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For those that follow Pete Wishart SNP MP on Twitter, this blog post will come as no surprise.
Alex Massie in the Spectator Blogs - Scottish Nationalists have become Masters of Doublethink0 -
Maybe you should try reading what he actually said, rather than how the media decides to report it.Smarmeron said:@corporeal
You think it's bad with the polls?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27474099
I thought last night that he had apologised0 -
No he never apologised that was @ScottP retweeting other people's misunderstandingsSmarmeron said:@corporeal
You think it's bad with the polls?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27474099
I thought last night that he had apologised0 -
Nick Robinson in BBC blog - UKIP - The Millwall of British politics?0
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I spoke to my step-mother last night, and she tells me that she can't vote for Farage because he 'swills beer'. She agrees with everything that he's ever said that is reactionary and stupid, but the odd glass of beer in his hand rules him out entirely.
I almost feel glad that we live in a sort of shadow-oligarchy.
However, I cannot express the anger I feel that because of the stupidity exhibited amongst the people it should necessarily be so.
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Ah Mr Wishart , crazier than all the paving in Perthshire.fitalass said:For those that follow Pete Wishart SNP MP on Twitter, this blog post will come as no surprise.
Alex Massie in the Spectator Blogs - Scottish Nationalists have become Masters of Doublethink0 -
Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.0
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violent fruitcakes on the slide. 67% of voters don't support UKIP whereas 20% positively back Cameron.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
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In a hopeful moment this afternoon I put £5 on UKIP in Gower @ 100-1, so they need a strong EU result in Wales to stop me from feeling too silly!Sean_F said:
Thanks. That shows Labour +12%, UKIP +10%, Conservative down 6%, compared to 2009; very much in line with the Yougov's national picture.anotherDave said:
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-05-19/poll-suggests-tight-european-election-battle/Sean_F said:Any news about he Welsh poll?
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/gower/
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Just seen his piece w Farage on BBC News.. ended it by saying we all know what Millwalls song is... "No one loves us, we dont care"fitalass said:Nick Robinson in BBC blog - UKIP - The Millwall of British politics?
Its "No one likes us, we dont care"
Seriously how sloppy is that? Its not difficult to find out. He is meant to be the BBCs top man
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Fantastic article by Janan Ganesh on Ed Miliband and Labour's current position:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7f80a3e6-df47-11e3-86a4-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk#axzz32BUb4yRT
"Intellectual self-confidence is boundless curiosity anchored by some basic beliefs. Mr Miliband forgot about the boundless curiosity part. It is obvious that when he says intellectual self-confidence, he really means ideological commitment.
This is something very different and much less impressive. Any fool can believe stuff very intensely. The British left used to roll around laughing as George W Bush blundered his way through his US presidency with self-justifying “conviction”.
Last autumn Mr Miliband electrified voters by promising to freeze their utility bills. It was a victory from which he has never recovered. He took it as a cue to announce one statist idea after another, each of which has had less political purchase than the last. Rent controls, guaranteed doctor appointments within 48 hours, lower university fees. There is no gain in the polls but the announcements keep coming: interventionist noises on rail fares, a protectionist line on foreign takeovers, a minimum wage linked to average earnings. He is engaged in the political equivalent of pushing on a piece of string.
Labour can summon charts illustrating the popularity of these policies but this only proves the point. When voters fail to reward a party for proposing a policy they like, it is because they expect nothing less from that party. This is why the Tories do not add votes with euroscepticism. It is priced in to their reputation. It is not news."
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Very good. Pretty much bang on the money.antifrank said:Fantastic article by Janan Ganesh on Ed Miliband and Labour's current position:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7f80a3e6-df47-11e3-86a4-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk#axzz32BUb4yRT
"Intellectual self-confidence is boundless curiosity anchored by some basic beliefs. Mr Miliband forgot about the boundless curiosity part. It is obvious that when he says intellectual self-confidence, he really means ideological commitment.
This is something very different and much less impressive. Any fool can believe stuff very intensely. The British left used to roll around laughing as George W Bush blundered his way through his US presidency with self-justifying “conviction”.
Last autumn Mr Miliband electrified voters by promising to freeze their utility bills. It was a victory from which he has never recovered. He took it as a cue to announce one statist idea after another, each of which has had less political purchase than the last. Rent controls, guaranteed doctor appointments within 48 hours, lower university fees. There is no gain in the polls but the announcements keep coming: interventionist noises on rail fares, a protectionist line on foreign takeovers, a minimum wage linked to average earnings. He is engaged in the political equivalent of pushing on a piece of string.
Labour can summon charts illustrating the popularity of these policies but this only proves the point. When voters fail to reward a party for proposing a policy they like, it is because they expect nothing less from that party. This is why the Tories do not add votes with euroscepticism. It is priced in to their reputation. It is not news."
"Last autumn Mr Miliband electrified voters by promising to freeze their utility bills. It was a victory from which he has never recovered. He took it as a cue to announce one statist idea after another, each of which has had less political purchase than the last."
Inarguable, surely.
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LOL, Tories , who have more faces than the town clock , you cannot beat them , always snivelling when they are not lying through their teeth.fitalass said:For those that follow Pete Wishart SNP MP on Twitter, this blog post will come as no surprise.
Alex Massie in the Spectator Blogs - Scottish Nationalists have become Masters of Doublethink0 -
I know what we can expect on Thursday. A huge humbling of the Lib Dems and Tories - and possibly Labour too - at the hands of UKIP. Hopefully it will go our way and by the time the general election campaign rolls round, the media will have got its fixation with negative UKIP stories out its system.antifrank said:UKIP are piling up those good news stories. All day we've had "UKIP leader not racist". Now we have "UKIP by-election candidate not arrested following altercation."
What can we expect tomorrow?0 -
Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!0
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Good piece by Ganesh.antifrank said:Fantastic article by Janan Ganesh on Ed Miliband and Labour's current position:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7f80a3e6-df47-11e3-86a4-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk#axzz32BUb4yRT
"Intellectual self-confidence is boundless curiosity anchored by some basic beliefs. Mr Miliband forgot about the boundless curiosity part. It is obvious that when he says intellectual self-confidence, he really means ideological commitment.
This is something very different and much less impressive. Any fool can believe stuff very intensely. The British left used to roll around laughing as George W Bush blundered his way through his US presidency with self-justifying “conviction”.
Last autumn Mr Miliband electrified voters by promising to freeze their utility bills. It was a victory from which he has never recovered. He took it as a cue to announce one statist idea after another, each of which has had less political purchase than the last. Rent controls, guaranteed doctor appointments within 48 hours, lower university fees. There is no gain in the polls but the announcements keep coming: interventionist noises on rail fares, a protectionist line on foreign takeovers, a minimum wage linked to average earnings. He is engaged in the political equivalent of pushing on a piece of string.
Labour can summon charts illustrating the popularity of these policies but this only proves the point. When voters fail to reward a party for proposing a policy they like, it is because they expect nothing less from that party. This is why the Tories do not add votes with euroscepticism. It is priced in to their reputation. It is not news."0 -
I don't see why you say either of those. The poll looks bang in line with what you might expect from ComRes - the last one, showing the 11-point lead, always looked the odd one out. And a good UKIP performance and poor Tory one is already baked into expectations. What's more, Cameron is hardly in deep do-dos when GE polls show that the Labour lead is crumbling.BobaFett said:
More evidence that the polls have gone barking mad. If that's the result on Thursday, Cameron is in deep do-dos.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
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Man bags are evil. If you can't get it in your pocket, don't take it.malcolmg said:
Alan , horrendous news, its not properAlanbrooke said:
here in the Midlands I'd never go out without a manbag, I put it down to blogging too much with Richard Nabavi.malcolmg said:
Alan, LOL, Not in Ayrshire they don't , it is still a hanging offence here.Alanbrooke said:
And I write this on a bag when I am actually carrying a man bag. A rare event as I usually leave it wherever I have been going.0 -
Alex Wickham @WikiGuido 2h
Remarkable hypocrisy RT @GuidoFawkes: Quote of the Day is shamed race row Diane “Divide and Rule” Abbott on Farage: http://guyfawk.es/1vtceRz0 -
I don't think UKIP (or any party) will above 30%. The various micro-parties will eat into the bigger parties' vote shares. IMHO, it will be UKIP and Labour on 25-30%, Conservatives on 20-25%.BobaFett said:
More evidence that the polls have gone barking mad. If that's the result on Thursday, Cameron is in deep do-dos. But it won't be. I think.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
One detail of the poll must hurt. More than twice as many people think Nigel Farage is a global statesman as think the same of Nick Clegg.
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Sean, I think the technical term is 'ouch'.Sean_F said:
I don't think UKIP (or any party) will above 30%. The various micro-parties will eat into the bigger parties' vote shares. IMHO, it will be UKIP and Labour on 25-30%, Conservatives on 20-25%.BobaFett said:
More evidence that the polls have gone barking mad. If that's the result on Thursday, Cameron is in deep do-dos. But it won't be. I think.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
One detail of the poll must hurt. More than twice as many people think Nigel Farage is a global statesman as think the same of Nick Clegg.
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Yes, that's my expectation, with UKIP towards the upper end of your 25%-30% band and Labour towards the lower.Sean_F said:
I don't think UKIP (or any party) will above 30%. The various micro-parties will eat into the bigger parties' vote shares. IMHO, it will be UKIP and Labour on 25-30%, Conservatives on 20-25%.0 -
I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.0
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And what she said was undeniably racist. Can you imagine if Farage had actually said "[Race X] love to do [bad thing Y]".isam said:Alex Wickham @WikiGuido 2h
Remarkable hypocrisy RT @GuidoFawkes: Quote of the Day is shamed race row Diane “Divide and Rule” Abbott on Farage: http://guyfawk.es/1vtceRz0 -
Alas, the bookies are wise to that one!BobaFett said:I will wait until a week after the Euros before placing any bets.
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I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.0 -
You're a partner, a graduate carries it for you.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
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Also, I'll do a polling round up on the ComRes/ITV poll later on this evening when I get back home, and when I've waded through the ComRes tables to see if this polling is comparable to the ComRes polling released over the weekend for the Indy on Sunday and Sunday Mirror
(Anyone want to do a huge favour for me, and see if the polls are comparable or not, your reward will be able to choose the band that is referenced in the next nighthawks)0 -
Man bags are where you put your CV before you go to the recruitment consultant. What you do with the CV and man bag after is personal taste.0
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The worst thing about having female trainees is that you feel obliged on grounds of chivalry to carry your own bags.Alanbrooke said:
You're a partner, a graduate carries it for you.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
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It's good to see people from an Asian background integrate into our metrosexual ways TSE. I even see it as I drive though Sparkbrook most mornings. There is a shop called Butt News which I assume must be for the muslim gay community ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.0 -
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
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Heard a bit of the PM today - quite a lot unsaid between his first "but look" and his second "but look".
Meanwhile on one topic or another, good piece by Ganesh yes agree. I think that what with all the economic aggregates and GDP forecasts and so forth and St. George it's easy to forget that for many years we lived in a world of the now laughable self-certifiable mortgages, loan leaflets dropping through the letterbox daily, naught percent finance deals, buy now pay later, repayment holidays, etc, etc and that indebtedness, although much reduced, remains both in actual household debt and, more importantly, the mindset of the citizens of the UK.
To wean people off has been and continues to be painful and if someone, the Labour Party for example, comes along and says "we can sort this out for you, don't you worry, let us handle it", implying that we can return to those "good old days" they are pushing at an open door.0 -
The worst thing about marrying a female graduate is they oblige you to carry their bags whilst lecturing you on sexism.antifrank said:
The worst thing about having female trainees is that you feel obliged on grounds of chivalry to carry your own bags.Alanbrooke said:
You're a partner, a graduate carries it for you.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
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Eight hundred and forty five pounds?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.0 -
As someone who has frequented gay clubs for the last 15 years, I was the only Asian in The Village as it were, I was the object of curiosity, and not because of my shoes.Alanbrooke said:
It's good to see people from an Asian background integrate into our metrosexual ways TSE. I even see it as I drive though Sparkbrook most mornings. There is a shop called Butt News which I assume must be for the muslim gay community ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.
As someone put it to me "We don't get many of you around here"
I'm delighted to say the Muslim gay community is growing.
Also, I don't think I could be any more metrosexual0 -
Yeah, Louis Vutton one, as I said, 'twas an impulse purchase.isam said:
Eight hundred and forty five pounds?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.
Kinda looks like this
http://www.louisvuitton.co.uk/front/#/eng_GB/Collections/Men/Mens-Bags/products/District-MM-DAMIER-EBENE-N412120 -
I'm beginning to feel very old.
I've not yet voted Ukip but already I'm feeling more Kipperish by the day.
The Scudamore e-mail story gets more ludicrous by the minute. A temporary PA goes through his private e-mails looking for dirt to sell to a newspaper. Finds some stuff, sells it ... cue screeching from from the usual suspects.
FA lets him off with reprimand as the woman who received them wasn't bothered. But that's not good enough. Long interview with a bed wetter from the Guardian on R5L, then persistent questioning about the story to Cameron who has better things to do.
All we need is that woman from Rotherham council on telly, then I'll know it's all a plot.
A plot by Ukip to add another 2% to their poll lead. Perhaps they don't need my vote.
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I suggest you have a night out with malcolmG, he wears a skirt you know.TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone who has frequented gay clubs for the last 15 years, I was the only Asian in The Village as it were, I was the object of curiosity, and not because of my shoes.Alanbrooke said:
It's good to see people from an Asian background integrate into our metrosexual ways TSE. I even see it as I drive though Sparkbrook most mornings. There is a shop called Butt News which I assume must be for the muslim gay community ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.
As someone put it to me "We don't get many of you around here"
I'm delighted to say the Muslim gay community is growing.
Also, I don't think I could be any more metrosexual0 -
If you could get sacked for emails that contained innuendoes, I'd be getting sacked every day.CD13 said:I'm beginning to feel very old.
I've not yet voted Ukip but already I'm feeling more Kipperish by the day.
The Scudamore e-mail story gets more ludicrous by the minute. A temporary PA goes through his private e-mails looking for dirt to sell to a newspaper. Finds some stuff, sells it ... cue screeching from from the usual suspects.
FA lets him off with reprimand as the woman who received them wasn't bothered. But that's not good enough. Long interview with a bed wetter from the Guardian on R5L, then persistent questioning about the story to Cameron who has better things to do.
All we need is that woman from Rotherham council on telly, then I'll know it's all a plot.
A plot by Ukip to add another 2% to their poll lead. Perhaps they don't need my vote.
You may find this hard to swallow, but about 69% of my work emails contain innuendoes.0 -
BlimeyTheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, Louis Vutton one, as I said, 'twas an impulse purchase.isam said:
Eight hundred and forty five pounds?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.
Kinda looks like this
http://www.louisvuitton.co.uk/front/#/eng_GB/Collections/Men/Mens-Bags/products/District-MM-DAMIER-EBENE-N41212
IS this what you were after?
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 3m
The full data tables for today's Ashcroft National Poll are available on my polling website: http://bit.ly/1oIOsiw
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Reading today's thread: seems like there's a lot of hubris about.0
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I also think a big part of it is simply old fashioned values on Farage's part. He believes it's part of a politician's job to put his views out there, so when offered a big interview, even with a tough interviewer, he'll accept it. And I'm sure he'll answer the questions straight on without evasion either, as he did on the LBC interview, without negotiating with the broadcaster beforehand about what he will and won't talk about. It's all very pre-Tony Blair, and that's a reason a lot of people like him so much. The voters can sense authenticity, and he's the only one of the main four leaders that has it.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be0 -
The most expensive man bag was 4k and they do suitcases that start at 18kisam said:
BlimeyTheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, Louis Vutton one, as I said, 'twas an impulse purchase.isam said:
Eight hundred and forty five pounds?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was raised in Yorkshire, lived and worked in London for five years, now reside back oop North and I carry a man bag.antifrank said:I live in what I must now regard as Shoreditch and am constantly labelled as a metropolitan on here. I have never owned nor carried a manbag in my life.
The only I carry and use it, is because I like to keep my iPad in it.
And also I spent £845 on my man bag (impulse purchase, damn me for working and living so close to a Selfrirdges) so I want to get value out of it.
Kinda looks like this
http://www.louisvuitton.co.uk/front/#/eng_GB/Collections/Men/Mens-Bags/products/District-MM-DAMIER-EBENE-N41212
IS this what you were after?
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 3m
The full data tables for today's Ashcroft National Poll are available on my polling website: http://bit.ly/1oIOsiw
No it's the Comres ITV poll vs ComRes IoS poll.
It's ok, I'll be able to find it out0 -
I don't have a suit worth £845, let alone a bag. Computers and engagement rings are the only portable goods I'd consider spending that sort of money on.0
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Nice spot TP ..... purely as a trading bet.Tissue_Price said:A wild and woolly World Cup bet...
Switzerland @ 160 (or stick an order in at 170) on Betfair. They're not seeded for nothing, having qualified impressively easily, if unspectacularly. They were the only side to beat Spain at the last WC.
Group E features only Ecuador, France & Honduras. France are a horrible 27 on Betfair, having squeaked in via the playoffs; this bet is essentially taking them on. Ecuador regularly flatter to deceive, racking up most of their results at altitude in Quito. And Honduras are 1000/1 shots, having qualified from the weakest section, CONCACAF.
If all goes well for Switzerland (!) they will come up against the runner-up from Argentina's group (Bosnia/Iran/Nigeria) in the 2nd round, so you've got a very fair chance of the quarter-finals. At which point, if not before, I'd recommend taking some profits.
BTW Betdaq have Switzerland marginally better priced at 162 pre-comm'n.0 -
The smears against Nigel Farage & UKIP have reached spectacular depths
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/05/the-smears-against-nigel-farage-and-ukip-have-reached-spectacular-depths/0 -
get married, you'll have a bag for life.Socrates said:I don't have a suit worth £845, let alone a bag.
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Every member of UKIP could reveal themselves to be not on-board with gay marriage and support the right to broadcast early recordings of ‘The Sun has got his hat on’ on regional radio, yet still the questions of why Britain is no longer in control of its own border policy or law-making would remain unanswered by the main political parties.
How true. The patheticness of the media in how these stories go Conservative HQ --> The Guardian --> the BBC is truly appalling.0 -
The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
TSE,
"If you could get sacked for emails that contained innuendoes, I'd be getting sacked every day."
Bravo. As long as no one is upset.
As a union rep, I had to defend someone on that charge. All his e-mails were combed through but the worst was one of mine to him when I joked about it.
He got off, but he spent many sleepless nights fretting about it.
And as I was approaching retirement, incorrigible, and the union rep, they looked the other way. But I lost no sleep over it.
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I am really looking forward to the Indyref.malcolmg said:
LOL, Tories , who have more faces than the town clock , you cannot beat them , always snivelling when they are not lying through their teeth.fitalass said:For those that follow Pete Wishart SNP MP on Twitter, this blog post will come as no surprise.
Alex Massie in the Spectator Blogs - Scottish Nationalists have become Masters of Doublethink
If the vote is YES I can hope for greater chances of permanent Tory majority in Westminster.
If the vote is NO then I will be pleased that the union has survived.
So something to celebrate either way. But above all maybe we can hope that the miserable, whining Nats will shut up for a few years.
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I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
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I remember the "Nick Clegg is a Nazi" and "Nick Clegg is a Commie" from 2010 by newspapers, just because he was in the lead in the polls. Problem this time is newspapers can pour mud but not many people these days read them and those that do are old rightwingers like most of UKIP.isam said:The smears against Nigel Farage & UKIP have reached spectacular depths
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/05/the-smears-against-nigel-farage-and-ukip-have-reached-spectacular-depths/0 -
There are legitimate criticisms to be made of UKIP. The party is amateurish, a small minority of its candidates are idiots, it's prone to faction-fighting, and Nigel Farage does have a regrettable tendency to fall out with prominent members of the party.isam said:The smears against Nigel Farage & UKIP have reached spectacular depths
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/05/the-smears-against-nigel-farage-and-ukip-have-reached-spectacular-depths/
But then, there are the stupid and/or malicious criticisms that have been levelled at the party, and which can only be considered smears. It hires foreign workers; Mrs. Farage is German; Mr. Farage is an adulterer; MEPs are expected to donate a proportion of their salaries to the party; the party wants to legalise marital rape; Bill Etherington is linked to a whole array of far-right organisations on Facebook etc. etc.
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Ha I dont ask strangers in the street (except two blokes last week when I dleivered leaflets, and they volunteered the info)! My mates dont want rid of me, and neither do my familyBond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
UKIP must have a big chance of taking Havering council on Thursday IMO
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One of the main reasons people are voting UKIP is that people are sick to death of our establishment trying to force us not to discuss certain issues or even think the "wrong" way about them. Most ordinary people, without a political agenda, would not have seen Farage's comments as racist and not a few would concur with them.Socrates said:
I also think a big part of it is simply old fashioned values on Farage's part. He believes it's part of a politician's job to put his views out there, so when offered a big interview, even with a tough interviewer, he'll accept it. And I'm sure he'll answer the questions straight on without evasion either, as he did on the LBC interview, without negotiating with the broadcaster beforehand about what he will and won't talk about. It's all very pre-Tony Blair, and that's a reason a lot of people like him so much. The voters can sense authenticity, and he's the only one of the main four leaders that has it.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
They resent far more the fact that the whole subject has been made taboo and people are forced to walk on eggshells the whole time. They also see a man being viciously bullied for daring to question the emperors choice of garments.
I think the establishment and media have made a huge own goal on this one and this affair will increase UKIP's vote.
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I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
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Ergo the left have Labour, the liberals have the Conservatives and the right UKIP. Its 3 party politics with the tories in the middle.Socrates said:
I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
Romford Conservatives are a flaming shit sandwich. I think that the council will go to NOC. It's possible that UKIP and various Residents' Associations could form an administration.isam said:
Ha I dont ask strangers in the street (except two blokes last week when I dleivered leaflets, and they volunteered the info)! My mates dont want rid of me, and neither do my familyBond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
UKIP must have a big chance of taking Havering council on Thursday IMO
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Certainly Nigel has guts - Paxo is bound to have all his ducks in a row for this interview.Socrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
That said, Newsnight only has a tiny audience these days.0 -
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Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be0 -
Killer point on trust:
Trustworthy by ComRes by home party 2010 vote:
Cameron 39%
Miliband 45%
Clegg 18%0 -
The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.Speedy said:
Ergo the left have Labour, the liberals have the Conservatives and the right UKIP. Its 3 party politics with the tories in the middle.Socrates said:
I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
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It's your inner kipper trying to break out.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.0 -
Another killer:
Has right policies by ComRes:
2010 CON: Cameron 51%, Farage 23%
2010 LAB : Miliband 49%, don't know 30%
2010 LD: Don't know 37%, 4 way fight between Cameron, Milliband, Farage and Clegg on 20-12%.
By euro voting intention:
CON: Cameron 80%
LAB: Miliband 72%
UKIP: Farage 68%
LD: Clegg 46%
The solidity of UKIP looks ok, LD dire.0 -
That is rather a neat summary, Mr. Socrates. I think you could perhaps have added a sentence on their general incompetence (save perhaps Gove at education) and their leadership's utter disdain for ordinary people whose votes, oddly enough, they need.Socrates said:
The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.Speedy said:
Ergo the left have Labour, the liberals have the Conservatives and the right UKIP. Its 3 party politics with the tories in the middle.Socrates said:
I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
Shocking polling results, Farage beats Milliband as leader most likely to be considered weird.
Farage 31%
Miliband 23%
Clegg 9%
Cameron 7%0 -
German beer is ace.Alanbrooke said:
It's your inner kipper trying to break out.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.
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Ha Mr llama retract that immediately or Ed Miliband will get elected and we'll have gulags in Hastings. ( though how we'd notice is anyone's guess ).HurstLlama said:
That is rather a neat summary, Mr. Socrates. I think you could perhaps have added a sentence on their general incompetence (save perhaps Gove at education) and their leadership's utter disdain for ordinary people whose votes, oddly enough, they need.Socrates said:
The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.Speedy said:
Ergo the left have Labour, the liberals have the Conservatives and the right UKIP. Its 3 party politics with the tories in the middle.Socrates said:
I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
yes really good, however having lived in the South I acquired the taste for wheat beer which not all drinkers like.SouthamObserver said:
German beer is ace.Alanbrooke said:
It's your inner kipper trying to break out.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.0 -
Tables for YouGov/ITV Wales poll.
http://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/wp-content/uploads/sites/100/2014/05/May-2014.pdf0 -
Germany as a country is both weird and ace. The more time I spend there the more I like it. It is a sign of how bad things have got with the Nanny state in the UK that I can go to Germany and still be very pleasantly surprised by the common sense lack of overt health and safety or Nannying.SouthamObserver said:
German beer is ace.Alanbrooke said:
It's your inner kipper trying to break out.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.
In April I was in the Black Forest commenting on the fact there are still adverts all over the place on billboards for cigarettes and alcohol and there are cigarettes on sale at the checkouts in supermarkets in the same place we would normally have batteries or chocolate.
They certainly seem to treat their people as consenting adults far more than we do in the UK.0 -
Blimey. The comparisons with the Papal Visit just keep piling up.fitalass said:Nick Robinson in BBC blog - UKIP - The Millwall of British politics?
Almost immediately after the Papal Visit, I went on a drinking trip to Broadstairs and we sang the same tune but with "Catholics" substituted for "Millwall".
The reason why the Papal Visit was a success and Protest the Pope such an abysmal failure was that Catholics started saying what they were for, whereas the protesters kept saying what they were against, but failed to give a positive reason for turning up to their events.
Stay strong Ukippers.0 -
I don't think that'll improve the flavour.Alanbrooke said:
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.
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Just back from the memorial service for a great man and a great friend. Born into not quite poverty, died not quite rich but helped and inspired so many people on the way. An extraordinary, ordinary, man whose friends and admirers filled Chichester Cathedral this afternoon - probably a 1,000 plus people, each an everyone greeted at the door by his widow (herself an extraordinary lady).
When it comes to measuring success in life, surely that was the acme. A thousand or so people turn up to say thanks and farewell to someone who never held great public office, never made the newspapers, who shunned the limelight and who led by serving those he led.
Puts Cameron and all the other imposters into the shade.0 -
The Euro Election postal ballot paper for London which I completed over the weekend was incredibly long with UKIP virtually at the very foot of an alphabetical list of the parties and their candidates - so much so that one had to open a heavily creased flap to even notice their inclusion on the form.
I wonder how many votes they might lose as a result - and how short sighted of Farage not to have called his party the "Aardvark We Are Not Party" or suchlike.0 -
Abu Hamza found guilty of terrorism. Part of me is appalled that he was in this country for so long and we couldn't convict him, but the rest is happy that that means he gets convicted in a country where prison is a proper punishment.0
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LOLTheuniondivvie said:
I don't think that'll improve the flavour.Alanbrooke said:
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.0 -
You define 'not liberal' as anything you don't like, which is a curiously selective list.Socrates said:The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.
Have you ever once given Cameron credit for any of the liberal reforms the government has brought in? There's a good assesment here, 9 out of 14 pledges achieved and three in progress
http://cameronsdashboard.co.uk/civil-liberties/
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Isn't that a bit uncomfortable, Mr. Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I hope no one is watching.
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A couple of curiousities from the Euro election campaign.
Has anyone made the positive case for unrestricted immigration from the EU? Is there one?
Nigel Farage has allegedly disparaged an entire race of people, the Romanians. Why haven't well-known Romanian contributors to British society been appearing on TV to refute such base accusations? Are there any?0 -
So the Conservatives in Britain are as liberal as american Democrats.Richard_Nabavi said:
You define 'not liberal' as anything you don't like, which is a curiously selective list.Socrates said:The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.
Have you ever once given Cameron credit for any of the liberal reforms the government has brought in? There's a good assesment here, 9 out of 14 pledges achieved or well underway:
http://cameronsdashboard.co.uk/civil-liberties/
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Ah Mr Pole, glad your back.AveryLP said:
Isn't that a bit uncomfortable, Mr. Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I hope no one is watching.
I've been trying to fill the smear UKIP slot in your absence, but now you're back I can return to smearing Osborne.
he's crap you know.0 -
Alanbrooke said:
violent fruitcakes on the slide. 67% of voters don't support UKIP whereas 20% positively back Cameron.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
lol,nasty smearing tories on the slide.
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Don't be silly, Mr. Brooke. "Gulags for slags" was a Gordon Brown policy (and one of the very few things on which I actually agreed with him). Miliband would never have the gumption to implement it, nor did brown to be fair. Anyway to take your second point, of course we would know if there were gulags in Hastings - someone would just put up a fence around the whole place. The average income and IQ in Sussex would go up immediately. Send in plenty of gin, fried food and pornography and the inhabitants will be quite happy, probably not really notice the difference.Alanbrooke said:
Ha Mr llama retract that immediately or Ed Miliband will get elected and we'll have gulags in Hastings. ( though how we'd notice is anyone's guess ).HurstLlama said:
That is rather a neat summary, Mr. Socrates. I think you could perhaps have added a sentence on their general incompetence (save perhaps Gove at education) and their leadership's utter disdain for ordinary people whose votes, oddly enough, they need.Socrates said:
The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.Speedy said:
Ergo the left have Labour, the liberals have the Conservatives and the right UKIP. Its 3 party politics with the tories in the middle.Socrates said:
I don't really know what the point of the Lib Dems is any more. If you're an elitist, wealthy metropolitan type than you've got the Tories, if you're a pinko leftist you've got Labour, and if you're a sandal-wearing beardy, you've got the Greens.Speedy said:The 4 most key questions about the leaders by ComRes
Most trustworthy: 17% each for Cameron and Miliband.
Out of touch: Cameron by 43%.
Has right policies: 3 way fight between Cameron, Miliband and Farage with 23-16%
Can get things done: Cameron by 28%, Miliband on 16%
Clegg is last on single figures on all questions but out of touch and likeable.0 -
Good guestion, are there any?Ninoinoz said:A couple of curiousities from the Euro election campaign.
Has anyone made the positive case for unrestricted immigration from the EU? Is there one?
Nigel Farage has allegedly disparaged an entire race of people, the Romanians. Why haven't well-known Romanian contributors to British society been appearing on TV to refute such base accusations? Are there any?
My quess is no, if there were any then the media would have already found them in these past 3 months of mud to UKIP mode.
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So you must have been reporting Helmer's henchmen taking on a disabled political opponent in Newark Market Square.Alanbrooke said:
Ah Mr Pole, glad your back.AveryLP said:
Isn't that a bit uncomfortable, Mr. Brooke?Alanbrooke said:
I'm sat here swilling beer in my Lederhosen.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason that has made me want a stein of the finest German beer.Alanbrooke said:
Are you standing in Berchtesgaden your ideological home ?Sean_F said:
I think we can expect UKIP to poll very well in Havering, where Isam lives.Bond_James_Bond said:
They just tell you that to get rid of you.isam said:
I doubt itSocrates said:
Do you think David Cameron would ever be willing to face Paxman on a day of attacks like this?isam said:Maybe the James O'Brien interview was just sparring for Farage.. on Newsnight this evening vs Paxo!
UKIP must believe that all publicity is a net positive.. I know its anecdotal and I live in a strong UKIP area, but everyone I speak to seems to be voting for them. The glossy, airbrushed perfect image everyone presents nowadays on facebook/twitter etc is wearing thin. I dont think being seen to make mistakes or gaffes is as damaging as it used to be
I hope no one is watching.
I've been trying to fill the smear UKIP slot in your absence, but now you're back I can return to smearing Osborne.
he's crap you know.
I am almost as outraged as John Mann MP.
No doubt Socrates will put it all down to media bias.
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TJ there was an afternoon gap in the call UKIP racists programme so I was asked to fill in. But now Avery's back we can all enjoy stories on Nigel's summer job as Grand Wizard of the KKK.Tykejohnno said:Alanbrooke said:
violent fruitcakes on the slide. 67% of voters don't support UKIP whereas 20% positively back Cameron.Sean_F said:Com Res, UKIP 33%, Labour 27%, Conservative 20%, Lib Dem 7%, Green 6%, Others 7%.
lol,nasty smearing tories on the slide.
Anyways you must be bricking it what with Cameron flying high on 20% and closing. It's all support from Scotland I'm told.0 -
Er no. The things that Socrates lists are, almost by definition, the antithesis of liberalism. The one good, unimpeachable thing that Cameron has done was Gay marriage and all it implied for an adult attitude to gays in society. But sadly apart from that his record on civil liberties has been very poor since he came to power.Richard_Nabavi said:
You define 'not liberal' as anything you don't like, which is a curiously selective list.Socrates said:The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with big business on economic matters, government agencies on individual privacy matters, and the PC commentariat on what we're allowed to say on social issues.
Have you ever once given Cameron credit for any of the liberal reforms the government has brought in? There's a good assesment here, 9 out of 14 pledges achieved and three in progress
http://cameronsdashboard.co.uk/civil-liberties/
Before he came to power I would add he was instrumental in defeating a raft of illiberal measures by the former government and again he should be congratulated. It is just a shame that attitude has not been sustained into government.0
