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One of the great things to come out of the lock down has been that many are becoming accomplished at using the excellent and easy to use video conferencing platform Zoom. It is so nice being able to have conversations with groups of friends who you can’t meet face to face at the moment.
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First...have you got any flour?0
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Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1250503386014920704-1 -
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
Quick somebody tell the 99 year old doing laps of his property he needs to change who he is giving money to. Please somebody think of the hard up luxury travel writers of this world.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
/twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207042 -
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
Zoom has blown it. The security issues are turning everyone awayeek said:
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
Lockdown ended yesterday as Johnson said 3 weeks on Monday 23rd
I'm back to normal life0 -
Oh and pornographic images turning up in the middle of important meetings...alex_ said:
Zoom has blown it. The security issues are turning everyone awayeek said:
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?
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Discord and whatsapp are a bit different to Skype/Zoom. We're using Teams at my work.FrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?
Skype has been thoroughly trounced, that's certain though.0 -
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
Skype is fine for 2-3 person conversationsPulpstar said:
Discord and whatsapp are a bit different to Skype/Zoom. We're using Teams at my work.FrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?
Skype has been thoroughly trounced, that's certain though.0 -
I've yet to see a single thing that works on Twitter.alex_ said:
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
I've never got on with it personally.alex_ said:
Skype is fine for 2-3 person conversationsPulpstar said:
Discord and whatsapp are a bit different to Skype/Zoom. We're using Teams at my work.FrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?
Skype has been thoroughly trounced, that's certain though.0 -
Making an arse of yourself?Philip_Thompson said:
I've yet to see a single thing that works on Twitter.alex_ said:
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207041 -
Video and sound quality are vastly better.FrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?
Skype's quality is a joke, an artefact of their peer to peer origins that they have never been able to shake.
What's app quality is also patchy.
Zoom is just really, really consistent.0 -
I thought that was a required part of their Terms of Service?alex_ said:
Making an arse of yourself?Philip_Thompson said:
I've yet to see a single thing that works on Twitter.alex_ said:
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
He didn't arrange some private gigs at the 5* eateries of Penarth? How shortsighted.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
Skype is intended for 1-2-1 communications
Teams in intended for conferenced, i.e. multiple people to communicate, like Zoom
Different tools
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No gluten, it won't work. You can make popadoms thoughPhilip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/15/sharp-rise-in-ill-patients-dying-at-home-since-coronavirus-outbreak
85 extra non-hospital heart attack deaths a day in London. Spookily similar to reports from NYC linked to here earlier this week.0 -
Skype = android
Teams = iphone
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The Act was passed on the |Thursday, with a three week reviews built inPeterMannion said:Lockdown ended yesterday as Johnson said 3 weeks on Monday 23rd
I'm back to normal life0 -
RE: lockdowns. I don't get why anyone thinks we or any other country is remotely close to returning to anything like normality. To even think that you've got to completely dismiss the suggestions that many hundreds of thousands could die without mitigating measures. No country currently is above 30-40,000 (assuming large numbers of 'community' deaths are going unreported). "Returning to normal" effectively means scrapping any gains that the lockdowns are presumed to have delivered. And in winter there will be no spare capacity in Health Services because 1) there will be few "routine"/"non-urgent" operations that can be cancelled and 2) many of the currently non-urgent operations will have become urgent (delayed cancer etc etc)0
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're Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.
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Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone0 -
Lots of reports of empty beds (including ICU beds) in London. People just aren't going to hospital and huge capacity is going unused.IshmaelZ said:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/15/sharp-rise-in-ill-patients-dying-at-home-since-coronavirus-outbreak
85 extra non-hospital heart attack deaths a day in London. Spookily similar to reports from NYC linked to here earlier this week.0 -
You can make some nice unleavened spiced bread/pancakes with gram flour thoughJohnLilburne said:
No gluten, it won't work. You can make popadoms thoughPhilip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
I wouldn't use gram flour for making bread. It's chickpea flour and has no gluten.Philip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
Bigger concern is all that data going to Chinese servers.dixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.0 -
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.
What you think is secure is to me (someone who deals with IT security and data leakage as part of my job) a place I would do everything I can to avoid (although if a client wants to use zoom they are lost cause anyway).0 -
I really would not recommend that...Philip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems...FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.0 -
Other than it isntdixiedean said:
It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.
Not only is Zoom's strong end-to-end encryption not actually end-to-end, its encryption isn't even that strong
www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/04/03/dont_use_zoom_if_privacy/0 -
Course that doesn't apply if you have something REALLY secretive.dixiedean said:
It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.0 -
Nope Skype (the none business version) was a bought in consumer product.ManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Skype for business was previously called Lync and was ok but never that great (it could however do conference calls if managed well).
Teams can do both 1 to 1 calls and larger conference calls - it uses different technology (azure video) for the conference functionality.0 -
There’s no return to normal without a vaccine (if then).alex_ said:RE: lockdowns. I don't get why anyone thinks we or any other country is remotely close to returning to anything like normality. To even think that you've got to completely dismiss the suggestions that many hundreds of thousands could die without mitigating measures. No country currently is above 30-40,000 (assuming large numbers of 'community' deaths are going unreported). "Returning to normal" effectively means scrapping any gains that the lockdowns are presumed to have delivered. And in winter there will be no spare capacity in Health Services because 1) there will be few "routine"/"non-urgent" operations that can be cancelled and 2) many of the currently non-urgent operations will have become urgent (delayed cancer etc etc)
But rebuilding some sort of economic activity in the meantime is essential.1 -
Teams is more of a Slack competitor with video on the side, and Zoom's more like Webex.ManchesterKurt said:Skype is intended for 1-2-1 communications
Teams in intended for conferenced, i.e. multiple people to communicate, like Zoom
Different tools
Of course there's a lot of overlap and feature creep with these sort of products until they inevitably become something like a Lotus Notes, and then a new more focused product comes along and steals their lunch.0 -
If only that was true and not marketing hype - I will leave it there as I can’t be bothered to do work this late at nightdixiedean said:
Course that doesn't apply if you have something REALLY secretive.dixiedean said:
It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.0 -
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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Lotus 123 - NokiaManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Wordpro - Eriksson0 -
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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I know quite a few people who recently started using it - all of them probably folk who don't really care if someone's listening in, though. Had a reunion of 25 former MPs the other day where we chatted about what we were all getting up to now - the Chinese Government and the CIA could have been listening, who cares. But we don't use it at work for the reasons you say.alex_ said:
Zoom has blown it. The security issues are turning everyone awayeek said:
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
Skype = Stellaeek said:
Nope Skype (the none business version) was a bought in consumer product.ManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Skype for business was previously called Lync and was ok but never that great (it could however do conference calls if managed well).
Teams can do both 1 to 1 calls and larger conference calls - it uses different technology (azure video) for the conference functionality.
Teams = Cloudwater DIPA
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Waitrose in this part of NW London had a fair bit of flour, managed to get strong white, 00 and wholemeal. We're all set for a few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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The natural consequence of (i) some patients being too afraid to set foot in healthcare settings, (ii) other patients not wanting to be a bother during the emergency, and (iii) the cancellations of vast numbers of outpatients' appointments, routine screenings and elective surgeries to clear the decks for the Covid tsunami.alex_ said:
Lots of reports of empty beds (including ICU beds) in London. People just aren't going to hospital and huge capacity is going unused.IshmaelZ said:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/15/sharp-rise-in-ill-patients-dying-at-home-since-coronavirus-outbreak
85 extra non-hospital heart attack deaths a day in London. Spookily similar to reports from NYC linked to here earlier this week.
In truth, looking at it from outside it's very hard to appreciate how much or how little excess slack there is in the system (because, even though intensive care beds aren't full to capacity there are an awful lot more of them than there were pre-crisis, and manning them all is very labour intensive and must be taking up the time and energy of a lot of staff re-deployed from other areas.) However, one wouldn't be surprised to hear that NHS staff fortunate enough not to have been transferred to coronavirus duties may be less than rushed off their feet at the moment.
In particular, if there are any GPs or practice nurses amongst the PB commentariat it would be fascinating to know if they are more or less busy than usual.0 -
On flour, one of my colleagues bought a 25 kg sack of pizza flour.
He then had to buy a big plastic barrel to keep it in.
He'll need a lot of pineapples too, I imagine.3 -
Very jealous. I had the opportunity to get 16kg if strong white, but I have no use for that much. Would have taken the 00 though, good for pizza and pasta.SandyRentool said:On flour, one of my colleagues bought a 25 kg sack of pizza flour.
He then had to buy a big plastic barrel to keep it in.
He'll need a lot of pineapples too, I imagine.0 -
Sounds like a fair swap.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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Think we are obviously talking at different levels of security. For keeping unwanted.people out it works just fine.But then no one is really interested much in my meetings, as they involve no great commercial value.eek said:
If only that was true and not marketing hype - I will leave it there as I can’t be bothered to do work this late at nightdixiedean said:
Course that doesn't apply if you have something REALLY secretive.dixiedean said:
It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.0 -
Indeed mass testing should be the way forward with lockdown just left for the peak.Nigelb said:
There’s no return to normal without a vaccine (if then).alex_ said:RE: lockdowns. I don't get why anyone thinks we or any other country is remotely close to returning to anything like normality. To even think that you've got to completely dismiss the suggestions that many hundreds of thousands could die without mitigating measures. No country currently is above 30-40,000 (assuming large numbers of 'community' deaths are going unreported). "Returning to normal" effectively means scrapping any gains that the lockdowns are presumed to have delivered. And in winter there will be no spare capacity in Health Services because 1) there will be few "routine"/"non-urgent" operations that can be cancelled and 2) many of the currently non-urgent operations will have become urgent (delayed cancer etc etc)
But rebuilding some sort of economic activity in the meantime is essential.
SARs of course eventually died out anyway even without the vaccine0 -
Quite good for career destruction.Philip_Thompson said:
I've yet to see a single thing that works on Twitter.alex_ said:
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207041 -
I got an email from our IT guys a few weeks ago ,when the WFH was kicking off ,forbidding zoom to be used on any of our company kit.FrancisUrquhart said:
Bigger concern is all that data going to Chinese servers.dixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.
If the clients want to use it on their kit ("thats their problem" was the phrase used) or we use it on our personal devices then ok but not on our company hardware.
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What about for cakes or cookies?MaxPB said:
I wouldn't use gram flour for making bread. It's chickpea flour and has no gluten.Philip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
Just heard that a former close colleague of mine has died. This really brings it home.0
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I can't see how the 100k a day tests is going to be onstream in 2 weeks time.HYUFD said:
Indeed mass testing should be the way forward with lockdown just left for the peak.Nigelb said:
There’s no return to normal without a vaccine (if then).alex_ said:RE: lockdowns. I don't get why anyone thinks we or any other country is remotely close to returning to anything like normality. To even think that you've got to completely dismiss the suggestions that many hundreds of thousands could die without mitigating measures. No country currently is above 30-40,000 (assuming large numbers of 'community' deaths are going unreported). "Returning to normal" effectively means scrapping any gains that the lockdowns are presumed to have delivered. And in winter there will be no spare capacity in Health Services because 1) there will be few "routine"/"non-urgent" operations that can be cancelled and 2) many of the currently non-urgent operations will have become urgent (delayed cancer etc etc)
But rebuilding some sort of economic activity in the meantime is essential.
SARs of course eventually died out anyway even without the vaccine0 -
No and no, it's a good savoury flour for tempura batter or fish batter but not so much as a replacement for plain flour in general. You should look up some recipes for bhajis and pakoras, that's what I use it for.Philip_Thompson said:
What about for cakes or cookies?MaxPB said:
I wouldn't use gram flour for making bread. It's chickpea flour and has no gluten.Philip_Thompson said:
Flour has become the new toilet paper it seems, impossible to find.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
Could get my entire shopping list yesterday apart from flour and yeast. On the other hand the World Foods aisle had loads of "Gram Flour" (Chickpea Flour) which I've never used but bought it as closest substitute available and see whether that works or not.
Surprised they had so much of that available given the total lack of flour, surprised more people hadn't thought to pick it up as a substitute (or I wasted £1 on a product I have no idea how to use but for £1 seemed worth getting).0 -
If Teams is superior why haven't Microsoft discontinued Skype yet?eek said:
Nope Skype (the none business version) was a bought in consumer product.ManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Skype for business was previously called Lync and was ok but never that great (it could however do conference calls if managed well).
Teams can do both 1 to 1 calls and larger conference calls - it uses different technology (azure video) for the conference functionality.0 -
Apart from telling Facebook about the fact you have a relationship with your clients.I suspect your clients would not be happy to discover their relationship with you sits within Facebook’s relationship matrix.dixiedean said:
Think we are obviously talking at different levels of security. For keeping unwanted.people out it works just fine.But then no one is really interested much in my meetings, as they involve no great commercial value.eek said:
If only that was true and not marketing hype - I will leave it there as I can’t be bothered to do work this late at nightdixiedean said:
Course that doesn't apply if you have something REALLY secretive.dixiedean said:
It's end to end encrypted. Which is why therapists use it. You just have to lock the door. That's all.eek said:
And in every call the relationship between you and your client is sent to facebookdixiedean said:'re Zoom. Have used it for 5 years in a confidential therapeutic setting. The problem is other people haven't.
You treat it like a secure interview room. Open a room. Lock the door. Set up a waiting room. When the person you want to see enters the waiting room, you let them in and lock the door behind them.
Simple.
People are doing the equivalent of posting their address on Facebook and advertising a Party. Then being surprised uninvited guests show up.
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I managed to get hold of a bag of self-raising out of Morrisons in town during the height of panic buying a few weeks back. It was the premium sifted stuff and had been put on a higher up shelf than the rest of the flour, hidden in plain sight amongst an assortment of other cake-baking ingredients. The locusts had stripped everything else bare but completely missed this specific brand. Needless to say I felt very pleased with myself at the time.MaxPB said:
Waitrose in this part of NW London had a fair bit of flour, managed to get strong white, 00 and wholemeal. We're all set for a few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
I haven't noticed whether or not the Tesco Extra where I normally do my big shop has any flour, since I've not needed to look for it recently, but if they don't then flour and paracetamol - which I know is still in short supply and has been moved behind the pharmacy counter - must be the very last empty shelves left in the store. Last time I was in there they were still a wee bit light on chopped tomatoes and baked beans, but pasta, bog roll and virtually everything else was pretty much back to normal.0 -
This is not SARS, which was nowhere near as infectious, and invariably symptomatic before it was infectious.HYUFD said:
Indeed mass testing should be the way forward with lockdown just left for the peak.Nigelb said:
There’s no return to normal without a vaccine (if then).alex_ said:RE: lockdowns. I don't get why anyone thinks we or any other country is remotely close to returning to anything like normality. To even think that you've got to completely dismiss the suggestions that many hundreds of thousands could die without mitigating measures. No country currently is above 30-40,000 (assuming large numbers of 'community' deaths are going unreported). "Returning to normal" effectively means scrapping any gains that the lockdowns are presumed to have delivered. And in winter there will be no spare capacity in Health Services because 1) there will be few "routine"/"non-urgent" operations that can be cancelled and 2) many of the currently non-urgent operations will have become urgent (delayed cancer etc etc)
But rebuilding some sort of economic activity in the meantime is essential.
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So sorry to hear that. These are very difficult days for so manyMikeSmithson said:Just heard that a former close colleague of mine has died. This really brings it home.
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Same with me. Really sorry to hear.MikeSmithson said:Just heard that a former close colleague of mine has died. This really brings it home.
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Good to see the BBC tweeting regional newspapers whose journalism frequently puts national (pun intended) newspapers to shame:
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I have a trip to M&S tomorrow. Be interested to see if parmesan has reappeared.....Black_Rook said:
I managed to get hold of a bag of self-raising out of Morrisons in town during the height of panic buying a few weeks back. It was the premium sifted stuff and had been put on a higher up shelf than the rest of the flour, hidden in plain sight amongst an assortment of other cake-baking ingredients. The locusts had stripped everything else bare but completely missed this specific brand. Needless to say I felt very pleased with myself at the time.MaxPB said:
Waitrose in this part of NW London had a fair bit of flour, managed to get strong white, 00 and wholemeal. We're all set for a few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
I haven't noticed whether or not the Tesco Extra where I normally do my big shop has any flour, since I've not needed to look for it recently, but if they don't then flour and paracetamol - which I know is still in short supply and has been moved behind the pharmacy counter - must be the very last empty shelves left in the store. Last time I was in there they were still a wee bit light on chopped tomatoes and baked beans, but pasta, bog roll and virtually everything else was pretty much back to normal.0 -
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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Yep, it’s clearly a joke and I actually find it funny but it’s not going to go down well with others. I doubt it will impact the travel gigs were they to returnMarqueeMark said:
Quite good for career destruction.Philip_Thompson said:
I've yet to see a single thing that works on Twitter.alex_ said:
I think it might have been a joke. But jokes don't work on twitter of course!IshmaelZ said:
I can see that going viral, and not in a good way.eek said:Off topic but eadric / seant is suffering- withdrawal symptoms I think
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/12505033860149207040 -
Just make sourdough starter. Give you some things to bake.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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Captain Tom is less than £49k off the £10m.
Go on someone, get him over the line.....0 -
Suggest you make your own sourdough starter - very easy to do.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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Just as a note, Skype for Business is being replaced by Teams. Skype as a consumer brand product I think is being retained.
The fundamental difference for the Business product is that I think Teams is entirely cloud based whilst with SfB you could as a business operate it as your own in house instance. The flaw for Teams is that you are at the mercy of Microsoft's server and bandwidth management, you get what you get with no control over server load or bandwidth allocation.
There are a ton of corporate Unified Comms options out there for businesses whether in premise or hosted and there are pure video bridge services that are end device agnostic. The options for businesses are legion0 -
Some rich individuals must have pledged some serious dough today.MarqueeMark said:Captain Tom is less than £49k off the £10m.
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This thread is an eye-opener. A lot of Americans want to make a constitutional issue of lockdowns.
https://twitter.com/raleighpolice/status/12501117795748945940 -
We already do. Just that sometimes, I need that hit of toasted homemade white bread!FrancisUrquhart said:
Just make sourdough starter. Give you some things to bake.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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I just sent my friend a few sachets in the post, hopefully the postie doesn't realise what it is!twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
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what a dreadful picture for the courier to put on their front page.......CarlottaVance said:Good to see the BBC tweeting regional newspapers whose journalism frequently puts national (pun intended) newspapers to shame:
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Or just buy bread?FrancisUrquhart said:
Just make sourdough starter. Give you some things to bake.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
We get ours from Abel and Cole.0 -
There's nearly half a million donors so with gift aid its under £20/donation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some rich individuals must have pledged some serious dough today.MarqueeMark said:Captain Tom is less than £49k off the £10m.
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Not so sure. He's coming up on 500,000 donors. Average of £20 a pop....FrancisUrquhart said:
Some rich individuals must have pledged some serious dough today.MarqueeMark said:Captain Tom is less than £49k off the £10m.
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Checks NDAs, It’s coming and was supposed to be at the end of this month (it may have changed).dodrade said:
If Teams is superior why haven't Microsoft discontinued Skype yet?eek said:
Nope Skype (the none business version) was a bought in consumer product.ManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Skype for business was previously called Lync and was ok but never that great (it could however do conference calls if managed well).
Teams can do both 1 to 1 calls and larger conference calls - it uses different technology (azure video) for the conference functionality.
It’s not enabled within Teams by default though, a global administrator will need to flick a switch0 -
Well it keeps everyone engaged at least.alex_ said:
Oh and pornographic images turning up in the middle of important meetings...alex_ said:
Zoom has blown it. The security issues are turning everyone awayeek said:
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
We got 100g of dried yeast as well today.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
I’m unable to restrain myself from boasting about this.0 -
But only if you've paid for the premium service....kle4 said:
Well it keeps everyone engaged at least.alex_ said:
Oh and pornographic images turning up in the middle of important meetings...alex_ said:
Zoom has blown it. The security issues are turning everyone awayeek said:
Right product at the right time - it’s a security and privacy nightmare though so I won’t be using itFrancisUrquhart said:Re zoom... really interesting how Skype has managed to screw up their first mover advantage.
Why is zoom better than skype, discord, whatsapp video calls, etc?0 -
Homemade sourdough bread is awesome.SandyRentool said:
Or just buy bread?FrancisUrquhart said:
Just make sourdough starter. Give you some things to bake.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
We get ours from Abel and Cole.0 -
It seems to me from limited experience that Skype is fine (better?) for ad-hoc impromptu phone calls/meetings. Teams et al for more formal planned stuff.Yokes said:Just as a note, Skype for Business is being replaced by Teams. Skype as a consumer brand product I think is being retained.
The fundamental difference for the Business product is that I think Teams is entirely cloud based whilst with SfB you could as a business operate it as your own in house instance. The flaw for Teams is that you are at the mercy of Microsoft's server and bandwidth management, you get what you get with no control over server load or bandwidth allocation.
There are a ton of corporate Unified Comms options out there for businesses whether in premise or hosted and there are pure video bridge services that are end device agnostic. The options for businesses are legion0 -
If anyone wants proof that saving lives over the exercise of liberty is not always the priority of the government, consider this fact:
They haven't banned smoking. Even though it kills about 78,000 people a year.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/lifestyle/what-are-the-health-risks-of-smoking/0 -
I hope you've got a good private security firm....AlastairMeeks said:
We got 100g of dried yeast as well today.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I've got a sack of flour (from an actual windmill). Can't buy yeast for love nor money.AlastairMeeks said:
County lines for the middle classes.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
I’m unable to restrain myself from boasting about this.0 -
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Because Skype is a consumer product in one part of Microsoft, while Teams is a business product that's part of the Office suite and meant to compete with Slack.dodrade said:
If Teams is superior why haven't Microsoft discontinued Skype yet?eek said:
Nope Skype (the none business version) was a bought in consumer product.ManchesterKurt said:
Both Msft products intended for different purposesTGOHF666 said:Skype = android
Teams = iphone
Word = Android
Excel = iPhone
Skype for business was previously called Lync and was ok but never that great (it could however do conference calls if managed well).
Teams can do both 1 to 1 calls and larger conference calls - it uses different technology (azure video) for the conference functionality.1 -
Actually there is an interesting story about the nudge teams input into the legislation of e-cigs, and it saved a lot of lives.Andy_JS said:If anyone wants proof that saving lives over the exercise of liberty is not always the priority of the government, consider this fact:
They haven't banned smoking. Even though it kills about 78,000 people a year.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/lifestyle/what-are-the-health-risks-of-smoking/0 -
Really?! My experience of the height of the panic buying episode was that cheese was one of the very few foodstuffs never to be in seriously short supply at any point.MarqueeMark said:
I have a trip to M&S tomorrow. Be interested to see if parmesan has reappeared.....Black_Rook said:
I managed to get hold of a bag of self-raising out of Morrisons in town during the height of panic buying a few weeks back. It was the premium sifted stuff and had been put on a higher up shelf than the rest of the flour, hidden in plain sight amongst an assortment of other cake-baking ingredients. The locusts had stripped everything else bare but completely missed this specific brand. Needless to say I felt very pleased with myself at the time.MaxPB said:
Waitrose in this part of NW London had a fair bit of flour, managed to get strong white, 00 and wholemeal. We're all set for a few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Getting a bit concerned Mrs U might end up mugging somebody if she sees them with this rare white powder.AlastairMeeks said:
I got self-raising flour for my mum today. She was delighted.FrancisUrquhart said:First...have you got any flour?
I haven't noticed whether or not the Tesco Extra where I normally do my big shop has any flour, since I've not needed to look for it recently, but if they don't then flour and paracetamol - which I know is still in short supply and has been moved behind the pharmacy counter - must be the very last empty shelves left in the store. Last time I was in there they were still a wee bit light on chopped tomatoes and baked beans, but pasta, bog roll and virtually everything else was pretty much back to normal.
Going back about three weeks, anybody whose diet consisted entirely of cheese, yoghurt, chocolate biscuits and wine was doing very nicely thank you. It's just the whole of the rest of the population that was snatching and hoarding bags of penne and fusilli on sight.0 -
My team discovered the silly background feature in Teams today. Added some fun to the virtual coffee break.0
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I'm still trying to work out how The Times running a story with corroborating evidence which was dismissed by the Scottish Government as a non story is actually an embarrassing SNP conspiracy theory blown apart by the Courier but I'm sure I'll get there eventually.CarlottaVance said:Good to see the BBC tweeting regional newspapers whose journalism frequently puts national (pun intended) newspapers to shame:
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1250535760027095047?s=200 -
Guernsey cases flattening - success ascribed to border control - all arrivals have to self-quarantine for 14 days, early lock down and all cases are tracked. The States (parliament) have been meeting virtually and have delayed elections from June for a year.0
