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I agree. But I also think that necessity is the mother of invention and businesses are making a decades worth of efficiency innovations in a few months now.Malmesbury said:
It is going to be terrible.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh absolutely but for all those predicting calamity (of which contrarian certainly is one) I think it is vastly overestimated.DavidL said:
Now there's a hostage to fortune. We are a long, long way from being out of this yet, medically or economically, economically especially.Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.
It will be bad, economically it will get worse before it gets better. But it's not going to be awful.
The question is *how long* the terrible bit will last. If we have an extreme V shape recovery to a level not far from where the economy was...
I rather think we will see an extreme V shape, but not to the level of where the economy was. So, we will end up with a recession, rather than a long depression.
So after the recession I expect we will see rapid growth due to improved efficiency. I'm hopeful the UK will be booming by 2024.1 -
I agree. Because the Common Market itself changed during her premiership. She was phile when it was moderate, phobe when it started to overreach.Philip_Thompson said:
I think it is fair to describe Margaret Thatcher as both a Europhile and a Eurosceptic PM too.1 -
How would that work? Furlough has ameliorated things over the past three months, but what effect could it possibly have on the availability of jobs this coming autumn/winter?Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
Without it even healthy businesses that can reopen now and through winter would have gone bust.IshmaelZ said:
How would that work? Furlough has ameliorated things over the past three months, but what effect could it possibly have on the availability of jobs this coming autumn/winter?Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
Fair enough - though baseball has always seemed to me like cricket, but with an entire dimension removed.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.0 -
whaat? Gotta be hockey.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
And not the limey hockey either.0 -
100%Fishing said:
I agree. Because the Common Market itself changed during her premiership. She was phile when it was moderate, phobe when it started to overreach.Philip_Thompson said:
I think it is fair to describe Margaret Thatcher as both a Europhile and a Eurosceptic PM too.
Pre and post Jacques Delors Europe was very different. As is said when the facts change I change my mind and that is what she did.
I thought until Cameron it'd be possible to negotiate back to some form of Common Market arrangement. Cameron showed that was impossible with his failed negotiations.0 -
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.0 -
On the subject of US sports in there a market on the Washington Football Team’s new name? If so this might be interesting: https://loweringthebar.net/2020/07/whos-trying-to-trademark-every-name.html0
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This is a far better version of a header I was toying with the idea of writing.
8 Big Reasons Election Day 2020 Could Be a Disaster
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/24/2020-election-disaster-perfect-storm-372778
(If you’re interested in US politics, the Politico Magazine section regularly has some good articles.)0 -
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.0 -
No probably not. The significance of a Brexit deal is greatly overestimated too.Gallowgate said:
Doesn’t that depend on the Brexit deal?Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
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Mr. Teacher, the Edmonton Eskimos very recently (few days ago, I think) dropped their name. They're currently known as Edmonton Football Team, I believe, until a permanent alternative is found.0
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On-topic: This seems OK. I don't think Boris has to worry yet.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/likelihood-to-vote-conservative-in-the-next-general-election0 -
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.3 -
I'll probably shock the blog with this but my favourite sport is golf.state_go_away said:
I don't like contrived sports and US sports generally are very contrived (and hyped) . For me the best sports to watch and participate are the purest one - athletics , swimming , boxing ,horse racing etc. Anything with loads of rules bores me (as do rules generally in life) . I like individual sports best .kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.0 -
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.1 -
Speaking only for the leisure business which I help manage, we have just agreed redundancy terms with one of our employees as part of a plan for staff savings as we restructure. Part of the package being that he'll remain on furlough until the end of October when he formally leaves. It's no coincidence that furlough ends at the same date. The government is effectively subsidising the redundancy package through furlough for the next 3 months.IshmaelZ said:
How would that work? Furlough has ameliorated things over the past three months, but what effect could it possibly have on the availability of jobs this coming autumn/winter?Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
And in answer to your question about Stormont. Yes they do get a vote in 4yrs. But as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, it is a fiction to think that something, anything, will come out of that vote that is not the same as the several options we have now.Philip_Thompson said:
No probably not. The significance of a Brexit deal is greatly overestimated too.Gallowgate said:
Doesn’t that depend on the Brexit deal?Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.
Either a border between NI & GB as we have now (and which Boris Johnson said...oh well you know what he said).
Or the entire UK in a customs union with the EU.
The idea that a reject vote will somehow allow the UK to cut free of the EU and have done with it is, I'm afraid to say, exactly what Boris wanted the idiots to think could happen. But it can't.0 -
Lots of people don't change as well. The tory has been forced, time after time, to adopt increasingly progressive positions on the environment, marriage equality, etc. because all their daft old voters keep dying and the next crop don't share the same prejudices. It'll be the same with not being a twat about European integration.felix said:
You assume people's views under 40 remian the same by the time they are 50, 60, etc. History suggests they change.3 -
I wonder if the Braves and the Chiefs will also have to change? I’m not sure those terms are ethnic slurs in the same way as the Washington team name was, but there may be some questions asked.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Teacher, the Edmonton Eskimos very recently (few days ago, I think) dropped their name. They're currently known as Edmonton Football Team, I believe, until a permanent alternative is found.
Are there any UK team names that might be problematic? I know that a few pub names have been changed over the years.0 -
This means that if you get 5 students in a room over there the chances are that one of them supports Donald Trump. Quite an uneasy thought. Especially if there's no way to spot which one it is.HYUFD said:0 -
There are far too many obstacles in the way of a decent recovery, now and in the medium term. Call it COVID, call it lockdown, doesn't matter in effect. And the mask thing maintains the horrible climate of fear, intimidation and acrimony.Philip_Thompson said:
I agree. But I also think that necessity is the mother of invention and businesses are making a decades worth of efficiency innovations in a few months now.Malmesbury said:
It is going to be terrible.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh absolutely but for all those predicting calamity (of which contrarian certainly is one) I think it is vastly overestimated.DavidL said:
Now there's a hostage to fortune. We are a long, long way from being out of this yet, medically or economically, economically especially.Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.
It will be bad, economically it will get worse before it gets better. But it's not going to be awful.
The question is *how long* the terrible bit will last. If we have an extreme V shape recovery to a level not far from where the economy was...
I rather think we will see an extreme V shape, but not to the level of where the economy was. So, we will end up with a recession, rather than a long depression.
So after the recession I expect we will see rapid growth due to improved efficiency. I'm hopeful the UK will be booming by 2024.
Its the least business friendly environment I can remember.0 -
My classes tend not to believe me when I tell them my average velocity walking to school is higher than the average velocity of Lewis Hamilton winning a Grand Prix...ydoethur said:
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
Edit: that is until after I’ve explained the difference between velocity and speed.4 -
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it and there are far more evangelicals in the USA than there are libertarians0 -
Mr. Teacher, not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't actually follow Canadian football (shocking, I know) just happened to learn about Edmonton for reasons that are strange and mysterious. Seems odd to drop a name without one lined up to replace it.0 -
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.2 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53523682
Retail sales V shaped recovery - though a big transfer between sectors within retail.
Interesting.0 -
Worth reading Richard Evans’ review - https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2014/11/one-man-who-made-history-another-who-seems-just-make-it-boris-churchill.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have never read his book on cars, but have read his Churchill book and it was awful. It was as though he watching the X-factor and thought, "oh I ought to get that into the title to make it a bit more populist", and so about half way through there is an attempt to refer to the book's title as an after thought. The rest of the book has no fresh research and no particular slant or insight. It was definitely the worst political bio I have ever read, well almost read, as I gave up 3/4 of the way through it's tedious pages.Carnyx said:
His thoughts on gearboxes, or his use of gerunds?Dura_Ace said:
His book on cars is the worst thing ever written in the entire history of English prose composition.nichomar said:
Johnson is the kind of male I avoid having anything to do with, his blokey humor and faux toff image is not my cup of tea, his attitude to marriage and fidelity don’t help I do wonder though if those appear to love him actually switched votes in the election as they appear to be natural tories.
Very scathing and funny.0 -
A political decision not a medical/scientific one
https://twitter.com/deb_cohen/status/12822447730306334730 -
Even through the 1980s. Roy Jenkins and the Gang of Four had split to bring down Labour's average, while the Conservatives enthusiastically joined (and even created) the Single Market, Maastricht and the ERM.HYUFD said:
Indeed in the late 1960s and early 1970s under Heath the Tories were more pro EEC than Labour under Wilson, with a few exceptions like Enoch PowellFoxy said:
I think it fair to describe Ted Heath as a Europhile PM.Nigel_Foremain said:
Nope, very little to do with Brexit as shown in the headline. Even though you didn't vote for Brexit, you seem obsessed by it's effect on Tory votes as the most committed Brexit believer!HYUFD said:
From 2017 to 2019 the Labour vote fell by 8%, the LD vote rose by 4% and the Tory vote rose by 1% and the SNP and Green vote each rose by 1% and the Brexit Party got 2% compared to 1% for UKIP in 2017.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Then why didn't that happen in 2019?Malmesbury said:
Large numbers of people voted for Labour - despite Corbyn - in the belief that a coalition in parliament would stop Brexit?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I've said many times disregarding the 2017 result is very silly.isam said:
How people buy this nonsense of Corbyn being a drag on the Labour vote when they have the 2017 GE staring them in the face is quite unsettlingPulpstar said:
Corbyn's 2017 Brexit strategy wasn't a bad one.bigjohnowls said:
i Wonder why Mike doesnt post a poll of why Millions switched to Lab in 2017?GarethoftheVale2 said:On topic, it is interesting to see how people continue to underestimate Boris.
"He only won because of Corbyn". Despite the fact that Corbyn took seats from Theresa May in 2017
"He only won in London because of Ken Livingstone". Despite the fact that Livingstone beat Steve Norris twice
"Brexit only won because of a lie on a bus" etc etc
Too many clever people still fall for the bumbling buffoon act and can't understand why he keeps winning.
Something happened in that election for Corbyn to do so unexpectedly well and I can't believe "not May" did it.
My theory is that Corbyn was neutral in 2017 and by 2019 he was hated.
Therefore if Starmer is either neutral or liked, he should do the same or better.
What we know is that Labour can achieve 40% of the vote.
So basically in 2017 Corbyn got Remainers on board by suggesting he would fight to stop a hard Brexit while keeping Leavers on board by suggesting he would deliver Brexit.
In the end he did neither and thus in 2019 he lost Remainers to the LDs and Greens and SNP and Leavers to the Tories and Brexit Party
The reality is that in 2017 no-one thought Corbyn would win, indeed for some time it looked like a TMay landslide. By 2019 even the most apolitical knew what Corbyn was about; that he was fundamentally stupid and to many peoples' sensibilities, very unpatriotic. At that point many people feared he could win.
Also let us remember, it wasn't that long ago politically that people voted for Blair by landslide. He was probably the only genuinely "Europhile" PM in history and all the red wall voters loved him. Europe and Brexit are a lot less important to the average voter than Brexiters fantasise about. 2019 was a vote to stop Corbyn, and while I loathe the fat charlatan, I am slightly grateful we do not have a Corbyn government.1 -
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I am getting some free articles from the Economist at the moment which is something of a mixed blessing but I thought that this one was a good summary of where we are at in terms of macroeconomic thinking: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/07/25/the-covid-19-pandemic-is-forcing-a-rethink-in-macroeconomics?fsrc=newsletter&utm_campaign=the-economist-today&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-07-23&utm_content=article-link-1
The implications of the genuinely radical responses to Covid for future government and economic policy may be far more long lasting than is often assumed.0 -
Indeed, the last Republican moderate to win was Bush Snr in 1988 but he lost in 1992.contrarian said:
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.
Since then of Republican moderate nominees for president Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 all lost, however the 2 populist conservative nominees ie George W Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Trump in 2016 all won0 -
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:1 -
Indeed (though I need my Staggers sub to get at it):Cyclefree said:
Worth reading Richard Evans’ review - https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2014/11/one-man-who-made-history-another-who-seems-just-make-it-boris-churchill.Nigel_Foremain said:
I have never read his book on cars, but have read his Churchill book and it was awful. It was as though he watching the X-factor and thought, "oh I ought to get that into the title to make it a bit more populist", and so about half way through there is an attempt to refer to the book's title as an after thought. The rest of the book has no fresh research and no particular slant or insight. It was definitely the worst political bio I have ever read, well almost read, as I gave up 3/4 of the way through it's tedious pages.Carnyx said:
His thoughts on gearboxes, or his use of gerunds?Dura_Ace said:
His book on cars is the worst thing ever written in the entire history of English prose composition.nichomar said:
Johnson is the kind of male I avoid having anything to do with, his blokey humor and faux toff image is not my cup of tea, his attitude to marriage and fidelity don’t help I do wonder though if those appear to love him actually switched votes in the election as they appear to be natural tories.
Very scathing and funny.
"Not for him the subtleties of the complex interplay of historical forces and individual personalities. Subtlety is not Boris’s strong point. Winston Churchill alone, he writes, “saved our civilisation”. He “invented the RAF and the tank”. He founded the welfare state (although Boris gives David Lloyd George a bit of credit for this, as well)."0 -
I'm guessing no Eskimos in the team. Or even on the bench.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Teacher, the Edmonton Eskimos very recently (few days ago, I think) dropped their name. They're currently known as Edmonton Football Team, I believe, until a permanent alternative is found.
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I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.3 -
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.HYUFD said:
Indeed, the last Republican moderate to win was Bush Snr in 1988 but he lost in 1992.contrarian said:
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.
Since then of Republican moderate nominees for president Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 all lost, however the 2 populist conservative nominees ie George W Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Trump in 2016 all won
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.1 -
Is “no deal Brexit” just a cunning way of reducing obesity levels by putting up the price of food?HYUFD said:0 -
Would that not depend upon which circuit ?Fysics_Teacher said:
My classes tend not to believe me when I tell them my average velocity walking to school is higher than the average velocity of Lewis Hamilton winning a Grand Prix...ydoethur said:
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
Edit: that is until after I’ve explained the difference between velocity and speed.0 -
I was working on the assumption that all circuits had the same start/finish line: if that isn’t true can you let me know which circuits I could give as examples?Nigelb said:
Would that not depend upon which circuit ?Fysics_Teacher said:
My classes tend not to believe me when I tell them my average velocity walking to school is higher than the average velocity of Lewis Hamilton winning a Grand Prix...ydoethur said:
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
Edit: that is until after I’ve explained the difference between velocity and speed.
Edit: I don’t mean exactly the same line for each circuit, but that in each circuit the start line (or front of the grid) is at the finish line.0 -
Silly hats? They already wear them from choice so should be easy.brokenwheel said:0 -
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.HYUFD said:
Indeed, the last Republican moderate to win was Bush Snr in 1988 but he lost in 1992.contrarian said:
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.
Since then of Republican moderate nominees for president Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 all lost, however the 2 populist conservative nominees ie George W Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Trump in 2016 all won
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
The mask thing was clearly brought in by wonks who have never run a business in their lives.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
The rules turn the functioning relationship of business owner and customer on its head.
The notion that businesses can dictate terms to customers and still prosper in a free market is for the birds. Businesses must run, but customers can choose, and so the customer is always right.
10-year olds understand this. But not, it appears people who make these rules, who think in terms of monopolies and authoritarianism.0 -
Maybe in the chill box?kinabalu said:
I'm guessing no Eskimos in the team. Or even on the bench.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Teacher, the Edmonton Eskimos very recently (few days ago, I think) dropped their name. They're currently known as Edmonton Football Team, I believe, until a permanent alternative is found.
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In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
Bill for the advertising ban?contrarian said:
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:0 -
Businesses limit what their customers can do all the time.contrarian said:
The mask thing was clearly brought in by wonks who have never run a business in their lives.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
The rules turn the functioning relationship of business owner and customer on its head.
The notion that businesses can dictate terms to customers and still prosper in a free market is for the birds. Businesses must run, but customers can choose, and so the customer is always right.
10-year olds understand this. But not, it appears people who make these rules, who think in terms of monopolies and authoritarianism.2 -
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.1 -
It doesn't matter. See below.contrarian said:
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:
Interesting vox Pop from the Royal Dyche pub in Burnley on WATO to celebrate Johnson's year in office. Labour far too left wing. Boris and the Conservative Party have done an excellent job over the last 12 months. Support for business and individuals cited as key.
Other than my gratitude for "free" money, I must be living in a parallel universe.0 -
I was thinking rather that the speeds in one direction can be greatly in excess of those in another, depending on the layout. Though that is probably misguided, too.Fysics_Teacher said:
I was working on the assumption that all circuits had the same start/finish line: if that isn’t true can you let me know which circuits I could give as examples?Nigelb said:
Would that not depend upon which circuit ?Fysics_Teacher said:
My classes tend not to believe me when I tell them my average velocity walking to school is higher than the average velocity of Lewis Hamilton winning a Grand Prix...ydoethur said:
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
Edit: that is until after I’ve explained the difference between velocity and speed.
Edit: I don’t mean exactly the same line for each circuit, but that in each circuit the start line (or front of the grid) is at the finish line.
You can, of course, win a race starting from the pit lane.0 -
That would be OK. Forewarned is forearmed. The nightmare would be if you can't spot him - let's assume it's a he - and by the time you find out you've become pals, hanging out, going for a shake and a slice of pie together after classes. That would be a tough gig. You'd have to cancel him but in a way that doesn't make you look like a zealot trying to stifle free expression.Fysics_Teacher said:0 -
Praising past leaders of opposing parties is so routine it gets boring. Micheal Foot, such a patriot. Neil Kinnock, so brave. Harold Macmillan, what a one-nation Tory. And so on. At the time, their opponents reviled them, but it's convenient to say the current ones are worse.Malmesbury said:
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
NHS Hospital numbers out
Headline - 16
7 days - 12
Yesterday - 0
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No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
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Not just Democrats:contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.HYUFD said:
Indeed, the last Republican moderate to win was Bush Snr in 1988 but he lost in 1992.contrarian said:
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.
Since then of Republican moderate nominees for president Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 all lost, however the 2 populist conservative nominees ie George W Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Trump in 2016 all won
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.
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The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
I did not like Foot until he, quite bizarrely, turned up on a panel programme about Jonathan Swift. One of those Don-ish broadcasts that simply do not exist anywhere on TV any more.NickPalmer said:
Praising past leaders of opposing parties is so routine it gets boring. Micheal Foot, such a patriot. Neil Kinnock, so brave. Harold Macmillan, what a one-nation Tory. And so on. At the time, their opponents reviled them, but it's convenient to say the current ones are worse.Malmesbury said:
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.
Foot was clearly both an enthusiast and an expert. A superb analysis.1 -
It is going to be the worst economic downturn in living memory. No one alive has experienced what is about to hit us.eek said:
+1 the problem is my linkedIn feed and general enquiries from people looking for work tells me that it's going to be bad out there.contrarian said:
I really, really hope you are correct. Genuinely.Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
There seem to be exceptions, given the obsession people have about Thatcher. You'd think she was still around eating babies the way some get emotional about her time in office.NickPalmer said:
Praising past leaders of opposing parties is so routine it gets boring. Micheal Foot, such a patriot. Neil Kinnock, so brave. Harold Macmillan, what a one-nation Tory. And so on. At the time, their opponents reviled them, but it's convenient to say the current ones are worse.Malmesbury said:
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
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Your claim was that the virus was bought under control with hand washing and social distancing. I was trying to make the point that the social distancing was quite extreme, with people simply staying at home and not interacting. That is no longer the case, so it seems sensible to bring in additional precautions to keep the transmission low.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
Not yet.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.
And are you American? Commenting on British precautions in 'meters' is unusual.2 -
Well, not in this country at any rate. People we can ask for tips from people who have lived in economic catastrophes around the globe.LadyG said:
It is going to be the worst economic downturn in living memory. No one alive has experienced what is about to hit us.eek said:
+1 the problem is my linkedIn feed and general enquiries from people looking for work tells me that it's going to be bad out there.contrarian said:
I really, really hope you are correct. Genuinely.Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.0 -
It has stalled the fall in the infection rate. I think it's a trade off worth making given the economic benefits gained from reducing distancing but let's not pretend it comes at no public health cost.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
Wake up, sheeple!slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
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Average velocity is total displacement from the start divided by total time taken. If you end up back where you started then your average velocity is zero, as the total displacement is zero.Nigelb said:
I was thinking rather that the speeds in one direction can be greatly in excess of those in another, depending on the layout. Though that is probably misguided, too.Fysics_Teacher said:
I was working on the assumption that all circuits had the same start/finish line: if that isn’t true can you let me know which circuits I could give as examples?Nigelb said:
Would that not depend upon which circuit ?Fysics_Teacher said:
My classes tend not to believe me when I tell them my average velocity walking to school is higher than the average velocity of Lewis Hamilton winning a Grand Prix...ydoethur said:
Like Brexit negotiations, they keep going round in pointless circles to get back to where they started.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m surprised you think NASCAR is right wing: I thought that on most circuits they only turned left...kinabalu said:
I believe NASCAR is "working class libertarian right" but there is less nuttery than you might expect from that term - although very pro gun needless to say - and it is largely free of evangelicalism. So on the whole I think you'll be OK with it. The great news is it used to be big for Trump but no more. Health care is important to NASCAR and it can see what a pig's ear he's made of that.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
Edit: that is until after I’ve explained the difference between velocity and speed.
Edit: I don’t mean exactly the same line for each circuit, but that in each circuit the start line (or front of the grid) is at the finish line.
You can, of course, win a race starting from the pit lane.
Even if you start from the pit lane the usual time taken is 90 minutes or so, so the pit lane would need to be 4 or 5 km away to beat my average velocity walking to school.
A car that crashes half way round on the first lap on the other hand will have a much higher average velocity.
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Have you seen the hospital inpatient and admission figures? They are falling quicklyMaxPB said:
It has stalled the fall in the infection rate. I think it's a trade off worth making given the economic benefits gained from reducing distancing but let's not pretend it comes at no public health cost.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
Indeed, now he does not even make the top 3 of most loathed Republican presidents by Democrats, Trump, George W Bush and Nixon take those placescontrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.HYUFD said:
Indeed, the last Republican moderate to win was Bush Snr in 1988 but he lost in 1992.contrarian said:
The democrats would have you believe there are republicans that they 'like' and republicans they can 'work with'HYUFD said:
Romney lost, Trump and Dubya won.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't like the American right though.kinabalu said:
NASCAR very right wing - so I can see you becoming a big fan.Philip_Thompson said:
From American sports it'd be that or NASCAR for me. Followed by watching paint dry.kinabalu said:
If I lived in the States and had to pick a US sport to get into it would be that one - baseball. It seems to have more to it than the other two.Foxy said:
Yes, I am not a cricket fan. Perhaps it is my teenage years in the USA that meant I never played either cricket or rugby at school, so never developed the taste. Baseball was the sport that I enjoyed most at school, and even at Little League level it is a good game to play and watch.DavidL said:
A sensible chap who doesn't like cricket? I am going to need to think about that, its a 3 patch problem as Sherlock used to say.Nigelb said:
@Foxy is normally such a polite and sensible chap, so I think they gave him a pass this time.DavidL said:
Moderators for goodness sake. Is there no limits on the outrageousness of opinions on this site anymore?Foxy said:
Baseball is a great game to watch. The best of American Stadium sports, and so much better than cricket.dixiedean said:
Squad size is 25. Pitchers don't pitch every day. There are usually 5 starters who rotate every 4 to 5 days. But they very rarely complete a full 9 innings. So there is a bullpen of relievers who come on as and when needed.kle4 said:
8 position players plus subs for injuries etc.
So 9 on the field. Remember they play 162 3 hour plus games a season normally.
Reagan right yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger right yes. Mitt Romney right yes.
But the religious right? Dubya? Today's GOP? No thanks.
Until the GOP regains sanity I'd rather vote Democrat.
The GOP goes where the US voters send it
What they mean by that is Republicans they expect to beat.
Since then of Republican moderate nominees for president Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 all lost, however the 2 populist conservative nominees ie George W Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Trump in 2016 all won
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
He won't he will mainly borrow despite a few tweaks to capital gains taxcontrarian said:
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:0 -
Clunk.
Being hit on the helmet by Kemar Roach must be a highly unpleasant experience.0 -
In fairness I think Corbyn may well break this trend.NickPalmer said:
Praising past leaders of opposing parties is so routine it gets boring. Micheal Foot, such a patriot. Neil Kinnock, so brave. Harold Macmillan, what a one-nation Tory. And so on. At the time, their opponents reviled them, but it's convenient to say the current ones are worse.Malmesbury said:
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
I would agree with that, but i don't think that mask wearing by the general public whilst shopping will work. There will be so much face touching going on that any potential and yet unproven benefits of masks in that environment will be outweighed by the face touching.RobD said:
Your claim was that the virus was bought under control with hand washing and social distancing. I was trying to make the point that the social distancing was quite extreme, with people simply staying at home and not interacting. That is no longer the case, so it seems sensible to bring in additional precautions to keep the transmission low.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
Yes. Of nations similar to us, perhaps Greece provides the best example.kle4 said:
Well, not in this country at any rate. People we can ask for tips from people who have lived in economic catastrophes around the globe.LadyG said:
It is going to be the worst economic downturn in living memory. No one alive has experienced what is about to hit us.eek said:
+1 the problem is my linkedIn feed and general enquiries from people looking for work tells me that it's going to be bad out there.contrarian said:
I really, really hope you are correct. Genuinely.Philip_Thompson said:
I think you greatly overestimate what change is coming.contrarian said:
If you think he's unpopular now wait until the winter.CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson is objectively unpopular as per polling.
Furlough through lockdown has worked to avoid the worst of what could have happened.
The economy shrank 20-30%, debt soared, entire town centres closed down.
But that happened over a period of years, this is going to happen in 12 months.0 -
Now if that were baseball he would be able to go to first base...ydoethur said:Clunk.
Being hit on the helmet by Kemar Roach must be a highly unpleasant experience.1 -
Im an electrician by trade, I write meter a lot.Carnyx said:
Not yet.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.
And are you American? Commenting on British precautions in 'meters' is unusual.2 -
So defeatist. You just said that we got it under control through hand washing. Are they going to stop doing that now?NerysHughes said:
I would agree with that, but i don't think that mask wearing by the general public whilst shopping will work. There will be so much face touching going on that any potential and yet unproven benefits of masks in that environment will be outweighed by the face touching.RobD said:
Your claim was that the virus was bought under control with hand washing and social distancing. I was trying to make the point that the social distancing was quite extreme, with people simply staying at home and not interacting. That is no longer the case, so it seems sensible to bring in additional precautions to keep the transmission low.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.1 -
How are we planning to pay off this mountain of debt we have accumulated over the last 18 years?HYUFD said:
He won't he will mainly borrow despite a few tweaks to capital gains taxcontrarian said:
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:
We have a sluggish economy, where growth is going to be at best stagnant. We have low productivity. We seem to have a number of sacred cows that must be paid for. We refuse to consider higher taxes.
You don’t have to be batshit crazy like Corbyn to see that borrowing passim ad nauseam is a model that won’t work for ever.0 -
Short.
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That's logical though. The one thing everyone agrees about Maggie Thatcher is she was transformational. She transformed the country, i.e. her impact is felt strongly to this day. So there is every reason to still love/hate her depending on your politics.kle4 said:
There seem to be exceptions, given the obsession people have about Thatcher. You'd think she was still around eating babies the way some get emotional about her time in office.NickPalmer said:
Praising past leaders of opposing parties is so routine it gets boring. Micheal Foot, such a patriot. Neil Kinnock, so brave. Harold Macmillan, what a one-nation Tory. And so on. At the time, their opponents reviled them, but it's convenient to say the current ones are worse.Malmesbury said:
To the point where Senator Edward Kennedy tried to make a deal with the Soviets to influence the 1984 elections...contrarian said:
The one that makes me laugh is Reagan, who seems to have been rehabilitated by the Dems.
When he was in power, Reagan was 100% loathed by the Dems. Loathed. Reviled.0 -
You have the most amazing command and control view of society. Do you think everyone is following the guidance to the letter?NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.1 -
I’m glad someone is using them.NerysHughes said:
Im an electrician by trade, I write meter a lot.Carnyx said:
Not yet.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.
And are you American? Commenting on British precautions in 'meters' is unusual.0 -
The 111 numbers are also falling.NerysHughes said:
Have you seen the hospital inpatient and admission figures? They are falling quicklyMaxPB said:
It has stalled the fall in the infection rate. I think it's a trade off worth making given the economic benefits gained from reducing distancing but let's not pretend it comes at no public health cost.NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.
I will need to double check - but I believe that every single metric apart from infections is falling.
I *think* that the levelling off of the infection rate is due to heavy Pillar 2 testing around the hotspot areas. Really looking forward to getting separated Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 daily data.
I have heard, for example, that on the farm in Hereford, 10 or so people actually got symptoms. All the others tested positive didn't.1 -
Ollie Pope isn’t in great form at the moment, he hasn’t had a decent score all series.
Meanwhile, our two in-form batsmen - Stokes and Sibley - are back in the hutch and the other to get 50 - Zak Crawley - isn’t even playing.
And after Pope we’re into the tail.0 -
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Of course not, I just look at the figures and witness peoples behaviour.williamglenn said:
You have the most amazing command and control view of society. Do you think everyone is following the guidance to the letter?NerysHughes said:
The 1 meter rule was introduced 3 weeks ago and has not led to an increase in cases.RobD said:
No, but if you think people are going to be stay as far apart as they were during the lockdown you have another thing coming. A large fraction of the population stayed at home all the time, that's not the case any more.NerysHughes said:
Sorry are there new rules on Social Distancing released today?RobD said:
Why introduce them now? Because there will be less social distancing now that half the population isn't cooped up at home.NerysHughes said:
In the UK we have bought Covid under control with the use of hand washing and social distancing,not by the use of masks. Why introduce them now? There is no evidence that they work in the settings that they are now going to be used in and until political pressure the WHO said they could well be detrimental.OllyT said:
I agree that not treating the mask properly limits its effectiveness but the answer is to try to educate people to do it properly not say f*ck it, let's not bother.NerysHughes said:
I have just witnessed why wearing masks for shopping will be detrimental. People were putting on their masks at the door of the shop and then removing them as soon as they left. Hands all over their faces after touching loads of surfaces and products in the shop. This mask wearing for shopping will lead to an increase in cases.OllyT said:slade said:Just returned from my weekly trip to Morrisons. 100% mask wearing amongst customers and all the mobile staff too.
Similar experience - went into John Lewis Home (100%), Pets at Home (100%) Boots ( 1 couple without a mask)
Encouraging early signs, I really expected it to be 50/50 at best.
To use Surgeons as an example is just ridiculous as that is a completly different setting and a completly different type of mask. (face fitted).
We have been told all the way along to not touch our faces and now we are being instructed to do something which means that peeple will touch their face all the time.
Just stand outside a Tesco Express and watch what people do.0 -
There seem to be some people (only on this website tho) disappointed that telling people to cover their mouth and nose while going round Tescos hasn't started a revolution, and that instead people are wearing masks.
I suppose most people are actually willing to follow a rule that causes them a minor inconvenience when the aim of the rule is to make a resurgence of a deadly epidemic less likely. Who would've guessed?2 -
What happened on the 16th?Scott_xP said:
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You are still throwing in these gratuitous Corbyn riders, I see, despite my pleas of a while ago. But otherwise a strong point. You DO have to be batshit crazy like ... a batshit crazy person ... to think that the model WILL work for ever.ydoethur said:
How are we planning to pay off this mountain of debt we have accumulated over the last 18 years?HYUFD said:
He won't he will mainly borrow despite a few tweaks to capital gains taxcontrarian said:
Just wait until his chancellor sends tory middle England the bill for all thisHYUFD said:
We have a sluggish economy, where growth is going to be at best stagnant. We have low productivity. We seem to have a number of sacred cows that must be paid for. We refuse to consider higher taxes.
You don’t have to be batshit crazy like Corbyn to see that borrowing passim ad nauseam is a model that won’t work for ever.0
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