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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,999
    @SeanT - That's Project Fib (c) SouthamObserver please.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Damn, I need a new afternoon thread now

    "Are UKIP confirming their a party of loonies if they're planning to burn an effigy of Tim Montgomerie"
    He's got the scoop on the Ed Balls car crash too

    Европейский комиссар ‏@MoodySlayerUK 35m
    First video of Ed Balls' car crash emerges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA_8ixoQZuM
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "And people from Sussex.."

    I think that should be, "And some people from Sussex". We don't all go out and burn effigies of the Pope or caravans, thank you.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    I don't care what Ed Balls says. I'm not suggesting the ONS is itself massaging figures, just that government is determined to get unemployed numbers down by any means necessary, even if that means a self-employed window cleaner works one day a week and claims benefits for the rest.

    As for Plan A, here's Jonathan Portes from the NIESR.

    http://niesr.ac.uk/blog/fiscal-policy-plan-and-recovery-explaining-economics#.U05jolVdUwA

    Seems fairly clear, though it does beg the question of where HMs opposition is.
    Ok. Let's accept we disagree on Plan A.

    So regardless of what we call it, is it not abundantly clear that the economic policies of the Coalition are working ?

    Do you concede that position or are you like much of the opposition shouting "squirrel" ?

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited April 2014
    @HurstLlama

    There will indeed be some who break through the tax credit rate (though as with other businesses the optimum is below the threshold).
    You of course do not pay cash in hand?....as that way leads to temptation.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    If he resigned, I would imagine most sensible Tories would want to replace him with whoever would take the firmest line on getting a good deal in the negotiations for independence.

    Incidentally, I would be impressed that David actually fell on his sword over this. Lloyd George didn't over Ireland.

    Anyway, it's all moot, as Scotland isn't leaving.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Generally when I go to Sussex, I only visit Brighton.
    Lewes has a very nice photograph collection - well worth visiting. and it's not far from Brighton.

    www.leemiller.co.uk/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,357
    "I think the most important thing about this result is that we believe in self-determination, and the Falkland Islanders Scottish People have spoken so clearly about their future, and now other countries right across the world, I hope, will respect and revere this very, very clear result."
    - David Cameron, 19th September, 2014.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,058
    Miss Marple says
    February 13, 2014 at 1:41 pm
    Chasing the money..

    1. Gordon signs the EU’s Lisbon treaty without holding the referendum he promised us.

    2. The UK government gives the EU £58 million every day.

    3. The EU pays Gordon to deliver speeches that no-one listens to.

    4. Gordon becomes a millionaire.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:

    lol. Just doing my job as a good journalist. Speaking truth to stupidity.
    What, by giving spiteful Jocks more reason to vote for a split, as it will screw the English over too?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    OT Euros: EPP leading, projected 222 vs S&D 209.

    http://www.electio2014.eu/pollsandscenarios/pollsblog

    The whole reason that looking at the party totals is ridiculous is because it's not actually a contest between the EPP and the socialists. It's actually a couple dozen different elections that operate in national conditions and are utterly independent to each other and then randomly totted up at the end. And that shows why the whole concept of a European parliament is a mad idea: there's no demos here for them to be elected from.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Charles said:

    Now you are being even sillier than usual.

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/transactions/annual-transactions.pdf

    There were c. 3,000 residential property transactions in the UK in 2012 with value > £2m, total value of £17bn/ I believe (from memory) around half of these were foreign investors, and they certainly weren't all oligarchs.

    They are sending it over as a simple store of value. It can't be pinched by the next president of your country if you end up on his bad side. So, worst case, you still end up with a £70m house in Kensington (thinking of the Mayor of Kyiv's daughter as a random example) that you can sell and be very very rich even if your country disintegrates
    "There were c. 3,000 residential property transactions"

    I don't recall limiting it to residential.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579770/St-Pauls-risks-rubbed-London-skyline-forever-nearly-250-high-rise-developments-planned-capital.html

    "250 high rise developments planned for the capital"

    They all from help to buy are they?

    "Now you are being even sillier than usual."

    right

    "They are sending it over as a simple store of value."

    Yes, risk assessment. They think all that money they made in the BRICs is safer in the London property market than if they reinvested it in the places they made it - which tells you a lot.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,357
    Is it just me, or would the photo of Dave and Eck in the thread header make an excellent caption competition?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    @SeanT - That's Project Fib (c) SouthamObserver please.

    You're surprised the clickbaiting mockeny is plagiarising PB stupidity? He can't even get his anecdote straight and the Swiss has transformed into an American.

    *chortle*

    You still haven't answered TUD on how you can possibly claim Yes are Project 'Fib' when you yourself think it's NO who are lying about currency. Come on, speak up! At least you stood by your Romney idiocy.


    No wonder you are so confused about which party you support.

    :)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,323

    Oh my good Lord

    @MoodySlayerUK

    Today at 6pm UKIP will be burning an effigy of @TimMontgomerie on a bonfire of Times newspapers. @LolitaScent @screwlabour

    twitter.com/MoodySlayerUK/status/456382268064690176

    I suspect that's someone having a laugh

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    To commemorate the outbreak of the first world war, two sides will build up forces in a military stand off.
    You have to love the irony.
    (BBC breaking ticker)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Sean_F said:

    I suspect that's someone having a laugh

    We are now. ;)

    (see below)
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Charles said:

    As for Tesco brands... what can I say? Some people pay a premium for brands. FWIW, my wife complains that Tesco's brand cornflakes are the wrong shape. Apparently they are more "round" than Kellogg's and therefore I am not permitted to purchase them.
    They do a very nice line in chocolate. Tesco's "finest swiss 72%" is officially yummy.

    http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=256176290

    It's also much the same price as the Lindt though! (Asda)
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    The thing about this latest economic boom nonsense is it shows both Lab and Con were half right.

    Lab were right that "austerity" was only going to make things worse but Con were right the only way you could afford to pump loads of money into the economy is if you got it for free with no borrowing - which is what is happening with all the BRIC oligarchs off-loading their cash stashes into the London property market.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Charles said:



    Snipped for space

    On the taxi hut at Finsbury Square (I thought it was Finsbury Circle mind), I used to use it occasionally, but it was closed during the redevelopment of the square a few years ago & I don't know if it reopened when all about was glitzed up

    As for Tesco brands... what can I say? Some people pay a premium for brands. FWIW, my wife complains that Tesco's brand cornflakes are the wrong shape. Apparently they are more "round" than Kellogg's and therefore I am not permitted to purchase them.

    You mustn't confuse Finsbury Square with Finsbury Circus, Mr Charles. The latter is just off London Wall, almost opposite Carpenters' Hall, and, incidentally, is one of the few places in the City where one can nearly always find a parking spot. The former is at the top end of Moorgate, and, is in fact, outside the city, which is probably why the Burger stand was allowed to exist - Islington Council being less fastidious about such things.

    As to Cornflakes, my sympathies are with your, American, wife. Never eat the things myself (my kidney doctor warned me off because of the amount of salt they contain) but I am sure her instinct is right.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,357

    What, by giving spiteful Jocks more reason to vote for a split, as it will screw the English over too?
    Does Sean want a yes vote so that the Tories can rule England?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    Serious question, could both the validity and interpretation of the referendum result not be subject to legal challenge if, say, a YES vote is narrowly carried by 50.5% to 49.5% on a 70% turnout?

    You'd have a situation where the wording of the question may have had a material impact on the result, and no firm consensus to dissolve a union - and a nation - of over 300 years in standing.

    I suspect the legal challenges would ultimately fail, and YES would get a much bigger mandate even if there were to be an enforced re-run, but it could delay separation negotiations for months, perhaps years.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:

    I felt the phrase was part of the 'common currency' of pb opinion, and therefore you'd be happy for me to use it without asking you first. I got the idea from Stuart Dickson.

    Where did you get the idea to change the Swiss anecdote into an American anecdote ?
    You could at least have given him an eyepatch and a hook for a hand while you were at it.
    Just to make it that much more convincing.

    That's an idea. Maybe I should appraise your telegraph punters of your plagiarism and remarkable changing anecdotes? I've a good few tales of exciting death threats and terrible twitter spats over your boss who might "lose their job" too come to think of it. ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,359
    Lindt chocolate is very nice indeed.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    Socrates said:

    The whole reason that looking at the party totals is ridiculous is because it's not actually a contest between the EPP and the socialists. It's actually a couple dozen different elections that operate in national conditions and are utterly independent to each other and then randomly totted up at the end. And that shows why the whole concept of a European parliament is a mad idea: there's no demos here for them to be elected from.

    If you were right then they'd be moving at random, but they're not. They're following continent-wide trends.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    If what the Better Together campaign says will happen in the event of a Yes vote does happen why would Scottish voters blame the Unionist parties for that? The SNP's case is that Better Together is Project Fear; ie, that what is predicted to happen in the event of a Yes will not transpire and that instead everything will work out just fine: there will be a currency union, there will be no flight of business or capital, pensions will be unaffected, EU entry will be automatic and immediate, the rUK government will still build ships in Scotland and so on. These things will either turn out to be true or they will not. And if they are not true, the SNP will be shown to be utterly naïve at best, unprincipled dissemblers at worst.

    I did say 'what is seen as reasonable', and I think that is the key element. If someone threatened to smash the dinner service if his partner served broccoli again, then he would still get the blame even if broccoli was served.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Just so everyone's aware, SeanT thinks the economic collapse from Scottish independence would be so severe, it might not tip the UK into recession for a full two years after it happens.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    "Are UKIP confirming their a party of loonies if they're planning to burn an effigy of Tim Montgomerie"

    confirming 'they're' a party of loonies - tish tish TSE.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,074
    Socrates said:

    The whole reason that looking at the party totals is ridiculous is because it's not actually a contest between the EPP and the socialists. It's actually a couple dozen different elections that operate in national conditions and are utterly independent to each other and then randomly totted up at the end. And that shows why the whole concept of a European parliament is a mad idea: there's no demos here for them to be elected from.

    Even if it was it's tweedledum versus tweedledee. Neither of whom make any real impact on the direction and agenda of the EU in any event, although I expect EiT will be keen to pop up and tell us how untrue that is because the European Parliament voted to deregulate marketing regulations on paper clips sold outside normal working hours.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Lindt chocolate is very nice indeed.

    Really? Just when is the Dancer's birthday?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Lindt chocolate is very nice indeed.

    I've just been browsing their website. They have a hot chocolate recipe that includes peppercorns! I'm going to have to buy a vanilla bean.

    http://www.lindt.co.uk/fileadmin/lindt_int/SOC_HTML/Recipes_EN/HotChocolate_en.pdf

    http://www.lindt.co.uk/noswf/eng/secrets-of-chocolate/secrets-of-chocolate/recipes/
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Does Sean want a yes vote so that the Tories can rule England?
    Who knows what a clickbaiter thinks from minute to minute. Apparently labour were complacent fools for getting the Yes campaign so wrong so now the best thing for a clickbaiter to do is copy their scaremongering to ensure a No??
  • "Are UKIP confirming their a party of loonies if they're planning to burn an effigy of Tim Montgomerie"

    confirming 'they're' a party of loonies - tish tish TSE.

    Sigh.

    I'm blaming auto-correct.

    As penance the afternoon thread will be about electoral reform.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    "Are UKIP confirming their a party of loonies if they're planning to burn an effigy of Tim Montgomerie"

    confirming 'they're' a party of loonies - tish tish TSE.

    The UKI'P apostrophe.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    If we are trademarking terms I'll have Red Liberals please.
    However, happy for others to use it under Fair Use.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    This could be why the DT is taking a different line to the Murdoch controlled media who have set the attack dogs on Farage.

    http://www.marlboroughnewsonline.co.uk/news/all-the-news/2850-daily-telegraph-s-co-owner-is-discreet-supporter-of-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-claims-private-eye
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2014


    As penance the afternoon thread will be about electoral reform.
    Noooooooo! : (
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    @SeanT - That's Project Fib (c) SouthamObserver please.

    Good one!

    And more charitable than the 'Project Fantasy' that I would choose.......

    Not only can Eck tell what 27 EU Governments will decide, he can also decide where a foreign government will build its warships!

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    This could be why the DT is taking a different line to the Murdoch controlled media who have set the attack dogs on Farage.

    http://www.marlboroughnewsonline.co.uk/news/all-the-news/2850-daily-telegraph-s-co-owner-is-discreet-supporter-of-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-claims-private-eye

    The mention of a hotel called 'Ritz' must have brought Hamilton out in a sweat.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    edited April 2014

    The whole reason that looking at the party totals is ridiculous is because it's not actually a contest between the EPP and the socialists. It's actually a couple dozen different elections that operate in national conditions and are utterly independent to each other and then randomly totted up at the end. And that shows why the whole concept of a European parliament is a mad idea: there's no demos here for them to be elected from.
    Even if it was it's tweedledum versus tweedledee. Neither of whom make any real impact on the direction and agenda of the EU in any event, although I expect EiT will be keen to pop up and tell us how untrue that is because the European Parliament voted to deregulate marketing regulations on paper clips sold outside normal working hours.

    I don't follow paperclip issues do I can't comment on that one but I do follow IP and internet censorship issues. The EU parliament killed ACTA, which is far more consequential than any difference between what Con+Lib have been doing this parliament and what Lab would have done if they'd got in.
  • Let's all be a bit positive. What we're going to get is a narrow(ish) NO. Followed by devomax. Possibly followed by a more federal UK. We'll all end up happy.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Carnyx said:

    I did say 'what is seen as reasonable'
    But its all been 'what is seen as reasonable to Scotland' After September 18th, what 8% of the UK thinks does not matter much compared to what 92% of the UK thinks.....
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:


    I know a broadsheet is above your reading age, but I would have thought this phrase should still be within your comprehension:

    'based in Switzerland'

    Not what you claimed on here chum.

    Somehow

    "I was debating indy with a Swiss financier the other day,"

    Has become

    "An American verdict on the plan to saw Britain in half: 'You must be mad'"

    Why, oh why, didn't you give him a cockney accent??

    ROFL

    No wonder the actual journos laugh at the clickbaiters so much.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,357

    Sigh.

    I'm blaming auto-correct.

    As penance the afternoon thread will be about electoral reform.
    The Alternative Groat?

    :)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Noooooooo! : (
    Nonsense, Mr. St. Clare, It's just coming up to 13:00 and assuming NightHawks kicks off at about 21:00 that gives us 8 hours or so to debate the relative merits of AV, STV, D'Hont, PR^2 and all the others. What better way of spending a sunny Wednesday afternoon could you think of?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,323

    The whole reason that looking at the party totals is ridiculous is because it's not actually a contest between the EPP and the socialists. It's actually a couple dozen different elections that operate in national conditions and are utterly independent to each other and then randomly totted up at the end. And that shows why the whole concept of a European parliament is a mad idea: there's no demos here for them to be elected from.
    Even if it was it's tweedledum versus tweedledee. Neither of whom make any real impact on the direction and agenda of the EU in any event, although I expect EiT will be keen to pop up and tell us how untrue that is because the European Parliament voted to deregulate marketing regulations on paper clips sold outside normal working hours.

    Quite. The EPP, European Socialists, ALDE are pretty well indistinguishable at EU Parliament level (I accept, there can be significant differences between the member parties at national level) Whether Shultz or Junker gets elected, they'll be equally inimical to British interests.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    The Crystal Methodist has been charged with possession of Class A & C drugs.....
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:

    Why don't you rebut my argument and refute my points in your own Telegraph blog or Guardian column?

    Ah. See your problem. Sorry about that.
    You mean the column you were p*ssing yourself in fear you would lose when Smithson tweeted your boast about your Telegraph overseer 'losing his job' if he published one of your clickbait pieces?

    Shouldn't I just refute your points on your column or would you delete that pretty damn quickly? Do you make death threats against posters in your Telegraph column BTW or is it just on PB? :)

    Even on here you were pulled up about about your anecdote being Swiss in case you have conveniently forgotten.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,058
    edited April 2014
    How many MPs do people here expect Labour to get in 2015 if there is a Yes vote ?

    When you look at the data they still must be nailed on to get at least 30 seats - even if Scotland votes Yes. The central belt will still vote them in come hell or high water I believe.

    Could well form part of the crucial numbers for any Ed M Gov't.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    For a long time now people have been waiting for Labour’s big reveal. Ed Miliband and Jon Cruddas and Ed Balls and Harriet Harman would one day stand up and go “ta-dah!!!!!” and with a dramatic flourish unveil a raft of exciting and radical policies to amaze and excite us.

    There is not going to be a big reveal. Sadly, Ed Miliband will not be sawn in half. Jon Cruddas will not emerge dripping but unscathed from a glass water tank. Ed Balls will not remove his mask to reveal the smiling face of the lovely Harriet Harman.


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100267908/those-exciting-labour-policies-you-were-waiting-for-there-arent-any/

  • Is that a recent photograph of Dave - he certainly looks a great deal thinner in the face or is it just an optical illusion as he stands adjacent to Alex Salmond?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    SeanT said:

    Feel free to start a mad cyberNatty rant under any of my blogs. This will increase argumentation, and up my click rate, so I will get paid more.
    You certainly proved me wrong about clickbaiters and why they are laughed at, didn't you?

    LOL
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,616
    edited April 2014
    SeanT said:


    Where did you get the idea to change the Swiss anecdote into an American anecdote ?
    You could at least have given him an eyepatch and a hook for a hand while you were at it.
    Just to make it that much more convincing.

    I know a broadsheet is above your reading age, but I would have thought this phrase should still be within your comprehension:

    'based in Switzerland'

    I like what you did because as well as indy, you can now have a simultaneous parallel debate about whether a "Swiss Financier" is properly Swiss and how pre-existing Swiss people view him and what it means to be "Swiss" plus of course what are the boundaries of Swissdom.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    A seven point turn?! I never knew Ed was a girl. *ducks*
    On the subject of trademarking terms, without bothering to check back, I am claiming Faragasm which I coined straight after the debate.
    And, for personal reasons, I would like the rights to Con Maj Nailed On, as I plan to use it at some point in the next 30 years to invade a socialist.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Maybe it was my max allowed bet that smashed this market into shape? #ladygodiva

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft 35m
    Bookies have tightened the odds from 5/1 to 3/1 that the Libdems will get zero seats at the European Elections.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Ed Balls having another car crash.....this time on WATO......
  • New thread, in which an electoral voting system is discussed
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,105

    Is that a recent photograph of Dave - he certainly looks a great deal thinner in the face or is it just an optical illusion as he stands adjacent to Alex Salmond?

    It's taken just after the signing of the Edinburgh agreement. Dave is now fatter and Eck thinner. Perhaps they'll soon be of a similar 'hanging' weight.

    It rather looks like Dave squeezed out a 'silent but deadly' and Eck's just realised.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    SeanT said:

    What do YOU think would be the economic consequences, for the RUK, following a YES vote?
    Not a lot, Mr. T, not a lot. An increase in the debt interest payment, but nothing horrendous, rUK government might have to shift a few billion from DFiD to Defence, but that can only be good for rUk economy but, assuming rUk has a sensible negotiating team in place, I can't see why it should be a big deal.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    New thread, in which an electoral voting system is discussed </blockquot

    Huzzah!

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,616

    Not a lot, Mr. T, not a lot. An increase in the debt interest payment, but nothing horrendous, rUK government might have to shift a few billion from DFiD to Defence, but that can only be good for rUk economy but, assuming rUk has a sensible negotiating team in place, I can't see why it should be a big deal.
    population wise (ie if assets & liabilities were divided according to population), iScotland's debt to GDP ratio would be 73%, although they would want it to be calculated on a different ("historic") basis taking it to 60%. The issue would be the degree of fiscal tightening required in particular if they wanted to join the Euro.

    Not impossible to manage.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    The Daily Express headline re "The War on Benefits" and IDS has led to some deserved criticism from organisations representing disabled people.


    MS Society UK ‏@mssocietyuk 1h
    Hmm, a *war* is being fought? With the most vulnerable in society, who're using a lifeline. Sounds like a fair fight. pic.twitter.com/HreH1s0xh9

    Are the public really on board with IDS" Welfare Reform" with this sort of rhetoric which has encouraged hate crimes against disabled people?

    The despicable portrayal of long-term,progressive conditions,as some sort of "lifestyle choice" is beyond inhuman.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    It's taken just after the signing of the Edinburgh agreement. Dave is now fatter and Eck thinner. Perhaps they'll soon be of a similar 'hanging' weight.

    It rather looks like Dave squeezed out a 'silent but deadly' and Eck's just realised.

    Eck looks as if he's dreaming of a roast Pork curry.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    It's taken just after the signing of the Edinburgh agreement. Dave is now fatter and Eck thinner. Perhaps they'll soon be of a similar 'hanging' weight.

    It rather looks like Dave squeezed out a 'silent but deadly' and Eck's just realised.

    keep in mind the incompetent fop actually believes he's a giant Dyno-Rod when Jesus isn't telling him about the Big Society.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    The Daily Express headline re "The War on Benefits" and IDS has led to some deserved criticism from organisations representing disabled people.


    MS Society UK ‏@mssocietyuk 1h
    Hmm, a *war* is being fought? With the most vulnerable in society, who're using a lifeline. Sounds like a fair fight. pic.twitter.com/HreH1s0xh9

    Are the public really on board with IDS" Welfare Reform" with this sort of rhetoric which has encouraged hate crimes against disabled people?

    The despicable portrayal of long-term,progressive conditions,as some sort of "lifestyle choice" is beyond inhuman.

    You're in the wrong place to be arguing for fairness, humanity and common decency to the disabled and those on welfare. This is PB. Where the right wingers and their anecdotes rule. Where there can be no poverty, suffering or hardship while flat screen TVs exist.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    But its all been 'what is seen as reasonable to Scotland' After September 18th, what 8% of the UK thinks does not matter much compared to what 92% of the UK thinks.....
    Mr Observer and I were specifically discussing voters in Scotland at the 2015 GE, unless the SNP are going to put up candidates south of the border ...
  • I have finally registered here to say 'what a pile of crap'.

    If Scotland votes yes, the Tories are much, much, much more likely to win general elections in the rest of the UK. If you're Dave, you don't resign, you start (secretly) opening the champagne.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,616

    I have finally registered here to say 'what a pile of crap'.

    If Scotland votes yes, the Tories are much, much, much more likely to win general elections in the rest of the UK. If you're Dave, you don't resign, you start (secretly) opening the champagne.

    Excellent and welcome - I would head over to the other thread as people are congregating there...!
  • Cameron has stated that he does not want to be PM of England alone. If Scotland goes let's hope he goes. Yes I know about Wales and N.Ireland.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,988

    Is the failure of the Yes campaign down to Salmond being toxic , Yes supporters being unable to debate their position out of a paper bag or the Yes position being a lost cause from the start ?
    MarkSenile, LOL, will the LibDems be able to fill a taxi after the next election , or will they also have less representatives than there are panda's in the country.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,988
    Scott_P said:

    They got nearly as many votes as the SNP At the request of Scottish politicians They got nearly as many votes as the SNP Cameron is not a Scot and has no vote in the referendum. How many other non-voters do you think should take part? Apart from all the Tory voters outside England.

    Congratulations on what is a good candidate for fatuous post of the day.
    LOL, turnip head gets worse , who could have believed it.

    The Tories nearly won but have 1 MP and a handful of MSP's due to list system

    UK PM should not be involved in break up of UK says sage who reckons every man and their dog should get a vote

    Scottish Tories begged to be guinea pigs for Poll Tax
  • David Cameron should be involved in the break up of the UK. He is an English voter and he should get a vote in a referendum on English independence. Why are we English never asked what we want?
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