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Close to first!0
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The government is Cummings apart. It’s Dom and dusted.0
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How's Watford?Ave_it said:0 -
Still top TY!squareroot2 said:
How's Watford?Ave_it said:
Hopefully we can stay up
Hope you are well0 -
Silly boy.0
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PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.0
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Lock him up.0
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FPT
More and more Starmer is starting to look like the only grownup in the room.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Unsurprising, really.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
One chunk probably hate what he's done to the party.
One chunk probably blame him for the ongoing lockdown.
But he's so central to the Boris project that we're in for a weekend of irresistible force vs immovable object. But if he's not gone by this time tomorrow, the Sunday papers will be grisly.0 -
I tend to agree with this.CarlottaVance said:And he's off......so the Russians who go to Greece for a holiday won't be any bother?
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1263864827535032320?s=20
I would have much stricter quarantines - as in people have to stay in quarantine hotels, not "go home by public transport and then stay there" - for people from higher risk countries, and then more modest checks for people who come from places where CV-19 is broadly under control.
My biggest objection to the government through all of this is a lack of nuance.1 -
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.0 -
Meh.0
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Classic Dom.0
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I'm sure he's war-gamed this.El_Capitano said:Classic Dom.
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People like Jenrick on a personal.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
Although to be fair as someone once put it, 'Dominic Cummings has no enemies, only his friends hate him.'1 -
Oh wow - the Sunday papers! What are they doing to do, use stern language?Stuartinromford said:
Unsurprising, really.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
One chunk probably hate what he's done to the party.
One chunk probably blame him for the ongoing lockdown.
But he's so central to the Boris project that we're in for a weekend of irresistible force vs immovable object. But if he's not gone by this time tomorrow, the Sunday papers will be grisly.0 -
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.0
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Perhaps Dom was trying to ensure we have herd immunity.1
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I care as much about Dom seeing his mum as I do about Sandy’s nightly ‘dickhead’ reports about people leaving the house and doing exercise. Ditto the Boffing Boffin.
Let’s move on.
The lockdown is over.1 -
BoZo will tough it out until the point of maximum damage then fold.
Like he did with the NHS tax.1 -
Do we know who his new chief of staff is?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
The mere fact that they haven’t yet caused a major scandal or royally messed up simple politics puts them a class apart from Seumas.1 -
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
As if Dominic Cummings would let the deputy Prime Minister bring him down.0
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His entire staff seems to be - presumably - uncontroversial, since the Mail has dug up nothing.ydoethur said:
Do we know who his new chief of staff is?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
The mere fact that they haven’t yet caused a major scandal or royally messed up simple politics puts them a class apart from Seumas.0 -
Boris should tough it out over Dom. The last thing we need is another scalp.ydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.2 -
More likely he reasoned that viruses don’t affect bacteria.TheScreamingEagles said:Perhaps Dom was trying to ensure we have herd immunity.
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IIRC Jenrick got away with it because he was delivering a parcel and did not go into his parents' house.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
It is not clear whether Cummings may have visited or indeed stayed with his parents. More damningly, however, he appears to have traversed the length of England during a period when he should have been self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms.
Calderwood and Ferguson were both brought down for less.0 -
If he had it and still went out that's far more serious.Black_Rook said:
IIRC Jenrick got away with it because he was delivering a parcel and did not go into his parents' house.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
It is not clear whether Cummings may have visited or indeed stayed with his parents. More damningly, however, he appears to have traversed the length of England during a period when he should have been self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms.
Calderwood and Ferguson were both brought down for less.0 -
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
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THis one’s a special case.Mexicanpete said:
Boris should tough it out over Dom. The last thing we need is another scalp.ydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
Indeed. Found myself checking my temperature and wondering about self-isolating this lunchtime when it dawned that I was listening to David Davis whilst thinking "He's talking sense."rcs1000 said:
I tend to agree with this.CarlottaVance said:And he's off......so the Russians who go to Greece for a holiday won't be any bother?
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1263864827535032320?s=20
I would have much stricter quarantines - as in people have to stay in quarantine hotels, not "go home by public transport and then stay there" - for people from higher risk countries, and then more modest checks for people who come from places where CV-19 is broadly under control.
My biggest objection to the government through all of this is a lack of nuance.0 -
Who? Oh, the temp leader of the Minibus Party. Yeah, we should really listen to him.Scott_xP said:0 -
There was a moral dimension to Ferguson's exit.Black_Rook said:
IIRC Jenrick got away with it because he was delivering a parcel and did not go into his parents' house.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
It is not clear whether Cummings may have visited or indeed stayed with his parents. More damningly, however, he appears to have traversed the length of England during a period when he should have been self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms.
Calderwood and Ferguson were both brought down for less.0 -
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.1 -
Not really.CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
He is applying common sense and of course he has plenty to go at
He is having a good honeymoon and lets see how it goes when he has to make difficult calls
My concern about Boris continues and he is causing me concern.
Either he is unwell (likely) or he his in his comfort zone of hibernation.
He needs to up his game quickly1 -
"Do as I say, not as I do!"0
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Especially for you:Anabobazina said:I care as much about Dom seeing his mum as I do about Sandy’s nightly ‘dickhead’ reports about people leaving the house and doing exercise. Ditto the Boffing Boffin.
Let’s move on.
The lockdown is over.
Cumstain has been a dickhead.2 -
I really wouldn't care. But if I did, and if Labour were in government, the last thing they should do is give in to a political opponent like me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
So Dominic Cummings drove 350 miles to his second home?1
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Found it. Morgan McSweeney, Blairite. Comes from the LGA.CorrectHorseBattery said:
His entire staff seems to be - presumably - uncontroversial, since the Mail has dug up nothing.ydoethur said:
Do we know who his new chief of staff is?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
The mere fact that they haven’t yet caused a major scandal or royally messed up simple politics puts them a class apart from Seumas.
Worked on Liz Kendall’s less than successful campaign.
Deputy is Chris Ward, who worked for Chris Leslie.
That’s politically interesting. It does suggest an intention to tack rightwards politically.
Equally, neither figure seems to have a dazzling array of successes to call on, so either they were stymied by their useless bosses or they have upped their games considerably.0 -
You and I, I'm sure, have led lives of utmost probity and purity.BluestBlue said:
Oh wow - the Sunday papers! What are they doing to do, use stern language?Stuartinromford said:
Unsurprising, really.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
One chunk probably hate what he's done to the party.
One chunk probably blame him for the ongoing lockdown.
But he's so central to the Boris project that we're in for a weekend of irresistible force vs immovable object. But if he's not gone by this time tomorrow, the Sunday papers will be grisly.
But I also bet that if the Sunday Phwoar wanted to, they could construct something which is totally true but would be hell to live through. If that's what they decided to do.
(Besides, he's 48. If his parents aren't in the 70+ cocoon, they're pretty close. And unlike Robert Jenwick, he wasn't going to Durham to help his parents. He's been a chump, and whilst that maybe shouldn't be career ending, it has been for others.)0 -
Top scoop by Mirror there.1
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If you listen very carefully you can hear a man in his shed in Oxfordshire laughing his bollocks off.0
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Or shades of Selwyn Gummer and the burgers.MaxPB said:FPT
More and more Starmer is starting to look like the only grownup in the room.CarlottaVance said:
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We're in
"Do you know who I am?"
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It happens a lot with our politicians.
Are we unusual in that? For instance is it class based?0 -
What ever happened to that Milo bloke?0
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This is not weakness.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.
If he went on public transport knowing he had covid that is inexusable and he resigns this weekend or is sacked
The public outcry will demand it.1 -
Considering that he had symptoms when Bozo Hancock and Whitty were all confirmed positive more or less at the same time, there is a high probability he actually had it while travelling. Jendricks was more of a theoretical breach.RobD said:
If he had it and still went out that's far more serious.Black_Rook said:
IIRC Jenrick got away with it because he was delivering a parcel and did not go into his parents' house.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
It is not clear whether Cummings may have visited or indeed stayed with his parents. More damningly, however, he appears to have traversed the length of England during a period when he should have been self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms.
Calderwood and Ferguson were both brought down for less.0 -
Of course he is going to tack right - but right now is probably with elements of the 2017 manifesto and with more patriotism.ydoethur said:
Found it. Morgan McSweeney, Blairite. Comes from the LGA.CorrectHorseBattery said:
His entire staff seems to be - presumably - uncontroversial, since the Mail has dug up nothing.ydoethur said:
Do we know who his new chief of staff is?CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
The mere fact that they haven’t yet caused a major scandal or royally messed up simple politics puts them a class apart from Seumas.
Worked on Liz Kendall’s less than successful campaign.
Deputy is Chris Ward, who worked for Chris Leslie.
That’s politically interesting. It does suggest an intention to tack rightwards politically.
Equally, neither figure seems to have a dazzling array of successes to call on, so either they were stymied by their useless bosses or they have upped their games considerably.
Knocking the Brexit argument on the head in that Telegraph interview is smart.
Either Brexit is a disaster and he can tack to a Norway agreement or he's backed the Government and it's fine.0 -
South Wales Police had to admonish the Kinnocks for the most horrendous breach of lockdown early on. Steve Kinnock is still the MP for Aberavon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.2 -
Up to a point, Lord Copper.eadric said:
This is different. Ferguson went, the Scotch bint went. Breaking lockdown if you are in the political public eye is, potentially, a sackable offence.kyf_100 said:
Yep. I find it a bit of a really odd non-story.MaxPB said:Meh.
Like how people on here were convinced the Arcuri thing would lead to Bojo resigning. Where did that one go? Oh yeah, nowhere.
I’m not sure that’s a good thing. Ferguson should have stayed, in my opinion. The Scotch woman was different because she was on TV literally telling the Scotch to stay home. Untenable.
I’d say Dom’s case is right on the edge of defensible. The details will be crucial.
Ferguson went because it was his naff science that got us into the lockdown in the first place. He was literally one of the architects of it.
The Scottish woman also resigned as she was a chief medical officer who was again also an architect of lockdown.
They had to resign because they were hypocrites.
Dom was not on our tellys telling us we had to lock down. He didn't draft the law punishing us if we didn't obey lockdown. And absolutely millions of ordinary people have broken lockdown now.
He wasn't officially cautioned, or charged with anything. Imagine if you were a government advisor and you were forced to resign because a policeman told you you were driving poorly, gave you a few words of advice, then sent you on your way. Unless you were the minister in charge of road safety it's nowhere near a sacking offence.
Dom did nothing wrong.1 -
I always find it odd when ministers have to resign from government but not as MPs.Mexicanpete said:
South Wales Police had to admonish the Kinnocks for the most horrendous breach of lockdown early on. Steve Kinnock is still the MP for Aberavon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
Don't know if anyone saw but MORI has Starmer more popular than Johnson0
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Re sport:
A government source said: “We are aware that there are a number of high profile international sporting events due to take place over the summer. These events are putting in place stringent protocols so that they can operate. We will work with them in the coming weeks and will set out more detail at the next review point.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/22/quarantine-rules-pose-problems-for-f1-champions-league-and-tests0 -
The story seems to be that he travelled while potentially infected.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
(Guardian) Officers approached Boris Johnson’s key adviser days after he was seen rushing out of Downing Street when the prime minister tested positive for the virus at the end of March, a joint investigation by the Guardian and the Mirror has found....
That is pretty well indefensible.0 -
"He is applying common sense"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really.CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
He is applying common sense and of course he has plenty to go at
He is having a good honeymoon and lets see how it goes when he has to make difficult calls
My concern about Boris continues and he is causing me concern.
Either he is unwell (likely) or he his in his comfort zone of hibernation.
He needs to up his game quickly
So, a massive step up from the clown car cult fest that was Corbyn and co. then?1 -
Indeed, that Connor Burns is still an MP is an outrage.tlg86 said:
I always find it odd when ministers have to resign from government but not as MPs.Mexicanpete said:
South Wales Police had to admonish the Kinnocks for the most horrendous breach of lockdown early on. Steve Kinnock is still the MP for Aberavon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.
He should be publicly flogged.2 -
Lol! These hypocrites don't have a leg to stand on!Mexicanpete said:
South Wales Police had to admonish the Kinnocks for the most horrendous breach of lockdown early on. Steve Kinnock is still the MP for Aberavon.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Lol. We know you would be calling for his resignation if it was a Labour person.BluestBlue said:
No, no, no. This sort of weakness is what debilitates governments; brashness makes them invincible. Just brush it off and say that the matter had been dealt with and is now closed. The end.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest if he travelled 250 miles on public transport knowing he had covid he must go. No ifs or butsydoethur said:
Hmmm.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
While Jenrick was undoubtedly a fool, and was lucky to survive, the fact Himself was a carrier of coronavirus and had every reason to suspect he might be puts this on a different level.
The fact that he’s a stuck up third rate Oedipus Complexer whom nobody likes isn’t exactly going to help him either.0 -
Can confirm. The shed is about five miles away from here and I can hear it clearly.TheScreamingEagles said:If you listen very carefully you can hear a man in his shed in Oxfordshire laughing his bollocks off.
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As a thought experiment, how long do we think Matt Hancock would last if it had been him rather than Dominic Cummings who pulled this stunt?1
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Well the infection rate in the NE is well above average.TheScreamingEagles said:Perhaps Dom was trying to ensure we have herd immunity.
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The key question is did he use public transport while aware he had covid ?kyf_100 said:
Up to a point, Lord Copper.eadric said:
This is different. Ferguson went, the Scotch bint went. Breaking lockdown if you are in the political public eye is, potentially, a sackable offence.kyf_100 said:
Yep. I find it a bit of a really odd non-story.MaxPB said:Meh.
Like how people on here were convinced the Arcuri thing would lead to Bojo resigning. Where did that one go? Oh yeah, nowhere.
I’m not sure that’s a good thing. Ferguson should have stayed, in my opinion. The Scotch woman was different because she was on TV literally telling the Scotch to stay home. Untenable.
I’d say Dom’s case is right on the edge of defensible. The details will be crucial.
Ferguson went because it was his naff science that got us into the lockdown in the first place. He was literally one of the architects of it.
The Scottish woman also resigned as she was a chief medical officer who was again also an architect of lockdown.
They had to resign because they were hypocrites.
Dom was not on our tellys telling us we had to lock down. He didn't draft the law punishing us if we didn't obey lockdown. And absolutely millions of ordinary people have broken lockdown now.
He wasn't officially cautioned, or charged with anything. Imagine if you were a government advisor and you were forced to resign because a policeman told you you were driving poorly, gave you a few words of advice, then sent you on your way. Unless you were the minister in charge of road safety it's nowhere near a sacking offence.
Dom did nothing wrong.
If so he has to go1 -
If he travelled on public transport while suffering from symptoms of, and knowingly exposed to people who had tested positive for, CV-19, then he acted unwisely.kyf_100 said:
Up to a point, Lord Copper.eadric said:
This is different. Ferguson went, the Scotch bint went. Breaking lockdown if you are in the political public eye is, potentially, a sackable offence.kyf_100 said:
Yep. I find it a bit of a really odd non-story.MaxPB said:Meh.
Like how people on here were convinced the Arcuri thing would lead to Bojo resigning. Where did that one go? Oh yeah, nowhere.
I’m not sure that’s a good thing. Ferguson should have stayed, in my opinion. The Scotch woman was different because she was on TV literally telling the Scotch to stay home. Untenable.
I’d say Dom’s case is right on the edge of defensible. The details will be crucial.
Ferguson went because it was his naff science that got us into the lockdown in the first place. He was literally one of the architects of it.
The Scottish woman also resigned as she was a chief medical officer who was again also an architect of lockdown.
They had to resign because they were hypocrites.
Dom was not on our tellys telling us we had to lock down. He didn't draft the law punishing us if we didn't obey lockdown. And absolutely millions of ordinary people have broken lockdown now.
He wasn't officially cautioned, or charged with anything. Imagine if you were a government advisor and you were forced to resign because a policeman told you you were driving poorly, gave you a few words of advice, then sent you on your way. Unless you were the minister in charge of road safety it's nowhere near a sacking offence.
Dom did nothing wrong.
Forget lockdown, travelling on public transport while possibly contagious with a serious disease is not - to my mind - morally defensible.
If he'd driven in his own car, that would be one thing. But travelling by train and tube, that's another.0 -
Absolutely.rottenborough said:
"He is applying common sense"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really.CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
He is applying common sense and of course he has plenty to go at
He is having a good honeymoon and lets see how it goes when he has to make difficult calls
My concern about Boris continues and he is causing me concern.
Either he is unwell (likely) or he his in his comfort zone of hibernation.
He needs to up his game quickly
So, a massive step up from the clown car cult fest that was Corbyn and co. then?
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If proven it he has to goNigelb said:
The story seems to be that he travelled while potentially infected.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
(Guardian) Officers approached Boris Johnson’s key adviser days after he was seen rushing out of Downing Street when the prime minister tested positive for the virus at the end of March, a joint investigation by the Guardian and the Mirror has found....
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The story seems to be he droveeadric said:Agreed. As I said it’s the deets which will decide this. If he got on a public train then he’s probably screwed. If he drove there, then he risked no one and made a “human error” and could survive. And so on.
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Something you should perhaps mention to the poster who originally brought Abbot into it.kinabalu said:
I don't see the need to keep coupling these dusky maidens. They are different in almost every respect.Luckyguy1983 said:TOPPING said:
Nah. Her affectation of droppin her g is fuckin irritatin.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Is that happening? Shame on those people. Patel speaks a lot more clearly than her boss, and doesn't talk any more bollocks than he does.TGOHF666 said:
Although once you realise she is speaking like Lord Peter Wimsey (as pointed out by @Chris?) the dynamic changes somewhat. Huntin Shootin Fishin and Controllin immigration.
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So...Have the Mirror sat on this for 6 weeks +? Or have they recently been "informed"?
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The story seems to be he droveeadric said:Agreed. As I said it’s the deets which will decide this. If he got on a public train then he’s probably screwed. If he drove there, then he risked no one and made a “human error” and could survive. And so on.
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Wasn't our PM drive to Chevening House whilst ill/recovering?Scott_xP said:0 -
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This is absolutely a resigning matter. I doubt, however, that he will resign. Not this side of the weekend anyway.4
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Several days later on April 5, a neighbour of Mr Cummings' parents, Robert and Morag, claims they spotted him outside the property while passing for their daily exercise .dixiedean said:So...Have the Mirror sat on this for 6 weeks +? Or have they recently been "informed"?
Quite a few must have known. Did Cummings inform the PM that he had had his coĺlar observed from a 2 m distance?
They heard Abba’s Dancing Queen blasting out loudly and peered over the hedge where they saw him, wearing a scarf and thick coat, with a small boy running around.
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No. Hollywood does that just as well. Caught DUI behind the wheel, Reese Witherspoon used those precise words with her arresting officer.Toms said:We're in
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It happens a lot with our politicians.
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Jenrick got away with delivering the parcel but he also ended up in his third home and lied about it being his first. Jenrick is the Housing Secretary. He got away with it to protect Boris who somehow landed at Chequers not Downing Street.eadric said:
The difference is that both were public figures involved in telling Brits to stay home. Calderwood was actually on TV doing this.Black_Rook said:
IIRC Jenrick got away with it because he was delivering a parcel and did not go into his parents' house.Mexicanpete said:
The police have spoken to him. He did the crime, he served his time.Gardenwalker said:PB Tories not exactly lining up to defend their (mad)man.
Jenrick survived so should Dom.
It is not clear whether Cummings may have visited or indeed stayed with his parents. More damningly, however, he appears to have traversed the length of England during a period when he should have been self-isolating with Covid-19 symptoms.
Calderwood and Ferguson were both brought down for less.
Cummings is more shadowy. The government may be able to tough it out. But what a needless distraction. Why did he do it, FFS?
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Aha! So it was all Corbyn's fault. I'll take that, thanks.eadric said:
Corbyn didn’t just damage the party, he damaged the country. His presence as leader meant the country was without a capable Opposition in the worst of circumstances.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Absolutely.rottenborough said:
"He is applying common sense"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not really.CorrectHorseBattery said:I don't know who is advising Starmer but they're good.
He is applying common sense and of course he has plenty to go at
He is having a good honeymoon and lets see how it goes when he has to make difficult calls
My concern about Boris continues and he is causing me concern.
Either he is unwell (likely) or he his in his comfort zone of hibernation.
He needs to up his game quickly
So, a massive step up from the clown car cult fest that was Corbyn and co. then?
Labour's self indulgence with toxic Corbyn damaged the party to the point it was unelectable
If there’s one thing we must learn from Corbynism, it is this: the UK constitution incorporates a Loyal Opposition for a reason. It is there to probe, question, scrutinize and critique a government every day in every way, in a manner which the media cannot. That way lies good governance. With a clown as Labour Leader, the country was very ill served.
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If the facts are true, I think he'll be gone by tomorrow morning.AlastairMeeks said:This is absolutely a resigning matter. I doubt, however, that he will resign. Not this side of the weekend anyway.
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Indeed. Cummings should stay if only because of the shower of shits who'll be delighted if he goes.eadric said:
I’m sorry, but George Eaton?? The man who lied to destroy Roger Scruton’s career, and likely drove Scruton to an early grave?Scott_xP said:
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Unless his car was parked outside Number 10 when he started feeling peaky, it is extremely likely he used public transport for the first leg of his journey. Even a taxi counts as public transport. Heck, even walking home would spread it.rcs1000 said:
If he travelled on public transport while suffering from symptoms of, and knowingly exposed to people who had tested positive for, CV-19, then he acted unwisely.kyf_100 said:
Up to a point, Lord Copper.eadric said:
This is different. Ferguson went, the Scotch bint went. Breaking lockdown if you are in the political public eye is, potentially, a sackable offence.kyf_100 said:
Yep. I find it a bit of a really odd non-story.MaxPB said:Meh.
Like how people on here were convinced the Arcuri thing would lead to Bojo resigning. Where did that one go? Oh yeah, nowhere.
I’m not sure that’s a good thing. Ferguson should have stayed, in my opinion. The Scotch woman was different because she was on TV literally telling the Scotch to stay home. Untenable.
I’d say Dom’s case is right on the edge of defensible. The details will be crucial.
Ferguson went because it was his naff science that got us into the lockdown in the first place. He was literally one of the architects of it.
The Scottish woman also resigned as she was a chief medical officer who was again also an architect of lockdown.
They had to resign because they were hypocrites.
Dom was not on our tellys telling us we had to lock down. He didn't draft the law punishing us if we didn't obey lockdown. And absolutely millions of ordinary people have broken lockdown now.
He wasn't officially cautioned, or charged with anything. Imagine if you were a government advisor and you were forced to resign because a policeman told you you were driving poorly, gave you a few words of advice, then sent you on your way. Unless you were the minister in charge of road safety it's nowhere near a sacking offence.
Dom did nothing wrong.
Forget lockdown, travelling on public transport while possibly contagious with a serious disease is not - to my mind - morally defensible.
If he'd driven in his own car, that would be one thing. But travelling by train and tube, that's another.
If he then got home, made the decision that self-isolating in a tiny one or two bed flat with his wife and young child was a bad idea for their safety, packed a bag, and drove alone up to his parents farmhouse in Durham, where he cound self isolate away from his wife and young child, then frankly in the same situation I would have done the same.
As we already know this disease rips through households living in close proximity and I'm not going to blame the man for choosing to remove himself from his wife and child if it is the case that is what happened.
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If Boris has any sense he won't even give Cummings the chance to resign and Boris will sack Cummings in the next hour or so.tlg86 said:
If the facts are true, I think he'll be gone by tomorrow morning.AlastairMeeks said:This is absolutely a resigning matter. I doubt, however, that he will resign. Not this side of the weekend anyway.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAc6aNoNLMTimT said:
No. Hollywood does that just as well. Caught DUI behind the wheel, Reese Witherspoon used those precise words with her arresting officer.Toms said:We're in
"Do you know who I am?"
territory.
It happens a lot with our politicians.
Are we unusual in that? For instance is it class based?
Careful with what you say there!* She was the passenger, it was her husband who was being stopped for suspected DUI.
A slight difference in wording, but for afficionadoes of these things, I liked how "Do you know my name?" was followed by "You're about to find out who I am!"
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