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Woke-ism is a minority supportSupport for footballers "taking the knee"? 37%Support for removal of statues linked to slavery? 27%BLM protests shd have gone ahead during crisis? 21%Support protestors damaging/removing statues? 13%YouGov July 16
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So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
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Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.0 -
I admit I’m not totally Eady about all their verdicts.Gallowgate said:0 -
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/25/boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-shake-treasury-silicon-valley-approach/
Also Matthew Goodwin is an embarrassment on Twitter. He posts with an agenda but pretends it is academic0 -
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.
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I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?1
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Go woke, go broke.0
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For example when OGH puts out tweets based on unweighted subsamples.3
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RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.1 -
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
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He claims to post academic stuff but he's just got an agenda as many other posters do.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
That's not to say some of his suggestions aren't correct, he's done some good videos on where the Labour vote went.
Unfortunately his solution is for Labour to out-culture the Tories which most people know is impossible and so I get the sense it's a suggestion made in bad faith. It also completely neglects the fact that Blair won three elections being fairly "woke"/liberal for the time.
I think it's far more about messaging and picking the battles, than just culture culture culture0 -
They still need to do some work on their silky smooth assassinations of traitors, mind.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.0 -
Macron is a liberal, Le Pen is the leading French nationalistEPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
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So that's why he was forced to eat pages from his book?Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wugu-2SmHJg0 -
@ OGH As my financial accounting prof at business school had us all chant 10 times at the beginning of each class - where's the cash, read the notes.
It worked, I still remember ...0 -
Not sure to be honest.Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
He suggested Labour out-culture the Tories.
Blair was far more astute, he said don't have the battles.
I think Blair has a lot more to say about why Labour keeps losing than Goodwin does.0 -
There's nothing wrong with Goodwin pushing an agenda, he can do what he likes.
I just fear people on the right can't see it because he supports their views, he just "seems" to be a leftie0 -
I don't think Corbyn, far from a middle class Eurofederalist, is part of his macro-narrative.Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
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I was having this same debate with a friend linked to British intelligence.Theuniondivvie said:
They still need to do some work on their silky smooth assassinations of traitors, mind.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.
His theory is that the Russians and Chinese are working as a tag team. The Chinese are doing the massive industrial espionage, stealing western secrets, because they have the money and scale; the Russians are doing the social media sabotage, destroying western self confidence, and roiling our politics, because they are good at THAT, as they know the cultural faultlines to attack.
Perhaps they should both subcontract the assassinations to North Korea.0 -
My view is that if woke Labour can poll 32% and 40% with less economic radicalism, there's no reason why better messaging + competence can't poll 43% as Blair achieved.0
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I love this quantum state we exist in where the Left are useless wasters who perpetually lose elections and should be roundly mocked for this yet simultaneously an all powerful mob who completely control society from top to bottom with their mighty Cancel Culture which the Centre and Right cower in fear from.Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
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I don't know if you have read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold but it has a brilliant double bluff by MI6 to protect an Asset in East Germany. Applied here by the Russians it would mean that Carole is their Asset. No doubt the Security Services - no fools and having inspired Le Carre's book - are working on that assumption. But perhaps more likely, given advances in deviousness since 1963 and what we know of Putin's convoluted mind, is that it's a TRIPLE bluff and the Russian Asset is indeed Muscles Johnson. In which case, hats off to Vlad, that would be some truly world-beating spookery.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
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Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.0 -
On footballers, it will interesting to see what happens in the Champions League and Europa League. Keir Radnedge made the point in World Soccer magazine that ordinarily political messaging is not tolerated by the football authorities. The poppy shirts are quite controversial and Ireland got into trouble for marking the centenary of the Easter Rising on their shirts.0
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Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "0 -
it is quite clear to me that Goodwin is on the right, just as, say, Jolyon Maugham is a fox bashing Remainer, and Caitlin Moran is a feminist lefty.CorrectHorseBattery said:There's nothing wrong with Goodwin pushing an agenda, he can do what he likes.
I just fear people on the right can't see it because he supports their views, he just "seems" to be a leftie
Despite their obvious bias, they all say interesting and observant things, from time to time.0 -
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.0 -
Spurious argument to make that regions of Spain are better than the UK as a whole. I am sure there are regions of the UK that are as good as the best regions in Spain - parts of Devon spring to mind.nichomar said:Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "1 -
Read a fair bit of le Carré in my time, but not TSWCIFTC; probably thought foolishly that seeing the very decent film was enough.kinabalu said:
I don't know if you have read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold but it has a brilliant double bluff by MI6 to protect an Asset in East Germany. Applied here by the Russians it would mean that Carole is their Asset. No doubt the Security Services - no fools and having inspired Le Carre's book - are working on that assumption. But perhaps more likely, given advances in deviousness since 1963 and what we know of Putin's convoluted mind, is that it's a TRIPLE bluff and the Russian Asset is indeed Muscles Johnson. In which case, hats off to Vlad, that would be some truly world-beating spookery.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
A time when spies (for better or worse) were motivated by ideals/ideology seems strangely quaint nowadays.0 -
So did Tony Blair really say advocate the entire population being tested once a week for COVI-19, or was he making some sort of point about what would be necessary in a hypothetical and ideal world?0
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Entire nations in the UK - Northern Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall - are better than Spain.TimT said:
Spurious argument to make that regions of Spain are better than the UK as a whole. I am sure there are regions of the UK that are as good as the best regions in Spain - parts of Devon spring to mind.nichomar said:Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "
And Spain has a properly nasty second wave. 2,250 new cases in a day
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559135/Spain-records-2-255-Covid-cases-24-hours-number-infections-319-501.html0 -
Buy them Vitality private health insurance....Gallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.0 -
Shame there's no money for trolling users of VK in cyrillic script.LadyG said:
I was having this same debate with a friend linked to British intelligence.Theuniondivvie said:
They still need to do some work on their silky smooth assassinations of traitors, mind.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.
His theory is that the Russians and Chinese are working as a tag team. The Chinese are doing the massive industrial espionage, stealing western secrets, because they have the money and scale; the Russians are doing the social media sabotage, destroying western self confidence, and roiling our politics, because they are good at THAT, as they know the cultural faultlines to attack.
Perhaps they should both subcontract the assassinations to North Korea.0 -
I don't think Blair was woke/liberal (a phrase that didn't exist then) he was more populist/liberal.CorrectHorseBattery said:
He claims to post academic stuff but he's just got an agenda as many other posters do.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
That's not to say some of his suggestions aren't correct, he's done some good videos on where the Labour vote went.
Unfortunately his solution is for Labour to out-culture the Tories which most people know is impossible and so I get the sense it's a suggestion made in bad faith. It also completely neglects the fact that Blair won three elections being fairly "woke"/liberal for the time.
I think it's far more about messaging and picking the battles, than just culture culture culture
He wrapped himself in the flag "Cool Britannia" and made rather populist liberalisations. Which is why gay marriage was still illegal when he left office and it took Cameron to legalise it.1 -
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.0 -
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.0 -
The film is remarkably close to the book.Theuniondivvie said:
Read a fair bit of le Carré in my time, but not TSWCIFTC; probably thought foolishly that seeing the very decent film was enough.kinabalu said:
I don't know if you have read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold but it has a brilliant double bluff by MI6 to protect an Asset in East Germany. Applied here by the Russians it would mean that Carole is their Asset. No doubt the Security Services - no fools and having inspired Le Carre's book - are working on that assumption. But perhaps more likely, given advances in deviousness since 1963 and what we know of Putin's convoluted mind, is that it's a TRIPLE bluff and the Russian Asset is indeed Muscles Johnson. In which case, hats off to Vlad, that would be some truly world-beating spookery.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
A time when spies (for better or worse) were motivated by ideals/ideology seems strangely quaint nowadays.0 -
It's probably "brushing". Part of a scam to boost online ratings in China.LadyG said:Now they are coming for our ecosystems
https://twitter.com/WSDAgov/status/1286793892713570304?s=20
https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/11/27/americans-are-receiving-unordered-parcels-from-chinese-e-criminals-and-cant-do-anything-about-it/1 -
Could be this, sometimes the packages are completely empty:LadyG said:Now they are coming for our ecosystems
https://twitter.com/WSDAgov/status/1286793892713570304?s=20
"A seller acquires the actually name and address of a real e-commerce user and creates a fake account for them on the platform they’re selling on. They then make what appears to be an order of their product from the victim’s fake account, ship out a package that is either empty or contains a low-value, light weight item, and then, after the delivery has been confirmed, leaves a 5-star review to boost their rankings and attract more sales. To the platform and other users, these faux reviews appear to be from legitimate and verified sales. Beyond the benefit of favorable reviews, simply having additional sales is often enough to raise a product in the rankings of some e-commerce sites, such as Amazon."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2019/10/25/americans-are-still-receiving-unordered-packages-from-asian-e-criminals/0 -
This is why on here I seek to dampen rather than stimulate "culture war" debate.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.
It's important not to collaborate - even in the teeniest way - with Putin's Russia.0 -
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.0 -
How do the areas with infections in Spain compare with the areas which had infections in the Spring ?LadyG said:
Entire nations in the UK - Northern Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall - are better than Spain.TimT said:
Spurious argument to make that regions of Spain are better than the UK as a whole. I am sure there are regions of the UK that are as good as the best regions in Spain - parts of Devon spring to mind.nichomar said:Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "
And Spain has a properly nasty second wave. 2,250 new cases in a day
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559135/Spain-records-2-255-Covid-cases-24-hours-number-infections-319-501.html
Are some places getting effectively their first wave ?0 -
Goodwin noticed before most that the academic world is mostly now full of virtue signallers on the left and that meant there was a niche area in the media for an academic to fill on the populist right.
If he was authentically populist right wing the BBC would not be inviting him onto their tv or radio programmes .
Note the way that Katie Hopkins has now joined Tommy Robinson in being completely no-platformed from the mainstream media and note how few of the usual respectable 'right wing voices 'the BBC/SKY etc invite onto their shows are prepared to question why are the voices of Hopkins,Robinson etc no-platformed?
The Spiked/Unherd/Spectator etc voices probably know they would not be invited back by MSM to appear on their shows if they did or like Godwin they have spotted a niche area in the MSM to fill.0 -
No, you don't try to dampen, you try to impose a soft Woke consensus which we must all obey. You're just another footsoldier for Putin, without even realising.kinabalu said:
This is why on here I seek to dampen rather than stimulate "culture war" debate.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.
It's important not to collaborate - even in the teeniest way - with Putin's Russia.
As am I, of course.0 -
Interesting that the baseball season has started this weekend with the players doing the same, barring the odd exception that has been shrugged off. Culture wars are beginning to lose their venom. Taking the knee will become routine.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.0 -
Balanced, I like it. And I agree.LadyG said:
it is quite clear to me that Goodwin is on the right, just as, say, Jolyon Maugham is a fox bashing Remainer, and Caitlin Moran is a feminist lefty.CorrectHorseBattery said:There's nothing wrong with Goodwin pushing an agenda, he can do what he likes.
I just fear people on the right can't see it because he supports their views, he just "seems" to be a leftie
Despite their obvious bias, they all say interesting and observant things, from time to time.0 -
I don't know all the deets but I think Catalunya, esp Barca, is definitely getting a second wave. But there are Spain-based PBers who will know betteranother_richard said:
How do the areas with infections in Spain compare with the areas which had infections in the Spring ?LadyG said:
Entire nations in the UK - Northern Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall - are better than Spain.TimT said:
Spurious argument to make that regions of Spain are better than the UK as a whole. I am sure there are regions of the UK that are as good as the best regions in Spain - parts of Devon spring to mind.nichomar said:Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "
And Spain has a properly nasty second wave. 2,250 new cases in a day
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559135/Spain-records-2-255-Covid-cases-24-hours-number-infections-319-501.html
Are some places getting effectively their first wave ?0 -
The film is very good. Burton perfect for the role and not over-acting. Book is excellent and can be consumed in a day. But if you know the twist, and given how many great books there are, maybe not too terrible a miss at this point.Theuniondivvie said:
Read a fair bit of le Carré in my time, but not TSWCIFTC; probably thought foolishly that seeing the very decent film was enough.kinabalu said:
I don't know if you have read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold but it has a brilliant double bluff by MI6 to protect an Asset in East Germany. Applied here by the Russians it would mean that Carole is their Asset. No doubt the Security Services - no fools and having inspired Le Carre's book - are working on that assumption. But perhaps more likely, given advances in deviousness since 1963 and what we know of Putin's convoluted mind, is that it's a TRIPLE bluff and the Russian Asset is indeed Muscles Johnson. In which case, hats off to Vlad, that would be some truly world-beating spookery.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
A time when spies (for better or worse) were motivated by ideals/ideology seems strangely quaint nowadays.0 -
Not sure that will happen in the UK, our situation is different. Eventually it will just become boring, and they will do it once a month, or once a season. Then never.Tres said:
Interesting that the baseball season has started this weekend with the players doing the same, barring the odd exception that has been shrugged off. Culture wars are beginning to lose their venom. Taking the knee will become routine.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.
Note how the NHS clapping faded away, and when they tried to revive it, the attempt was a very damp squib.
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Cricket going very slow considering the weather forecast.
Stokes should be promoted to Number 3 for this innings and Broad at 4 both with instructions to swing the bat.0 -
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.1 -
Hopkins is not right wing, she is far right.Metatron said:Goodwin noticed before most that the academic world is mostly now full of virtue signallers on the left and that meant there was a niche area in the media for an academic to fill on the populist right.
If he was authentically populist right wing the BBC would not be inviting him onto their tv or radio programmes .
Note the way that Katie Hopkins has now joined Tommy Robinson in being completely no-platformed from the mainstream media and note how few of the usual respectable 'right wing voices 'the BBC/SKY etc invite onto their shows are prepared to question why are the voices of Hopkins,Robinson etc no-platformed?
The Spiked/Unherd/Spectator etc voices probably know they would not be invited back by MSM to appear on their shows if they did or like Godwin they have spotted a niche area in the MSM to fill.1 -
One of my favourite conspiracy theories was how the russians couldn't have been behind the Skripal attack because it was not successful, since apparently it'd be impossible for the russians to cock up. My dad still uses that one, though thankfully no longer talks about the 'convenient' nearness of Porton Down or disbelieves that May visited Salisbury afterwards and therefore the BBC edited footage.Theuniondivvie said:
They still need to do some work on their silky smooth assassinations of traitors, mind.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.0 -
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.2 -
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Motogp riders haven't been doing anything BLM related, as far as I am aware.0
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Calling people “fat slobs” is not a way to motivate someone to be healthier.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
There’s a culture in the NHS, and in many other jobs, of everyone bringing in cake, chocolate, sweets all the time to eat at lunch time etc. That’s on top of the difficulty of making healthy choices when you’re exhausted - something thats exacerbated by unhealthiness.
Just because you manage to make “health choices” doesn’t mean someone else is weak or lazy because they don’t.0 -
How would you define "full racial equality"?Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.0 -
Seems reasonable. Seems to be that while objectivity is the goal we're all human and and so in practical terms the goal is not to necessarily hide your own political leanings, it is to be as objective as possible despite them when presenting a particular argument. I suspect like a lot of people Goodwin is better at doing that beyond twitter than on it.LadyG said:
it is quite clear to me that Goodwin is on the right, just as, say, Jolyon Maugham is a fox bashing Remainer, and Caitlin Moran is a feminist lefty.CorrectHorseBattery said:There's nothing wrong with Goodwin pushing an agenda, he can do what he likes.
I just fear people on the right can't see it because he supports their views, he just "seems" to be a leftie
Despite their obvious bias, they all say interesting and observant things, from time to time.0 -
Well for starters no more monkey chants or other racism in football stadia.LadyG said:
How would you define "full racial equality"?Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.0 -
How very dare you? Test Cricket has all speeds - slow, calm, magisterial, dogged, patient, gritty, leisurely, measured, steady, gentle, and sedate.Pagan2 said:1 -
QTWAIN.Pagan2 said:0 -
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.0 -
I know AndyJS has in the past suggested height shaming is another one.Tres said:
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.1 -
It really is. Low key, seedily atmospheric, killer twist. I have no clue what the intelligence game is truly like but it felt authentic. Made me think, "Yeah, bet that's pretty much how it is." Not a jet pack or an Aston Martin in sight. Not even any getting busy with attractive enigmatic females.Malmesbury said:
The film is remarkably close to the book.Theuniondivvie said:
Read a fair bit of le Carré in my time, but not TSWCIFTC; probably thought foolishly that seeing the very decent film was enough.kinabalu said:
I don't know if you have read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold but it has a brilliant double bluff by MI6 to protect an Asset in East Germany. Applied here by the Russians it would mean that Carole is their Asset. No doubt the Security Services - no fools and having inspired Le Carre's book - are working on that assumption. But perhaps more likely, given advances in deviousness since 1963 and what we know of Putin's convoluted mind, is that it's a TRIPLE bluff and the Russian Asset is indeed Muscles Johnson. In which case, hats off to Vlad, that would be some truly world-beating spookery.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
A time when spies (for better or worse) were motivated by ideals/ideology seems strangely quaint nowadays.0 -
Idiot shaming seems to be tolerated.Tres said:
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.0 -
People can't control their height. Most people can control their weight.kle4 said:
I know AndyJS has in the past suggested height shaming is another one.Tres said:
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.0 -
I don’t really agree with “fat-positivity” in a sense that I think people should be encouraged to be healthy, not accept unhealthiness as “ok”.Tres said:
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
However, that doesn’t mean people should be treated with contempt or be bullied because of it.0 -
Goodwin is good off Twitter but that Twitter thread is an embarrassment and does him no favourskle4 said:
Seems reasonable. Seems to be that while objectivity is the goal we're all human and and so in practical terms the goal is not to necessarily hide your own political leanings, it is to be as objective as possible despite them when presenting a particular argument. I suspect like a lot of people Goodwin is better at doing that beyond twitter than on it.LadyG said:
it is quite clear to me that Goodwin is on the right, just as, say, Jolyon Maugham is a fox bashing Remainer, and Caitlin Moran is a feminist lefty.CorrectHorseBattery said:There's nothing wrong with Goodwin pushing an agenda, he can do what he likes.
I just fear people on the right can't see it because he supports their views, he just "seems" to be a leftie
Despite their obvious bias, they all say interesting and observant things, from time to time.0 -
It's a fair point, although I'd not be surprised if there are voices on the left who lament that in societal terms things they regard as part of 'their' agenda have made great progress in recent decades, yet they struggle to succeed electorally despite that.Alistair said:
I love this quantum state we exist in where the Left are useless wasters who perpetually lose elections and should be roundly mocked for this yet simultaneously an all powerful mob who completely control society from top to bottom with their mighty Cancel Culture which the Centre and Right cower in fear from.Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
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That crap was almost completely cleared from British football many years ago. Thankfully. You still get the odd idiot who might hiss at Spurs, but it is a tiny minority.Philip_Thompson said:
Well for starters no more monkey chants or other racism in football stadia.LadyG said:
How would you define "full racial equality"?Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.
If that is your metric then I'd say it is job done.0 -
If they want to I have no objection, but depending on rate of progress does that not risk it becoming a trite, meaningless gesture over time? If in 2 years there's a burst of intensity as not enough is being done do they add something further to taking a knee?Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.
Gestures are not meaningless much of the time, but they can become meaningless.0 -
It comes down to choice, you are responsible for the choices you make no one else.Gallowgate said:
Calling people “fat slobs” is not a way to motivate someone to be healthier.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
There’s a culture in the NHS, and in many other jobs, of everyone bringing in cake, chocolate, sweets all the time to eat at lunch time etc. That’s on top of the difficulty of making healthy choices when you’re exhausted - something thats exacerbated by unhealthiness.
Just because you manage to make “health choices” doesn’t mean someone else is weak or lazy because they don’t.
If you choose to stuff your maw with unhealthy stuff that is entirely down to you. You made a conscious choice to eat it so who else is it you think is to blame.
Now I put my hand up and say I probably drink more than I should mainly down to stress....however I could find other ways of stress relief that pouring a glass of whiskey and the reason I don't is because its the easy way out to just pour a glass of the amber fluid and savour it . In other words the other methods of stress relief are too much effort and I am lazy.
Letting people think they have excuses for personal choices robs them of agency, I eat unhealthily/drink too much/smoke too much etc.....but its not really my fault because work/commute/kids tire me out so you can't blame me. That let off allows them to continue the unhealthy behaviour with a clear conscience.2 -
It's actually very easy and cheap to eat badly as well. It's not just "takeaways", it's the high salt and sugar intake many have.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOL
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
One thing that irritates me is watching Ramsay, Oliver and the other "celeb" chefs smother food with salt and pepper as though it were the only thing food ever needed.
Cheap food doesn't have to be bad food but it often is - supermarket meat is full of water and tasteless but for many that's the only option they have. The supermarkets killed the local butcher, fishmonger and greengrocer and we now pay the price in terms of health issues.
I was brought up on Farley's Rusks (anyone remember them?). That's why I had and still have a sweet tooth. Chocolate is another problem - it should be classed as a soft drug (it is addictive). We consume 7.6 kilograms (17 lbs) per person per year.
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Fair point - but remember Goodwin is a University man. He's probably surrounded by students who think everyone's woke.
The football thing is getting absurd. I cannot see why game after game the players should be kneeling in this fashion - there are so many other causes/injustices around the world that deserve attention and not all of them involve white people.0 -
Agree - the big mistake for which you can blame both countries pretty much equally is too much 'relaxation' too quickly. for entirely laudable reasons to get economies moving. but with equally predictable results. I also would add that it's difficult to be too sympathetic to any individuals who decided a foreign holiday was essential so soon after all the problems. Not a risk I would have considered.TimT said:
Spurious argument to make that regions of Spain are better than the UK as a whole. I am sure there are regions of the UK that are as good as the best regions in Spain - parts of Devon spring to mind.nichomar said:Knives out for Catalonia
The president of the Diputación and Tourism Costa del Sol, Francisco Salado, has considered "unfair" and "a hard blow" the quarantine imposed by the United Kingdom on tourists traveling from Spain. Salado has said that searches and bookings for British tourists have been improving and growing a lot in recent weeks and this new quarantine returns them to the "exit box". "The data and figures on the evolution of the disease in Malaga, Andalusia and many other territories in our country are reasonably good and better than in the United Kingdom itself," he emphasized. For the sector, it is "a tremendous injustice" that all pay for "the lousy health and pandemic prevention management of an autonomous autonomous government that has not done its homework," whose officials "spend the day talking about self-determination and self-government. but then they are not able to manage their competences or work to stop the spread of the disease. "0 -
I think if you want to make unhealthy choices then that's up to you.
And I don't think we should glamourise unhealthy lifestyles.
But being size 0 isn't the definition of healthy, people are naturally bigger than others.
I don't think telling people they're fat slobs is helpful at all. It won't help them lose weight or get the help they need (if they need help, perhaps they don't want it and that's their choice).0 -
Fun clip. A specific and highly precise prediction for a single general election being incorrect would not in itself invalidate a broad hypothesis of a general trend of course.TheScreamingEagles said:
So that's why he was forced to eat pages from his book?Andy_JS said:
He's not pushing a conservative agenda, he's doing his best to educate the left on why they keep losing elections.EPG said:I always feel Matthew Goodwin is pushing a conservative agenda,.not least based on whom he chose to cover in his book about nationalism - why exclude Macron unless the concept is about repackaging conservatism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wugu-2SmHJg
I thought Labour would do a lot better than they did in 2019, but that doesn't mean everything I say now is nonsense, just most of it.1 -
BiB - That is completely untrue where I live. Sainsbury's does a roaring trade, but so do the local butchers and greengrocers. It's not an either/or.stodge said:
It's actually very easy and cheap to eat badly as well. It's not just "takeaways", it's the high salt and sugar intake many have.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOL
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
One thing that irritates me is watching Ramsay, Oliver and the other "celeb" chefs smother food with salt and pepper as though it were the only thing food ever needed.
Cheap food doesn't have to be bad food but it often is - supermarket meat is full of water and tasteless but for many that's the only option they have. The supermarkets killed the local butcher, fishmonger and greengrocer and we now pay the price in terms of health issues.
I was brought up on Farley's Rusks (anyone remember them?). That's why I had and still have a sweet tooth. Chocolate is another problem - it should be classed as a soft drug (it is addictive). We consume 7.6 kilograms (17 lbs) per person per year.0 -
Lady G, I wonder if they see it as cyber Maskirovka.0
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Yes. Fat shaming is wrong - ie verbally abusing people for being blobs - however there MUST be some sense of personal responsibility and social tutting.Pagan2 said:
It comes down to choice, you are responsible for the choices you make no one else.Gallowgate said:
Calling people “fat slobs” is not a way to motivate someone to be healthier.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
There’s a culture in the NHS, and in many other jobs, of everyone bringing in cake, chocolate, sweets all the time to eat at lunch time etc. That’s on top of the difficulty of making healthy choices when you’re exhausted - something thats exacerbated by unhealthiness.
Just because you manage to make “health choices” doesn’t mean someone else is weak or lazy because they don’t.
If you choose to stuff your maw with unhealthy stuff that is entirely down to you. You made a conscious choice to eat it so who else is it you think is to blame.
Now I put my hand up and say I probably drink more than I should mainly down to stress....however I could find other ways of stress relief that pouring a glass of whiskey and the reason I don't is because its the easy way out to just pour a glass of the amber fluid and savour it . In other words the other methods of stress relief are too much effort and I am lazy.
Letting people think they have excuses for personal choices robs them of agency, I eat unhealthily/drink too much/smoke too much etc.....but its not really my fault because work/commute/kids tire me out so you can't blame me. That let off allows them to continue the unhealthy behaviour with a clear conscience.
People take heroin out of stress, they kick the dog because of stress, they guzzle too much wine out of stress (me), they eat seventeen KFC buckets a day out of stress. All of these should earn an element of social disapproval, in various forms.
We did it for drink driving, and we are now doing it for smoking.0 -
I don't see why people are objecting to what Goodwin said, it is objectively true.
There is a difference between saying something is a minority concern . . . and suggesting it is unpopular. A lot of people are acting like Goodwin was saying the latter, but he's not and never did.0 -
I think even in Soviet days there was a taste for making retribution messily public pour encourager les autres. However on those bleak terms, allowing the target(s) to survive while killing a totally innocent civilian is a fail.kle4 said:
One of my favourite conspiracy theories was how the russians couldn't have been behind the Skripal attack because it was not successful, since apparently it'd be impossible for the russians to cock up. My dad still uses that one, though thankfully no longer talks about the 'convenient' nearness of Porton Down or disbelieves that May visited Salisbury afterwards and therefore the BBC edited footage.Theuniondivvie said:
They still need to do some work on their silky smooth assassinations of traitors, mind.LadyG said:
RT's Twitter account is surprisingly deft, perceptive and sometimes funny. They really know how to skewer enemies, too.Theuniondivvie said:Hall of Mirrors time.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1287373531119067141?s=20
The Russians have got trolling and botting down to an art-form, they hijack every argument on social media to their benefit: ie they make the debate as divisive in the West as possible.0 -
It has crossed my mind that there is an outside possibility that Mesut Ozil's absence is connected to BLM. It would be understandable if he was a bit miffed given the ticking off he received for talking about the plight of the Uighurs.FrankBooth said:Fair point - but remember Goodwin is a University man. He's probably surrounded by students who think everyone's woke.
The football thing is getting absurd. I cannot see why game after game the players should be kneeling in this fashion - there are so many other causes/injustices around the world that deserve attention and not all of them involve white people.0 -
I do think we send out very conflicting messages on weight and body shaming and the like. I think public messaging on eating better and doing more exercise is actually very strong, and ultimately it is down to individuals to do more for themselves and government having yet more awareness campaigns or banning advertising would have limited additional effect. But despite being so strong on the need to be healthy and the health industry being so huge, we also don't want to put so much on individuals to change their own behaviours, which in most cases will be the major factor. I'm not rich now but I used to be a lot poorer (albeit not four yorkshireman poor) and was a lot skinnir then, it isn't inevitable that poor people will be porky.Andy_JS said:
People can't control their height. Most people can control their weight.kle4 said:
I know AndyJS has in the past suggested height shaming is another one.Tres said:
Fat shaming is one of the last hold-outs of acceptable everyday bigotry.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.0 -
I certainly was not advocating fat shaming, however I do think statements likeLadyG said:
Yes. Fat shaming is wrong - ie verbally abusing people for being blobs - however there MUST be some sense of personal responsibility and social tutting.Pagan2 said:
It comes down to choice, you are responsible for the choices you make no one else.Gallowgate said:
Calling people “fat slobs” is not a way to motivate someone to be healthier.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
There’s a culture in the NHS, and in many other jobs, of everyone bringing in cake, chocolate, sweets all the time to eat at lunch time etc. That’s on top of the difficulty of making healthy choices when you’re exhausted - something thats exacerbated by unhealthiness.
Just because you manage to make “health choices” doesn’t mean someone else is weak or lazy because they don’t.
If you choose to stuff your maw with unhealthy stuff that is entirely down to you. You made a conscious choice to eat it so who else is it you think is to blame.
Now I put my hand up and say I probably drink more than I should mainly down to stress....however I could find other ways of stress relief that pouring a glass of whiskey and the reason I don't is because its the easy way out to just pour a glass of the amber fluid and savour it . In other words the other methods of stress relief are too much effort and I am lazy.
Letting people think they have excuses for personal choices robs them of agency, I eat unhealthily/drink too much/smoke too much etc.....but its not really my fault because work/commute/kids tire me out so you can't blame me. That let off allows them to continue the unhealthy behaviour with a clear conscience.
People take heroin out of stress, they kick the dog because of stress, they guzzle too much wine out of stress (me), they eat seventeen KFC buckets a day out of stress. All of these should earn an element of social disapproval, in various forms.
We did it for drink driving, and we are now doing it for smoking.
"How do you expect them to go home and cook when they are exhausted after a 12 hour shift" are not helpful and very much handing them an excuse. It says "hey it's not your fault really....if you didn't work those hours you would eat healthily". When in truth you could reduce their hours to two a week with no loss of pay and they would still eat the same0 -
Not much to see here. MG is making the point that a top woke issue can't even scrape up a bare majority - see his headline - and the figures support this. He selects some that emphasise his point. He is tweeting, not writing a peer reviewed paper for 'The Journal of Wokish Studies'.
The fact that only 42% support the anodyne question about generalised support for blm protests suggests that MG is onto something interesting.1 -
Possibly but then it also makes me think of what's often said about politicians trotting out the same lines again eg "get Brexit done" or "long term economic plan" . . . by the time you're getting fed up with it, people are beginning to notice it and take it in.kle4 said:
If they want to I have no objection, but depending on rate of progress does that not risk it becoming a trite, meaningless gesture over time? If in 2 years there's a burst of intensity as not enough is being done do they add something further to taking a knee?Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like a good idea.Alphabet_Soup said:
Will footballers and cricketers continue to take the knee before every match until full racial equality has been achieved?LadyG said:
And that, I suspect, is a lot of people unprepared to give their true opinion, which is therefore unlikely to be positive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is 26% due to rounding and it is 'Neither support nor oppose.'MattW said:First.
So 42% support.
28% oppose.
5% don't know.
What happened to the other 25% ?
That's rather a large hole.
The fact that 30% do not think the protests should have happened NOW, and 38% actually think they should NEVER happen, suggests a large reservoir of quiet disapproval.
Gestures are not meaningless much of the time, but they can become meaningless.0 -
Football relies heavily on black talent so the issue is particularly resonant.FrankBooth said:Fair point - but remember Goodwin is a University man. He's probably surrounded by students who think everyone's woke.
The football thing is getting absurd. I cannot see why game after game the players should be kneeling in this fashion - there are so many other causes/injustices around the world that deserve attention and not all of them involve white people.0 -
Regardless of the rights & wrongs of BLM, only one black employee out of 1500 seems striking.tlg86 said:
"‘Dorna haven’t done enough’ says MotoGP’s only Black paddock member"
https://tinyurl.com/y66nwe8n0 -
If you want to make unhealthy choices that is up to you, to a certain extent, BUT because we have a universal health system, we all have to pay for you, if you are obese and just keep eating, and therefore get diabetes etc. So British society (and other welfare states) can justifiably say "NO, put down the extra pies, please".CorrectHorseBattery said:I think if you want to make unhealthy choices then that's up to you.
And I don't think we should glamourise unhealthy lifestyles.
But being size 0 isn't the definition of healthy, people are naturally bigger than others.
I don't think telling people they're fat slobs is helpful at all. It won't help them lose weight or get the help they need (if they need help, perhaps they don't want it and that's their choice).
I suggest warnings on food, as with tobacco, and maybe a small tax on junk food, and sugary drinks. It goes against my libertarian instincts but it is clear obesity is now a major threat.
Incidentally I wondered, some time ago, if obesity might prove to be a clinching factor in covid death rates. I might have been on to something.
"Obesity can increase risk of coronavirus death by up to 90%, PHE report finds"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/obesity-overweight-coronavirus-risks-increase-death-a4508281.html
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You should learn to read. I did not say “how do you expect them..”. I just mentioned a contributing factor. That it’s not surprising.Pagan2 said:
I certainly was not advocating fat shaming, however I do think statements likeLadyG said:
Yes. Fat shaming is wrong - ie verbally abusing people for being blobs - however there MUST be some sense of personal responsibility and social tutting.Pagan2 said:
It comes down to choice, you are responsible for the choices you make no one else.Gallowgate said:
Calling people “fat slobs” is not a way to motivate someone to be healthier.another_richard said:
Its called taking some responsibility for yourself - most people do it, PB is full of anecdotes about diet and fitness regimes, so why not fat slobs as well.Gallowgate said:
Your lack of empathy is something else.another_richard said:
Poor wages ? LOLGallowgate said:
To be expected when people are working 12 hour shifts on poor wages. Why cook yourself a healthy meal when you get home from your shift when you can eat a kebab from the chippie?another_richard said:Re the government's new obesity drive.
What action will they take against obese NHS workers ?
Over the years I've seen some grossly overweight people in NHS uniforms and thought it was a terrible example to set.
Not to mention that food is much cheaper to buy and cook yourself compared with grotty takeaways.
And what do they do on all their days off ?
Or that some of the fatties I've seen look like they're both cooking at home and going to the grotty takeaways.
It doesn’t matter that food is cheaper to cook yourself. What matters is convenience. I find it difficult to be arsed to cook after coming home from a 9-5, never-mind a 8-8, or longer.
If obesity is such a major health and social problem, and I agree that it is, then the NHS should be setting an example.
I'm not complaining about people who are overweight or drink too many units but those who are grossly obese.
There’s a culture in the NHS, and in many other jobs, of everyone bringing in cake, chocolate, sweets all the time to eat at lunch time etc. That’s on top of the difficulty of making healthy choices when you’re exhausted - something thats exacerbated by unhealthiness.
Just because you manage to make “health choices” doesn’t mean someone else is weak or lazy because they don’t.
If you choose to stuff your maw with unhealthy stuff that is entirely down to you. You made a conscious choice to eat it so who else is it you think is to blame.
Now I put my hand up and say I probably drink more than I should mainly down to stress....however I could find other ways of stress relief that pouring a glass of whiskey and the reason I don't is because its the easy way out to just pour a glass of the amber fluid and savour it . In other words the other methods of stress relief are too much effort and I am lazy.
Letting people think they have excuses for personal choices robs them of agency, I eat unhealthily/drink too much/smoke too much etc.....but its not really my fault because work/commute/kids tire me out so you can't blame me. That let off allows them to continue the unhealthy behaviour with a clear conscience.
People take heroin out of stress, they kick the dog because of stress, they guzzle too much wine out of stress (me), they eat seventeen KFC buckets a day out of stress. All of these should earn an element of social disapproval, in various forms.
We did it for drink driving, and we are now doing it for smoking.
"How do you expect them to go home and cook when they are exhausted after a 12 hour shift" are not helpful and very much handing them an excuse. It says "hey it's not your fault really....if you didn't work those hours you would eat healthily". When in truth you could reduce their hours to two a week with no loss of pay and they would still eat the same
I eat much healthier when I’m on holiday, because I have plenty of time to cook. When i’m busy and stressed, I eat much worse.
I would like to add that I’m fit and healthy and certainly not overweight.0 -
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Football relies heavily on black talent so the issue is particularly resonant.FrankBooth said:Fair point - but remember Goodwin is a University man. He's probably surrounded by students who think everyone's woke.
The football thing is getting absurd. I cannot see why game after game the players should be kneeling in this fashion - there are so many other causes/injustices around the world that deserve attention and not all of them involve white people.0 -
I was about to mention. But then support for BLM doesn't cost anything whereas support for Uyghurs would.tlg86 said:
It has crossed my mind that there is an outside possibility that Mesut Ozil's absence is connected to BLM. It would be understandable if he was a bit miffed given the ticking off he received for talking about the plight of the Uighurs.FrankBooth said:Fair point - but remember Goodwin is a University man. He's probably surrounded by students who think everyone's woke.
The football thing is getting absurd. I cannot see why game after game the players should be kneeling in this fashion - there are so many other causes/injustices around the world that deserve attention and not all of them involve white people.0
