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first...first ever in 15 fucking years...I'm first

tyson said:

first...first ever in 15 fucking years...I'm first

You've earned it, my friend.

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

Hardly
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20

It's how much the number might change in the coming weeks which was my concern. Given it will last a long time hopefully they are mentally prepared.

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

US and Spain and France already are in terms of increase in cases and deaths, per capita Sweden and the Netherlands will be too

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

SandyRentool said:

Our bog roll delivery has been pushed back by a week. We should have enough to last.

Some advice for you.

Article in Labour List on likely Shadows:

https://labourlist.org/2020/04/the-next-shadow-cabinet-runners-and-riders/

I have an article there due to appear at the weekend, on suggested strategy.

NickPalmer said:

Article in Labour List on likely Shadows:

https://labourlist.org/2020/04/the-next-shadow-cabinet-runners-and-riders/

I have an article there due to appear at the weekend, on suggested strategy.

Let me guess - you advocate making Momentum a prescribed organisation and expelling its members from the party?

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

Hardly
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053315353460737?s=20
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1246053647919788037?s=20

It's how much the number might change in the coming weeks which was my concern. Given it will last a long time hopefully they are mentally prepared.

It might be wise to seize the opportunity that current public approval presents.
When the lockdown will be loosened it will be important to be able to respond to the inevitable new outbreaks quicker than before. Testing capacity alone doesn't cut it, you have to know who to test.

Tracking of mobile devices might be a very useful tool for that, Apps have already been developed, but the potential for misuse might make it difficult to achieve public consent for that. It really is a significant sacrifice of privacy and data protection, just imagine what Hitchens, Hannan and Toady will say.
It might be advisable to introduce the idea sooner rather than later.

tyson said:

first...first ever in 15 fucking years...I'm first

Hooray, things are looking up!

Lockdown with rising temperatures leading to greater consumption of refreshing cold drinks. What could go wrong? Apart from rising domestic violence?

There are also whispers that capacity strain is moving from the NHS to funeral directors.

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

eadric said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

Either you have a lockdown or you don’t. We have ended up in the middle of fuckwhere.

Lose the economy AND lose 10,000s of lives. Worse than any of our neighbours.

They will never be forgiven.

Uh? You can still take outdoor exercise and buy food even in France and Italy.
Sweden is still pursuing herd immunity for goodness sake.
Spanish unemployment is rising faster than ours

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

There's a load of people who aren't keyworkers and also can't work from home. I think other lockdowns restrict people like this to their houses.

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

Even if so we know what the response to that would be, we're already seeing it - government wasn't clear, wasn't firm enough soon enough. And since most places have lockdowns for it not to work as well as theirs, if it happens like that, will make public failure seem like government failure.

I struggle to see how the government does not come out of this whole thing without a mawling. Even if we don't end up the worse or near the worst in Europe there will be plenty of shortcomings and a long economic mess (however necessary people continue to believe that it is, it won't engender positive thinking toward the government as suffering rolls on).

On the other hand their position for 2024 is not hopeless all the same given the starting point, and it's all rosy at the moment politically speaking. But their original strategy for holding on to that positive impression is gone and if we have a really bad outcome from this it weakens a lot of other strategies.

Pulpstar said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

There's a load of people who aren't keyworkers and also can't work from home. I think other lockdowns restrict people like this to their houses.

I detected the dark arts of Cummings early on...by locking down (but not really)...the fatality figures could be blamed on the public rather than the Govt....

The soundbite...stay indoors...protect the NHS...save lives.....its got all the hallmarks of shit deflection......

TGOHF666 said:

https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/1246142147528720384?s=21

Sounds far fetched? Isn't it about 96% similar to SARS which originated from bats?

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

All these graphs depend so heavily on how you align the startpoint. I have seen similar graphs with the start point aligned at date of 1 death, 3 deaths, 50 deaths.

The effect is to move the individual countries' curves left or right relative to each other but basically, in the west, we are all following the same curve at the moment.

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

You really do not know children if you think under 10s will have no memory of it

I remember ration books and the late 40's, even the Queen getting married, and I was only 4 plus. Our 6 and 8 year old grandchildren will never forget not being able to hug their grandma either

This is a trauma that will live on in very young minds for their lifetime

matthiasfromhamburg said:

eadric said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

Either you have a lockdown or you don’t. We have ended up in the middle of fuckwhere.

Lose the economy AND lose 10,000s of lives. Worse than any of our neighbours.

They will never be forgiven.

It's the lack of prior preparation that hurts you now. What the government has actually done wasn't all that wrong. It's a communication debacle more than anything. Had they played it more seriously they would have been much more likely to be forgiven for ugly numbers.

One of the government's mistakes was to think that everyone would follow advice. Too many people are either total fuckwits or arrogant arseholes who think they know better.

And we still get libertarian commentators wibbling their bollocks views across the media.

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

The economics may do for the Tories far more than the actual virus.

I think it is far too early to think of the poltical price that may or may not be paid

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

The economics may do for the Tories far more than the actual virus.

Currently the UK economy is still doing better than most major western nations though of course the odds are against the Tories exceeding their historic 4th term win last year with an even more historic near 20 years in power anyway, a feat that would surpass any party in government's since that of Salisbury and Balfour

SandyRentool said:

matthiasfromhamburg said:

eadric said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

Either you have a lockdown or you don’t. We have ended up in the middle of fuckwhere.

Lose the economy AND lose 10,000s of lives. Worse than any of our neighbours.

They will never be forgiven.

It's the lack of prior preparation that hurts you now. What the government has actually done wasn't all that wrong. It's a communication debacle more than anything. Had they played it more seriously they would have been much more likely to be forgiven for ugly numbers.

One of the government's mistakes was to think that everyone would follow advice.

I don't think they did think that. It's one reason I suspect measures came later than some wanted, because it needed some public anger at advice not being followed before more would actually follow it. If you follow me.

tyson said:

kle4 said:

tyson said:

NickPalmer said:

Article in Labour List on likely Shadows:

https://labourlist.org/2020/04/the-next-shadow-cabinet-runners-and-riders/

I have an article there due to appear at the weekend, on suggested strategy.

As long as Kier purges all things Corbyn and his disastrous acolytes from the party...I'll be happy....

I'll be raising a toast tomorrow to the end of Corbyn...an absolute wanker of ridiculous proportions.....

Surely you cannot believe he will actually purge them from the party, far too bold an action I'd assume? And Corbyn himself is clearly never leaving the party, so do you think that many of his firmer adherents in the membership at least will depart?

Corbyn and his gang of morons have purged themselves by their utter incompetence...all Keir needs to do is ignore the band of useless fuckwits...

Corbyn is already a wittering irrelevance...it's something that I've never reconciled with people like Nick P...when level headed folk like my good self were saying Corbyn is a disaster....

It is more complicated than that. First, Corbyn's Labour vastly overperformed at ge2017 and we need to explain that, not ignore it. Boris certainly learned from it and lifted large parts of Labour's platform to run against Cameron and May's Conservative Party. It is ironic then, that Labour seems intent on airbrushing 2017 away.

Second, the useful idiots in Corbyn's private office need to go; their 2019 performance in the election and over antisemitism could not have been worse if they'd been CCHQ sleepers.

Third, the casual antisemitism of the ex-Militant types, especially in the North West, where on closer examination it was Ed Miliband and not Corbyn who allowed them to reinfect the party.

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

I agree.

It's amazing how the West has largely abandoned many of the institutions it created.

As I have posted here many times, the amount of data and engagement Chinese doctors have shown in sharing information has been positive....

Undoubtedly in the early stages China tried to cover it up.....

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

You really do not know children if you think under 10s will have no memory of it

I remember ration books and the late 40's, even the Queen getting married, and I was only 4 plus. Our 6 and 8 year old grandchildren will never forget not being able to hug their grandma either

This is a trauma that will live on in very young minds for their lifetime

I remember the 4 day week...it was a real hoot...I loved the fact that we lit candles in the evening when the electricity got switched off....

I only remember the first 3 days of it.

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

I agree.

It's amazing how the West has largely abandoned many of the institutions it created.

That's a seriously bonkers article. Yes, WHO gets funding from every member - the US, Britain, China, and everyone else. Nobody has up to now questioned their impartiality. It does work on the basis of reports from national members, and that's a weakness if the national government lies. But to suggest they're part of a conspiracy is up there with the people who think the UN is patrolling US airspace with black helicopters.

SandyRentool said:

NickPalmer said:

Article in Labour List on likely Shadows:

https://labourlist.org/2020/04/the-next-shadow-cabinet-runners-and-riders/

I have an article there due to appear at the weekend, on suggested strategy.

Let me guess - you advocate making Momentum a prescribed organisation and expelling its members from the party?

Proscribed you mean... I think.

Or maybe not ;-)

TGOHF666 said:

https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/1246142147528720384?s=21

If this is true I don't know what the consequences might be.

Can probably do without Queenie Bee waffling on at the fag end of the weekend unless she can put some serious collateral on the table. Buck House as security for thousands of cheap loans to struggling small businesses?

tyson said:

kle4 said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

tyson said:

NickPalmer said:

Article in Labour List on likely Shadows:

https://labourlist.org/2020/04/the-next-shadow-cabinet-runners-and-riders/

I have an article there due to appear at the weekend, on suggested strategy.

As long as Kier purges all things Corbyn and his disastrous acolytes from the party...I'll be happy....

I'll be raising a toast tomorrow to the end of Corbyn...an absolute wanker of ridiculous proportions.....

Surely you cannot believe he will actually purge them from the party, far too bold an action I'd assume? And Corbyn himself is clearly never leaving the party, so do you think that many of his firmer adherents in the membership at least will depart?

Corbyn and his gang of morons have purged themselves by their utter incompetence...all Keir needs to do is ignore the band of useless fuckwits...

Corbyn is already a wittering irrelevance...it's something that I've never reconciled with people like Nick P...when level headed folk like my good self were saying Corbyn is a disaster....

Whilst I cannot predict which way Starmer will go on many issues, not least because the current situation will no doubt have changed when and how he was planning to do some things, I do look forward to the first time he does something Corbyn does not accept and rebels against.

Corbyn did actually change during his time as leader, be a bit more shifty and wily (ie like leaders are), albeit not very effectively, so I wonder if he will operate as a backbencher as he used to or not.

The first thing Kier will do...is seek to get himself recognised by his first name...Maggie, Tony, Boris.....so a charm offensive....

Since the back bench is an irrelevance in opposition....and only really relevant with a tight majority....Corbyn is done and dusted and cremated...

He has a long way to go on this evidence.

It’s Keir FFS Tyson.

K-E-I-R.

Foxy said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

It will be the end of the Tory government, perhaps for 30 years.

Worst in Europe will be inexplicable, unless there was a tremendous failure by the govt.

Rubbish, first many of the voters in 25 years will be under 10 today and have no memory of it.
Second the lockdown results will not show for a fortnight by which time our total cases and deaths will be still below Italy, Spain and France and on cases Germany too

You really do not know children if you think under 10s will have no memory of it

I remember ration books and the late 40's, even the Queen getting married, and I was only 4 plus. Our 6 and 8 year old grandchildren will never forget not being able to hug their grandma either

This is a trauma that will live on in very young minds for their lifetime

I remember the 4 day week...it was a real hoot...I loved the fact that we lit candles in the evening when the electricity got switched off....

I only remember the first 3 days of it.

They say if you can remember much after the second day, you weren’t there.

NickPalmer said:

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

I agree.

It's amazing how the West has largely abandoned many of the institutions it created.

That's a seriously bonkers article. Yes, WHO gets funding from every member - the US, Britain, China, and everyone else. Nobody has up to now questioned their impartiality. It does work on the basis of reports from national members, and that's a weakness if the national government lies. But to suggest they're part of a conspiracy is up there with the people who think the UN is patrolling US airspace with black helicopters.

Ignoring the Taiwanese evidence because it is nominally part of China as far as the WHO and the UN are concerned, and as evidenced by Aylward's behaviour in the video clip, need to be called out.

geoffw said:

NickPalmer said:

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

I agree.

It's amazing how the West has largely abandoned many of the institutions it created.

That's a seriously bonkers article. Yes, WHO gets funding from every member - the US, Britain, China, and everyone else. Nobody has up to now questioned their impartiality. It does work on the basis of reports from national members, and that's a weakness if the national government lies. But to suggest they're part of a conspiracy is up there with the people who think the UN is patrolling US airspace with black helicopters.

Ignoring the Taiwanese evidence because it is nominally part of China as far as the WHO and the UN are concerned, and as evidenced by Aylward's behaviour in the video clip, need to be called out.

Taiwan is definitely part of China, says so on their passports. Republic of China

eadric said:

GIN1138 said:

eadric said:

GIN1138 said:

TGOHF666 said:

https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/1246142147528720384?s=21

Sounds far fetched? Isn't it about 96% similar to SARS which originated from bats?

NON LOCAL BATS

it actually says BATS

So the lab took non-local bats, started messing around with Coronaviruses from those bats and somehow COVID-19 emerged into the populace?

Well I guess it's possible but to me the much more mundane and less sexy theory that the virus emerged through poor hygiene and animal welfare standards at the market is the most likely...

We'll probably never know.

The lab was investigating bat coronaviruses. Some say for public health, some say for bioweapons. Or both.

The bats they used were not local species. The lab was notorious for cross species transmission. For humans catching viruses. The lab is several hundred meters from the Wuhan wet market.

The theory is that - as has happened often before - a lab worker hoping to make some quick money sold some bats in the market, as Chinese like to eat them.

All this is highly plausible, and a very feasible explanation for what happened.

That doesn't fit with what the article says, it says that Chinese researchers couldn't find evidence of bats being traded in the market.

So what's being alledged, admittedly with scant evidence, is that COVID-19 made the jump from bats to humans, possibly via pangolins (evidence of pangolins being traded in the market is also absent), but nobody has demonstrated that the named animal carriers were sold in the market. It that is the case, then it couldn't have been via the market route, and maybe instead it came from the nearby labs that were researching bat viruses due to a worker at the lab being infected.

kle4 said:

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

Goes against the polls, barely one in twenty thinks this is too much, it’s just more irresponsible press behaviour.

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

Our bog roll delivery has been pushed back by a week. We should have enough to last.

Some advice for you.

The Richard Gere defence I believe?

Per Worldometer, France had 1,355 deaths yesterday and 1,120 today.

FT graph doesn't appear to fit with these numbers.

NB. I know yesterday's number includes non-hospital for more than one day. Is FT just ignoring those deaths? Even if they are, what about today's number? FT shows a number under 500 - a huge discrepancy.

ukpaul said:

kle4 said:

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

Goes against the polls, barely one in twenty thinks this is too much, it’s just more irresponsible press behaviour.

The absolubte state of that front page. Is Flash the Times Editor ?

GIN1138 said:

Anabobazina said:

Can probably do without Queenie Bee waffling on at the fag end of the weekend unless she can put some serious collateral on the table. Buck House as security for thousands of cheap loans to struggling small businesses?

Could you watch something else?

I certainly won’t be watching it. I’m simply requesting she proposes something useful!

Pulpstar said:

ukpaul said:

kle4 said:

TGOHF666 said:

Lockdown’s days are numbers

https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/1246175983809564672?s=21

2 weeks in and people are already grasping for news of its end. Doesn't bode well perhaps.

Goes against the polls, barely one in twenty thinks this is too much, it’s just more irresponsible press behaviour.

The absolubte state of that front page. Is Flash the Times Editor ?

Sir Malcolm Sargent?

matthiasfromhamburg said:

TGOHF666 said:

NickPalmer said:

rcs1000 said:

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

I agree.

It's amazing how the West has largely abandoned many of the institutions it created.

That's a seriously bonkers article. Yes, WHO gets funding from every member - the US, Britain, China, and everyone else. Nobody has up to now questioned their impartiality. It does work on the basis of reports from national members, and that's a weakness if the national government lies. But to suggest they're part of a conspiracy is up there with the people who think the UN is patrolling US airspace with black helicopters.

It’s a pointless institution- up there with the UN for pointlessness.

That sounds a bit ridiculous.
You may claim that it's a flawed organisation, but at the height of a global pandemic anyone should be able to see the point of having a WHO.

Baby steps, at least Harry has stopped whining about the commie NHS.

geoffw said:

fpt

On China and the WHO:

Most critically, Beijing succeeded from the start in steering the World Health Organization (WHO), which both receives funding from China and is dependent on the regime of the Communist Party on many levels. Its international experts didn’t get access to the country until Director-General Tedros Adhanom visited President Xi Jinping at the end of January. Before then, WHO was uncritically repeating information from the Chinese authorities, ignoring warnings from Taiwanese doctors—unrepresented in WHO, which is a United Nations body—and reluctant to declare a “public health emergency of international concern,” denying after a meeting Jan. 22 that there was any need to do so.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/china-coronavirus-who-health-soft-power/

see also, among others:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/

There we go.

Just as I said.

ABZ said:

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

US and Spain and France already are in terms of increase in cases and deaths, per capita Sweden and the Netherlands will be too

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Great. We’re only going to be in the top 5 in the western world.

About right given we are the 5th largest economy in the western world and China is covering up its figures

Don't start that again...

Absolutely - not sure we need more of that! Regarding the exit strategy, which is where the government will really earn their corn, have you heard any whispers? Or is the goal to just get through the next week or two?

Realistically, I think we will not get the virus to zero anywhere, but can control its spread (i.e., no hard lockdown) with much higher throughput testing, smart contact tracing and hopefully a better understanding of how to treat patients who do get infected. Are the medics in the NHS already getting more insight on this last front? For example, when to give oxygen / drugs - or is that still too soon?

No, I don't have any knowledge of the next steps after the peak, but certainly testing and contact tracing are going to be key. Hancock is an App enthusiast so I suspect something like the Korean App.

I hear a lot of pessimism about treatment. All sorts of things are tried out of desperation, but people keep on dying. We have no way of controlling this apart from century old public health measures.

In time I think convalescent serum, and synthetic antibodies will be the best bet until we get a vaccine. In the meantime...

Who's the sensible lady in an orange shawl at Trump's presser?

isam said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Lockdown with rising temperatures leading to greater consumption of refreshing cold drinks. What could go wrong? Apart from rising domestic violence?

There are also whispers that capacity strain is moving from the NHS to funeral directors.

What capacity strain? There are over 5,000 empty critical beds in London

Counting the Nightingale?

The problem of capacity in ICU is that people are not being discharged at the rate that they are arriving, and they need ventilating for weeks. Those beds are going to fill fast.

eadric said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

eadric said:

UK gonna be worse than Italy.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178?s=21

Looks like it could be. Worst in Europe will be tough to explain away no matter the reasons.

The strategy was clear 2 weeks ago....the Govt approach will be to blame the people for not staying in doors as they said......

Either you have a lockdown or you don’t. We have ended up in the middle of fuckwhere.

Lose the economy AND lose 10,000s of lives. Worse than any of our neighbours.

They will never be forgiven.

I'm not sure that's true.

It's all about R.

No lockdown means R is 3 (give or take).

A Wuhan-style lockdown, where only one person from each household is allowed out, perhaps twice a week, to buy groceries. And where the definition of essential work is incredibly tightly defined. And everyone outside the house needs to wear masks probably sees R come down to 0.1-0.2 very quickly. You can infect your flatmates or family... and that's about it.

A semiserious lockdown still ends up with an R of less than 1. I suspect we'll end up at 0.3, 0.4. Which means that infections tail off. Just not as rapidly. So you need to have it for longer.