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Um, people don't like Cummings because he broke the rules!CarlottaVance said:People who don't like Cummings Don't Like Cummings shocker!
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LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.0 -
Many people hate Cummings because of Brexit. Don't pretend otherwise.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Um, people don't like Cummings because he broke the rules!CarlottaVance said:People who don't like Cummings Don't Like Cummings shocker!
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Dom Cummings wrote an interesting blog post last year about a possible pandemic.
https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/0 -
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
His wife isn't much of a journalist. She thought him ill in bed. I am surprised that she didn't notice that him and the child were the other end of the country.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Um, people don't like Cummings because he broke the rules!CarlottaVance said:People who don't like Cummings Don't Like Cummings shocker!
https://twitter.com/GillMullarkey/status/1263947965049245711?s=192 -
The fact that Ferguson and Cummings broke their own lockdown just shows that they know full well the policy is bollocks and has been imposed for political, not health, reasons.1
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Lol, sure Cummings just some back room worker bee, no real influence.CarlottaVance said:People who don't like Cummings Don't Like Cummings shocker!
https://twitter.com/MatthewdAncona/status/1263948335565733891?s=20
If he was the public face of the UK or Scottish government response (for example) then the case for his resignation would be stronger. Meanwhile Labour will make hay (It's their job) and nothing much will change.
The issue isn't Cummings. It's Johnson.
How is the government going to be able to tell anyone to do anything from now on if there are no consequences? 'Two week quarantine after getting back from holidays' - sure...1 -
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What have Remainers got to do with this?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.0 -
Daily Mail writer (until he moves to the Sun):
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/12639340132171571200 -
Cummings game theories everything apparently. How did this one play out?0
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Russia is the most populous nation in Europe, the USA and Brazil the most populous nations in the Americas so their high number of cases is hardly surprising.Benpointer said:USA, Brazil, Russia and the UK are four of the top five places for Covid-19 cases according to Worldometer.
Is there some kind of correlation between having a populist leader and experiencing a bad Covid-19 outcome? Just asking.
PS Cases rising rapidly in India too.
India is the second most populous nation in the world so is clearly still doing better than expected and their PM, Modi, is a populist. You could say China is too but almost certainly it has covered up a lot0 -
Soubry and Cooper? You're right, what have they got to do with this? But they're whom rottenborough chose to quote.Mexicanpete said:
What have Remainers got to do with this?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
Cummings is a bete noire for these guys.0 -
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Guardian doing this story for six weeks?
Sitting on this for that long takes some nerve. Another paper could have got there.0 -
Different story, different reason.williamglenn said:0 -
Seems to me that the Tory backbenchers will do for Cummings. Not sure they have ever been that happy with him and his attitude.
Night all.
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That doesn't follow. It's really easy, psychologically, for people to reason why they, or their circumstances, are an exception that justifies breaking the rules. Particularly if you are virtuous by agreeing the rules are necessary, so you are careful that breaking them won't cause damage.houndtang said:The fact that Ferguson and Cummings broke their own lockdown just shows that they know full well the policy is bollocks and has been imposed for political, not health, reasons.
It takes a lot of discipline and self-denial to follow the rules, to set an example to others, to do what is right, not because it is easy, but because it is difficult.0 -
We'll see. Questions will be asked, we will see what the answers are.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
Indeed. And there's a difference between saying "I'm an exception because we're both sick simultaneously my children need childcare" and "I'm an exception because that man's wife wants to have sex with me".LostPassword said:
That doesn't follow. It's really easy, psychologically, for people to reason why they, or their circumstances, are an exception that justifies breaking the rules. Particularly if you are virtuous by agreeing the rules are necessary, so you are careful that breaking them won't cause damage.houndtang said:The fact that Ferguson and Cummings broke their own lockdown just shows that they know full well the policy is bollocks and has been imposed for political, not health, reasons.
It takes a lot of discipline and self-denial to follow the rules, to set an example to others, to do what is right, not because it is easy, but because it is difficult.
Any idea they're the same story is laughable. Any parent has had to make difficult decisions in the past regarding children and maybe not always made the best ones. I'm not convinced the right or wrong decision was made here but I know for a fact I would be if the reason was to get your rocks off. That's not the same thing at all.0 -
For those who don't follow twitter until midnight or BBC news 24, tomorrow's papers (and breakfast TV) will be a marmalade dropping moment I reckon.
The backlash from the public who haven't seen Gran for eight weeks has barely begun. The public are going to be fucking furious.
And on that, I really am away to my bed.0 -
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
I agree.rottenborough said:For those who don't follow twitter until midnight or BBC news 24, tomorrow's papers (and breakfast TV) will be a marmalade dropping moment I reckon.
The backlash from the public who haven't seen Gran for eight weeks has barely begun. The public are going to be fucking furious.
And on that, I really am away to my bed.
It's "I've not been able to do X, Y, Z for 2 months, and he thinks he's above the rules?" that will be deadly for Cummings. The outrage will cut across the political spectrum.
The longer he stays, the more damaging for the government.1 -
The fact he even survived is a show of strength.Philip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
He isn't. What he is is more qualified and more skiĺled..He is constructing a case.Philip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
Starmer was the centrist candidate against Long Bailey, Ed Miliband was the left-wing candidate against David MilibandPhilip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.0 -
I think it just proves Starmer is extremely ambitiousPhilip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.2 -
Blair and Brown served in Kinnock's and Smith's shadow cabinets, Cameron served in Howard's shadow cabinet, May served in Hague and IDS and Howard's shadow cabinets.rcs1000 said:
I think it just proves Starmer is extremely ambitiousPhilip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.
If you want to be party leader and then PM it is par for the course
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O/T
Peter Hitchens ruminates on his past life in Oxford, where he still lives.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/05/an-encounter-with-my-past1 -
Oh yes, I think the Spectator almost beat them to it.rottenborough said:Guardian doing this story for six weeks?
Sitting on this for that long takes some nerve. Another paper could have got there.0 -
The fact he stayed means he put his career ahead of taking a stand on anti-semitism in the Labour Party. When the report comes out, excoriating as it is generally expected to be, remember this: he stood by Corbyn.Monkeys said:
The fact he even survived is a show of strength.Philip_Thompson said:
What makes someone who was prepared to serve in Corbyn's Cabinet a more centrist leader than Ed Milliband?HYUFD said:
To be fair Starmer is the closest to a moderate centrist leader Labour have had since Blair and Browndixiedean said:
Indeed. Sometimes ranting zealots actually see themselves as moderate Centrists.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL I'm not sure why quoting two Remain Zealots who hate Cummings, quit the Tory Party and joined the Lib Dems over Brexit being critical of Cummings is meaningful?rottenborough said:
There is a very challenging case for Cummings to answer and I actually agree with what Labour have said so far - an explanation is needed. But having ranting zealots rant against him just makes it look partisan.
That said there are serious questions to be answered here. Starmer, who is not a moderate Centrist, will ask them.
I doubt they will be answered.1 -
"Britons do not want to go back into work because they fear the lockdown is being eased too quickly – and they enjoy being at home, a poll revealed last night.
The survey was a setback for Boris Johnson, illustrating the uphill task he faces to bring the nation’s moribund economy back to life quickly.
It showed that on average people have more money in their pockets than when the lockdown started – with public-sector workers gaining the most."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8349223/Coronaphobia-grips-nation-Britons-fear-lockdown-eased-rapidly.html0 -
If accurate - toast.0
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What a pretentious loud of shit....just wasted 3 minutes of my life because I thought I would get the connection with OxfordAndy_JS said:O/T
Peter Hitchens ruminates on his past life in Oxford, where he still lives.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/05/an-encounter-with-my-past0 -
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