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This week’s out of court settlement of the case between the LAB party and some of its former employees has put the spotlight once again on former leader Corbyn who twice led to the party to two successive general election defeats. The decision by Corbyn himself to attack the party over this is a reflection that Labour’s internal wars are ongoing.
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The chaos of the Corbyn leadership is what happens if you take the most stupid person in the building and put him in charge. Public life can only bear so much stupidity. Bereft of intellectual weight, with nothing much in his head and painfully conscious of the deficiency, Mr Corbyn’s options were to lean heavily on unctuous self-righteousness or, when that failed, to lash out. Unable to provide good reasons, or any reasons, for his decisions, he simply acted with erratic impunity and got instantly testy if anyone questioned his authority. He was always a rather pathetic figure, if briefly quite a dangerous one. Meanwhile his entourage of sycophants, the Milnes, Murphys and McCluskeys, went out to argue for a man they always regarded as a useful idiot.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/starmer-must-finish-off-corbyn-to-show-he-means-business-xnlz35pvx
https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1286542503777361920?s=09
I hate to be pedantic* but that makes four election defeats.
*That is possibly the most unconvincing lie in the history of PB.
Edit - ah, I see it’s been corrected on the main site.
Leaving aside the fact he is now doubling down on his mindless racism, surely he deserves expulsion for the blatant defiance of Starmer, which effectively includes calling the new Labour leader a liar?
July will be interesting
Had Starmer led labour instead of Corbyn I have little doubt that we would have remained in the single market at the very least
It is clear Corbyn and his fellow supporting mps just have to have the whip removed otherwise Starmer will be so compromised his attempts to turn labour round will be in disarray
Decisively act on Corbyn and it will be a game changer
The Great British Public were having none of that and the political career of Jo Swinson was destroyed after just a few short months as the party's leader.
You could not have conceived that 6 months ago
Labour to be be bankrupted?
I agree 100% with this article: "Keir Starmer doesn’t need to lift a finger as Corbyn’s Left discredits itself"
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-hard-left-antisemitism-whistleblowers-561470
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1286248825175277569
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-23/california-records-most-coronavirus-deaths-in-a-day-as-fatalities-pass-8-000
https://deadline.com/2020/07/los-angeles-county-coronavirus-update-covid-19-on-track-to-become-second-leading-cause-of-death-in-l-a-says-health-director-1202992258/
This is all still the phoney war IMO.
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1286563803564576769
In any event, shops aren’t the only places virus spreads...
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1286320775423840256
https://twitter.com/JakeAnbinder/status/1286360892460933121
Really check: When have the Labour Party NOT been on the verge of bankruptcy?
Are you new to this whole politics malarkey? Parties are always emailing their lists asking for fundraising. Would you have been so snarkey to Cameron? I doubt it.
Yes, expelling Corbyn on the grounds he’s a bully and an unreconstructed racist would be a gesture. After all, he now has no power so he looks like what he always was - a sad, pathetic failure of very limited ability focussed on a discredited philosophy and out to do favours for his mates while spewing bile at everyone and everything he sees as the enemy.
But Starmer has shown a willingness to use gestures on this point, and it would be an important one. He would be saying, clearly and unequivocally, that he will not tolerate racists and bullies in the Labour Party any longer. I personally think, speaking purely anecdotally as a swing voter, that is important.
If our position on no LPF commitment holds then it will be a no deal, the EU will, rightly IMO, refuse to deal with the UK. The issue is that they want a 10/10 LPF commitment and we're asking for 0/10. My guess is that we'll end up somewhere between 4-7/10 and both sides will call it a win.
It would be a huge gain to national life.
After all, comedy of that class doesn’t come round too often.
It does seem as if it is expected a deal will be done by October by some in Europe
More likely covid related
Given the obesity rates in the USA and how rampant the virus is getting there it does seem odd that death rates there don't seem to be rising as much as they did here when we were at our peak. Has treatment gotten much better in the past two months or is something else going on?
Which is why Starmer's polling is so far ahead of his Party.
The UK position on LPF is that we agree there should be an LPF but it should be a standard LPF provision. In particular we are advocating the LPF found in the CETA agreement.
I see no reason if we want an LPF found in other agreements that we can't make other agreements. That's the point.
The EU are rejecting the LPF in past agreements and are claiming that all past agreements ratified are not a precedent to go on and the only precedence that applies is their interpretation of the Political Declaration and what they take that to mean.
I think the true answer varies according to where you live. In the north of England and Wales I would hypothesise ‘in spite of;’ in the south of England, the Midlands (to a lesser extent) and Scotland I would say ‘because of.’
But those are in themselves gross generalisations.
But yes if we have dug in at the other extreme due to their intransigence then it is presumably to be able to meet in the middle (about where we started) and not an intention to die in the ditch for nothing.
Brexit was the second issue, and add both together equals an 80 seat majority
I very much doubt that result or those circumstances will ever be repeated
So next time in those seats there will be younger, more ambitious and probably more determined candidates under no illusion that they can take voters for granted.
Will that help Labour retake them? Possibly, although it has to be said the example of Mansfield, which has a dud Tory MP whose majority skyrocketed, isn’t encouraging for Labour.
I do think the testiness of Corbyn showed much of his true character. Its certainly true that he was not someone who had spent his time grasping for power all his career, and he had a rather pleasant and mild demeanour which is admirable to a degree, but his supposed humility I never quite bought.
He was so self righteous, so clearly irritated when pressed, so so angry and simply not competent and yet I think quite vain. Not in the same way as Boris whose vanity reveals in other ways, but in how the most important thing seems to be his own image and purity, not achieving things.
I actually voted in a way which would have indirectly supported him as PM, hopefully briefly, but he truly was awful.
But - to take the most egregious example - how did the voters in County Durham feel when their MP spent part of her time on maternity leave, part of it jetting off to Italy for a romantic break with her boyfriend and missing a crucial vote on Universal Credit as a result, part of her time shouting, screaming and raging at various rallies around the country, and feck all time at her constituency duties?
Whatever anyone thinks about Frost, you never get the reports that the EU team are running rings around him like we saw when Robbins was in charge with weekly reports in the FT that the EU had secured yet more movement in the UK position in return for nothing concessions they covered in glitter.
It would enable a breakaway Socialist Party to exist, a moderate Conservative Party to exist and at the same time attract votes from all over the spectrum from those who want to avoid ever again the sort of choice we were given last year of Corbyn or Boris/Cummings/No Deal Brexit.
The 750bn euro agreement seems to me to have been somewhat oversold. More than half of it is loans. Why the EU Commission is borrowing money when none of the MS are having any real difficulty in doing so in the market (unlike 2009) is not clear to me but it was presumably driven by the urge to establish the principle of joint and several debt.
The details of the grants is still to be agreed and may prove difficult in the cases of Hungary and Poland in particular. But the interest payments on the debt will force increases in future EU budgets so it was a win for the Ever closer Union brigade. Whether it actually helps their economy to any material extent is incidental to that purpose.
Edit - mind you, they were worried that Wendy Alexander being forced out would be bad news. Didn’t turn out that way...
GE24 would be a lot easier for the Tories if the Commons was 59 MPs lighter.
(Incidentally, Starmer/Labour hasn’t said anything about devomax for years, and there would be huge resistance from SLab.)
For god's sake man don't let @TSE hear you. You might as well have said that pineapple on pizza should be mandatory.
MiFID is your friend, here (or not!!).
Time to go and paint the shed...