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Nice words from Sturgeon for Boris as start of her statement. Respect for that.2
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Which of course was the thinking behind Project Fear.TOPPING said:
If people are overwhelmed by events out of their control and are fearful, a natural instinct is to go for the most controlled scenario they can think of.Anabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
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Sounds like a bad pitch to potential clients in The ApprenticeCyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
“Before SussexRoyal, came the idea of Arche – the Greek word meaning source of action. We connected to this concept for the charitable organisation we hoped to build one day, and it became the inspiration for our son’s name. To do something of meaning, to do something that matters.
“Archewell is a name that combines an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon. We look forward to launching Archewell when the time is right.”
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Ha, no worries sirRobD said:
Poorly timed.Anabobazina said:
I refer you to MattW's post at 1233hrs BSTRobD said:
They don't care about the name.Anabobazina said:Who cares about Harry and Meg’s charity name? What a trivial thing to get in a lather about.
I had honestly thought the complaint was over the timing. Like you said, the name really doesn't matter.
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And everyone knows that defenders don't like it up 'em.Malmesbury said:
For lols I once insisted on trying some fencing up and down a (partially) spiral staircase. The lower position has an advantage in many ways - you are stretching up and away from your body, while the defender above is reaching down past their own legs. If hits to the legs count, you would be in big trouble...TOPPING said:
We are agreeing.Charles said:
("Upper hand" comes from sword fighting - if your sword is on top our your opponent's it's easier to disarm them)TOPPING said:
Yes he does. But if you're the defender, you will have built your castle so that you gain the upper, ie free hand as you descend to protect your domain from intruders thus putting the attacker at a disadvantage (cf spiral staircases also as @Morris has also noted).Charles said:
I assumed the attacker starts at the bottom. It’s only Errol Flynn who does it the other way round 😆TOPPING said:
That would mean you were the attacker. I always note when spiral staircases are round the wrong way, giving the attacker the advantage.Charles said:
Going up on the left means your sword arm is free to engageDecrepiterJohnL said:
An off-topic flashback to my schooldays, and one teacher helping to manage staircase congestion with her cry of, "up on the left; down on the right".Malmesbury said:
The latest fashion appears to be walking along, talking to someone next to you, about a metre apart. Not actually social distancing, but nicely blocking the pavement.JohnLilburne said:
True, although I don't normally run fast enough to pant. But if you are running along a pavement next to a busy road and the pedestrians are bimbling around in a bunch, it cuts down your options. What's wrong with walking line astern? (And why are you exercising with family members anyway? You are banged up with them 24/7, surely you need time to yourself?)Nigelb said:
Runners and cyclists are both moving faster, and more likely to be panting (& therefore far more likely to be generating aerosol), so they ought to bear a greater responsibility.JohnLilburne said:
Sorry, I flagged you as off topic, it's very small on my phone, and don't seem to be able to unflag it.MarqueeMark said:
No, you are wrong. Cyclists and runners need to take special measures to prevent contact with walkers. The hierarchy is as simple as that.Martin_Kinsella said:
And dog walkers, who allow their foul mutt to run around and impede others or dopey pedestrians listening to music oblivious to everyone else.MarqueeMark said:
And cyclists.Mysticrose said:My biggest gripe with personal space are runners. They seem to come charging up far too close and, of course, panting volumes of breath into one's vicinity.
I am a runner, cyclist and walker. All groups are equally to blame.
But surely a runner is a pedestrian and has equal priority with a walker.
Personally, I have been trying to run against the flow of traffic so I can more safely step into the road.
Most people are very good but you get offenders of all types. Including couples and family groups of walkers who insist on taking the whole pavement, and runners and cyclists who will not adjust their line or slow down (or cycle on the pavement). It's a bit like driving on a narrow country lane: you need to have a passing strategy and plan passing places ahead
I've tried locally suggesting that people walking west go on the north side of the road, east on the south etc.
Have at thee!
But the design of the spiral staircase is to allow the defenders to use the central pillar to protect the left side of the body thereby allow them to be more aggressive while exposing the attacker's left flank as they climb the stairs.0 -
It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.4 -
Become?MaxPB said:
Yes, completely agree. We've become doom mongers.Anabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
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SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
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I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
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No. @Mysticrose, by their own admission.Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
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I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...0 -
Is it me or is the sky bluer?Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.0 -
Yes, the contrast between what I am seeing out of my window and the dreadful news from all over the UK and the world is quite surreal.Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.
Our fritillaries this year are stunning. They've been multiplying steadily each year, but this year they are particularly special and abundant.0 -
And as I have said before Liverpool could have requested a cancellation or to play behind closed doors if they had wanted to put public health ahead of their own financial interests,Philip_Thompson said:
They were going to pay their non-playing staff either way. And it wasn't for Liverpool to stop tourists coming from Spain, that is and remains the government's responsibility.OllyT said:
Good to see Liverpool FC have finally been shamed into doing the right thing and carry on paying their non-playing staff. Now if only they could retrospectively change the decision to have gone ahead with the Madrid game in the middle of last month.Philip_Thompson said:
No, they've recorded them even if COVID is suspected - but we know most suspected tests are negative, so quite possibly many of those were not COVID deaths.NerysHughes said:I wonder if the 1600 deaths on the 27/3/2020 recorded as having something to do with Covid-19 were all actually tested as these would make up a very large proportion of the positive tests.
Re paying the staff, As the Spirit of Shankly supporters group and Carragher said, their decision was doing the club huge reputational damage. You obviously didn't agree.0 -
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.1 -
On a global scale Bill Gates certainly seems to be doing his bit for philanthropy.Charles said:
It's amazing what you can do when you don't give a fig for workers rights or conditions.Foxy said:
We used to do that here. In 1893 the The Fountain Hospital in Tooting was built in a few weeks as a fever hospital.Nigelb said:Whatever your views of China (vile regime we shouldn't do business with/vile regime we have little option but to do some business with...), this is a very interesting article:
How Chinese Apps Handled Covid-19
http://dangrover.com/blog/2020/04/05/covid-in-ui.html
...The point of these “fever clinics” (发热门诊), as distinguished from ordinary hospitals, was to give anyone who thought they might be even a little sick a way to get tested and, more importantly, control the spread by isolating even asymptomatic carriers away from their family and co-workers and give them a place to wait it out. Some of these had been established for this reason on a permanent basis during the SARS outbreak in 2003, while others were established only recently.
As the country mobilized, all of the major apps promoted features that clearly listed the hospitals that were handling Coronavirus. This included all the fever clinics that had sprung up as well as normal, pre-existing hospitals with ICUs that had been specially designated for handling serious cases of coronavirus (定点收治医院):
The other aspect Aylward mentions is the use of online consultations. Changes in regulations in the past few years have resulted in an explosion of telemedicine apps in China with plays by tech companies like Tencent and Alibaba, traditional companies like Ping An, and existing online medical information resource sites like Dingxiang.
These apps combine a bunch of things: simple ecommerce (for medicine and medical devices), lead generation/vertical search for specialists offline, and online consultations with doctors at top hospitals. Doctors giving online consultations can write prescriptions which can then be filled in the app. The consultations can be paid for a-la-carte or with an annual plan and are sometimes a loss-leader for their online pharmacy business...
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-Fountain/
It is now St George's Hospital in Tooting, old St George's on Hyde Park Corner closed in 1981, now the Lanesborough Hotel.
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Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
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Buy the rumour sell the factStuartDickson said:
Perception may be wrong. I’m sticking with my position: overweight on gold.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
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I've just had a phone call from an 086 number. It was a recorded message in what sounded like Chinese with stirring music in the back ground. Bizarre!1
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I've no idea, but I think part of the issue is simply that politicians have to comment on loads of things they may no little about but are responsible for deciding so can misstep without being dumb, and every brain fart moment is so prominent and taken as reflective of overall intellect.kinabalu said:
Fully behind your general point, which is more than reasonably solid, it's undeniably true. Almost every top politician is cleverer than most of the people who comment adversely on the intelligence of politicians. There are exceptions, however, e.g. Priti Patel. My genuine sense of her intellect is that it's not materially above average.TOPPING said:There is this fantasy on all sides of the political debate that people who reach high office either in government or opposition are thick as two short planks.
Clue: they are not. They are very very smart and moreso diligent. Look at Raab or Lammy's CV. Outstanding.
Problem is they have to deal with, appeal to, and somehow try to satisfy us lot, the public, and we are thick as fuck.
Some might not be generally dumb but can be very dumb on certain matters of course.
But I've little doubt many MPs are genuinely impressive face to face.
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And as I have said it is not on football clubs to second-guess the experts on public health when the experts are telling them to go ahead.OllyT said:
And as I have said before Liverpool could have requested a cancellation or to play behind closed doors if they had wanted to put public health ahead of their own financial interests,Philip_Thompson said:
They were going to pay their non-playing staff either way. And it wasn't for Liverpool to stop tourists coming from Spain, that is and remains the government's responsibility.OllyT said:
Good to see Liverpool FC have finally been shamed into doing the right thing and carry on paying their non-playing staff. Now if only they could retrospectively change the decision to have gone ahead with the Madrid game in the middle of last month.Philip_Thompson said:
No, they've recorded them even if COVID is suspected - but we know most suspected tests are negative, so quite possibly many of those were not COVID deaths.NerysHughes said:I wonder if the 1600 deaths on the 27/3/2020 recorded as having something to do with Covid-19 were all actually tested as these would make up a very large proportion of the positive tests.
If the experts had said to cancel the game and Liverpool had ignored them and gone ahead then that would be a disgrace. They didn't.0 -
The Chinese government's new global, "learn about our culture", advertising and PR campaign ?twistedfirestopper3 said:I've just had a phone call from an 086 number. It was a recorded message in what sounded like Chinese with stirring music in the back ground. Bizarre!
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He chased Clinton all the way to the convention, and he clearly has no interest in party unity (since it's not actually his party), so I'm not remotely surprised.rottenborough said:Unbelievably, Sanders is still running.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-wisconsin.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage0 -
Antibiotics...ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
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I always find that weird that you can run for the nomination of a party which you aren't a member of.Endillion said:
He chased Clinton all the way to the convention, and he clearly has no interest in party unity (since it's not actually his party), so I'm not remotely surprised.rottenborough said:Unbelievably, Sanders is still running.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-wisconsin.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage0 -
Improved hygiene and pest control. Few people these days have fleas and lice.Charles said:
Antibiotics...ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.0 -
Didn’t come in for another 22 years.Charles said:
Antibiotics...ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.0 -
Makes it sounds like "Archie"TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
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I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
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I've had a couple of these from various numbers over the past few weeks. I'm kinda worried that I'm about to be activated like some kind of Manchurian Candidate.twistedfirestopper3 said:I've just had a phone call from an 086 number. It was a recorded message in what sounded like Chinese with stirring music in the back ground. Bizarre!
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Missed the start of the Scottish press conference - do those 74 new deaths include care homes?0
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To an extent perhaps but Patel and Raab occupy two of the 3 major offices primarily by dint of being hardline Brexiteers and one has accidentally now become de facto PM. We will see the wisdom of those choices over the coming months.kle4 said:
Probably, but are people ever in high offices purely by being the best people for the job? If it were possible to objectively assess the merits of all MPs and put those best placed in the most appropriate positions I imagine government and opposition alike would look very different.OllyT said:rottenborough said:
Somebody save us from Patel!!!!!edmundintokyo said:
I think you may be at the wrong website?FrancisUrquhart said:Jesus F##king Christ, Fat Head is now speculating on a mechanisms and timing of a Tory party leadership election...
I can't help thinking both Patel and Raab are in such high offices to please the Brexiteers rather than actually being the best people for the job.0 -
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subliminal message to eat bats?WhisperingOracle said:
The Chinese government's new global, "learn about our culture", advertising and PR campaign ?twistedfirestopper3 said:I've just had a phone call from an 086 number. It was a recorded message in what sounded like Chinese with stirring music in the back ground. Bizarre!
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Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”1
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It probably is bluer. Lack of high-level contrails. They are white and spread out thus diluting the blueness. It was noted during 9/11 that the lack of contrails (and thus high-level water vapour) caused noticeable changes to weather etc.rottenborough said:
Is it me or is the sky bluer?Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
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BBC says Boris breathing with standard oxygen assistance but does not require mechanical ventilation2
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Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, swine flu, avian flu, MERS...IshmaelZ said:
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
Any of the above still around? Or did they ultimately fizzle out once enough people had immunity, or they mutated (as they must do to keep finding new hosts) and settled into less harmful forms? I'd say recent history suggests that the jury is still very much out on whether this particular virus will stick around or not.
I'm sure there are complicated reasons why (say) bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years in what I assume is an unchanged or mostly unchanged form, while flu bugs change every year, but I suggest that no-one on here actually knows very much about them.
Edit: bubonic plague is obviously caused by bacteria, not a virus, so I'll need a better example. HIV?0 -
It is quite remarkable how, in democracies, the people in government seem (at least on occasion) to be appointed so as to appeal to the voters.OllyT said:
To an extent perhaps but Patel and Raab occupy two of the 3 major offices primarily by dint of being hardline Brexiteers and one has accidentally now become de facto PM. We will see the wisdom of those choices over the coming months.kle4 said:
Probably, but are people ever in high offices purely by being the best people for the job? If it were possible to objectively assess the merits of all MPs and put those best placed in the most appropriate positions I imagine government and opposition alike would look very different.OllyT said:rottenborough said:
Somebody save us from Patel!!!!!edmundintokyo said:
I think you may be at the wrong website?FrancisUrquhart said:Jesus F##king Christ, Fat Head is now speculating on a mechanisms and timing of a Tory party leadership election...
I can't help thinking both Patel and Raab are in such high offices to please the Brexiteers rather than actually being the best people for the job.
Something! Must! Be! Done!
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I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’-1 -
I take it Raab hasn't had it yet then, despite him appearing to be the first member of the cabinet to display the symptoms of the plague.Scott_xP said:0 -
found thisFloater said:Missed the start of the Scottish press conference - do those 74 new deaths include care homes?
The number of people who have died in Scotland after contracting Covid-19 is 296, a rise of 74 from 222 on Monday, Nicola Sturgeon has said.
The figure is "relatively large", she said because the National Records of Scotland is moving to recording deaths seven days a week, having recorded just four deaths over the weekend, which she had said would be "artificially low".
In total, 4,229 people have tested positive across the country and the number of patients being treated in hospital for Covid-19 is 1,751 including 199 in intensive care.0 -
Nice place to run a charity fromisam said:
Sounds like a bad pitch to potential clients in The ApprenticeCyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
“Before SussexRoyal, came the idea of Arche – the Greek word meaning source of action. We connected to this concept for the charitable organisation we hoped to build one day, and it became the inspiration for our son’s name. To do something of meaning, to do something that matters.
“Archewell is a name that combines an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon. We look forward to launching Archewell when the time is right.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/07/harry-and-meghan-to-launch-new-charitable-outfit
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1246348474670604288?s=200 -
Yes many of them are still around, while others are in the flu vaccine.Endillion said:
Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, swine flu, avian flu, MERS...IshmaelZ said:
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
Any of the above still around? Or did they ultimately fizzle out once enough people had immunity, or they mutated (as they must do to keep finding new hosts) and settled into less harmful forms? I'd say recent history suggests that the jury is still very much out on whether this particular virus will stick around or not.
I'm sure there are complicated reasons why (say) bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years in what I assume is an unchanged or mostly unchanged form, while flu bugs change every year, but I suggest that no-one on here actually knows very much about them.0 -
Doesn’t mean I can’t speak English!Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’1 -
I thought Shakespeare was born on April Foold day...Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’0 -
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:0 -
He was baptised on the 26th. His exact DoB is uncertain.squareroot2 said:
I thought Shakespeare was born on April Foold day...Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’0 -
Indeed - for some the lockdown must remain in place until we have had 3 months of no new cases and 6 months of no deaths.Anabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
Extreme binary thinking.
Austria and Germany are putting in place a flexible relaxation system. In a week or so the Uk will likely do the same - and thank god.2 -
"Emergency declared in Japan for Tokyo, Osaka and five other virus hot spots"
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/07/national/abe-officially-declares-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19-in-seven-prefectures-including-tokyo-and-osaka0 -
So the decline in UK deaths in recent days might just be a weekend effect, certainly was in Scotland.Floater said:
found thisFloater said:Missed the start of the Scottish press conference - do those 74 new deaths include care homes?
The number of people who have died in Scotland after contracting Covid-19 is 296, a rise of 74 from 222 on Monday, Nicola Sturgeon has said.
The figure is "relatively large", she said because the National Records of Scotland is moving to recording deaths seven days a week, having recorded just four deaths over the weekend, which she had said would be "artificially low".
In total, 4,229 people have tested positive across the country and the number of patients being treated in hospital for Covid-19 is 1,751 including 199 in intensive care.
I wonder whether the weekend effect applies to England, Wales and NI too or if its just Scotland?0 -
Being a pessimist in normal times is to be thought of as a Cassandra, in present times it is more akin to being seen as a prophet. Society needs both optimists and pessimists. In normal times the optimists have the upper hand so it must be terrible being an optimist when reality is so shudderingly awful, a real challenge to core beliefs.eristdoof said:
I welcome good news. I do not welcome clutching at straws being passed off as good news, e.g. the number of deaths on one day being lower than on the previous day. Unfounded optimism can also kill if it leads to people getting the wrong message.NerysHughes said:
Or providing misinformationAnabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
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Fellow daffodil fancier.Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’0 -
Wait, so the CIA-sponsored mind control drugs they spew out are about to wear off?Beibheirli_C said:
It probably is bluer. Lack of high-level contrails. They are white and spread out thus diluting the blueness. It was noted during 9/11 that the lack of contrails (and thus high-level water vapour) caused noticeable changes to weather etc.rottenborough said:
Is it me or is the sky bluer?Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.
Does this explain why the US still needs to have so many internal flights running?0 -
Both SARS and MERS are still around.MERS has a 33% death rate but thankfully is confined almost entirely to the Arabian Peninsular and is not easy to catch.Endillion said:
Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, swine flu, avian flu, MERS...IshmaelZ said:
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
Any of the above still around? Or did they ultimately fizzle out once enough people had immunity, or they mutated (as they must do to keep finding new hosts) and settled into less harmful forms? I'd say recent history suggests that the jury is still very much out on whether this particular virus will stick around or not.
I'm sure there are complicated reasons why (say) bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years in what I assume is an unchanged or mostly unchanged form, while flu bugs change every year, but I suggest that no-one on here actually knows very much about them.
Edit: bubonic plague is obviously caused by bacteria, not a virus, so I'll need a better example. HIV?
They are really the only two that matter as they are Coronaviruses like Covid-19. The rest are very different and appear to have much higher mutation rates which is why they don't reappear in the same form year after year.1 -
I like daffodils - nice and bright and cheerful and harbingers of warmer weather and sunny days.Nigelb said:
Fellow daffodil fancier.Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’
Anyway, time to do stuff....
Later peeps...
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A couple of people found investing with Madoff excellent - they left shortly before the end.Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
Investing is somewhat like social gatherings. The arrival is nowhere near as important as timing the exit.
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The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0 -
Yes, but they're unstable, and mutate a lot. A lot of the mutated forms are harmless, and every once in a while (~20 years) we get a bad version that kills people. Which is what I would guess (based on ignorance plus lots of time on wikipedia) is what will ultimately happen to this outbreak, once the initial wave is beaten back.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes many of them are still around, while others are in the flu vaccine.Endillion said:
Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, swine flu, avian flu, MERS...IshmaelZ said:
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
Any of the above still around? Or did they ultimately fizzle out once enough people had immunity, or they mutated (as they must do to keep finding new hosts) and settled into less harmful forms? I'd say recent history suggests that the jury is still very much out on whether this particular virus will stick around or not.
I'm sure there are complicated reasons why (say) bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years in what I assume is an unchanged or mostly unchanged form, while flu bugs change every year, but I suggest that no-one on here actually knows very much about them.0 -
By definition she is indeed clever enough to have risen to where she is because she has risen to where she is. But I would stake big money on her score in any IQ test being significantly below any other Home Secretary since records began - barring some long ago outlier whose existence @ydoethur will no doubt inform us off. And point of order - "people like me and you" might have voted for her but the one that IS me definitely never would. Bet you wouldn't have done either if you lived in Witham. Bet you'd have voted for the Liberal Democrat.TOPPING said:She was clever enough to understand what she wanted and then to know how to go out and achieve it. By convincing people like me and you to vote for her and convincing her peers that she was able to handle high office.
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Has investment banking changed at all since then ?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said: 0 -
Well, epidemiologists tell us that when a disease becomes epidemic, you get it in repeated waves until herd immunity builds up (or it is immunised against). They have pointed to repeated epidemics throughout history.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
It may be that this will, almost uniquely, not do so, but I think that if it is expected to be exceptional, we'd need to hear evidence as to why it should be such an exception.
Believe me, I'd love to believe that, but I haven't seen any reason to do so.0 -
Cassandra was a prophet, which kinda undermines your antithesis.ukpaul said:
Being a pessimist in normal times is to be thought of as a Cassandra, in present times it is more akin to being seen as a prophet. Society needs both optimists and pessimists. In normal times the optimists have the upper hand so it must be terrible being an optimist when reality is so shudderingly awful, a real challenge to core beliefs.eristdoof said:
I welcome good news. I do not welcome clutching at straws being passed off as good news, e.g. the number of deaths on one day being lower than on the previous day. Unfounded optimism can also kill if it leads to people getting the wrong message.NerysHughes said:
Or providing misinformationAnabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
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The enforced resting is probably doing wonders.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.2 -
Pen-blwydd Hapus.ydoethur said:
Doesn’t mean I can’t speak English!Beibheirli_C said:
I thought you were Welsh....ydoethur said:
I’ll rephrase:Beibheirli_C said:
SeanT?ydoethur said:
The greatest master of the English language was born on this day.algarkirk said:
Wordsworth, greatest of all Cumbrians, born 250 years ago today. April 7th 1770.ydoethur said:
Perhaps that’s why TSE doesn’t do subtlety.Cyclefree said:
Poetry is one of my consolations. I am going to do something I have not done for a long time which is to learn poems off by heart and recite them. There is no-one to hear them apart from my daughter (and she is well used to my eccentricities), the horse in the next field and the cats.AlastairMeeks said:
They also serve who only stand and wait.AlwaysSinging said:@AlastairMeeks - yes, the same poem has been ringing in my ears for the last 24 hours. When my colleagues adopted an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude, it was the first thing I thought.
What's so frustrating is how powerless we are. I'm not physically able to volunteer to help others, so the best thing I can do is stay at home and not be a drain on hospital resources. It feels cowardly, yet it's the only course of action.
--AS
I’d quote the whole thing, but out of deference to @Casino_Royale I'll go light on the poetry.
At my primary school the nuns made us learn a poem every week and on Tuesday morning before classes started someone would be picked to recite it. It was a marvellous way of improving memory and above all giving us an ear for the sheer beauty and musicality of the English language. And I did lots of poetry reading when I studied drama. At one point we also did poems in Latin and, somewhere in the attic, is my certificate for 1st place in a Latin poetry reciting competition. Now is the time to revive such skills.
I used to recite poems to my children at bed-time: nonsense rhymes and the rest but The Owl and the Pussycat was a particular favourite.
Occasionally I have been known to put obscure references to snatches of poems in my headers. Not that anyone notices ........
And so was Wordsworth...
‘The greatest master of the English language, who uses his brilliance to pun with unmatched flair, was born on this day.’
I think.0 -
LOL
Downing Street has signalled that it does not want to take up Donald Trump’s offer of experimental coronavirus drugs for Boris Johnson. ...1 -
It has become overrun with rapacious rogues formed, chiefly, from small consciences and vast greed.Nigelb said:
Has investment banking changed at all since then ?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Any ancestors caught up in it?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said: 0 -
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Yes, but has it changed ?Malmesbury said:
It has become overrun with rapacious rogues formed from small conciences and vast greed.Nigelb said:
Has investment banking changed at all since then ?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I have no reason to doubt the words but let's be clear that there will need to be expulsions from the party if the words are to have meaning - at all levels.HYUFD said:1 -
Weekend effect has shown itself for the last 2 weekends.Philip_Thompson said:
So the decline in UK deaths in recent days might just be a weekend effect, certainly was in Scotland.Floater said:
found thisFloater said:Missed the start of the Scottish press conference - do those 74 new deaths include care homes?
The number of people who have died in Scotland after contracting Covid-19 is 296, a rise of 74 from 222 on Monday, Nicola Sturgeon has said.
The figure is "relatively large", she said because the National Records of Scotland is moving to recording deaths seven days a week, having recorded just four deaths over the weekend, which she had said would be "artificially low".
In total, 4,229 people have tested positive across the country and the number of patients being treated in hospital for Covid-19 is 1,751 including 199 in intensive care.
I wonder whether the weekend effect applies to England, Wales and NI too or if its just Scotland?
Hence why 7 day rolling average is a better measure.2 -
I have certainly noticed the stars appear brighter at present. Like the Incans I use the Pleaides as a judge of how clear the sky is.Beibheirli_C said:
It probably is bluer. Lack of high-level contrails. They are white and spread out thus diluting the blueness. It was noted during 9/11 that the lack of contrails (and thus high-level water vapour) caused noticeable changes to weather etc.rottenborough said:
Is it me or is the sky bluer?Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.1 -
Did SARS-COV-1 die out? The outbreak seems to have been stamped out fairly effectively by authorities in the Far East, Canada and any other places where it spread.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes it is. The only disease I can think of that has been completely stamped out is smallpox and that only after mass vaccinations.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.1 -
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Ah, but Cassandra was not ‘seen as a prophet’. It’s the perception that creates the difference.IshmaelZ said:
Cassandra was a prophet, which kinda undermines your antithesis.ukpaul said:
Being a pessimist in normal times is to be thought of as a Cassandra, in present times it is more akin to being seen as a prophet. Society needs both optimists and pessimists. In normal times the optimists have the upper hand so it must be terrible being an optimist when reality is so shudderingly awful, a real challenge to core beliefs.eristdoof said:
I welcome good news. I do not welcome clutching at straws being passed off as good news, e.g. the number of deaths on one day being lower than on the previous day. Unfounded optimism can also kill if it leads to people getting the wrong message.NerysHughes said:
Or providing misinformationAnabobazina said:There seems to be an unwelcome virus fascism settling in on PB, where any piece of potential good news is derided, those offering more positive interpretations of the data are attacked, and positions other than extreme extended lockdowns are castigated as irresponsible.
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Made me laugh.eadric said:
Definitely bluer.rottenborough said:
Is it me or is the sky bluer?Cyclefree said:It is a sunny day here. The magnolia tree is almost in full flower. The sky is blue with scarcely a cloud in it. Birds are singing all around. Bees are buzzing. It is the absolute epitome of a beautiful spring day. It is very hard to imagine that anything bad is going on right now.
I am counting my blessings.
And the birds are louder in voice, and the bees are buzzier, and the blossom is thick as cream.
It’s like Nature is already starting to replace us, and forget us.
Though it does remind me of This Other Eden by Ben Elton when most of humanity (the richer bits anyway) lock themselves away from perceived environmental catastrophe and not only does the earth improve quicker than expected, those in poorer nations hardly noticed except that their lives got a little better.0 -
Faith, my fellow - have I not answered thee?Nigelb said:
Yes, but has it changed ?Malmesbury said:
It has become overrun with rapacious rogues formed from small conciences and vast greed.Nigelb said:
Has investment banking changed at all since then ?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
Not in the slightest.0 -
Controlled clinical trials are excellent things, but they don't invalidate case histories and observation (without which you'd be pushed to find things to have trials of). Penicillin went into full production and use without a single controlled or blinded trial being carried out on it. For that matter, the inventor of ibuprofen said last year that he knew it worked because he took some for a hangover, and the hangover went away.Nigelb said:
Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
Or are such things just unnecessary bureaucracy ...0 -
Gold tends to go nowheretimmo said:
Buy the rumour sell the factStuartDickson said:
Perception may be wrong. I’m sticking with my position: overweight on gold.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
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There's very little evidence for that happening any time soon.Endillion said:
Yes, but they're unstable, and mutate a lot. A lot of the mutated forms are harmless, and every once in a while (~20 years) we get a bad version that kills people. Which is what I would guess (based on ignorance plus lots of time on wikipedia) is what will ultimately happen to this outbreak, once the initial wave is beaten back.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes many of them are still around, while others are in the flu vaccine.Endillion said:
Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, swine flu, avian flu, MERS...IshmaelZ said:
You are asking for evidence that "there will be future waves of" an infectious disease - that is, that it will behave like all other infectious diseases in history, ever,in a way which is inherent in the meaning of "infectious." When offered evidence, you reject it as "not evidence." Inductive reasoning has its limitations, but I get on fairly well with assuming that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it always has in the past. If you want to claim that that's not evidence, fair enough.Anabobazina said:
I’m not positing anything of the sort. I don’t know. I merely asked for evidence, which I have yet to receive.IshmaelZ said:
You are the one positing a miracle, because for every infectious disease ever documented bar about 2, once it's there it is there to stay. I am pretty certain people will still be getting flu, colds and chicken pox in 2030. So the burden of proof is with you.Anabobazina said:
That’s not evidence, next.ydoethur said:
Well, it might be pointed out that the Black Death continued to come in waves in Europe for over 350 years, with the last major outbreak occurring in Marseilles in 1720.Anabobazina said:
Evidence?eek said:
Wave 1 might have done... Unless it's 100% stabbed out (and it won't be) future waves are inevitable.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Perception across the world covid 19 has peakedmalcolmg said:
Long may it continueAlastairMeeks said:
Following the Dow Jones, and with sterling falling the FTSE, which makes most of its money outside the Uk, pretty much automatically rises.rottenborough said:Eh? PM lies in ICU, yet FTSE up 2%.
NB:
https://twitter.com/eddyelfenbein/status/1247325085507215361?s=21
Then there were significant outbreaks in Asia, particularly China, in the late nineteenth century and carried on the trade routes there were major outbreaks in California as late as 1924.
Since that time bubonic plague has declined across the globe for some reason. Nobody seems to know why.
Hopefully it won’t take 500 years this time.
Any of the above still around? Or did they ultimately fizzle out once enough people had immunity, or they mutated (as they must do to keep finding new hosts) and settled into less harmful forms? I'd say recent history suggests that the jury is still very much out on whether this particular virus will stick around or not.
I'm sure there are complicated reasons why (say) bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years in what I assume is an unchanged or mostly unchanged form, while flu bugs change every year, but I suggest that no-one on here actually knows very much about them.
It doesn't mutate 'a lot' - the RNA code includes an error correction mechanism, so it's relatively stable. And given how good it seems to be at passing itself on to the next host, there isn't an obvious evolutionary forcing away from virulence.
Over time, very probably; over the next year or so, probably not.0 -
The best thing you can do if you get the virus is simply sleep. A lot.RobD said:
The enforced resting is probably doing wonders.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0 -
Yes. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is truly impressive.noneoftheabove said:
On a global scale Bill Gates certainly seems to be doing his bit for philanthropy.Charles said:
It's amazing what you can do when you don't give a fig for workers rights or conditions.Foxy said:
We used to do that here. In 1893 the The Fountain Hospital in Tooting was built in a few weeks as a fever hospital.Nigelb said:Whatever your views of China (vile regime we shouldn't do business with/vile regime we have little option but to do some business with...), this is a very interesting article:
How Chinese Apps Handled Covid-19
http://dangrover.com/blog/2020/04/05/covid-in-ui.html
...The point of these “fever clinics” (发热门诊), as distinguished from ordinary hospitals, was to give anyone who thought they might be even a little sick a way to get tested and, more importantly, control the spread by isolating even asymptomatic carriers away from their family and co-workers and give them a place to wait it out. Some of these had been established for this reason on a permanent basis during the SARS outbreak in 2003, while others were established only recently.
As the country mobilized, all of the major apps promoted features that clearly listed the hospitals that were handling Coronavirus. This included all the fever clinics that had sprung up as well as normal, pre-existing hospitals with ICUs that had been specially designated for handling serious cases of coronavirus (定点收治医院):
The other aspect Aylward mentions is the use of online consultations. Changes in regulations in the past few years have resulted in an explosion of telemedicine apps in China with plays by tech companies like Tencent and Alibaba, traditional companies like Ping An, and existing online medical information resource sites like Dingxiang.
These apps combine a bunch of things: simple ecommerce (for medicine and medical devices), lead generation/vertical search for specialists offline, and online consultations with doctors at top hospitals. Doctors giving online consultations can write prescriptions which can then be filled in the app. The consultations can be paid for a-la-carte or with an annual plan and are sometimes a loss-leader for their online pharmacy business...
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-Fountain/
It is now St George's Hospital in Tooting, old St George's on Hyde Park Corner closed in 1981, now the Lanesborough Hotel.
We also used to fund things through philanthropy - Chelsea & Westminster Hospital, for example, was privately funded as was the University of Westminster.
I was more thinking about the UK - there are relatively few really serious philanthropic trusts any more - Weston, Wolfson, TCF are the ones that come to mind. Even things like Esme Fairburn have become far more institutional than they used to be,1 -
Controlled clinical trials are excellent for avoiding things like manslaughter charges. People and their pesky rights, eh?IshmaelZ said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent things, but they don't invalidate case histories and observation (without which you'd be pushed to find things to have trials of). Penicillin went into full production and use without a single controlled or blinded trial being carried out on it. For that matter, the inventor of ibuprofen said last year that he knew it worked because he took some for a hangover, and the hangover went away.Nigelb said:
Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
Or are such things just unnecessary bureaucracy ...0 -
It's totally inappropriate to have an organized "clap for Boris" as he lies ill in hospital. Whoever is suggesting it is doing so for reasons that are not benign.FrancisUrquhart said:I see lots of twitter are finding reasons why they possibly couldn't possibly clap for Boris. Insert your ist of choice.
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Hopefully everybody with a sniffle will get put in ICU as a precaution going forward.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0 -
Unfortunately thinking about how vital it is for health to get plenty of sleep is one of things that can keep one up at night.Pulpstar said:
The best thing you can do if you get the virus is simply sleep. A lot.RobD said:
The enforced resting is probably doing wonders.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0 -
Did you watch the BBC reports from inside actual ICUs? Not everyone in ICU is a deaths door.malcolmg said:
Hopefully everybody with a sniffle will get put in ICU as a precaution going forward.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.1 -
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You think he should have stayed at No 10?malcolmg said:
Hopefully everybody with a sniffle will get put in ICU as a precaution going forward.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0 -
Malibu is a shithole.HYUFD said:
Nice place to run a charity fromisam said:
Sounds like a bad pitch to potential clients in The ApprenticeCyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
“Before SussexRoyal, came the idea of Arche – the Greek word meaning source of action. We connected to this concept for the charitable organisation we hoped to build one day, and it became the inspiration for our son’s name. To do something of meaning, to do something that matters.
“Archewell is a name that combines an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon. We look forward to launching Archewell when the time is right.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/07/harry-and-meghan-to-launch-new-charitable-outfit
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1246348474670604288?s=20
PCH is between most nice houses and the beach0 -
They are only interested in one charity and that is themselves.HYUFD said:
Nice place to run a charity fromisam said:
Sounds like a bad pitch to potential clients in The ApprenticeCyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
“Before SussexRoyal, came the idea of Arche – the Greek word meaning source of action. We connected to this concept for the charitable organisation we hoped to build one day, and it became the inspiration for our son’s name. To do something of meaning, to do something that matters.
“Archewell is a name that combines an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon. We look forward to launching Archewell when the time is right.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/07/harry-and-meghan-to-launch-new-charitable-outfit
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1246348474670604288?s=200 -
Hot broth, then lots of sleep yesPulpstar said:
The best thing you can do if you get the virus is simply sleep. A lot.RobD said:
The enforced resting is probably doing wonders.Nigelb said:The PM sounds in slightly better condition than rumoured.
..Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia, Downing Street has said. Until now ministers and No 10 have refused to give a clear answer to this question. But asked if the PM has been diagnosed with pneumonia, the spokesman said: “That is not the case, no.”
The spokesman said that Johnson was “stable” overnight and “remains in good spirits”. In a statement about his condition in intensive care, the prime minister’s spokesman said:
The prime minister has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits. He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any other assistance. He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.0
