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As I understand it most Muslim traditions don't ban consuming any alcohol outright, rather you're not allowed to consume substances that in larger (but practical to consume) amounts would contain enough alcohol to intoxicate. So "non-alcoholic" beer, which in fact contains about 0.5% alcohol, is OK because you can't practically consume enough to become intoxicated. I should imagine the same is true of vinegar.surbiton19 said:
Doesn't Vinegar ? Muslims consume vinegar [ sirqa ] by the gallons.JohnLilburne said:
Marmite is of course a by-product of brewing and I presume vegemite is too. Not sure if that makes a difference so long as they don't contain alcohol.rpjs said:
Dunno about kosher, but IIRC halal is only concerned with the slaughter of animals providing meat, and there are no other Islamic dietary restrictions other than the prohibition of pork and the consumption of blood.OldKingCole said:Is Marmite either Halal or kosher? Would Vegemite work? Prefer Bovril myself.
So Vegemite by not containing any meet is ipso facto halal.0 -
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
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I'm guessing the issue is that VAT is refunded as goods leave the EU, ie you move them from RoI to NI. If you don't control the border they can easily be smuggled back into the EU again, thus fraudulently eliminating VAT from internal EU goods.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am surprised there are VAT issues given there is slready a VAT border between NI and Ireland.Richard_Nabavi said:If Andy Bruce is right, then the deal will be agreed. Issues involving VAT won't scupper it, although they might delay it because of the need to pin down the details.
There are some other VAT anomalies. Private citizens can buy stuff in the other territory effectively free of VAT but have to pay it in their own territory.
My guess is that the EU is insisting on NI being in the EU VAT area, which potentially puts it outside the UK one.0 -
No they’re just throwing their toys out of the pram because they’re not getting their veto and won’t be able to take Stormont hostage every 4 years .Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
I hope Johnson tells them to get lost .0 -
Don't talk crap we have paid in lots more than we received out , over 68B in last 30 years or so. They can't corrupt the SNP into voting for their crooked hides but have eager customers in NI. Trust you to be on the side of crooks, no surprise.Charles said:
Whereas you lot automatically get your cut via the Barnett formula without all this unseemly wrestlingmalcolmg said:Amazing that everything depends on a handful of rogues from NI. Boris and others grovelling and throwing cash at them. What a pathetic state this wretched union is in. They deserve all they are going to get.
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They can then vote the deal down!nico67 said:
No they’re just throwing their toys out of the pram because they’re not getting their veto and won’t be able to take Stormont hostage every 4 years .Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
I hope Johnson tells them to get lost .0 -
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There's still some room left in the Group4 wagon parked in Downing Street.nico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
Get the printing presses rolling, Sajid.......0 -
Bad luck for Brexiteers.Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47747945
Brexit: Nigel Dodds 'would rather stay in the EU than risk union'0 -
The concessions they extract now will be on their GE leaflets.nico67 said:
No they’re just throwing their toys out of the pram because they’re not getting their veto and won’t be able to take Stormont hostage every 4 years .Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
I hope Johnson tells them to get lost .
It's business.0 -
Apparently the level playing field provisions on workers rights aren’t in this deal . Good luck if you’re a Labour MP and vote for that .0
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I assume the merry box 8 and 9 dance and Intrastat will continue for a whileRichard_Nabavi said:
Presumably it's something to do with the fact that the UK will be outside the EU VAT rules.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am surprised there are VAT issues given there is slready a VAT border between NI and Ireland.Richard_Nabavi said:If Andy Bruce is right, then the deal will be agreed. Issues involving VAT won't scupper it, although they might delay it because of the need to pin down the details.
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She is lower than the low, I hope she never gets another nights sleep. What a scumbag.Charles said:
I've some sympathy for her leaving.Cyclefree said:
There are some orders you refuse to obey. Out of plain human decency, frankly. This should have been one of them, if in fact there was an "order".Time_to_Leave said:
I agree. Though, was she ordered to? He husband was a “diplomat”, does she work for the US Gvt too?Cyclefree said:
Why in God's name did Mrs S agree to it? I think far more criticism should be made of her than Trump in this case. Any decent person would have said no to such a circus.Time_to_Leave said:
Oh that’s inexcusable and shows Trump is an arse. I assumed that was priced in and was talking about the underlying issue and the advice he’s getting.Charles said:
How about that stunt in the White House?Time_to_Leave said:
The individual has/had diplomatic immunity. There’s various bits of complexity around that; but all nations guard that religiously. If it doesn’t matter with us because they trust our legal system, then what about France? What about Mexico? What about Egypt? What about Iran?Cyclefree said:
There is a UK-US Extradition Treaty.Time_to_Leave said:
You do realise no nation on the planet would “hand over” a citizen in these circumstances without months of patient diplomatic work? Of course you do.Gabs2 said:The refusal of the US to handover the apparent killer of Harry Dunn or provide redress to the Connors after the disgusting abuse of their infant son shows the United States is no longer a friend to the UK. Nor should they any longer be considered a civilized Western country.
We all dislike Trump. We mustn’t let it blind us when the US is actually just acting like we would.
There’s obviously a line in there somewhere, but it’s better not to try and draw it, and to keep consistent for all countries. We’d do the same.
It’s unimaginable what that family is going through, but it’s not a Trump/US thing.
Edit - It also really does emphasise he thinks like a reality tv star. Probably something we can learn from that in predicting future behaviour. I mean “well guess what, we’ve brought her here tonight to apologise” is unbelievably crass and naive.
She was scared, no doubt advised by the embassy and lawyers to leave and did what she was told.
But once she had the time to get home and reflect on the situation she should have done what you said.
(I'll see what my wife can find out from her friends at the 'embassy'..)0 -
No theyre just better at negotiation than HMG, who knows the tantrums could be part of a ploy to get the EU to settle while the going is good. Frankly none of us know so why get excited ?nico67 said:
No they’re just throwing their toys out of the pram because they’re not getting their veto and won’t be able to take Stormont hostage every 4 years .Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
I hope Johnson tells them to get lost .0 -
I hope so - what larks.Alanbrooke said:
does this mean multi nat onliners cant play the bought in luxemburg wheeze ?TGOHF2 said:
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1184510435581681664?s=21Richard_Tyndall said:
I am surprised there are VAT issues given there is slready a VAT border between NI and Ireland.Richard_Nabavi said:If Andy Bruce is right, then the deal will be agreed. Issues involving VAT won't scupper it, although they might delay it because of the need to pin down the details.
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The problem the Dems have is that their leading moderate is not as mentally sharp as he once was.rottenborough said:NYT: Charles Blow on Biden at debate - "Bless his heart. It feels like he’s just hanging on for dear life. At moments, it felt like he vanished, not just because it wasn’t his time to speak but because his aura of invincibility is flickering like a candle in a hurricane. But he yelled in his closing, so there’s that."
Other columnists also gave him the thumbs down.
Not looking good for the Dems at the moment.
Yes, I know I take the piss out of @HYUFD, but he's absolutely right that the Biden of 2016 was a formidable candidate who would have hammered Trump.
But Biden is four years older, and isn't (frankly) as coherent as he was then. His inability to count to three. His inability to think on his feet. His statements that he's going to abolish capital gains tax... no wait, he's going to increase it.
He's a man who was once great, but is now rambling and only semi-coherent. Trump would absolutely hammer him.
Which leads to one of two conclusions: if Biden fades before Iowa, then whichever moderate is ahead of him there is going to be going toe-to-tow with Warren. If Biden manages to hang on to second in Iowa, then I think Warren is going to wipe the floor with Biden over the course of the Primaries.
My view is that Biden is losing ground in Iowa, has the least committed support, and doesn't have the ground organisation. I think that points to someone else winning there. And right now, Buttigieg is the guy making waves in Iowa.0 -
Labour could have had that already, along with environmental protections and a customs union - May offered Corbyn literally all his demands, but he turned it down regardless.nico67 said:Apparently the level playing field provisions on workers rights aren’t in this deal . Good luck if you’re a Labour MP and vote for that .
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errr thats from last Marchwilliamglenn said:
Bad luck for Brexiteers.Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47747945
Brexit: Nigel Dodds 'would rather stay in the EU than risk union'0 -
No, it really doesn't.TGOHF2 said:
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1184510435581681664?s=21Richard_Tyndall said:
I am surprised there are VAT issues given there is slready a VAT border between NI and Ireland.Richard_Nabavi said:If Andy Bruce is right, then the deal will be agreed. Issues involving VAT won't scupper it, although they might delay it because of the need to pin down the details.
That's a really bad idea. For various reasons, VAT is much better than a sales tax, as pretty much 100% of economists agree.1 -
Carswell is a thickiercs1000 said:
No, it really doesn't.TGOHF2 said:
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1184510435581681664?s=21Richard_Tyndall said:
I am surprised there are VAT issues given there is slready a VAT border between NI and Ireland.Richard_Nabavi said:If Andy Bruce is right, then the deal will be agreed. Issues involving VAT won't scupper it, although they might delay it because of the need to pin down the details.
That's a really bad idea. For various reasons, VAT is much better than a sales tax, as pretty much 100% of economists agree.0 -
Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 20190 -
Porn blocker plan "dropped" https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50073102
I think that was nailed on once shagger got the keys to No. 10.-1 -
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 20190 -
Pedant alert: gaul should be GallStocky said:Re Dan Hodges: Yes, Lab/SNP/LD MPs will do all they can to stop government securing a deal. Can`t let Tories get credit.
They are against a deal and against no deal yet have the gaul to say that they are respecting the ref result.1 -
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.2 -
Their adherence to proper scrutiny processes evaporates when they wish to pass a bill in a day. Granted those are generally simpler, but even the Benn Act people have questioned what certain parts mean and theorized about ways around it, things that could be ironed out with the proper process.Foxy said:
If there is a deal, they do need time to read and digest it. As always the devil is in the detail.rottenborough said:
Bouncing it though without scrutiny is unwise. That is how Mrs T passed the Single European Act that set the ball rolling on Euroscepticism.
Now, expediting things might be necessary and appropriate, but it's still not a cast iron commitment to scrutiny as your presentation.2 -
Or have less ground to recover.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So he could fall furtherMorris_Dancer said:As someone in the comments pointed out, Corbyn's low approval rating is actually better than it was before the election in 2017:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1184424977048784898
Worth considering.0 -
Is the Gaul Dogmatix?malcolmg said:
Pedant alert: gaul should be GallStocky said:Re Dan Hodges: Yes, Lab/SNP/LD MPs will do all they can to stop government securing a deal. Can`t let Tories get credit.
They are against a deal and against no deal yet have the gaul to say that they are respecting the ref result.
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Been a while since we had a 'better remain than this' approach.williamglenn said:
Bad luck for Brexiteers.Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47747945
Brexit: Nigel Dodds 'would rather stay in the EU than risk union'
The dup risk the union sufficiently as it is.0 -
Still no reason for Labour MPs to vote for this deal.Andrew said:
Labour could have had that already, along with environmental protections and a customs union - May offered Corbyn literally all his demands, but he turned it down regardless.nico67 said:Apparently the level playing field provisions on workers rights aren’t in this deal . Good luck if you’re a Labour MP and vote for that .
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Thats true but is irrelevant to whether it would be acceptable on it's own terms or not. Parliament should pass subject to referendum.Cyclefree said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.0 -
Only Biden can beat Warren. Buttigieg will be toast if he ends up against herrcs1000 said:
The problem the Dems have is that their leading moderate is not as mentally sharp as he once was.rottenborough said:NYT: Charles Blow on Biden at debate - "Bless his heart. It feels like he’s just hanging on for dear life. At moments, it felt like he vanished, not just because it wasn’t his time to speak but because his aura of invincibility is flickering like a candle in a hurricane. But he yelled in his closing, so there’s that."
Other columnists also gave him the thumbs down.
Not looking good for the Dems at the moment.
Yes, I know I take the piss out of @HYUFD, but he's absolutely right that the Biden of 2016 was a formidable candidate who would have hammered Trump.
But Biden is four years older, and isn't (frankly) as coherent as he was then. His inability to count to three. His inability to think on his feet. His statements that he's going to abolish capital gains tax... no wait, he's going to increase it.
He's a man who was once great, but is now rambling and only semi-coherent. Trump would absolutely hammer him.
Which leads to one of two conclusions: if Biden fades before Iowa, then whichever moderate is ahead of him there is going to be going toe-to-tow with Warren. If Biden manages to hang on to second in Iowa, then I think Warren is going to wipe the floor with Biden over the course of the Primaries.
My view is that Biden is losing ground in Iowa, has the least committed support, and doesn't have the ground organisation. I think that points to someone else winning there. And right now, Buttigieg is the guy making waves in Iowa.0 -
If we hold all of those from the past by those of todays ultra woke individuals standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html3 -
Boris voted for MV3. So yes, if it was No Brexit or This Deal, he would vote for This Deal. Even if Dominic Grieve was happy with it. (Although Grieve would of course never be happy with any Brexit, such is his bodily fusion to the EU and All Its Works......)Cyclefree said:
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.noneoftheabove said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.0 -
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.Cyclefree said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.
The right wing press will give him a free pass . They have to have their poster boy shown as a winner who defied the evil EU and won .
A deal at least gives me a bit more time to sort out my dual nationality and get my EU passport . Thank heavens I have an escape route .0 -
Thats true but is irrelevant to whether it would be acceptable on it's own terms or not.kle4 said:
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.Cyclefree said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.
Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
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It would be far more interesting to think ahead and try to imagine how todays heroes and leaders will be viewed in 50-100 years time. What are the issues they will be picked up on? I guess environment is most likely to be an issue.FrancisUrquhart said:
If we hold all of those from the past by todays ultra woke standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html0 -
Despite our image of Iowa as being mostly excessively religious farmers, it's actually a lot more mixed with over 60% of its population in the urban areas such as Des Moines and Iowa City. I was in the latter a few weeks back, and by American standards it's a fairly cosmopolitan place. It is however a mostly white state.rcs1000 said:
The problem the Dems have is that their leading moderate is not as mentally sharp as he once was.rottenborough said:NYT: Charles Blow on Biden at debate - "Bless his heart. It feels like he’s just hanging on for dear life. At moments, it felt like he vanished, not just because it wasn’t his time to speak but because his aura of invincibility is flickering like a candle in a hurricane. But he yelled in his closing, so there’s that."
Other columnists also gave him the thumbs down.
Not looking good for the Dems at the moment.
Yes, I know I take the piss out of @HYUFD, but he's absolutely right that the Biden of 2016 was a formidable candidate who would have hammered Trump.
But Biden is four years older, and isn't (frankly) as coherent as he was then. His inability to count to three. His inability to think on his feet. His statements that he's going to abolish capital gains tax... no wait, he's going to increase it.
He's a man who was once great, but is now rambling and only semi-coherent. Trump would absolutely hammer him.
Which leads to one of two conclusions: if Biden fades before Iowa, then whichever moderate is ahead of him there is going to be going toe-to-tow with Warren. If Biden manages to hang on to second in Iowa, then I think Warren is going to wipe the floor with Biden over the course of the Primaries.
My view is that Biden is losing ground in Iowa, has the least committed support, and doesn't have the ground organisation. I think that points to someone else winning there. And right now, Buttigieg is the guy making waves in Iowa.0 -
Meat eater...that will exclude you for starters....ever drove a diesel....send them to hell....regular user of private jets...well thats as bad as being a slave owner back in the day.noneoftheabove said:
It would be far more interesting to think ahead and try to imagine how todays heroes and leaders will be viewed in 50-100 years time. What are the issues they will be picked up on? I guess environment is most likely to be an issue.FrancisUrquhart said:
If we hold all of those from the past by todays ultra woke standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html
If one as a 16 year old sent a tweet saying there were only two genders...i think that will be a akin to the worst forms of racism from 100 years ago.0 -
It is indeed. So long as we aren't tied down by future commitments like the backstop then if we get it wrong now we are able to fix it in the future via tweaking it. Iterations I think it is @rcs1000 keeps referring to. I refer it as democracy - if the government screws up we can eject them and get a new one with a new plan.Cyclefree said:Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
Don't let some idealised perfection be the enemy of what is good enough for now.0 -
Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.Cyclefree said:
Thats true but is irrelevant to whether it would be acceptable on it's own terms or not.kle4 said:
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.Cyclefree said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
However, we do know one thing very clearly now: a bad deal is better than no deal. We all have to get used to this! Coming next: being rolled-over by the US!
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I see nothing turning that around either. Such action is what we the public want.Cyclefree said:
Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.kle4 said:
We know the answer to that. When someone else was proposing it he opposed it.Cyclefree said:
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
The point of Brexit for Boris was to make him PM. Everyone else is being played.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
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Disagree. I think Warren hammers Biden.rpjs said:
Only Biden can beat Warren. Buttigieg will be toast if he ends up against herrcs1000 said:
The problem the Dems have is that their leading moderate is not as mentally sharp as he once was.rottenborough said:NYT: Charles Blow on Biden at debate - "Bless his heart. It feels like he’s just hanging on for dear life. At moments, it felt like he vanished, not just because it wasn’t his time to speak but because his aura of invincibility is flickering like a candle in a hurricane. But he yelled in his closing, so there’s that."
Other columnists also gave him the thumbs down.
Not looking good for the Dems at the moment.
Yes, I know I take the piss out of @HYUFD, but he's absolutely right that the Biden of 2016 was a formidable candidate who would have hammered Trump.
But Biden is four years older, and isn't (frankly) as coherent as he was then. His inability to count to three. His inability to think on his feet. His statements that he's going to abolish capital gains tax... no wait, he's going to increase it.
He's a man who was once great, but is now rambling and only semi-coherent. Trump would absolutely hammer him.
Which leads to one of two conclusions: if Biden fades before Iowa, then whichever moderate is ahead of him there is going to be going toe-to-tow with Warren. If Biden manages to hang on to second in Iowa, then I think Warren is going to wipe the floor with Biden over the course of the Primaries.
My view is that Biden is losing ground in Iowa, has the least committed support, and doesn't have the ground organisation. I think that points to someone else winning there. And right now, Buttigieg is the guy making waves in Iowa.
In fact, I think everyone hammers Biden.
Incoherence is not an attractive quality in a candidate.0 -
In the future it will require a video of the request and a video of the other giving consent before anyone can have sex without prosecution.noneoftheabove said:
It would be far more interesting to think ahead and try to imagine how todays heroes and leaders will be viewed in 50-100 years time. What are the issues they will be picked up on? I guess environment is most likely to be an issue.FrancisUrquhart said:
If we hold all of those from the past by todays ultra woke standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html
We will be seen as a nation of rapists by those future standards.
Plus we ate meat. Vile, vile people in the past.0 -
Has his attachement to the union weakened since then?Alanbrooke said:
errr thats from last Marchwilliamglenn said:
Bad luck for Brexiteers.Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47747945
Brexit: Nigel Dodds 'would rather stay in the EU than risk union'0 -
Good news that we have a more libertarian PM than authoritarian May. The idea of a porn user database was utterrly horrific and would have never been secure indefinitely.rpjs said:Porn blocker plan "dropped" https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50073102
I think that was nailed on once shagger got the keys to No. 10.1 -
His understanding of what that commitment means might have, but I doubt it.williamglenn said:
Has his attachement to the union weakened since then?Alanbrooke said:
errr thats from last Marchwilliamglenn said:
Bad luck for Brexiteers.Alanbrooke said:
they understand negotiationnico67 said:OMG apparently the DUP are going back to no 10 tonight for more talks .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47747945
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This thread has been cancelled like a gandhi statue at manchester uni...0
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Democratic control is an error correcting mechanism; that is the point.Philip_Thompson said:
It is indeed. So long as we aren't tied down by future commitments like the backstop then if we get it wrong now we are able to fix it in the future via tweaking it. Iterations I think it is @rcs1000 keeps referring to. I refer it as democracy - if the government screws up we can eject them and get a new one with a new plan.Cyclefree said:Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
Don't let some idealised perfection be the enemy of what is good enough for now.
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Come to that, the original Martin Luther might have problems.FrancisUrquhart said:
If we hold all of those from the past by those of todays ultra woke individuals standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html0 -
Asterix more likegeoffw said:
Is the Gaul Dogmatix?malcolmg said:
Pedant alert: gaul should be GallStocky said:Re Dan Hodges: Yes, Lab/SNP/LD MPs will do all they can to stop government securing a deal. Can`t let Tories get credit.
They are against a deal and against no deal yet have the gaul to say that they are respecting the ref result.0 -
Really. Your think the EU is going to allow iteration of this WA. Blimey!Philip_Thompson said:
It is indeed. So long as we aren't tied down by future commitments like the backstop then if we get it wrong now we are able to fix it in the future via tweaking it. Iterations I think it is @rcs1000 keeps referring to. I refer it as democracy - if the government screws up we can eject them and get a new one with a new plan.Cyclefree said:Stephen Barclay said yesterday or today that this proposed deal was better than May's deal because people would vote for it. So its terms seem utterly irrelevant to him.
Which is a very peculiar - indeed utterly negligent - way to approach such an important decision.
But as Mr Meeks said the other day, we no longer value good administration in this country. It is, apparently, more important to get any old rubbish over the line to meet an arbitrary date than it is to get it right.
Don't let some idealised perfection be the enemy of what is good enough for now.
I take the opposite view. How we leave the EU is so important that we should take the effort to do it right. If that means we need an extra week, month, 3 months or whatever, take it. Saving Boris's face is of no importance whatever to the country. Leaving the EU well is.0 -
Do any of the Boris cheerleaders believe he would back this plan if anyone else was delivering it?noneoftheabove said:Cyclefree said:Is it time to replay this one?
"Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union" - Boris Johnson, Belfast, 2 July 2019 pic.twitter.com/yTWhT5ZYBw
— The Daily Politik (@DailyPolitik) October 16, 2019
Few Remainers or Lib Dems seem to care about what Chuka, Soubry or Heidi Allen said you get elected before voting down the deal 3 times and joining a party committed to revoke.
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Top comics.malcolmg said:
Asterix more likegeoffw said:
Is the Gaul Dogmatix?malcolmg said:
Pedant alert: gaul should be GallStocky said:Re Dan Hodges: Yes, Lab/SNP/LD MPs will do all they can to stop government securing a deal. Can`t let Tories get credit.
They are against a deal and against no deal yet have the gaul to say that they are respecting the ref result.0 -
Any attempt to condemn those in the past by your standards today is, I think, daft. It is of course completely fair to say that 'Attilla the Hun' was a violent thug who killed thousands (no idea of the facts here, so just as an illustration), but I'm not sure its fair to say that he was a bad man. The facts are one thing, but the judgement is another.OldKingCole said:
Come to that, the original Martin Luther might have problems.FrancisUrquhart said:
If we hold all of those from the past by those of todays ultra woke individuals standards literally nobody is going to pass their morality test. The likes of Martin Luther king certainly ain't going to.Anorak said:Gandhi was a racist asshole who needs to be shunned, and his statues destroyed.
Apparently.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/students-call-to-block-manchester-gandhi-statue-because-hes-racist-a4262711.html
My judgement of Gandhi is that he was rather a good man. You can immediately throw that judgement in to the dustbin of history. What he did though is there to be judged anew by anyone that cares to look.0 -
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Then it won't happen at all. I've been involved in contentious negotiations in the EU professionally, and nobody does deals until just after the final final final final deadline, just because everybody expects the other side to concede first. You need to set a firm deadline and stick to it to get anything done at all.Cyclefree said:
I take the opposite view. How we leave the EU is so important that we should take the effort to do it right. If that means we need an extra week, month, 3 months or whatever, take it. Saving Boris's face is of no importance whatever to the country. Leaving the EU well is.0
