anti-restrictions crowd (bearing in mind that if what we’ve had is “lockdown”, Sweden has also had lots of lockdown) would certainly say that it meant no restrictions had been necessary.

    Infections up? “Restrictions don’t work, cancel them.”

    Infections down? “Restrictions weren’t necessary, it would have come down without them, prove it wouldn’t, cancel them.”

    We had fifty years of similar arguments around smoking.
    The solution is surely the following policy:

    "People with surnames beginning A-L are required to work from home, never use public transport or restaurants, never meet outside of their household, and wear a mask 24/7.

    People with surnames beginning M-S must wear a mask inside shops and on public transport, and should meet in groups of no more than 6.

    People with surnames beginning T-Z are forbidden from wearing masks, must eat only in restaurants in groups of at least 20, and are required to shake hands at least once every 5 minutes.

    We will consider the outcomes in one month's time."

    --AS
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Genuine question: if Trump had followed almost exactly the same policies but been polite and reasonable throughout his term, and not a performance-art c**t, would he win a second term?

    Yes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    It also rather glosses over the opposite: that whatever happened, the anti-restrictions crowd (bearing in mind that if what we’ve had is “lockdown”, Sweden has also had lots of lockdown) would certainly say that it meant no restrictions had been necessary.

    Infections up? “Restrictions don’t work, cancel them.”

    Infections down? “Restrictions weren’t necessary, it would have come down without them, prove it wouldn’t, cancel them.”

    We had fifty years of similar arguments around smoking.
    Yes it works both ways.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,822

    12,872 cases!

    Which I think we need to look at the specimen dates.

    24th is still the most recent peak and it still looks to have levelled off since then and fallen a very tiny amount.
  • 12,872 cases!

    Which I think we need to look at the specimen dates.

    Bet it is the bloody students...
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076

    There's an awful lot of truth in the comment of whoever it was who said that Johnson has always wanted to become PM, and has always wanted to have been PM... but really can't be bothered with the bit in the middle.

    But I don't think he'll walk. A one year Premiership (or two, or three, or four) would simply be seen as a failure by posterity, and he knows that. I could see him walking if he gets another term, but struggle to see it earlier.
    Similarly, another common comment is "Anyone who is mad enough wants to be prime-minister is not suitable to be PM." The comment is harsh but probably close to the case for Mr Johnson.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    This briefing paper provides data on the gender, age, ethnicity and educational backgrounds of Members of Parliament elected at the 2019 General Election and how this has changed over time.

    The 2019 intake's ethnicity and so on has not changed over time; they mean, of course, how it compares with previous generations. If there is a job going for someone to sub-edit straplines on Commons research papers, I'm available.
    Their age has.
    They are, remarkably, all just over 9 1/2 months older.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    My working assumption is that Trump's in a critical condition.

    He may be sending the odd tweet whilst on oxygen, it's possible, or it might be one of him team ghosting for him - it's not hard to imitate his style.

    Either way I'd take official reports of his condition with a pinch of salt.

    I think he's ok and it's mild so far.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    MaxPB said:

    24th is still the most recent peak and it still looks to have levelled off since then and fallen a very tiny amount.
    Their message says it will take several days to clear the backlog "the total reported over the coming days will include some additional cases from the period between 24 September and 1 October"

    We might have to wait until into next week for this to clear up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    My working assumption is that Trump's in a critical condition.

    He may be sending the odd tweet whilst on oxygen, it's possible, or it might be one of him team ghosting for him - it's not hard to imitate his style.

    Either way I'd take official reports of his condition with a pinch of salt.

    We can't know either way. That's how I'm looking at it.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    MaxPB said:

    24th is still the most recent peak and it still looks to have levelled off since then and fallen a very tiny amount.
    Hmm, I'm a little worried that the last four days or so all have numbers similar to the amount at the end of last week. Those four days will have cases added to them because of the lag in specimen date.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307

    8.53pm seems an oddly specific time. Has someone taken literally a random techies' guesstimate that it would take about an hour to fix?
    They also stated at that point that the data took 15 minutes to load. For most of this week the update is c. 4.00pm.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited October 2020
    eristdoof said:

    I know what you are writing is factually true, but it is totally meaningless in terms of predicting election results, which is what you are trying to do.
    I'm sure you have seen this https://xkcd.com/1122/ before.
    No it isn't, of course there may be exceptions but there are exceptions to anything, however the normal rules in US presidential politics are - If your party has been out of power for 8 years and you are their candidate you will win, if you then run for re election four years later you are re elected (or your Vice President is re elected if you are assassinated as was the case for JFK in 1964 with LBJ), your Vice President or successor as party nominee however will then lose the subsequent election.

    That has been the case for every US presidential election since 1950 with the exception of 1980 and 1988 and 1992 (though 1992 effectively followed the rule just it was 4 years delayed).

    Now Biden could win as Reagan did in 1980 and may well do so but he would be very much the exception to the rule
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    Bet it is the bloody students...
    I think we can all feel a little less guilty about the national debt now. HaHaHaHa is how I think it goes.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    I think those concerns were a little off-base. Nobody can seriously expect early vaccines to prevent infection altogether -- although later versions might -- and 50% reduction in chance of symptoms would still be a powerful tool. I think it's hardly likely that this could occur without also reducing serious disease.

    Put another way, if the trials had been designed so a candidate would only pass if it completely prevents infection in a large percentage of patients, we'd not expect to get one for several years. And if the trial were required the show that the risk of death were reduced we'd either need challenge trials or to wait years for the results.

    The real question for patients should be: is it better to get this vaccine than not to get it? I've little doubt that these vaccines will pass that bar easily.

    --AS
    This might reassure some people. Derek Lowe is a pretty noted and level headed name in science reporting, so I tend to trust him on this.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/09/21/the-vaccine-protocols
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Andy_JS said:

    We can't know either way. That's how I'm looking at it.
    We don’t need to guess. Trump is in hospital. That’s enough. It’s serious.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035
    edited October 2020
    tlg86 said:

    I thought they said everyone in the room had been tested? Do we know when those tests were conducted?
    IIRC the Trumps arrived too late to be tested even though they had agreed to that procedure beforehand. I suspect it was deliberate as they already had a pretty good idea by that stage.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    Scott_xP said:
    If that's the biggest scoop in it....
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Andy_JS said:

    We can't know either way. That's how I'm looking at it.
    A man of his age and weight ... I am expecting things to get worse rather than better.
  • It was those answers to whether Trump had needed oxygen that were the warning flares for me.
    Keep in mind that doctors attending the President - any president - are highly likely to use somewhat heroic measures perhaps a wee bit earlier than with a less eminent patient. Such as break out the oxygen if POTUS was getting huffy and NOT in a good way.

    SO use of H2O not necessarily a sign of severity, though clearly we are NOT talking asymptomatic.

    Note that heath of head of state and/or government has ALWAYS been considered a matter of state:as positive propaganda when good, and a state secret when not.

    No different this time around. Just that White House is run by a bunch of reform school rejects and other criminal incompetents (also visa versa) who matriculated from drunk tanks and diploma mills (such as Wharton School of U of Penn).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Other fun but highly suspicious North Carolina fact. The weekly increase in Absentee Ballot requests has been perfectly linear over the last 5 weeks.

    Like R2=0.999. That's basically unbelievable? Is NC election infrastructure working at maximum capacity? Is there delays getting ballots out?
  • Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1312482188122750977

    Given we already know about how colourful Boris' personal life has been, seems a strange choice for the big scoop headline.
  • OnboardG1 said:

    This might reassure some people. Derek Lowe is a pretty noted and level headed name in science reporting, so I tend to trust him on this.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/09/21/the-vaccine-protocols
    Yes, I agree. I've been following his column for a few weeks. He's generally good and accurate on the stats, and the comments on his articles are not too bad either.

    --AS
  • The solution is surely the following policy:

    "People with surnames beginning A-L are required to work from home, never use public transport or restaurants, never meet outside of their household, and wear a mask 24/7.

    People with surnames beginning M-S must wear a mask inside shops and on public transport, and should meet in groups of no more than 6.

    People with surnames beginning T-Z are forbidden from wearing masks, must eat only in restaurants in groups of at least 20, and are required to shake hands at least once every 5 minutes.

    We will consider the outcomes in one month's time."

    --AS
    Good one. I was trying to think of a hypothesis that would satisfy Parris on the grounds of falsifiability. My idea was to have the population of Liverpool self-isolate while that of Manchester conducted street carnivals.
  • RobD said:
    Sunday paper book serialisations tend to keep their biggest scoops for weeks 2 & 3?

    Think he is scandal proof anyway. Everyone knows he has no decency or morals, plenty forgive him and a few like that kind of thing.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Yes, I agree. I've been following his column for a few weeks. He's generally good and accurate on the stats, and the comments on his articles are not too bad either.

    --AS
    Well, for the internet they're good!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,210
    RobD said:

    I think it's just 15 mins after the update process started.
    Yup - I think that part of the process is automated - after they hit the "update" button the message goes up on the website with a time 15 minutes from the start of the update. That is based on similar messages I've seen over the last few weeks.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    A man of his age and weight ... I am expecting things to get worse rather than better.
    He's in good shape for his age. Certainly overweight, but not wildly so. Not drinking is a huge plus too.

  • Sunday paper book serialisations tend to keep their biggest scoops for weeks 2 & 3?

    Think he is scandal proof anyway. Everyone knows he has no decency or morals, plenty forgive him and a few like that kind of thing.
    Even so, I think we all expected some sort of Boris boofed me in the stationary cupboard and later I found out he also boofed two other ladies that same day.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited October 2020

    Given we already know about how colourful Boris' personal life has been, seems a strange choice for the big scoop headline.
    If Boris had done it fair enough but he cannot be responsible for his Father

    Is this the best front page the mail on sunday can do
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    So. Can someone catch me up on today's data?
    Why was it late? Why the excess catch up cases? Does this mean the level off of last week was a myth? Is there objective truth, and if so, how could we be sure we have ascertained it?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    dr_spyn said:

    They also stated at that point that the data took 15 minutes to load. For most of this week the update is c. 4.00pm.
    13,000 is too many new daily cases to count!
  • If Boris had done it fair enough but he cannot be responsible for his Father

    Is this the best front page the mail on sunday can do
    Yes, it like the criticism that his dad won't stick to the COVID rules. What do they expect Boris to do, send round the military to lock him down from travel and wear a mask at all times.
  • dixiedean said:

    So. Can someone catch me up on today's data?
    Why was it late? Why the excess catch up cases? Does this mean the level off of last week was a myth? Is there objective truth, and if so, how could we be sure we have ascertained it?

    Until Malmesbury does his magic on specimen date analysis we won't know.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Until Malmesbury does his magic on specimen date analysis we won't know.
    Well you can also see that on the government website. Click the cases link, and scroll down.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,210

    Until Malmesbury does his magic on specimen date analysis we won't know.
    The cases are interesting in a backward looking kind of way. But they have a number of problems, when trying to decide what is really, really happening

    1) The number of tess changes
    2) The capacity is rocketing up. Which means that it is becoming easier to get a test again.
    3) Testing is being dumped into the hotspots.
    4) etc...

    The only way to know what is happening is to run and infection survey. Fortunately, the ONS is doing exactly that. The latest data for infections per day looks like this -

    image
  • RobD said:

    Well you can also see that on the government website. Click the cases link, and scroll down.
    #InMalmesburyWeTrust
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,210

    If Boris had done it fair enough but he cannot be responsible for his Father

    Is this the best front page the mail on sunday can do
    That suggests that the book is a bit of a bust for earth shattering revelations about Boris himself.

    Bit like the Cameron biography?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    @Malmesbury could you make a plot showing net changes in cases by specimen date? Then we can see where all these extra ones are coming from.
  • Yes, it like the criticism that his dad won't stick to the COVID rules. What do they expect Boris to do, send round the military to lock him down from travel and wear a mask at all times.
    Introduce fewer, clearer laws. Enforce them and provide enough resource for the courts and police to do so.

    (That's obviously the opposite of what I "expect" them to do, but is what they should do and why the criticism is deserved).
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    dixiedean said:

    So. Can someone catch me up on today's data?
    Why was it late? Why the excess catch up cases? Does this mean the level off of last week was a myth? Is there objective truth, and if so, how could we be sure we have ascertained it?

    Technical fault, because you need to include them at some point, maybe but specimen date looks level but higher (although it's going to be important to see how the distribution of new specimens over the next few days), yes but statistics is hard.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    The cases are interesting in a backward looking kind of way. But they have a number of problems, when trying to decide what is really, really happening

    1) The number of tess changes
    2) The capacity is rocketing up. Which means that it is becoming easier to get a test again.
    3) Testing is being dumped into the hotspots.
    4) etc...

    The only way to know what is happening is to run and infection survey. Fortunately, the ONS is doing exactly that. The latest data for infections per day looks like this -

    image
    The error bars on the daily figures must be pretty big.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    The cases are interesting in a backward looking kind of way. But they have a number of problems, when trying to decide what is really, really happening

    1) The number of tess changes
    2) The capacity is rocketing up. Which means that it is becoming easier to get a test again.
    3) Testing is being dumped into the hotspots.
    4) etc...

    The only way to know what is happening is to run and infection survey. Fortunately, the ONS is doing exactly that. The latest data for infections per day looks like this -

    image
    It's interesting that we seem to now be catching 60-80% of cases. If we could get the isolation rates up it feels like we could actually get this under control.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump approval with likely/registered voters:

    51.7% disapprove
    45.0% approve

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

    45% "approve" of Donald Trump? Really?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Sending students back into halls is still one of the dumbest things the government (of all the nations) has done.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited October 2020
    Thanks for all that people. I must say I was somewhat suspicious yesterday with the 2 simultaneous pieces of news.
    1 Cases levelling off.
    2 770 at Northumbria alone.
    Didn't sit entirely right.

    And @Malmesbury does a wonderful job. Thank you very much for your efforts.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,210
    RobD said:

    @Malmesbury could you make a plot showing net changes in cases by specimen date? Then we can see where all these extra ones are coming from.

    Slooowwlly fetching the data now.

    The problem is that my system isn't setup to track backdating. I could compare the spreadsheet from yesterday and today..... hmmmmm.....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728

    Keep in mind that doctors attending the President - any president - are highly likely to use somewhat heroic measures perhaps a wee bit earlier than with a less eminent patient. Such as break out the oxygen if POTUS was getting huffy and NOT in a good way.

    SO use of H2O not necessarily a sign of severity, though clearly we are NOT talking asymptomatic.

    Note that heath of head of state and/or government has ALWAYS been considered a matter of state:as positive propaganda when good, and a state secret when not.

    No different this time around. Just that White House is run by a bunch of reform school rejects and other criminal incompetents (also visa versa) who matriculated from drunk tanks and diploma mills (such as Wharton School of U of Penn).
    Yes - and Trump could be in a steep decline or faking it completely, and we likely wouldn’t find out for a while.

    Meantime....
    https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1312441613503799296
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    The error bars on the daily figures must be pretty big.
    Or, from the graph, impossibly small.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,335
    edited October 2020

    Yes, it like the criticism that his dad won't stick to the COVID rules. What do they expect Boris to do, send round the military to lock him down from travel and wear a mask at all times.
    Absolutely.
    It's his employee Cummings that he should do that to.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    That suggests that the book is a bit of a bust for earth shattering revelations about Boris himself.

    Bit like the Cameron biography?
    The guy seems to have a vacuous personality constructed of bluster. Every report I have seen by anyone spending any time with him is that he is a hollow shell, that he lacks real ability, talent and warmth.

    What sort of "... earth shattering revelations ..." could there be about such a person?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,210

    The error bars on the daily figures must be pretty big.
    They are - I could add them to the graph, I suppose....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728
    This is pretty well horseshit, and it’s pretty poor that he hasn’t postponed the debate for a week.
    https://twitter.com/V2019N/status/1312480672649416704
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    The guy seems to have a vacuous personality constructed of bluster. Every report I have seen by anyone spending any time with him is that he is a hollow shell, that he lacks real ability, talent and warmth.

    What sort of "... earth shattering revelations ..." could there be about such a person?
    That there's something he has some talent in?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Nigelb said:

    This is pretty well horseshit, and it’s pretty poor that he hasn’t postponed the debate for a week.
    https://twitter.com/V2019N/status/1312480672649416704

    Quite astonishing bullshit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    OnboardG1 said:

    Sending students back into halls is still one of the dumbest things the government (of all the nations) has done.
    Has Sweden opened its universities yet?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,366

    The only way to know what is happening is to run and infection survey. Fortunately, the ONS is doing exactly that. The latest data for infections per day looks like this -

    I'm sure I read that the ONS survey was aiming to collect something like seven times as many samples, but I've read nothing about them doing more frequent releases or regional breakdowns. I assume the JBC is doing such analyses but is there anything public?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Scott_xP said:
    Ah yes. The most trustworthy man in the US. Mitch McCon... no can't finish that with a straight face.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728
    Unfortunately, it’s impossible to get an appointment until 2021...

    https://twitter.com/JOR_ID/status/1311964322227257344
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    OnboardG1 said:

    Sending students back into halls is still one of the dumbest things the government (of all the nations) has done.
    Depends how you look at it. 1000s of young people will get mild or no symptoms and basically go through freshers flu month. Stop them going home before Xmas though. They will have to do their own washing this term.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Tom Bowyer wrote a book on Corbyn, has anyone read it?

    Next in the series, SKS?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Has Sweden opened its universities yet?
    Yes, but I don't know about halls of residence. University websites are bad at the best of times.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    I don’t see why this is necessarily a “problem”. It’s only a problem if you see number of cases as somehow the crucial number, as opposed to actual negative health outcomes. If any thing, every student in the country getting it in the next month whilst largely on campus and isolated from the majority of the “at risk” population would be a massive bonus.

    All this is doing is adding an enormous number of “non dangerous” cases to the overall figures.
  • HYUFD said:

    twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1312485167416582144?s=20

    I believed somebody on here called it, that they will in the end pick somebody still of a particular leaning but less extreme after shifting the overton window.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    alex_ said:


    I don’t see why this is necessarily a “problem”. It’s only a problem if you see number of cases as somehow the crucial number, as opposed to actual negative health outcomes. If any thing, every student in the country getting it in the next month whilst largely on campus and isolated from the majority of the “at risk” population would be a massive bonus.

    All this is doing is adding an enormous number of “non dangerous” cases to the overall figures.
    Only if you consider death to be the only relevant healthcare outcome. There are plenty of students with pre-existing conditions and others who will end up with Long Covid. Plus those who are asymptomatic and spread it into the community. It's definitely a problem.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    In general it is known that Covid spreads rapidly through populations in poor closely spaced housing conditions. Well that describes students to a tee, however responsible they may have been. it is not something to “blame” them for.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,728
    Alistair said:

    Quite astonishing bullshit.
    https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1312465558357458944
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480
    dr_spyn said:

    Tom Bowyer wrote a book on Corbyn, has anyone read it?

    Next in the series, SKS?

    A book on Corbyn eh? To buy you say! I think that it's a firm no.

    Even a free book on Corbyn might require dusting and shelf space. There is a better use of paper.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited October 2020

    Depends how you look at it. 1000s of young people will get mild or no symptoms and basically go through freshers flu month. Stop them going home before Xmas though. They will have to do their own washing this term.
    Yes but. I go into Newcastle city centre and there are huge numbers of students everywhere.
    And huge numbers of non-students too.
    Who then disperse to all parts of the NE.
    Many students live all over the City.
    Not every Uni is a self-contained Campus.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Anyone going to post the Vallance/Whitty graph against actuals by specimen date ?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited October 2020
    dixiedean said:

    So. Can someone catch me up on today's data?
    Why was it late? Why the excess catch up cases? Does this mean the level off of last week was a myth? Is there objective truth, and if so, how could we be sure we have ascertained it?

    England saw cases double every ten days or so during September, as did the other UK nations. Remarkably this increase stopped this week, only in England while other nations continued to grow exponentially. It's probable that the exponential increase also happened in England but for some reason wasn't reported.

    It was strange that R was above 1 but cases weren't going up.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Omnium said:

    A book on Corbyn eh? To buy you say! I think that it's a firm no.

    Even a free book on Corbyn might require dusting and shelf space. There is a better use of paper.

    The next Tom Bower book is on Boris
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    HYUFD said:
    Lord Dacre to the Beeb rather than OFCOM? :D
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Alistair said:

    Quite astonishing bullshit.
    Next patient please....
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone going to post the Vallance/Whitty graph against actuals by specimen date ?

    No, no, post it by reported date.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Fuck me 12.2% of all eligible Wisconsin voters have voted already.

    33.8% of all eligible voters have requested an absentee ballot.
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