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Away from from Newark there’ve been two new Euro polls this morning both showing very similar figures. Check the interactive chart – LAB & CON shares both the same while ComRes makes it 38% for Ukip and TNS-BMRB makes it 36%
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As if to underline the point I even had a purple and yellow leaflet through my door in Esher & Walton today....0
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The Conservatives are splitting the UKIP vote...0
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It's the Farage-asgm...
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Bbc politics page asked Stevenage voters to show if ed m has got what it takes to become PM, majority say no.0
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Does this then become an issue of mainstream parties being challenged by the upstart rather more than how much is lost tory votes....0
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I'm tempted to vote for Labour.0
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As I've said before, a chance to poke both Westminster and Brussels in the eye - yet not get Ed Miliband as Prime Minister? It is just so damn tempting....
Tories+ UKIP = 56%
Labour 27%
Now THAT is fascinating for next May....0 -
If repeated on the day Labour will get about the same vote share as the Tories got in 2009. The Tories will get around what Labour got. If the move to UKIP is primarily among Tory voters that's the story. And great news for the SNP.Scrapheap_as_was said:Does this then become an issue of mainstream parties being challenged by the upstart rather more than how much is lost tory votes....
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Paddypower now offering Ukip to get more than 23 euro seats at 5/6 . (originally set bar at over 24) .seems at odds with recent poll moves? Is UKIP still facing trouble with that 'an independence from Europe' candidate0
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They never learn do they.
Let's have some POSITIVE arguments in favour of Europe. Make people feel inspired about the project, instead of ridiculing Joe Bloggs of St Leonards.0 -
Out of interest, what was UKIP getting in the EU polls prior to 2009?0
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4 UKIP voters for every 1 LibDem?
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Mr Farage is either fibbing or very deluded if that is his description of being told to go away by an English student and his Labour/leftie mates: it may be antiKipper bigotry, but it sure ain't racism. Which raises a question about him, to put it politely.SouthamObserver said:
As previously discussed, Farage claimed he was the victim of anti-English racism in Scotland. If Roche is wrong, so is he - as you said when we debated it before.isam said:
Good God man! Why don't you just come out and say things?!SouthamObserver said:
It's no stranger than Nigel Farage's definition of race.AndyJS said:Barbara Roche on Newsnight yesterday seemed to have a strange definition of the word "racist". As far as I know, Romanians aren't a different race to British people.
Go on then, what is Nigel Farage's definition of race?
However, that doesn't in itself affect the discussion you three are having.0 -
@SouthamObserver
'If repeated on the day Labour will get about the same vote share as the Tories got in 2009. The Tories will get around what Labour got. If the move to UKIP is primarily among Tory voters that's the story.'
In 2009 the Tories were the main opposition party and won,in 2014 Labour is the only opposition party and will have lost.That's the story.0 -
I've received one leaflet so far. From the purples. Says it all really.0
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If this was repeated in the GE it would give UKIP a majority of 182! (and leave the Tories with 12).
Of course this won't happen and TBH it concerns me that so much support is being given to a political party with no Manifesto. Popularism is all well and good but the people might get what they asked for. (We might be able to observe a UKIP council - which you can be sure will be the most studied one ever in the press.)
The real question is: how much of the 10% swing to UKIP in the Euros converts to UKIP on the ground for the GE, bearing in mind that when people change their mind it is difficult to get them to change back. I would still be surprised (unless the MSM repeat their stupid attacks next year) if UKIP manage more than a handful of seats, if any.0 -
One slight caveat is that these are on-line polls, which is likely to boost UKIP because of the potential self-select bias.
However, why quibble? You can around still get around 4/5 on Betfair on UKIP either getting most votes or most seats (or 4/5 from Coral on Most Votes) which has got to be a snip.0 -
Farage has amazing momentum at the moment.0
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2010 - Getting rid of Gordon Brown.
2015 - Getting rid of Europe?
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I fear you may be disappointed.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'If repeated on the day Labour will get about the same vote share as the Tories got in 2009. The Tories will get around what Labour got. If the move to UKIP is primarily among Tory voters that's the story.'
In 2009 the Tories were the main opposition party and won,in 2014 Labour is the only opposition party and will have lost.That's the story.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
The only European election leaflet so far has arrived. It's from UKIP.0 -
Ooops.
Trouble is, its not oops.
The 'knock down mosques.....he has a point'' comment is among the most liked on that thread.
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What, Labour?weejonnie said:TBH it concerns me that so much support is being given to a political party with no Manifesto.
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Daily Heil innit.taffys said:Ooops.
Trouble is, its not oops.
The 'knock down mosques.....he has a point'' comment is among the most liked on that thread.0 -
Ditto - although I did receive a charming letter last month from Mr Cameron encouraging me to sign up for postal voting in the forth coming Euro election. No party bumf inside if memory recalls.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The only European election leaflet so far has arrived. It's from UKIP.0 -
With the euros and that polling it certainly means the BNP will lose their 2 seats0
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I got a UKIP leaflet this morning for the Euros, but last week (perhaps the week before) I got a non-election specific newsletter from the blues.AndyJS said:I've received one leaflet so far. From the purples. Says it all really.
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Not anymore....Richard_Nabavi said:You can around still get around 4/5 on Betfair on UKIP either getting most votes .
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Corals 4/5 probably being smashed into at the moment.Slackbladder said:
Not anymore....Richard_Nabavi said:You can around still get around 4/5 on Betfair on UKIP either getting most votes .
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GOOD !state_go_away said:With the euros and that polling it certainly means the BNP will lose their 2 seats
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If you want to ignore the facts, that is, of course, your choice. If "enough" has been said to vindicate Mitchell, why is there very costly litigation pending? It is not in dispute that a police officer who leaked a true account of the incident would be liable to be dismissed for gross misconduct. Indeed, the CPS proceeded on the basis that the officers in question would have a defence to an indictment charging misconduct in a public office, because it could be argued that the leak was in the public interest. The disciplinary offences relate solely to the leaking of the account to the media. They have no bearing on whether Mr Mitchell or Mr Rowland's account is to be preferred. Your position is self-evidently irrational. Would you continue to consider Mitchell to have been vindicated if judgment is entered against him in both actions, a High Court Judge having ruled that he slandered Mr Rowland?JosiasJessop said:I've read it thanks.
But three police officer sacked for misconduct.
Enough said.
It has been clear for a very long time that the crucial questions will be heard and determined in the defamation actions, not in the criminal or disciplinary proceedings.0 -
Bob Hoskins has died.
RIP.0 -
BTW - Do we have any indication of a date for Newark yet?0
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Great actor, RIP.JosiasJessop said:Bob Hoskins has died.
RIP.
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Between 10% and 19%SouthamObserver said:Out of interest, what was UKIP getting in the EU polls prior to 2009?
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Only no.. Bob Hoskins is dead...
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Not until Sir George Young moves the writ in the Commons.Lennon said:BTW - Do we have any indication of a date for Newark yet?
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Nope, I'm not being irrational. I can see the legal point you are making.Life_ina_market_town said:FPT
If you want to ignore the facts, that is, of course, your choice. If "enough" has been said to vindicate Mitchell, why is there very costly litigation pending? It is not in dispute that a police officer who leaked a true account of the incident would be liable to be dismissed for gross misconduct. Indeed, the CPS proceeded on the basis that the officers in question would have a defence to an indictment charging misconduct in a public office, because it could be argued that the leak was in the public interest. The disciplinary offences relate solely to the leaking of the account to the media. They have no bearing on whether Mr Mitchell or Mr Rowland's account is to be preferred. Your position is self-evidently irrational. Would you continue to consider Mitchell to have been vindicated if judgment is entered against him in both actions, a High Court Judge having ruled that he slandered Mr Rowland?JosiasJessop said:I've read it thanks.
But three police officer sacked for misconduct.
Enough said.
It has been clear for a very long time that the crucial questions will be heard and determined in the defamation actions, not in the criminal or disciplinary proceedings.
I can also see beyond it. Mitchell has been greatly wronged. It would be a shame if (and this is certainly possible) the legal system adds to those wrongs.0 -
I live in a rock solid Conservative seat and so seldom receive anything from them at election time, the local Labour party is now non-existent (she moved away last year), but the Lib Dems usually send leaflets and even knock on the door but they seem to have given up this time. However, I have had a leaflet, a letter and an email from UKIP (not a member but I did write to them asking a question about 18 months ago) So UKIP do seem to have some sort of an organisation, centrally and locally, and are trying.0
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I hadn't realised he was ill (Parkinson's, announced 18 months ago) - I still remember the impact "The Long Good Friday" made.JosiasJessop said:Bob Hoskins has died.
RIP.
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Only no.. Bob Hoskins is dead...
Time to watch The Long Good Friday again...
For old time's sake.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27224995CarlottaVance said:
I hadn't realised he was ill (Parkinson's, announced 18 months ago) - I still remember the impact "The Long Good Friday" made.JosiasJessop said:Bob Hoskins has died.
RIP.
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Yeah, it's still more likely than not the baddies will find a way of derailing it eventually but for now it's great.Tykejohnno said:
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Last price matched: 1.68 UKIP Most votes. Massive 1.5/1.99 liquidity gap right now.
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The established parties have a problem. Even when they unite to criticise/smear (delete as appropriate), Ukip gains votes. They thrive on publicity because they appear more normal. Even Godfrey Bloom types can be seen in any pub. So criticising them for not being politically aware is naive, if real politicians are seen as lying thieves.
I don't think the majority are, but they exude an unedifying arrogance. I know what's best for you because I am a superior being. So when they mock the voters for being ignorant, those voters are obviously going to be grateful for the guidance of these superior creatures.
tim had a lot of good points and was sometimes correct but he couldn't stop this same arrogance from coming over.
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Which thread ?
The thread below the Mail's report on the latest pronouncements from the kippers' finest.
I was going to call them outrageous gaffes, but I'm not sure that applies any more.0 -
US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.0
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I am not making a legal point, but a factual one. There is a dispute of fact between Mr Mitchell on the one hand, and Mr Rowland on the other. There is precious little which allows an ordinary member of the public to make a decision about which of their accounts is true. The Crown Prosecution Service say that they have no evidence to suggest that Mr Rowland's account was false. A reasonable man will wait until a High Court Judge, who will have heard all the evidence, has made a decision. You seem to be content to make your own mind up, which is of course your prerogative. But I ask again, if it were held that Mr Mitchell had slandered Mr Rowland, would you still maintain that Mitchell had been grievously wronged?JosiasJessop said:Nope, I'm not being irrational. I can see the legal point you are making.
I can also see beyond it. Mitchell has been greatly wronged. It would be a shame if (and this is certainly possible) the legal system adds to those wrongs.0 -
IS that annualised as well? Which would mean it was effectively flat...MaxPB said:US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.
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Comres details here with some interesting additional points.
http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1167/itv-news-index-european-election-poll.htm
The poll does not explicitly prompt for UKIP, making the result all the more impressive. However, the lead shrinks from 11 to 4 if you take people who are 5-10 (out of 10) certain to vote, rather than people who are 10/10. People are fairly evenly divided on whether UKIP has sensible policies and they think them as dishonest as other parties; Lab and especially LibDem voters think they're racist, while (remaining Tories) on the whole don't. All parties' supporters think them a credible party. 95% of Tories and Labour plan to vote the same way next year; 79% of LibDems and 74% of UKIP (which is still a whopping 29% of all voters).0 -
Mr. Town, that view does neglect the wider context, namely that leaks against Mitchell were made to the press and that a meeting with the police (federation?) was held, after which it was proven the police's comments afterwards were contrary to what occurred within the meeting (because Mitchell was canny enough to tape it).
In short, it's all one-way traffic.0 -
Yes at an annualised rate, it would be 0.025% if stated in our terms. The markets expected slow growth because of poor weather and had pencilled in 1.2% annualised growth, but this is still a bad miss.Slackbladder said:
IS that annualised as well? Which would mean it was effectively flat...MaxPB said:US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.
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You appear to be confusing the law with justice.Life_ina_market_town said:
I am not making a legal point, but a factual one. There is a dispute of fact between Mr Mitchell on the one hand, and Mr Rowland on the other. There is precious little which allows an ordinary member of the public to make a decision about which of their accounts is true. The Crown Prosecution Service say that they have no evidence to suggest that Mr Rowland's account was false. A reasonable man will wait until a High Court Judge, who will have heard all the evidence, has made a decision. You seem to be content to make your own mind up, which is of course your prerogative. But I ask again, if it were held that Mr Mitchell had slandered Mr Rowland, would you still maintain that Mitchell had been grievously wronged?JosiasJessop said:Nope, I'm not being irrational. I can see the legal point you are making.
I can also see beyond it. Mitchell has been greatly wronged. It would be a shame if (and this is certainly possible) the legal system adds to those wrongs.
They sometimes coincide; sometimes not.
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Has Nige mange to rule himself out of all but Dulwich and Kentish seats?
'Farage said if he stood it would be a massive distraction. He said: "I have no real connections with Newark. I would look like an opportunist...'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/nigel-farage-will-not-stand-newark-byelection-ukip
Funny that he's rumoured to be sniffing around Portsmouth now. What's the connection there?
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That depends on the exact wording of Rowland's complaint, and where the burden of proof lies. Is the contentious claim of lying about what happened at the gate, or other things that have been said surrounding the case? I remember a press conference where, in my mind, Mitchell and his team went a bit too far in my opinion in their understandable anger.Life_ina_market_town said:
I am not making a legal point, but a factual one. There is a dispute of fact between Mr Mitchell on the one hand, and Mr Rowland on the other. There is precious little which allows an ordinary member of the public to make a decision about which of their accounts is true. The Crown Prosecution Service say that they have no evidence to suggest that Mr Rowland's account was false. A reasonable man will wait until a High Court Judge, who will have heard all the evidence, has made a decision. You seem to be content to make your own mind up, which is of course your prerogative. But I ask again, if it were held that Mr Mitchell had slandered Mr Rowland, would you still maintain that Mitchell had been grievously wronged?JosiasJessop said:Nope, I'm not being irrational. I can see the legal point you are making.
I can also see beyond it. Mitchell has been greatly wronged. It would be a shame if (and this is certainly possible) the legal system adds to those wrongs.
But the fact remains that the actions of the police caused massive pain to Mitchell and caused him to lose his position unnecessarily. Regardless of what was said at the gate, their behaviour was such that I have utmost sympathy for him, as I would anyone subjected to such awful behaviour. He was wronged, if not in the initial event (and I believe he was), but later.0 -
Got ittaffys said:Which thread ?
The thread below the Mail's report on the latest pronouncements from the kippers' finest.
I was going to call them outrageous gaffes, but I'm not sure that applies any more.
The Mainstream media really doesn't help itself
Take this line for instance:
" fresh comments have emerged " ... FRESH - the screengrabs are of bloody 2012 comments !
In addition the Iain Martin/Dan Hodges articles in the Telegraph both exude the same particular band of smugness.
Certain kippers are even trolling their own threads hoping to get red arrows !
Zalman, uk, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
Typical ukip.
His picture: MARIA MILLER !
ANY sort of press coverage is like a nice warm sea to the UKIP hurricane.
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It is not in dispute that police officers leaked accounts of the incident in Downing Street to the media, contrary to their professional obligations. Neither that, nor the behaviour of the Police Federation representatives in the West Midlands, have any bearing on whether Mr Mitchell or Mr Rowland is telling the truth.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Town, that view does neglect the wider context, namely that leaks against Mitchell were made to the press and that a meeting with the police (federation?) was held, after which it was proven the police's comments afterwards were contrary to what occurred within the meeting (because Mitchell was canny enough to tape it).
In short, it's all one-way traffic.0 -
Makes sense for Farage to not tie himself down and to increase the width behind him. The political class want him to stand somewhere so they have a stationary target.
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No, I am arguing that a High Court Judge who has heard all the evidence and the submissions of the respective parties is a better judge of fact than the man on the street.Next said:You appear to be confusing the law with justice.
They sometimes coincide; sometimes not.0 -
These polls are based on certainty to vote. So which party has a better GOTV operation for its supporters? In particular, if your canvass returns are based on local election or general election questions, does this mean you will be knocking up the right people for the Euros?0
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Got it
It seems that UKIP's hairy-ar&ed amateurishness, its bumpkin naivety, is actually part of its appeal. It seems to confirm the view that UKIP are 'not like the other parties'
The more this stuff gets published, the more popular they get. The papers really should lay off.
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Just watched PMQs. Both Cameron and Bercow very poor.0
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Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?0
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Seismological polls for UKIP. So glad there are two of them cos I wouldn't have believed it. Feels great to be in the majority after so long. Last time I felt like this was when I voted Labour in 97. Roll on May 22.0
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Fact, law, and justice are three different concepts.Life_ina_market_town said:
No, I am arguing that a High Court Judge who has heard all the evidence and the submissions of the respective parties is a better judge of fact than the man on the street.Next said:You appear to be confusing the law with justice.
They sometimes coincide; sometimes not.0 -
All the feedback I was getting last week while I was there was that things were getting a lot better. Given the winter they have had the weather may well be a factor.MaxPB said:US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.
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The most hilarious part of the pie for http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/uk-european-election/most-votes is that 6.68% of bets are on the Lib Dems at 500-1 for most votes.
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I'm sure some posters will come to be pouring scorn on that, as they did with Osborne when it was winter over 2011/12SouthamObserver said:
All the feedback I was getting last week while I was there was that things were getting a lot better. Given the winter they have had the weather may well be a factor.MaxPB said:US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.
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The media and political class could spend five minutes attacking Christian churches over covering up child abuse followed by five minutes saying people who talked about the grooming gangs should be locked up without batting an eyelid.taffys said:Got it
It seems that UKIP's hairy-ar&ed amateurishness, its bumpkin naivety, is actually part of its appeal. It seems to confirm the view that UKIP are 'not like the other parties'
The more this stuff gets published, the more popular they get. The papers really should lay off.
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The obvious conclusion was that the rumours are wrong and he's planning on running in Thanet South again, unless Roger Gale falls over in which case he can run in Thanet North.TheWatcher said:Has Nige mange to rule himself out of all but Dulwich and Kentish seats?
'Farage said if he stood it would be a massive distraction. He said: "I have no real connections with Newark. I would look like an opportunist...'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/nigel-farage-will-not-stand-newark-byelection-ukip
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In the plurality, surely? If UKIP get 51% - that would indeed be a moving of the tectonic plates!Blueberry said:Feels great to be in the majority after so long.
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M'Lud, you are defending English & Welsh law again and leaving poor old "British Justice" to fend for herself.Life_ina_market_town said:
No, I am arguing that a High Court Judge who has heard all the evidence and the submissions of the respective parties is a better judge of fact than the man on the street.Next said:You appear to be confusing the law with justice.
They sometimes coincide; sometimes not.
What influence has the 2013 Defamation Act had on this case. I understand it removed "the presumption in favour of a jury trial" but does this mean that a judge rather than twelve good and true will decide on the matter of whether Andrew Mitchell uttered the word "pleb"?
If my thinking is right then British Justice really has been fed to the dogs.
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Carswell is at it again:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellmp/100269298/britain-is-an-aid-superpower-why-no-celebrating/
Wretched man keeps saying things I agree with even though he is a Conservative MP. Just a back-bencher mind, there is no way on God's good Earth that the PR spiv, Cameron, would ever appoint him to the cabinet.0 -
Exactly how I feelBlueberry said:Seismological polls for UKIP. So glad there are two of them cos I wouldn't have believed it. Feels great to be in the majority after so long. Last time I felt like this was when I voted Labour in 97. Roll on May 22.
I remember watching Blairs conference speech in a Dentists waiting room in 95 or 96 and being so excited that the first time I got to vote I'd be backing a winner....
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I'd also like to see exactly what Rowland's complaint is, and what Mitchell is being sued for.AveryLP said:
M'Lud, you are defending English & Welsh law again and leaving poor old "British Justice" to fend for herself.Life_ina_market_town said:
No, I am arguing that a High Court Judge who has heard all the evidence and the submissions of the respective parties is a better judge of fact than the man on the street.Next said:You appear to be confusing the law with justice.
They sometimes coincide; sometimes not.
What influence has the 2013 Defamation Act had on this case. I understand it removed "the presumption in favour of a jury trial" but does this mean that a judge rather than twelve good and true will decide on the matter of whether Andrew Mitchell uttered the word "pleb"?
If my thinking is right then British Justice really has been fed to the dogs.0 -
There's winter and there's Polar Vortex. There can't have been much construction or any other outdoor work going on in the NE and mid-west for most of the first quarter of this year. Distribution will also have been badly hit. It was not a few days of snow and ice, it was month after month.Slackbladder said:
I'm sure some posters will come to be pouring scorn on that, as they did with Osborne when it was winter over 2011/12SouthamObserver said:
All the feedback I was getting last week while I was there was that things were getting a lot better. Given the winter they have had the weather may well be a factor.MaxPB said:US GDP growth of 0.1%, oh dear. Things may become a little hairy for a while if the US economy doesn't pick up again.
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Apologies if missed it, PP now offering Newark prices:
Tory 4/7
UKIP 9/4
Lab 3/1
Lib Dem 200/1
Others on request...
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Mr. Llama, are you Patrick Mercer disguise?
Mr. Isam, Mr. Blueberry, don't get carried away, given how things went last time.0 -
At this rate...MarqueeMark said:
In the plurality, surely? If UKIP get 51% - that would indeed be a moving of the tectonic plates!Blueberry said:Feels great to be in the majority after so long.
You are of course correct, though. People tend to use majority and plurality interchangeably.0 -
That one's a keeper!isam said:
Hope this time it turns out better! They cant do worse
We'll trot this out when Ed Miliband joins the Euro.
Without a vote.
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Speaker B told Cameron he was "finished" and made sure the way he said it had a double meaning.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
It was a pretty odd session really. House seemed very subdued and hungover from Easter Holidays.
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Bercow cut Cameron off before he'd finished an answer. When Dave said "I haven't finished" Bercow said "You have now". He was just bumptious throughout. I wonder how long he's go in the job?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
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The plurality of people yes but not the majority.Quincel said:
At this rate...MarqueeMark said:
In the plurality, surely? If UKIP get 51% - that would indeed be a moving of the tectonic plates!Blueberry said:Feels great to be in the majority after so long.
You are of course correct, though. People tend to use majority and plurality interchangeably.
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Mr. Gin, Mr. Smithson, thanks for the explanation.
That sounds bang out of order from the Speaker.0 -
Perhaps College will stand in Buckingham again?MikeSmithson said:
Bercow cut Cameron off before he'd finished an answer. When Dave said "I haven't finished" Bercow said "You have now". He was just bumptious throughout. I wonder how long he's go in the job?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
Fritage for Speaker.
Now there is a kipper campaign I could support.
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When he took over from Speaker Martin in 2009 he said he wouldn't serve more than two parliaments, so I would guess he'll step down middle of 2015-2020 Parliament?MikeSmithson said:
Bercow cut Cameron off before he'd finished an answer. When Dave said "I haven't finished" Bercow said "You have now". He was just bumptious throughout. I wonder how long he's go in the job?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
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I always liked the idea of Richard Taylor for speaker when Martin stood down, or another independent MP if one appears by Bercow's departure. Martin Bell invited to run for a by-election so he can have the role is perhaps my dream. Or just a random respected judge.AveryLP said:
Perhaps College will stand in Buckingham again?MikeSmithson said:
Bercow cut Cameron off before he'd finished an answer. When Dave said "I haven't finished" Bercow said "You have now". He was just bumptious throughout. I wonder how long he's go in the job?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
Fritage for Speaker.
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Trouble at home maybe? Perhaps Mrs B's lost her wig somewhere.MikeSmithson said:
Bercow cut Cameron off before he'd finished an answer. When Dave said "I haven't finished" Bercow said "You have now". He was just bumptious throughout. I wonder how long he's go in the job?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson, what did Bercow do wrong?
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Details and vid clip...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, Mr. Smithson, thanks for the explanation.
That sounds bang out of order from the Speaker.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27224129
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Well, Cameron wasn't innocent because when the Speaker cut him off (answering Ed's sixth question) he should have just let it go rather than calling out "I haven't finished". Though I suppose you could argue Speaker B was wrong for cutting off Cameron's answer in the first place.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, Mr. Smithson, thanks for the explanation.
That sounds bang out of order from the Speaker.
Whatever, there's clearly mutual loathing and contempt between the Prime Minister and Speaker of the House, which is unusual to say the least.
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You honestly think that UKIP success wont push Labour policy don't you?MarqueeMark said:
That one's a keeper!isam said:
Hope this time it turns out better! They cant do worse
We'll trot this out when Ed Miliband joins the Euro.
Without a vote.
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