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During the day I had a all from an old friend who told me she had recently come out of hospital after getting COVID19. Her story was, no doubt, very similar to what many of the hundreds of thousands who have been struck down with the disease have experienced.
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"The reality is that life won’t get back to normal until a vaccine is widely available"
Certainly true for those in high risk categories. Let's just hope that a vaccine is possible.
Much less true, of course, for otherwise healthy children and young or even middle-aged adults.0 -
The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.0 -
Vaccine isn't the only hope. The virus may mutate to a non-lethal pathogen.
An Italian hospital doctor was mentioned earlier whose clinical experience is the virus is not as dangerous as it was.0 -
Hard to think of an excuse. It's not hard to declare things properly. If there's any doubt, you declare, for a start.Scott_xP said:Incompetent AND sleazy...
https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/12748026248403066890 -
He is a Tory , they cannot help themselves, they will do anything for a pennykle4 said:
Hard to think of an excuse. It's not hard to declare things properly. If there's any doubt, you declare, for a start.Scott_xP said:Incompetent AND sleazy...
https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/12748026248403066890 -
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Excuse me.brokenwheel said:
Modern Father's day is in part modelled on Mother's day, which was created by Anna Jarvis.Anabobazina said:
Yes it’s Father’s Day, even though that is counterintuitive. You can argue it is a day for an individual - your father. I’d rather it was plural possessive, but it just isn’t.Stark_Dawning said:
COD has it as Father's, presumably as the day dedicated to the father one happens to have.SandyRentool said:
No. It's like All Saints' Day.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, one has the distinct impression a committee was involved there.FrancisUrquhart said:
You would think, but there was probably a 3hr planning meeting to try to ensure any possible avenues of offense was ruled out.MaxPB said:
It's super easy for Labour, just send a picture of Starmer and his kids, if they are ok with being used as props. It's the kind of thing Blair and Dave would do.FrancisUrquhart said:In these woke times, even sending a fathers day tweet is a minefield.
Btw, why the apostrophe? The Day doesn't belong to anyone. So it's simply Fathers Day (the day to think about Fathers). No?
https://web.archive.org/web/20080514130408/http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=c942370c-cdbb-43b2-af59-71ad4b546854In 1912, Jarvis incorporated her own association, trademarked the white carnation and the phrases "second Sunday in May" and "Mother's Day". She was specific about the location of the apostrophe; it was to be a singular possessive, for each family to honour their mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.
It is not 'Mother's Day'. In Britain it is 'Mothering Sunday' and it dates back to the 16th century at least. In Britain it was reinvigorated by Constance Penswick-Smith, daughter of the vicar of Coddington church where my wife and I were married.
We will have none of your colonial rubbish over here thankyou very much.2 -
A vaccine would be great, but it isn't the only solution. An effective drug treatment would also be a way out. This could comprise combining an anti-inflammatory drug such as dexamethasone, already shown to be quite effective in saving lives for those most badly affected, with an anti-viral. I think we can be reasonably confident that further substantial progress on this will be made in the next few months.0
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This is an embarrassing error. However the fact remains that this vaccine has reached the phase III clinical trials and it is still in the game. Moderna has a vaccine which is planned to start phase III clinical trials in July. There are other vaccines in clinical trials in various countries.Richard_Tyndall said:The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.
The problem is not that we do not have vaccines, it is that they are supposed to pass all the clinical trials before they are brought into use and this is made more difficult as the virus is not being actively transmitted in many countries at the moment. This is our choice. The virus is not making us do the clinical trials. Also, we have the option to carry out human challenge trials where vaccinated volunteers are exposed to the virus.
There will be a vaccine when the sooner of one of the following is reached. Either a vaccine passes all the clinical trials and is approved, or we have had enough of waiting for enough data to be collected and decide to make one or more of the vaccine candidates available to the population. I can't see us waiting for more than a year or two as the need for a vaccine will become desperate.0 -
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SandyRentool said:
» 'Fathers' Day is a day for fathers, plural. Not for one father.'
I never observed it. Fathers' Day was invented by cardmakers in the early 70s. I recall nobody sending such cards when growing up in the 1960s.0 -
Looking forward to doing those last two trains heading west and north from Inverness, but not at all sure when it will be safe enough to travel up there and stay, what, three nights.0
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Thanks Mike, a good article. The problem I have is that the government has never really made it clear what intermediate state it is aiming for, seams pretty inconsistent at meeting any of its goals and gives every appearance about being shit scared about the economic and political implications If lockdown and is trying rush us back to normal.0
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Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
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To be fair, being shit scared about the economic and political implications of lockdown is very sensible.Jonathan said:Thanks Mike, a good article. The problem I have is that the government has never really made it clear what intermediate state it is aiming for, seams pretty inconsistent at meeting any of its goals and gives every appearance about being shit scared about the economic and political implications If lockdown and is trying rush us back to normal.
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No problem: They've got all those tactical nukes.Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
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A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.0
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I'd imagine being distanced or completely cut off from their vulnerable and/or elderly relatives won't be getting back to normal for a lot of kids and young/middle aged folk.Fishing said:"The reality is that life won’t get back to normal until a vaccine is widely available"
Certainly true for those in high risk categories. Let's just hope that a vaccine is possible.
Much less true, of course, for otherwise healthy children and young or even middle-aged adults.0 -
Mike Pence is at 32 for the Republican nominee "as a result of the Republican convention". And he's at 140 for next president - meaning not if Trump leaves office early but as the person who will have the most "projected votes" in the electoral college after the vote on 3 November. (In both cases I'm using the last matched price.)
That combination of prices is absurd.0 -
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.1 -
They should do that confederate mountain down in Georgia firsteadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
Edit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain
I hadn’t realised they had specific bought it in 1958 as a memorial to the CSA and a response to Brown vs Bd of Education0 -
The Catch-22 of the race for a vaccine is that there aren’t enough infected people to test the bloody things.
But, it’s a nice Catch-22 to have, I s’pose.0 -
Sunil - you will certainly be ok to do that in AugustSunil_Prasannan said:Looking forward to doing those last two trains heading west and north from Inverness, but not at all sure when it will be safe enough to travel up there and stay, what, three nights.
Perhaps you can call in on malcolmg on the way to wish him greetings from London!
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On the basis of that, the left have nothing to worry about. I wonder if Toby Young spent all weekend colouring in that. It’s a bit sad really.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
No shortage in the US...or the Americas.Anabobazina said:The Catch-22 of the race for a vaccine is that there aren’t enough infected people to test the bloody things.
But, it’s a nice Catch-22 to have, I s’pose.0 -
Modern Father's day, as it is celebrated in the UK, is an import that comes from the US holiday. That is why we use that spelling. The US holiday of Father's day was in part inspired by US Mother's Day which was created early last century.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Excuse me.brokenwheel said:
Modern Father's day is in part modelled on Mother's day, which was created by Anna Jarvis.Anabobazina said:
Yes it’s Father’s Day, even though that is counterintuitive. You can argue it is a day for an individual - your father. I’d rather it was plural possessive, but it just isn’t.Stark_Dawning said:
COD has it as Father's, presumably as the day dedicated to the father one happens to have.SandyRentool said:
No. It's like All Saints' Day.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, one has the distinct impression a committee was involved there.FrancisUrquhart said:
You would think, but there was probably a 3hr planning meeting to try to ensure any possible avenues of offense was ruled out.MaxPB said:
It's super easy for Labour, just send a picture of Starmer and his kids, if they are ok with being used as props. It's the kind of thing Blair and Dave would do.FrancisUrquhart said:In these woke times, even sending a fathers day tweet is a minefield.
Btw, why the apostrophe? The Day doesn't belong to anyone. So it's simply Fathers Day (the day to think about Fathers). No?
https://web.archive.org/web/20080514130408/http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=c942370c-cdbb-43b2-af59-71ad4b546854In 1912, Jarvis incorporated her own association, trademarked the white carnation and the phrases "second Sunday in May" and "Mother's Day". She was specific about the location of the apostrophe; it was to be a singular possessive, for each family to honour their mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.
It is not 'Mother's Day'. In Britain it is 'Mothering Sunday' and it dates back to the 16th century at least. In Britain it was reinvigorated by Constance Penswick-Smith, daughter of the vicar of Coddington church where my wife and I were married.
We will have none of your colonial rubbish over here thankyou very much.
I did not say modern Father's Day is based on Mothering Sunday.0 -
True, that might have to be the way forward - testing the Oxford vaccine in Miami.FrancisUrquhart said:
No shortage in the US...or the Americas.Anabobazina said:The Catch-22 of the race for a vaccine is that there aren’t enough infected people to test the bloody things.
But, it’s a nice Catch-22 to have, I s’pose.0 -
Link?Richard_Tyndall said:The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.0 -
Is being anti-cannabis now a badge of Right-wingery? When did that come about? I thought the libertarian tradition from which Toby hails regarded drug prohibition as all a bit nanny state.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Already been approved in Brazil to run a trial and recruiting.Anabobazina said:
True, that might have to be the way forward - testing the Oxford vaccine in Miami.FrancisUrquhart said:
No shortage in the US...or the Americas.Anabobazina said:The Catch-22 of the race for a vaccine is that there aren’t enough infected people to test the bloody things.
But, it’s a nice Catch-22 to have, I s’pose.1 -
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Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong0 -
But nobody is saying that and ultimately no, stop it. Macron had the right response.Peter_the_Punter said:
Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong1 -
Toby Young is such a bore.1
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Hmm, where have we heard things like that before? Is this chap a friend of Jezza's?eadric said:Yah, OK, like y'know, BLM is a bit anti-Semitic, OK a lot anti-Semitic, OK kinda Nazi, but hey, like, who cares, right now, uh, like, is that raaaallly an isshooo here?
https://twitter.com/JonahPlatt/status/1274070109410086912?s=200 -
Elderly man in viral Black Lives Matter picture is unmasked as IRA apologist and conspiracy theorist - and he blames 'Zionists' for 'targeting him online'BluestBlue said:
Hmm, where have we heard things like that before? Is this chap a friend of Jezza's?eadric said:Yah, OK, like y'know, BLM is a bit anti-Semitic, OK a lot anti-Semitic, OK kinda Nazi, but hey, like, who cares, right now, uh, like, is that raaaallly an isshooo here?
https://twitter.com/JonahPlatt/status/1274070109410086912?s=20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8432337/Elderly-man-pictured-young-activist-viral-BLM-image-IRA-apologist-conspiracy-theorist.html0 -
I don't think you are, sadly.eadric said:
I fear you are wrong, I hope I am wrongPeter_the_Punter said:
Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
"...every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."0 -
Toby Young is such a bore.
Wut? She makes just as many videos taking the piss out of the Tories...eadric said:
Mediocre. No worse than most SNL skits (which are surprisingly bad) but no better. LaboriousTheuniondivvie said:
This girl is much better. Superbly skewers the Woke bourgeois
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If you want comedy, I recommend What we do in the Shadows on iPlayer. Father Ted meets Vampires. The character of Colin Robinson, the energy vampire, is perfect.2
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Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken0 -
Our culture has been drowning in nostalgia and associated romantic twaddle (eg Brexit) for the past few years. A little bit more consideration of the here and now and the future is perhaps no bad thing.1
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Given the 5.4% infection estimate from the ONS (down from the previous one) and the excess death figure of 64,500, the overall fatality rate in the UK is now looking like about 1.8%.isam said:A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.
To my mind the idea that the virus is something that only people with medical conditions need to be worried about became untenable quite a while ago.1 -
It's great, a fair bit of chortling out loud at it going on in my hoose.Jonathan said:If you want comedy, I recommend What we do in the Shadows on iPlayer. Father Ted meets Vampires. The character of Colin Robinson, the energy vampire, is perfect.
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https://twitter.com/meggiefoster/status/1262669850171920385
She does such a great job slaying the right wing muppets0 -
Maybe tell the wokeists to stop pulling down the statues then? Problem solved.OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken0 -
Sound a lot like Brexiteers.eadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until the burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
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Well, I guess if you keep predicting its end you'll be right one day. Personally I can easily imagine the End Of The USA As We Know It and within my lifetime too, but if and when it happens it won't be because of street names or statues.eadric said:
I fear you are wrong, I hope I am wrongPeter_the_Punter said:
Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
Btw, I was much amused by the Labour Party Father's Day Card. I did a little research and discovered it was the brainchild of the same team that brought us Winterval, and of course the Jubilympics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXNPy0qqqE
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Some slopes are actually slippery.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
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I think she's fantastic, I think the fact one can't easily tell where she stands, is what makes her such an impressive rarityeadric said:
She does, which is what makes her rather good. Everyone deserves to be satirised and she is not afraid to take on the Left as well as the Right.CorrectHorseBattery said:Toby Young is such a bore.
Wut? She makes just as many videos taking the piss out of the Tories...eadric said:
Mediocre. No worse than most SNL skits (which are surprisingly bad) but no better. LaboriousTheuniondivvie said:
This girl is much better. Superbly skewers the Woke bourgeois
https://twitter.com/meggiefoster/status/1256598449312727042?s=20
She's excellent. Also quite sexy.0 -
He is the same comedian who was banging on about how great unions were not very long ago, who is now is saying major problems with the po po in the US is because of unions....brokenwheel said:
Some slopes are actually slippery.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
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No I think you have severely misread this. It is not just the statues and all the other many physical representations including books. It is now also the rewriting of curriculums in schools and universities so that our children will no longer be taught large parts of our culture and what they are taught is vetted by those with a vested interest in rewriting history according to their own political and cultural views.Peter_the_Punter said:
Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
This is not a vision of the future it is already happening. A letter from the headmaster of my son's school on Thursday was all about the BLM movement and included the following
"All parts of the school are reviewing their curricula in line with the national agenda, with focus on History, English, Art, Music and Personal Development (PD). Since January the History department have been helping to run the “Decolonising the Curriculum” project with Lincoln University and are integrating this within the curriculum."
Having some knowledge of the history department of Lincoln University I can assure you there is not one academic there that most of us would consider neutral or centrist.
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Well I heard it from a friend who is a senior pharmacist in the NHS. But a quick trawl found a news item about it here:FrancisUrquhart said:
Link?Richard_Tyndall said:The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oxford-uni-scientists-accidentally-give-221970780 -
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.2 -
Toby appears considerably less clever than he assumes himself to be.Theuniondivvie said:2 -
Thanks. It doesn't say how serious / order of magnitude the under-dosing was though. Also, says trial not restarted.Richard_Tyndall said:
Well I heard it from a friend who is a senior pharmacist in the NHS. But a quick trawl found a news item about it here:FrancisUrquhart said:
Link?Richard_Tyndall said:The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oxford-uni-scientists-accidentally-give-22197078
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Interesting, but no actual numbers (though it suggests the discrepancy was small, it’s not defined).Richard_Tyndall said:
Well I heard it from a friend who is a senior pharmacist in the NHS. But a quick trawl found a news item about it here:FrancisUrquhart said:
Link?Richard_Tyndall said:The fear of course is that there may well never be a vaccine.
The Oxford Trials have suffered a setback because it turns out they were giving the patients the wrong dosage of vaccine so all the trials have to be restarted.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oxford-uni-scientists-accidentally-give-22197078
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'Outraging your elders' now means tearing down the foundations of our civilization? That's some impressive historical illiteracy you've got going on there...OllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
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I am literally Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, I was born and raised there, now transferred to Disgusted of Eppingeadric said:
I may well be Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells but at least I am not a drooling moronOllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.1 -
John Oliver, like a lot of lefty comedians, thinks shouting and saying "orange man bad" over and over again is funny. He and Nish Kumar are the worst at this.
A proper comedian can find humour in any situation, including those you agree with. The likes of Oliver she Kumar would never be able to bring themselves to do that.3 -
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You could hear exactly the same sentiments during the Vietnam demonstrations, gay rights demonstrations, poll tax demonstrations, Toxteth riots, etc etc etc.BluestBlue said:
'Outraging your elders' now means tearing down the foundations of our civilization? That's some impressive historical illiteracy you've got going on there...OllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.
You are behaving like a superannuated old colonel claiming that moving a few old statues constitutes "tearing down the foundations of our civilisation". Give your head a wobble and actually listen to yourself.
It's a few old statues. At the end of the day half a dozen will end up being moved into a museum where they probably belonged in the first place.
If you are really worried about the future of civilisation you would be better turning your attention to the current pandemic raging across the planet and the economic consequences heading our way.3 -
No doubt Orwell will have to go from the front of Broadcasting House as well having been a colonial policeman in Burma.houndtang said:
I don't think you are, sadly.eadric said:
I fear you are wrong, I hope I am wrongPeter_the_Punter said:
Relax. You're wrong. It isn't a sign of the End Of Civilisation As We Know It - just a bunch of immature idiots carrying a reasonable thought to absurd lenghts.eadric said:
Yes, it is. This isn't just statues. It's street names, murals, movies, buildings, sitcoms, unsound books, academic opinions, the works. It is a complete and comprehensive editing of American culture and history (and ours, to a lesser extent)Benpointer said:
It's not really though is it? The history will still be there; there's not going to be a big black hole between 1901 and 1909.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Statues ≠ history.
For the first time, peer reviewed science is being withdrawn, as too "sensitive".
It is, for me, the closing of the Western mind and I believe it is a tragic mis-step. I dearly hope I am utterly wrong
"...every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."0 -
Quite a small percentage had no medical conditionsChris said:
Given the 5.4% infection estimate from the ONS (down from the previous one) and the excess death figure of 64,500, the overall fatality rate in the UK is now looking like about 1.8%.isam said:A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.
To my mind the idea that the virus is something that only people with medical conditions need to be worried about became untenable quite a while ago.
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Of course not. You are not orange coloured.....eadric said:
I may well be Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells but at least I am not a drooling moronOllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.
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Who isn't?!Mexicanpete said:
Toby appears considerably less clever than he assumes himself to be.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
I was thinking this earlier... a lot of shy conservatives next time I'd say. Disagree with BLM in public and lose your job
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We only have your word for that. Or is that Sean T's word, or Byronic's or Eadric's. Who knows?eadric said:
I may well be Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells but at least I am not a drooling moronOllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.0 -
Weird how the forum "anti-racists" suddenly aren't interested.eadric said:Yah, OK, like y'know, BLM is a bit anti-Semitic, OK a lot anti-Semitic, OK kinda Nazi, but hey, like, who cares, right now, uh, like, is that raaaallly an isshooo here?
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Yet without considering all sides of the argument history ceases to become an objective academic discipline based on factual research and just becomes propogandaisam said:I was thinking this earlier... a lot of shy conservatives next time I'd say. Disagree with BLM in public and lose your job
https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1274787728782229506?s=210 -
You’re the king of propaganda.HYUFD said:
Yet without considering all sides of the argument history ceases to become an objective academic discipline based on factual research and just becomes propogandaisam said:I was thinking this earlier... a lot of shy conservatives next time I'd say. Disagree with BLM in public and lose your job
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Yes but on here it is obvious I am arguing the Tory cause, I am not writing academic articles with footnotes and citations as a paid professional academic historianGallowgate said:
You’re the king of propaganda.HYUFD said:
Yet without considering all sides of the argument history ceases to become an objective academic discipline based on factual research and just becomes propogandaisam said:I was thinking this earlier... a lot of shy conservatives next time I'd say. Disagree with BLM in public and lose your job
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The Reading terrorist suspect was only released from prison two weeks ago.after serving less than half of a 28 month sentence.0
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Quelle surprise!brokenwheel said:
Weird how the forum "anti-racists" suddenly aren't interested.eadric said:Yah, OK, like y'know, BLM is a bit anti-Semitic, OK a lot anti-Semitic, OK kinda Nazi, but hey, like, who cares, right now, uh, like, is that raaaallly an isshooo here?
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On topic, a vaccine would work but I don't think it's the only path to reopening the economy. Others - which aren't necessarily mutually exclusive - are:
* Moderate lifestyle changes. This is the Japan approach - "with corona" - little bits of reengineering of shops and meeting spaces life mostly continues as normal. It's still tough on social venues, since at best they have to reduce capacity, but the economy is nothing like "closed". It gets easier to do this more effectively and less disruptively as we learn more about how the virus spreads
* Very fast, cheap testing, and a good process for isolating people who test positive. It's hard to make testing useful beyond known clusters because hardly anyone has got the virus (so lots of effort to find each case) and you're probably spreading it as soon as you're testing positive (or sooner), so you may need to be testing *very* frequently to get decent effects, but this feels like the kind of thing you could do cheaply at scale. You can also focus this on the places most at risk of spreading - for example, Tokyo is still having trouble with cases in bars, host/hostess clubs and brothels, so even though they're not doing much testing generally, they're doing a lot of proactive testing there.
* Better treatment - treatment is gradually improving, and there could be bigger breakthroughs0 -
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I knew he wouldn't be voting for Trump, but hell hath no fury like a Neocon scorned.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1274836717573464065?s=200 -
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1274855702222209024?s=20Theuniondivvie said:I knew he wouldn't be voting for Trump, but hell hath no fury like a Neocon scorned.
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On the "cheap, scalable testing" thing, thread on a (pre-review) paper by boffins at Columbia University, they reckon they've got a reliable test that can produce fairly accurate results from a saliva sample in 30 minutes, using just a little centrifuge and a heater.
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/hdcqda/fielddeployable_rapid_diagnostic_testing_of/1 -
Nobody here claims to be "a" BLM whatever that is as far as I see, whereas plenty have been telling us how wearing a swastika would be a bit of a Sid-type laff compared to saying "workers of the world unite".brokenwheel said:
Weird how the forum "anti-racists" suddenly aren't interested.eadric said:Yah, OK, like y'know, BLM is a bit anti-Semitic, OK a lot anti-Semitic, OK kinda Nazi, but hey, like, who cares, right now, uh, like, is that raaaallly an isshooo here?
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What a useless political party. Forget new horizons, this will be the Brexit of brown Windsor soup and the great British sausage.HYUFD said:3 -
This isn't isolated, plenty of recent polls have been showing big enthusiasm gaps.HYUFD said:
Fox poll
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/Fox_June-13-16-2020_National_Topline_June-18-Release.pdf
Enthusiasm for your candidate to win / Fear the other candidate might win / (Don’t know)
13-16 Jun 20
Biden supporters 31% / 63% / 5%
Trump supporters 62% / 33% / 5%
27-29 Sep 16
Clinton supporters 44% / 54% / 2%
Trump supporters 35% / 61% / 4%
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Economist/YouGov
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/vgqowgynze/econTabReport.pdf
Enthusiastic / Satisfied but not enthusiastic/ Dissatisfied but not upset / Upset / Not sure
Biden supporters
31% / 49% / 15% / 3% / 2%
Trump supporters
68% / 26% / 5% / 2% / 0%
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CNN
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/06/08/rel6a.-.race.and.2020.pdf
June 2-5, 2020 Biden supporters
Vote for Biden / Vote against Trump / No opinion
37% / 60% / 2%
June 2-5, 2020 Trump supporters
Vote for Trump / Vote against Biden / No opinion
70% / 27% / 3%
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http://news.mit.edu/2020/sherlock-based-one-step-test-provides-rapid-sensitive-covid-19-detection-05051 -
I'd like to see this polling rephrased as "enthusiasm that the other candidate might lose"brokenwheel said:
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Thinking that "old" in "a few old statues" is a negative, puts one in mind of BetjemanOllyT said:
You could hear exactly the same sentiments during the Vietnam demonstrations, gay rights demonstrations, poll tax demonstrations, Toxteth riots, etc etc etc.BluestBlue said:
'Outraging your elders' now means tearing down the foundations of our civilization? That's some impressive historical illiteracy you've got going on there...OllyT said:
Students and youngsters have been demonstrating and outraging their elders since time began. All that's changed is that you and Bluesest Blue have morphed into today's "disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". It just hasn't dawned on you yeteadric said:
i completely agree, the problem is once you start an iconoclasm they are very hard to stop until they burn themselves out or self-destruct. Once one graven image is deemed so hateful it must be broken, then why is this almost identical graven image allowed? It cannot be allowed! Burn it down!OllyT said:
Given the massive challenges we are facing on the health, economic and environmental fronts right now all this stuff about statues and "wokeness" has a distinct air of fiddling while Rome burns.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
They have an inner logic and volition.
You are behaving like a superannuated old colonel claiming that moving a few old statues constitutes "tearing down the foundations of our civilisation". Give your head a wobble and actually listen to yourself.
It's a few old statues. At the end of the day half a dozen will end up being moved into a museum where they probably belonged in the first place.
If you are really worried about the future of civilisation you would be better turning your attention to the current pandemic raging across the planet and the economic consequences heading our way.
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We smashed some rotten old pictures that were priceless works of art."0 -
O/T
"The case for taking more risks
Matthew Crawford's new book is one of the most original studies of practical philosophy to be published in years
BY JOHN GRAY"
https://unherd.com/2020/06/the-case-for-taking-more-risks/1 -
And if you believe that, you’ll believe in Santa Claus.Richard_Tyndall said:FPT
Excuse me.brokenwheel said:
Modern Father's day is in part modelled on Mother's day, which was created by Anna Jarvis.Anabobazina said:
Yes it’s Father’s Day, even though that is counterintuitive. You can argue it is a day for an individual - your father. I’d rather it was plural possessive, but it just isn’t.Stark_Dawning said:
COD has it as Father's, presumably as the day dedicated to the father one happens to have.SandyRentool said:
No. It's like All Saints' Day.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, one has the distinct impression a committee was involved there.FrancisUrquhart said:
You would think, but there was probably a 3hr planning meeting to try to ensure any possible avenues of offense was ruled out.MaxPB said:
It's super easy for Labour, just send a picture of Starmer and his kids, if they are ok with being used as props. It's the kind of thing Blair and Dave would do.FrancisUrquhart said:In these woke times, even sending a fathers day tweet is a minefield.
Btw, why the apostrophe? The Day doesn't belong to anyone. So it's simply Fathers Day (the day to think about Fathers). No?
https://web.archive.org/web/20080514130408/http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=c942370c-cdbb-43b2-af59-71ad4b546854In 1912, Jarvis incorporated her own association, trademarked the white carnation and the phrases "second Sunday in May" and "Mother's Day". She was specific about the location of the apostrophe; it was to be a singular possessive, for each family to honour their mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.
It is not 'Mother's Day'. In Britain it is 'Mothering Sunday' and it dates back to the 16th century at least. In Britain it was reinvigorated by Constance Penswick-Smith, daughter of the vicar of Coddington church where my wife and I were married.
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Surely the whole point of the Conservative Party (or one of its whole points, possibly at loggerheads with other whole points) is to conserve ancient practices like restricted Sunday trading, Brown Windsor Soup and the great British sausage. In any case, Europe's leading economy closes Sundays, and if it is good enough for Germany...EPG said:
What a useless political party. Forget new horizons, this will be the Brexit of brown Windsor soup and the great British sausage.HYUFD said:
https://www.berlin.de/en/tourism/travel-information/1740536-2862820-shopping-hours-sunday-shopping.en.html1 -
To the extent he was radicalised in prison, one dreads to think what he might have done after another 14 months.FrancisUrquhart said:The Reading terrorist suspect was only released from prison two weeks ago.after serving less than half of a 28 month sentence.
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Roosevelt was also a eugenicist and a racist, promoting for example sterilisation for various undesirable/inferior groups. Not untypical for Establishment men of his generation.eadric said:
Amazingly, I now think it possible they will attempt to destroy it, as it commemorates:Jonathan said:
Mount Rushmore will present a challenge.eadric said:America is stripping away its history
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1274816919250636801?s=20
Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner: his statues have already come down
George Washington, a slave owner: his statue was toppled in Oregon
Abraham Lincoln, a racist: his statues have been defaced in several places
Theodore Roosevelt: a "colonialist" - his statue is now departing NYC
That's a lot of icons begging to be broken
He, and many others, eg Churchill have been romanticised and ruthlessly exploited by conservative forces. Their reputations will only be (partially) restored when we accept a rounded analysis of their lives, and stop trying to depict them as saints or heroes.3 -
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I love her focus on compassion and empathy. And I wholeheartedly agree that people do tend to think of themselves as either having agency, or being a victim. But you can still believe in agency and eschew personal victimhood, on the one hand, and, on the other, also recognize that the system is prejudiced and the playing field not level and demand something be done to assist those who suffer from both.Sandpit said:Yet another successful and articulate black person distancing herself from those who can only see themselves as victims:
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Your table talks about deaths. Mike and Chris have been talking about people having a really nasty illness and hosptialisation. That counts too.isam said:
Quite a small percentage had no medical conditionsChris said:
Given the 5.4% infection estimate from the ONS (down from the previous one) and the excess death figure of 64,500, the overall fatality rate in the UK is now looking like about 1.8%.isam said:A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.
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There are also significant numbers who get mild disease, but then seem to suffer various kinds of long lasting post viral syndromes along 5he lines of severe ME.eristdoof said:
Your table talks about deaths. Mike and Chris have been talking about people having a really nasty illness and hosptialisation. That counts too.isam said:
Quite a small percentage had no medical conditionsChris said:
Given the 5.4% infection estimate from the ONS (down from the previous one) and the excess death figure of 64,500, the overall fatality rate in the UK is now looking like about 1.8%.isam said:A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.
To my mind the idea that the virus is something that only people with medical conditions need to be worried about became untenable quite a while ago.
This is for now poorly understood, and we have no idea for how long it might last.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/0 -
Also "underlying conditions" are very common in the general population. 50% of over 65's in the UK have hypertension for example.eristdoof said:
Your table talks about deaths. Mike and Chris have been talking about people having a really nasty illness and hosptialisation. That counts too.isam said:
Quite a small percentage had no medical conditionsChris said:
Given the 5.4% infection estimate from the ONS (down from the previous one) and the excess death figure of 64,500, the overall fatality rate in the UK is now looking like about 1.8%.isam said:A moving header. A bug, deadly to those with underlying conditions, floating around everywhere would have been a sci-fi movie a year ago and now it's people's reality. My own father has barely been out in three months and is resigned to a much less sociable life until a vaccine is found.
To my mind the idea that the virus is something that only people with medical conditions need to be worried about became untenable quite a while ago.0
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