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  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    TGOHF said:

    Filled up on NL - now just 2.5 !

    8/11 now wowzers!
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    JackW said:

    SimonStClare said:

    antifrank said:

    John Rentoul takes a perspective on the debate last night that I disagree with more or less from beginning to end:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/clegg-vs-farage-both-leaders-achieved-what-they-set-out-to-do-9218482.html

    JR: - "But the other consequence is more important. Last night’s debate was between two clear poles of an argument. In unconditionally versus out unconditionally. And we know where the British voter prefers to be when presented with a choice like that.

    David Cameron’s policy will be easily most popular position when it comes to the general election next year. “Renegotiate and decide” is the third-way winner."

    Not sure if Rentoul is correct in his assessment, but it certainly doesn't chime with the PB doctrine that Cameron and Miliband are the losers in the Clegg/Farage face off.
    Rentoul also opines that the prospect of a repeat of the leaders debate in the coming election is over.

    However what the LBC debate has shown is that the broadcasters are prepared to empty chair leaders. Will Cameron and Miliband really opt out during a general election campaign. I think not.

    Depends. If both Cameron and Miliband opt out, then they'll get away with it. If only one want to avoid it, then they won't.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    NL 36:0 after 4 overs against SA

    Did you have a flutter ? Now almost an even chance on betfair (£101 matched on Saffers at 1.01 :D)

    Nice pos.. but value don't put food on table

    Netherlands v South Africa

    Matched: GBP 17,861,088
    In-play
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    Selections: (2)

    Netherlands
    £890.34

    South Africa
    £1.71

  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2014
    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    NL 36:0 after 4 overs against SA

    Did you have a flutter ? Now almost an even chance on betfair (£101 matched on Saffers at 1.01 :D)

    Flutter ?!? .... Oh dear yes. Too tempting and NL far too long

    I took the position of wagering only if NL bowled first. Big profit taken ....

    Ssshhh .... Don't tell Mrs JackW !!

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    NL 36:0 after 4 overs against SA

    Did you have a flutter ? Now almost an even chance on betfair (£101 matched on Saffers at 1.01 :D)

    Nice pos.. but value don't put food on table

    Netherlands v South Africa

    Matched: GBP 17,861,088
    In-play
    Back & Lay Market Depth
    More options
    Selections: (2)

    Netherlands
    £890.34

    South Africa
    £1.71

    Lol + 20 NL , + 36 SA for me - beer money.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Verulamius said:

    Looks long for Lab given that they held the seat between 1997 and 2005, and that the ex mp, Kerry Pollard is restanding.

    Excellent spot. A Labour victory is unlikely, but not unlikely to the tune of 66/1.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 63:1 after 6 overs against SA
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    anotherDave said:

    "...his comment on Ukraine and the EU suggesting that he prefers Mr. Putin to Brussels"

    I don't recall Mr Farage suggesting that.

    Well, Russia and UKIP have a common foe - the EU!

    :)
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    JackW said:

    SimonStClare said:

    antifrank said:

    John Rentoul takes a perspective on the debate last night that I disagree with more or less from beginning to end:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/clegg-vs-farage-both-leaders-achieved-what-they-set-out-to-do-9218482.html

    JR: - "But the other consequence is more important. Last night’s debate was between two clear poles of an argument. In unconditionally versus out unconditionally. And we know where the British voter prefers to be when presented with a choice like that.

    David Cameron’s policy will be easily most popular position when it comes to the general election next year. “Renegotiate and decide” is the third-way winner."

    Not sure if Rentoul is correct in his assessment, but it certainly doesn't chime with the PB doctrine that Cameron and Miliband are the losers in the Clegg/Farage face off.
    Rentoul also opines that the prospect of a repeat of the leaders debate in the coming election is over.

    However what the LBC debate has shown is that the broadcasters are prepared to empty chair leaders. Will Cameron and Miliband really opt out during a general election campaign. I think not.

    Fascinating! - and your point ?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Bloody Hell that 1.05 I took on th Saffers won't go down in history as my best betting decision ever.

    Redded out for -£20 now. Live and learn !
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    woody662 said:

    Dan Byles is a very good hardworking MP who has balanced loyalty and outspokenness on issues like HS2 well. Odds are a bit tight but I would not be wanting to bet Labour at 1-7 in this seat

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    Ladbrokes have now priced up North Warwickshire (Con Maj = 54), adding to the Paddy Power pricing we have had for ages.

    New best prices - North Warwickshire

    Lab 1/3 (Lad)
    Con 7/2 (PP)
    UKIP 50/1 (Lad)
    LD 100/1 (both)
    BNP 200/1 (PP)

    Lab are 1/3 not 1/7.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Here's the Indy report on the debate.. they seem to think Putin was watching, how ridiculous!

    Everyone knows Vladimir watches Masterchef on Wednesday evenings

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-vs-nick-clegg--was-the-real-winner-putin-9218302.html

    Thankfully there's no chance Farage's foolish comments on Ukraine will affect things. That does not make those comments any less stupid however. I strongly believe we should leave the EU, but that does not mean we should stop being close allies with them, particularly if that means blaming people who have done nothing wrong for Russia's land grab from a neighbour.
    Turnout in the Crimea referendum was 84%, including Sevastopol.
    Contrast with t/o in UK elections or even US elections.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 80:2 after 8 overs against SA.
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Verulamius said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    New Ladbrokes market: St Albans (Con maj = 2,305)

    Con 1/8
    LD 4/1
    UKIP 50/1
    Lab 66/1

    Looks long for Lab given that they held the seat between 1997 and 2005, and that the ex mp, Kerry Pollard is restanding.

    In contrast UKIP is too short, St Albans is not the right demographics for them.

    I suspect that Shadsy has not looked too deeply at some seats. His 16/1 CON price in NE Fife looks odd, and some of his long SNP prices look even odder.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    SimonStClare said:

    JackW said:

    SimonStClare said:

    antifrank said:

    John Rentoul takes a perspective on the debate last night that I disagree with more or less from beginning to end:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/clegg-vs-farage-both-leaders-achieved-what-they-set-out-to-do-9218482.html

    JR: - "But the other consequence is more important. Last night’s debate was between two clear poles of an argument. In unconditionally versus out unconditionally. And we know where the British voter prefers to be when presented with a choice like that.

    David Cameron’s policy will be easily most popular position when it comes to the general election next year. “Renegotiate and decide” is the third-way winner."

    Not sure if Rentoul is correct in his assessment, but it certainly doesn't chime with the PB doctrine that Cameron and Miliband are the losers in the Clegg/Farage face off.
    Rentoul also opines that the prospect of a repeat of the leaders debate in the coming election is over.

    However what the LBC debate has shown is that the broadcasters are prepared to empty chair leaders. Will Cameron and Miliband really opt out during a general election campaign. I think not.

    Fascinating! - and your point ?
    The genie is out of the bottle.

  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2014
    Cricket: Uh-oh.

    A reasonable chance it could all go spectacularly wrong for the cloggies from here.
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    MarkSenior said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    New Ladbrokes market: Montgomeryshire (Con maj = 1,184)

    Con 1/3
    LD 2/1
    UKIP 50/1
    Lab 100/1
    PC 100/1

    Is Lembit Öpik going to be the Lib Dem candidate again? ;)

    Nope , Lib Dem prospective candidate is Jane Dodds
    Thanks. Wise move. Is Lembit history as far as the WLDs are concerned?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Stuart_Dickson said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    New Ladbrokes market: Montgomeryshire (Con maj = 1,184)

    Con 1/3
    LD 2/1
    UKIP 50/1
    Lab 100/1
    PC 100/1

    Is Lembit Öpik going to be the Lib Dem candidate again? ;)

    Nope , Lib Dem prospective candidate is Jane Dodds
    Thanks. Wise move. Is Lembit history as far as the WLDs are concerned?
    Discrimination against Old Estonians!
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    TGOHF said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    Ladbrokes have now priced up North Warwickshire (Con Maj = 54), adding to the Paddy Power pricing we have had for ages.

    New best prices - North Warwickshire

    Lab 1/3 (Lad)
    Con 7/2 (PP)
    UKIP 50/1 (Lad)
    LD 100/1 (both)
    BNP 200/1 (PP)

    Looks like a Bismark - 1/3 ?
    That 7/2 must look v tempting for CON Most Seats backers.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Here's the Indy report on the debate.. they seem to think Putin was watching, how ridiculous!

    Everyone knows Vladimir watches Masterchef on Wednesday evenings

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-vs-nick-clegg--was-the-real-winner-putin-9218302.html

    Thankfully there's no chance Farage's foolish comments on Ukraine will affect things. That does not make those comments any less stupid however. I strongly believe we should leave the EU, but that does not mean we should stop being close allies with them, particularly if that means blaming people who have done nothing wrong for Russia's land grab from a neighbour.
    Turnout in the Crimea referendum was 84%, including Sevastopol.
    Contrast with t/o in UK elections or even US elections.
    The 84% was clearly false.

    It would have to have seen almost total ethnic Russian participation and very considerable Ukrainian and Tartar turnout.

    At least in the old Soviet days they knew how to rig a result.

  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    New Ladbrokes market: Montgomeryshire (Con maj = 1,184)

    Con 1/3
    LD 2/1
    UKIP 50/1
    Lab 100/1
    PC 100/1

    Is Lembit Öpik going to be the Lib Dem candidate again? ;)

    Nope , Lib Dem prospective candidate is Jane Dodds
    Thanks. Wise move. Is Lembit history as far as the WLDs are concerned?
    Discrimination against Old Estonians!
    :)
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 90:3 after 10 overs against SA
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    I'm looking to initially opt out of the SL and ENG match.

    Any other PBer see any value ?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    JackW said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Here's the Indy report on the debate.. they seem to think Putin was watching, how ridiculous!

    Everyone knows Vladimir watches Masterchef on Wednesday evenings

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-vs-nick-clegg--was-the-real-winner-putin-9218302.html

    Thankfully there's no chance Farage's foolish comments on Ukraine will affect things. That does not make those comments any less stupid however. I strongly believe we should leave the EU, but that does not mean we should stop being close allies with them, particularly if that means blaming people who have done nothing wrong for Russia's land grab from a neighbour.
    Turnout in the Crimea referendum was 84%, including Sevastopol.
    Contrast with t/o in UK elections or even US elections.
    The 84% was clearly false.

    It would have to have seen almost total ethnic Russian participation and very considerable Ukrainian and Tartar turnout.

    At least in the old Soviet days they knew how to rig a result.

    Turnout was definitely higher than at the NI referendum of 1973 (59% due to a Catholic boycott)!

    Anyway:
    None of the 135 international observers registered any violations.[14] The EODE observer mission concluded that the referendum was conducted freely and fairly.[16] Mateusz Piskorski reported on a high turnout among Crimean Tatars.[115]
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 114:4 after 12 overs against SA
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    Neth 114/4, require 4/over for 8 overs. Should be fine. Now ahead of the worm.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8937-fairness-in-february

    O/T but for those interested in the Scottish referendum (ignore if not) the latest piece by Professor Robertson on media bias in the BBC in particular. Some particularly striking figures on personalization of the debate and on abusive comment about individuals.

    Carnyx, naive to think that people on here would want to see the truth re the bias in the media on the referendum. Do you not read the bollox written on here about it.
    Weel, they ken noo!

  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Carnyx said:

    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8937-fairness-in-february

    O/T but for those interested in the Scottish referendum (ignore if not) the latest piece by Professor Robertson on media bias in the BBC in particular. Some particularly striking figures on personalization of the debate and on abusive comment about individuals.

    Professor Robertson of Pseudoscience is clearly undecided on the great question.

    That is because he is talking, so to speak, in work time.
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    A friend of mine spoke very highly of the exhibition.
    JosiasJessop said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    There was a debate last night?

    I look forward to Populus's polling later to see how many other people noticed.

    I only realised because there's this website I visit occasionly where people were wittering on about it ;-)
    @Charles , just FYI, I'm planning to nip into the Discoveries exhibition later today if my meeting goes well. For everyone else:

    http://www.twotempleplace.org/exhibitions/current-exhibition/
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Socrates said:

    I'm pretty sure not a single couple married 50 years ago has seen their contract changed, unless they themselves got divorced.

    Actually, and as IANAL maybe someone who is can confirm this, marriage is a uniquely dodgy contract to sign, inasmuch at if it goes tits up it is always settled according the terms as they now are, not those you signed up to at the time.

    It's also unique (IIRC) in another way. If a salesman makes claims to you about a product, and the claims induce the contract, they're part of the contract. So if he misreps that the fridge he's selling you also makes the coffee, when you find out that it doesn't, he's got to keep you whole. With marriage, if your spouse has lied and you find out he is a convicted paedophile or criminal or bankrupt, or that she is a former prostitute or drug mule or criminal, it's tough luck and you divorce him / her at your expense and with the usual settlement. So there is no penalty or risk to lying your way into a marriage.

    Those seem to me to be uniquely lousy terms that affect all marriages. They are among the reasons why Mrs. Bond remains legally speaking Ms Draco.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 118:7 after 14 overs against SA
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    Anorak said:

    Cricket: Uh-oh.

    A reasonable chance it could all go spectacularly wrong for the cloggies from here.

    I also do horoscopes. 118/7
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2014
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Socrates said:

    I'm pretty sure not a single couple married 50 years ago has seen their contract changed, unless they themselves got divorced.

    Those seem to me to be uniquely lousy terms that affect all marriages. They are among the reasons why Mrs. Bond remains legally speaking Ms Draco.
    Ms Moneypenny, surely.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 120:7 after 15 overs against SA
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    F1: Driver who won the last race by miles approves of new engines. Driver who had his worst qualifying and race for about 2 years disapproves of the new engines:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26768206
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Socrates said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    isam said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    JackW said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Since this seems to be predictably breaking down along party lines, it might be worth asking the following questions:

    To Lib Dem / Clegg supporters: how did Clegg perform poorly last night? How would you improve or change his message for next week's debate?

    To UKIP / Farage supporters: how did Farage perform poorly last night? How would you improve or change his message for next week's debate?

    For Farage, his comments on SSM. Even without the Easteross's lies and misrepresentations, Farage's basic position on SSM this is unsupportable.

    He also really really needs to learn to stop shouting.
    There has been confusion on Ukip's position on SSM but unless I misheard last night Farage stated unequivocally that he opposed SSM whilst the ECHR had a potential say over whether or not some churches should be able to reject SSM.

    So effectively unless the UK withdraws from ECHR this would bar SSM completely.

    But since Farage has always made clear his opposition to the ECHR this would seem to be far more about that organisation and its ability to over-rule current SSM legislation than about SSM per se which I get the impression he doesn't have any hugely strong feelings about.

    That said I still disagree with the basic UKIP position on SSM.

    Didn't Farage articulate UKIPs view on SSM last week as taking the legal version of marriage away from churches, so everyone had equal rights to marriage under the law of the land, and allowing churches to conduct ceremonies for people who wanted a religiously blessed marriage?

    Then churches could choose (or discriminate against) who they were prepared to marry, without states sanctions, and it wouldn't matter which sex was marrying which under the law.
    If that does now become UKIP's official position then as an atheist it is one I would be able to support. However my perception is that there is a strong Christian element to UKIP support and the suggestion of separation of church and marriage is not one that would necessarily go down well so I would be surprised if that plan became the mainstream official position of UKIP.
    Anglicans that believe such a thing are foolish. Their church would be far more successful if it was free from interference from the state.
    I think any religion is stronger if it's not tied up with the State.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    The worst part of the new energy investigation is that it could have been preempted by the government two years ago by forcing such an inquiry when the first round of semi coordinated 20% price rises came along.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JackW said:

    I'm looking to initially opt out of the SL and ENG match.

    Any other PBer see any value ?

    Back SL at any price ?
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 128:8 after 16 overs against SA
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    I'm looking to initially opt out of the SL and ENG match.

    Any other PBer see any value ?

    Back SL at any price ?
    LOL.

  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    MikeK said:


    The supreme fact, Richard, is that you do not want a UKIP governed Britain. You are satisfied to be ruled by the Lab/Lib/Con establishment, as long as a few of your wants are granted.

    Only a UKIP controlled government will give some hope for a revival of the British nation. But perhaps the rot has spread so much that even lukewarm supporters like you are not ready for a real revolution to happen.

    Be aware that I do not blindly support all that the UKIP executive say, or come up with, and I argue my points of difference at branch level or e-mail to the relevant persons. There is still a massive amount of work to do before UKIP becomes a real political fighting machine, but it is on it's way and the past year has seen enormous growth, not only in members, but also in attitude.

    All that being said, the main point of any political party is to reap enough votes to gain power. If you cannot see that in UKIPs case, then you are surely a bewildered man, to say the least.

    I am certainly not satisfied being ruled by a Lib/Lab/Con establishment but what I want is far more radical than UKIP are offering. Simply put UKIP are not the alternative I could support for government. To try and claim that because I oppose the current 3 parties I should therefore support UKIP is clearly illogical.

    And I certainly cannot support the formation of a government that has the reactionary attitudes UKIP has to social issues.

    If UKIP were to become a true small state libertarian party then I would be a far more enthusiastic supporter.
    My view is, let's break up the current (dysfunctional) political system, and see what emerges?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Anorak said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Socrates said:

    I'm pretty sure not a single couple married 50 years ago has seen their contract changed, unless they themselves got divorced.

    Those seem to me to be uniquely lousy terms that affect all marriages. They are among the reasons why Mrs. Bond remains legally speaking Ms Draco.
    Ms Moneypenny, surely.
    Ms. Romanova, surely :)
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2014
    JackW said:

    NL 128:8 after 16 overs against SA

    It's all jolly exciting, isn't it. And that's with no skin in the game, so to speak. I'm sure they're very happy with 4/0 from Steyn's last over.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 132:8 after 17 overs against SA
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    NL 134:9 after 17.4 overs against SA

    NL 12 runs to win
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Great match for punters either way.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Socrates said:

    I'm pretty sure not a single couple married 50 years ago has seen their contract changed, unless they themselves got divorced.

    Actually, and as IANAL maybe someone who is can confirm this, marriage is a uniquely dodgy contract to sign, inasmuch at if it goes tits up it is always settled according the terms as they now are, not those you signed up to at the time.

    It's also unique (IIRC) in another way. If a salesman makes claims to you about a product, and the claims induce the contract, they're part of the contract. So if he misreps that the fridge he's selling you also makes the coffee, when you find out that it doesn't, he's got to keep you whole. With marriage, if your spouse has lied and you find out he is a convicted paedophile or criminal or bankrupt, or that she is a former prostitute or drug mule or criminal, it's tough luck and you divorce him / her at your expense and with the usual settlement. So there is no penalty or risk to lying your way into a marriage.

    Those seem to me to be uniquely lousy terms that affect all marriages. They are among the reasons why Mrs. Bond remains legally speaking Ms Draco.
    I would not quibble at your analysis of marriage, which was certainly pretty much the case in England in the 1840s as I was recently reading for a research project. (Though lying about your name/identity, a prior marriage, or mental incapacity etc. would invalidate the marriage as the contract could not be legally made, of course). But are not politicians out for election the other example? Did Labour not go to court to prove it did not have to tell the truth?
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    SA Win by 6 runs
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Anorak said:

    JackW said:

    NL 128:8 after 16 overs against SA

    It's all jolly exciting, isn't it. And that's with no skin in the game, so to speak. I'm sure they're very happy with 4/0 from Steyn's last over.
    Excellent match in many respects.

    England will be pleased if they can beat NL



  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2014
    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    JackW said:

    NL 128:8 after 16 overs against SA

    It's all jolly exciting, isn't it. And that's with no skin in the game, so to speak. I'm sure they're very happy with 4/0 from Steyn's last over.
    Excellent match in many respects.

    England will be pleased if they can beat NL
    Bluntly, they can't afford to lose. I suspect a loss to SL today will render that moot, however.
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    EU Debate, the fact checking begins…

    "Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%."

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/27/cleggs-facts-turn-out-to-be-fiction/
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
  • slade
    slade Posts: 2,200
    MarkSenior said:

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    New Ladbrokes market: Montgomeryshire (Con maj = 1,184)


    Con 1/3
    LD 2/1
    UKIP 50/1
    Lab 100/1
    PC 100/1

    Is Lembit Öpik going to be the Lib Dem candidate again? ;)

    Nope , Lib Dem prospective candidate is Jane Dodds
    And she speaks Welsh rather than Estonian.

  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    TGOHF said:

    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...

    What's he done?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

    As I said, a shocker !
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheWatcher said:

    TGOHF said:

    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...

    What's he done?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590669/Row-nasty-letter-ex-Labour-leader-Neil-Kinnock-joking-Eric-Pickles-ran-marathon-DIE.html

    "A senior Labour frontbencher is under fire for tweeting a letter which jokes about Tory minister Eric Pickles dropping dead if he took part in the London Marathon.
    Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice minister who could run for London mayor, posted the letter from ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock who offered to sponsor his run.

    But in a comment condemned by the Tories as 'nasty', Lord Kinnock also suggested getting Mr Pickles to also take part 'so we have a helpful by-election', apparently caused by the large-than-life Conservative's death."
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    ENG win the toss and elect to bowl against SL
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TGOHF said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TGOHF said:

    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...

    What's he done?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590669/Row-nasty-letter-ex-Labour-leader-Neil-Kinnock-joking-Eric-Pickles-ran-marathon-DIE.html

    "A senior Labour frontbencher is under fire for tweeting a letter which jokes about Tory minister Eric Pickles dropping dead if he took part in the London Marathon.
    Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice minister who could run for London mayor, posted the letter from ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock who offered to sponsor his run.

    But in a comment condemned by the Tories as 'nasty', Lord Kinnock also suggested getting Mr Pickles to also take part 'so we have a helpful by-election', apparently caused by the large-than-life Conservative's death."
    Oh come on, it's a harmless enough joke. You'd have to be pretty thin-skinned to regard that as offensive.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JackW said:

    ENG win the toss and elect to bowl against SL

    All my Saffer winnings gone on Lanka...
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

    As I said, a shocker !
    Well, we've all had them. Better luck next time.

  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    It's lovely to see my fellow PBers getting so excited by an extremely boring and tedious sport like Cricket :)
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Meanwhile, Sunny Hundal puts together a programme of policies for Labour based around decentralisation:

    http://labourlist.org/2014/03/8-big-ideas-for-a-miliband-government/

    Which includes the decentralising measure of renationalising the railways. Figure that one out if you can.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2014
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TGOHF said:

    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...

    What's he done?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590669/Row-nasty-letter-ex-Labour-leader-Neil-Kinnock-joking-Eric-Pickles-ran-marathon-DIE.html

    "A senior Labour frontbencher is under fire for tweeting a letter which jokes about Tory minister Eric Pickles dropping dead if he took part in the London Marathon.
    Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice minister who could run for London mayor, posted the letter from ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock who offered to sponsor his run.

    But in a comment condemned by the Tories as 'nasty', Lord Kinnock also suggested getting Mr Pickles to also take part 'so we have a helpful by-election', apparently caused by the large-than-life Conservative's death."
    Oh come on, it's a harmless enough joke. You'd have to be pretty thin-skinned to regard that as offensive.
    Eric Pickles is not thin-skinned, despite how far it has to stretch.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2014
    TGOHF said:

    TheWatcher said:

    TGOHF said:

    Time to rip up your Khan for Mayor betslips again...

    What's he done?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590669/Row-nasty-letter-ex-Labour-leader-Neil-Kinnock-joking-Eric-Pickles-ran-marathon-DIE.html

    "A senior Labour frontbencher is under fire for tweeting a letter which jokes about Tory minister Eric Pickles dropping dead if he took part in the London Marathon.
    Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice minister who could run for London mayor, posted the letter from ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock who offered to sponsor his run.

    But in a comment condemned by the Tories as 'nasty', Lord Kinnock also suggested getting Mr Pickles to also take part 'so we have a helpful by-election', apparently caused by the large-than-life Conservative's death."
    Why am I not surprised by the behaviour of a pair of loathsome troughers?

    Kinnock should know better than that, after the untimely and unfortunate, early death of John Smith.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Jade playing .... well he's in the eleven !!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    antifrank said:

    Meanwhile, Sunny Hundal puts together a programme of policies for Labour based around decentralisation:

    http://labourlist.org/2014/03/8-big-ideas-for-a-miliband-government/

    Which includes the decentralising measure of renationalising the railways. Figure that one out if you can.

    Track and infrastructure has essentially already been renationalised!
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,274
    JackW said:

    Jade playing .... well he's in the eleven !!

    He MUST have some sort of hold over the selectors, surely! Alough he was bit better…. less bad…. last time. IIRC
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    antifrank said:

    Meanwhile, Sunny Hundal puts together a programme of policies for Labour based around decentralisation:

    http://labourlist.org/2014/03/8-big-ideas-for-a-miliband-government/

    Which includes the decentralising measure of renationalising the railways. Figure that one out if you can.

    Also I like the idea of decentralising by setting up a new Department for Cities in central government.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    Jade playing .... well he's in the eleven !!

    He MUST have some sort of hold over the selectors, surely! Alough he was bit better…. less bad…. last time. IIRC
    Jade has been far better than Bresnan recently.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    ENG win the toss and elect to bowl against SL

    All my Saffer winnings gone on Lanka...
    I'm sitting this one out at the start.

  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

    I lost 19.77! The upside was £963 though...
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,274
    TGOHF said:

    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    Jade playing .... well he's in the eleven !!

    He MUST have some sort of hold over the selectors, surely! Alough he was bit better…. less bad…. last time. IIRC
    Jade has been far better than Bresnan recently.
    And your point is……..?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    isam said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

    I lost 19.77! The upside was £963 though...
    If only we'd both laid off before the last wicket :D
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Just laid Rosberg a smidgen more at 3.75 on Betfair. Of course, if you backed him at 24 and waited until now then you'll be very green indeed.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JackW said:

    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    ENG win the toss and elect to bowl against SL

    All my Saffer winnings gone on Lanka...
    I'm sitting this one out at the start.

    Probably a good move - back SL if an early wicket goes down.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    antifrank said:

    Meanwhile, Sunny Hundal puts together a programme of policies for Labour based around decentralisation:

    http://labourlist.org/2014/03/8-big-ideas-for-a-miliband-government/

    Which includes the decentralising measure of renationalising the railways. Figure that one out if you can.

    Also I like the idea of decentralising by setting up a new Department for Cities in central government.
    That's splendidly loopy too. Though I admire Sunny Hundal's honesty in more or less admitting that it's a policy for pork barrel for Labour areas.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    TheWatcher said:

    Kinnock should know better than that, after the untimely and unfortunate, early death of John Smith.

    The arrival of the Kinnock dynasty on the political scene is one of the more unpleasant aspects of modern politics.

  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    @MarqueeMark

    'The arrival of the Kinnock dynasty on the political scene is one of the more unpleasant aspects of modern politics.'

    The Labour aristocracy has moved on from jobs for the boys to jobs for the family.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    TGOHF said:

    JackW said:

    ENG win the toss and elect to bowl against SL

    All my Saffer winnings gone on Lanka...
    I'm sitting this one out at the start.

    Probably a good move - back SL if an early wicket goes down.
    To rub salt in the NL wounds their bowler Malik had figures of 5:19, third best ever world 20/20 and eighth best 20/20 international numbers and lost out as "Man of the Match" to South Africa's birthday boy Imran Tahir, who turns 35 today, for his worse figures of 4-21.

    Very shabby.
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited March 2014
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    It's lovely to see my fellow PBers getting so excited by an extremely boring and tedious sport like Cricket :)

    It eases their pain over Farage's evident victory in the debate last night.
    Ooop's, there go's another L/dem wicket. LOL
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    isam said:

    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Great match for punters either way.

    Traded it dreadfully, loss of 36 quid in the end :/
    Bloody hell. That took some doing !!

    I lost 19.77! The upside was £963 though...
    Ok chaps .... back to remedial school for you and @Pulpstar !!

    ..........................................................

    Nice to hear SL's jolly anthem again, although it is longer than Ed Ball's nose when he talks about Labour economic policy over the past ten years.

  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    anotherDave said:

    EU Debate, the fact checking begins…

    "Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%."

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/27/cleggs-facts-turn-out-to-be-fiction/

    On the next debate,when clegg goes on his facts line,farage should hit him with cleggs misleading facts on how many laws were made in Brussels,should put a end to cleggs look at the facts cr@p.

  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    anotherDave said:

    EU Debate, the fact checking begins…

    "Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%."

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/27/cleggs-facts-turn-out-to-be-fiction/

    Clegg was clearly being misleading. For a good summary of the issue of EU/UK law this is probably the best summary today.

    http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84820
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Jade plays a blinder there .... for SL !!
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JackW said:

    Jade plays a blinder there .... for SL !!

    Time to pile on SL - 2 down ?
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    antifrank said:

    Meanwhile, Sunny Hundal puts together a programme of policies for Labour based around decentralisation:

    http://labourlist.org/2014/03/8-big-ideas-for-a-miliband-government/

    Which includes the decentralising measure of renationalising the railways. Figure that one out if you can.

    Also I like the idea of decentralising by setting up a new Department for Cities in central government.

    'Major metropolitan areas are now the Labour party’s voting base: the party must actively think about how to expand them and give them the power to innovate and expand. '

    Party before Country. Delightful.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    TOPPING said:

    oh and as I find myself repeating ad nauseam on here, which is surprising given the clientele, the ECHR issue is often (wilfully?) misunderstood and is a red herring.

    Under the Margin of Appreciation doctrine the ECHR prefers to allow individual member states to rule on religious issues such as this.

    In short there is no way in the world that the ECHR, or the High Court for that matter, would even contemplate forcing religious organisations to carry out SSM against their will.

    I don't think you really understand how the "margin of appreciation" doctrine works in practice. I would direct you to Lord Hoffmann's excellent 2009 lecture on the 'The Universality of Human Rights' at [27] and [43] (pp. 14 & 25-26). The English courts take a different approach.
    Interesting lecture. I understand the principle of the margin of appreciation as does Lord Hoffmann.

    But as I (skim-)read what he is also saying, which I don't disagree with, is that just the principle of having it, ipso facto, throws up issues of competence and sovereignty and that seems to be what he disagrees with.

    The fact remains that it is highly unlikely that the ECHR would decide to opine on SSM especially as the popular perception of what it might be asked to do differs from where there might have been an issue, namely religious institutions that might have appealed to it to ensure they *could* hold SSMs under Article 9 had the govt not included religious same sex marriages in the Act as well as civil ones.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Dernbach drop!!!!!!!!!
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Dernbach drop!!!!!!!!!

    Drop Dernbach!!!!!!!!!
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    BBC report huge Swedish rat killed in home of Cornish Rex cat.

    This story is completely, totally and utterly unrelated to two prominent PB posters .... titters .... probably :

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26764929
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    It's lovely to see my fellow PBers getting so excited by an extremely boring and tedious sport like Cricket :)

    Cricket, boring? How dare you!
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    SL 42:1 after 6 overs against ENG
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited March 2014
    Jade Dernbach a man so rubbish, if you dropped him in a barrel full of boobs, he come up sucking his own thumb.

    Bloody Cloggies.

    You can tell Nick Clegg is descended from Netherlanders.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Joke decision to give Jayawardene not out
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    The VoteUK Forum has been invaded by a spammer:

    http://www.vote-2012.proboards.com/board/13/general-uk-politics
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Brave to back England now.
  • BobaFett
    BobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Absolute effing fiasco at the cricket with that decision - what's the betting Jaya now goes on to a big total??
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    TGOHF said:

    Brave to back England now.

    Brave to back any England side with Dernbach in it.
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