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Tim_B said:

On the good side, as of yesterday (June 1) we are now unlocked, open, and unrestrained, with the exception of social distancing. Everything is open.

Theuniondivvie said:

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1267912658822537216?s=20

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Benpointer said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?

stodge said:

Evening all

Horse racing has returned - it will be interesting to see how betting markets hold up once football returns in the week of Royal Ascot but I suppose the Government thinks those who haven't spent their furlough money at IKEA will gamble it away instead.

More CSF than MDF presumably...

On matters boundary, two extra seats for London but where? As East Ham currently has an electorate of 97.000 I wonder if there will be a new seat carved out of bits of the seat.

The problem is Poplar & Canning Town already has 92,000 electors and West Ham has 98,000 so perhaps a fourth constituency for the area?

MarqueeMark said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Talking yesterday to a chum who is a lifelong enviro-lefty. He really, really dislikes Boris.

BUT the way in which the Left have tried to twist everything to be negative to the government on Covid has go him seriously riled. He was really ranting about it.

This in Grimsby, which Labour has to retake if they want to govern again.

brokenwheel said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1267907970656059392?s=20

Totally not a racial superiority cult.

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Fishing said:

brokenwheel said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1267907970656059392?s=20

Totally not a racial superiority cult.

... nor woke virtue signalling ...

At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...

No, this is mental illness and dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.

You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.

another_richard said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Tim_B said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Joe Biden is a prize wally...

Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

Speaking of wallys, can we add Bill de Blasio to the list?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8377053/Bill-Blasio-says-didnt-know-daughter-arrested-protests.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

The setting of the curfew for 11pm last night was absolutely moronic.

Cuomo offered De Blasio the national guard (Which De Blasio thought uneccesary) and thought his handling of the crisis has been piss poor. He's stopped short of replacing him, just.

Isn't Cuomo equally unimpressed by De Blasio's handling of covid ?

Ave_it said:

noneoftheabove said:

Ave_it said:

Benpointer said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?

Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

Presumably you hold the vast majority of Tory MPs in similar contempt for their parents backgrounds? Or could it be that you just like causing mischief?

It is just possible that some CON MPs may come from wealthy backgrounds. That may be the case for Boris for instance. But the CON MPs and government are trying to do their best for the country and are not anti-working class like LAB are.

Ave_it said:

MarqueeMark said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Talking yesterday to a chum who is a lifelong enviro-lefty. He really, really dislikes Boris.

BUT the way in which the Left have tried to twist everything to be negative to the government on Covid has go him seriously riled. He was really ranting about it.

This in Grimsby, which Labour has to retake if they want to govern again.

I think Lia Nici has a job for life as Grimsby MP if she wants it. Total LAB humiliation in Grimsby 2019. One of the worst LAB individual seat GE outcomes in terms of swing since 1931.

Benpointer said:

Ave_it said:

Benpointer said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?

Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

It wasn't a private school when he passed the 11-plus to get there. Faced with the choice between disrupting his education and paying for him to stay at the school when he was 14 his parents made the same choice most parents would have made.

Starmer may have many faults but he is clearly a self-made man who has achieved what he has through his own talent and drive.

In stark contrast to Johnson, for example.

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Ave_it said:

Benpointer said:

Ave_it said:

Fishing said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.

Yes absolutely Fishing

I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?

Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.

Chris said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Moronic. People aren't afraid to go out because of social distancing. They're afraid to go out because of the risk of catching the virus. Social distancing makes it less likely people will catch the virus. Therefore less afraid.

Ave_it said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Joe Biden is a prize wally...

Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

Americans will not vote for a president seen as soft on crime as Michael Dukakis discovered in 1988, if a criminal is armed then they expect police to respond with force

I think 2020 = 1988 for Biden

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?

Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.

kinabalu said:

Ave_it said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Joe Biden is a prize wally...

Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

Americans will not vote for a president seen as soft on crime as Michael Dukakis discovered in 1988, if a criminal is armed then they expect police to respond with force

I think 2020 = 1988 for Biden

Then you should think a little better.

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Fishing said:

brokenwheel said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1267907970656059392?s=20

Totally not a racial superiority cult.

... nor woke virtue signalling ...

At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...

No, this is mental illness and dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.

You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.

Theuniondivvie said:

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

brokenwheel said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Fishing said:

brokenwheel said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1267907970656059392?s=20

Totally not a racial superiority cult.

... nor woke virtue signalling ...

At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...

No, this is mental illness and dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.

You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.

You must deplore this.

'THE WARSAW GENUFLECTION: WILLY BRANDT’S HISTORIC GESTURE

After the end of the Second World War, diplomatic relations between West Germany and Poland had ceased. In 1970, German Chancellor Willy Brandt travelled to Warsaw and decided to make a historic gesture: in front of the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes, he dropped to his knees in order to beg forgiveness for the crimes of the Nazi era.'

https://www.dhm.de/blog/2016/12/07/392/

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.

That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.

Theuniondivvie said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Free Bird.

Theuniondivvie said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Free Bird.

Theuniondivvie said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Free Bird.

dixiedean said:

Am I the only one who finds the argument that people will choose Boris over SKS because the latter is "too posh" faintly ludicrous?

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Blue Monday?

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.

That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.

1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.

Chris said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Moronic. People aren't afraid to go out because of social distancing. They're afraid to go out because of the risk of catching the virus. Social distancing makes it less likely people will catch the virus. Therefore less afraid.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.

That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.

1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.

This would imply that the business isn't viable in any case if they were thinking of closing - so why should it be kept going for £2,500pm furlough per employee?

dixiedean said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Light my fire.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
Like a Prayer.
How Soon is Now.

Luckyguy1983 said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?

Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.

It was a selective, fee paying donkey sanctuary.

Fishing said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

Blue Monday?

Sweet Child O'Mine?

California Dreamin'

TimT said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Stairway to Heaven....

Excellent, thanks.

Not particularly long, but very distinctive - Money, Pink Floyd

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ave_it said:

Black_Rook said:

MaxPB said:

I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.

That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.

1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.

This would imply that the business isn't viable in any case if they were thinking of closing - so why should it be kept going for £2,500pm furlough per employee?

The business might be viable if it can transition back to normal, it might not be viable if it's pushed out all at once before customers are back to normal.

Pulpstar said:

Dire Straits - Money for nothing
The mighty Maiden - Fear of the Dark;

Luckyguy1983 said:

Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

kinabalu said:

Ave_it said:

Philip_Thompson said:

squareroot2 said:

Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

Indeed.

His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.

I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?

Built on his parents' money?

You sound misguided at best.