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After three online pollsters had reported LAB leads down to just one percent there’ll perhaps be some relief at Miliband HQ that tonight’s ComRes phone poll for the Indy has the margin down to 5%
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1 min early!!0
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Interesting.0
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I'm werry werry cwoss.
Show me the cwossover, where is the cwossover?
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Obligatory sleazy broken Labour on the slide.
With YouGov, the Lab lead doubles
YouGov/Sun poll tonight- Labour lead shrinks to just two points: CON 36%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 10%0 -
Labour's YG lead has doubled!0
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Oh dear ! Didn't even last as long as the flounce bounce .
Where is tim when you need him ?0 -
Labour taken a bit of a hit. Needs to come out fighting.0
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To get things in proportion, the same poll two months ago showed Con 32, Lab 33.0
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So it looks very much like the trends identified over the weekend have continued. Has to be a concern for Labour, no? You would expect the only major opposition party at this stage of the electoral cycle to have a substantial lead in the polls (if they have a shot at forming the next government, that is)0
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In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave0 -
The Lib Dems are up to 10% with YouGov. Don't let it be said that the recovery is only benefiting the Tories.0
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FPT
DaemonBarber said:
Regarding the below debate over sharia law versus English law...
Come back FPTP versus AV.
I just don't get religion. Not one bit.
A religion is where a bunch of underachieving neurotic dimwits get together to attack a different bunch of underachieving neurotic dimwits.
If people want to live in a country run by Sharia law there are a lot of basket case countries they can go and live (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia etc) instead of the UK.
But which came first, the basket case country or the basket case religion?0 -
If we were, for example, averaging the last 8 polls, Labour leads of 8 and 4 have been replaced by 5 and 2. Average Labour lead over last 8 polls is now 3%, not so long ago it was over 6%.0
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What are you smoking ?JohnLilburne said:If we were, for example, averaging the last 8 polls, leads of 8 and 4 have been replaced by 5 and 2. Average Tory lead over last 8 polls is now 3%, not so long ago it was over 6%.
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@Antifrank
Yes. Labour will be slightly relieved at first, but shouldn't be. They have shipped a couple of points, only upside is that it isn't going to the Tories in any great numbers.0 -
Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Obligatory sleazy broken Labour on the slide.
With YouGov, the Lab lead doubles
YouGov/Sun poll tonight- Labour lead shrinks to just two points: CON 36%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 10%
In those days lefty LibDems still voted Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave
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Can the Tories better 37% ?BobaFett said:@Antifrank
Yes. Labour will be slightly relieved at first, but shouldn't be. They have shipped a couple of points, only upside is that it isn't going to the Tories in any great numbers.0 -
It's a "Wishful Thinking" flavoured eShisha. Now corrected.surbiton said:
What are you smoking ?JohnLilburne said:If we were, for example, averaging the last 8 polls, leads of 8 and 4 have been replaced by 5 and 2. Average Tory lead over last 8 polls is now 3%, not so long ago it was over 6%.
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You remind me of the infamous "PB Tories" just before the last election proclaiming nailed on majorities in the face of narrowing poll leads and swingback. Started from a higher base too IIRC...surbiton said:
You are right ! 5% lead [ remember, phone polls are better than online poll: PB golden rule ] , majority government. Miliband should be worried.SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
Are you nicking Hodges' line ?0 -
Not that long ago. Before 2012 budget, to be accurate. So, in a word, Yes.surbiton said:
Can the Tories better 37% ?BobaFett said:@Antifrank
Yes. Labour will be slightly relieved at first, but shouldn't be. They have shipped a couple of points, only upside is that it isn't going to the Tories in any great numbers.0 -
Labour have some work to do for sure. But that split of the right wing vote and consolidation of the left wing vote is an absolute killer for the Tories.
Electoral calculus have this as a Labour majority of 60, despite the two main parties not being far off the reverse of the 2010 result.
If I were Dave, I would be praying for a Cable takeover of the LDs.
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It's a painful comparison but ultimately a slightly odd one. To judge Dave's political virility by anything other than his failure to win in 2010 is strange. Bit like a batsman who failed in test matches telling you he was really great at net practice.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
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Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 1m
@Sun_Politics describe tonight's YouGov poll as "Labour lead shrinks"
Eh? It is up from 1 to 2. This is one for you Mr. Gove0 -
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
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I pwefer lining up the cwoss hairs in my telescopic sights on red sqwiwells.surbiton said:
But Avery, as a Towy, you should be pleased ! You do like watching other people work, don't you ?AveryLP said:I'm werry werry cwoss.
Show me the cwossover, where is the cwossover?
[Dwops nut and stamps little paws.]
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Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
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Look at this graph to see this why that comparison is interestingFrankBooth said:
It's a painful comparison but ultimately a slightly odd one. To judge Dave's political virility by anything other than his failure to win in 2010 is strange. Bit like a batsman who failed in test matches telling you he was really great at net practice.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Graph-pic.jpg
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Obligatory sleazy broken Labour on the slide.
With YouGov, the Lab lead doubles
YouGov/Sun poll tonight- Labour lead shrinks to just two points: CON 36%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 10%
I do wish we could get a level outlier !0 -
Nigel Farage = Ralph Nader = Alliance'83Jonathan said:Labour have some work to do for sure. But that split of the right wing vote and consolidation of the left wing vote is an absolute killer for the Tories.
Electoral calculus have this as a Labour majority of 60, despite the two main parties not being far off the reverse of the 2010 result.
If I were Dave, I would be praying for a Cable takeover of the LDs.0 -
They are self destructing in Scotland, conference last week was a nightmare and the leaders interviews on TV were just bizarre, incoherent rubbish about 2016 manifesto. Hard to see how they can recover. No talent , no organisation on the ground and no policies. Their red paper mentions SNP 117 times , unbelievable. Everything in their conference was just SNP , Salmond , consumed totally with hatred.SeanT said:
I've been saying for a year that I think Labour are going to win the next GE, probably with a small overall majority.surbiton said:
You are right ! 5% lead [ remember, phone polls are better than online poll: PB golden rule ] , majority government. Miliband should be worried.SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
Are you nicking Hodges' line ?
I still believe that. But I am much less convinced than I was. Ed is having a bad 2014, no doubt about it.
And Scotland is a huge problem, which Miliband seems unable or unwilling to address. If Labour loses Scotland you are fecked for 20 years.0 -
Actually I think the only way the Lib Dems can get those voters back is a cast iron guarantee of no deal with the Tories after 2015. Even if they start pedaling back towards a soft left position, the desire of Lib>Lab switchers to see the Tories gone will far outweigh any forgiveness.Jonathan said:Labour have some work to do for sure. But that split of the right wing vote and consolidation of the left wing vote is an absolute killer for the Tories.
Electoral calculus have this as a Labour majority of 60, despite the two main parties not being far off the reverse of the 2010 result.
If I were Dave, I would be praying for a Cable takeover of the LDs.0 -
From the Sun's last poll it has.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 1m
@Sun_Politics describe tonight's YouGov poll as "Labour lead shrinks"
Eh? It is up from 1 to 2. This is one for you Mr. Gove0 -
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !0 -
Socrates said:
What indyref polling?SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
last 14 polls have shown trend to yes, latest ones down to 3-5% swing needed for YES.Socrates said:
What indyref polling?SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
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From today's Labour uncut piece... hmm... never see unskewers on PB only unsquirrels.surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
As the pressure rises, the unskewers’ entreaties not to panic will become more voluble. Loyal front-benchers will take up the cause and we’ll see unskewer analysis regularly retweeted to calm nerves.
The more Labour falls back on this approach, the deeper will be the hole in which the party finds itself. Clinging on to Lib Dem defectors and pointing to Labour’s consistency at 37% in the polls is the last redoubt of those who do not have anything substantive to say on policy or strategy.
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Cameron gained more seats in 2010 than any Tory leader since Maggie in 83; and took power as Prime Minister. There are worse innings!TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at this graph to see this why that comparison is interestingFrankBooth said:
It's a painful comparison but ultimately a slightly odd one. To judge Dave's political virility by anything other than his failure to win in 2010 is strange. Bit like a batsman who failed in test matches telling you he was really great at net practice.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave
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Mummy, what does hubris mean?surbiton said:
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !0 -
What are the odds on two GEs in 2015?0
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Some Labour people also do not understand electoral arithmetic.Scrapheap_as_was said:
From today's Labour uncut piece... hmm... never see unskewers on PB only unsquirrels.surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
As the pressure rises, the unskewers’ entreaties not to panic will become more voluble. Loyal front-benchers will take up the cause and we’ll see unskewer analysis regularly retweeted to calm nerves.
The more Labour falls back on this approach, the deeper will be the hole in which the party finds itself. Clinging on to Lib Dem defectors and pointing to Labour’s consistency at 37% in the polls is the last redoubt of those who do not have anything substantive to say on policy or strategy.
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It doesn't matter.DaemonBarber said:
Mummy, what does hubris mean?surbiton said:
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !
Just leave it alone.
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Anyone else think that the 5/2 on Nick Clegg's tie being yellow in his debate with Farage represents good value?
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WTF are you talking about ?SeanT said:
For the first time in a while, I detect subconscious but sincere anxiety in your posts.surbiton said:
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !
Given the current boundaries and FPTP, the Tories cannot win a majority.
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The Co-op Bank's cash problems loom large over Labour too. Oh dear.0
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Paxman on Newsnight disgusted by the text message fiasco, even though it was only a few.0
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Hmm, with the other leaders not there, he won't have as much need to go with yellow to distinguish himself. But it's still highly likely.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else think that the 5/2 on Nick Clegg's tie being yellow in his debate with Farage represents good value?
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1657911
I'm sure the leaders don't wear ties in their party colours as often as it seems like, but I'm not certain why they seem so keen to perpetuate the idea the political classes truly are identical to the point we need them to be colour co-ordinated to tell them apart.0 -
So a six to ten point lead for "no"?malcolmg said:Socrates said:
What indyref polling?SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
last 14 polls have shown trend to yes, latest ones down to 3-5% swing needed for YES.Socrates said:
What indyref polling?SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
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ComRes is the outlier in the light of recent polls.surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !0 -
Not 'cannot win a majority'. 'Currently inconceivable they could win a majority'. You have to let people have some hope.surbiton said:
WTF are you talking about ?SeanT said:
For the first time in a while, I detect subconscious but sincere anxiety in your posts.surbiton said:
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !
Given the current boundaries and FPTP, the Tories cannot win a majority.
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I wouldn't take pre-97 polls seriously or OGH might be inclined to fire you as guest editor. Those figures look somewhat strange. ICM had the Tories polling 33% in 2004 and between 32-34% in 2001. They had the Tories around 40% in mid-2009 so no major fall back there. Latest ICM had Labour on 38%, so I would expect a couple of points below next year. 36%?TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at this graph to see this why that comparison is interestingFrankBooth said:
It's a painful comparison but ultimately a slightly odd one. To judge Dave's political virility by anything other than his failure to win in 2010 is strange. Bit like a batsman who failed in test matches telling you he was really great at net practice.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave
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Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.0 -
The threat is though that the Tories can pick off a few more points from Ukip, on top of those they have just snaffled. The two key groups in this election are the Red Liberals and the Purple Tories.surbiton said:
Nigel Farage = Ralph Nader = Alliance'83Jonathan said:Labour have some work to do for sure. But that split of the right wing vote and consolidation of the left wing vote is an absolute killer for the Tories.
Electoral calculus have this as a Labour majority of 60, despite the two main parties not being far off the reverse of the 2010 result.
If I were Dave, I would be praying for a Cable takeover of the LDs.0 -
SeanT can add irony to his many strengths. After all, no one does hyperbole and bad-temper quite like him.SeanT said:
Again, the faint but distinct hyperbole and bad-temper in your remarks betrays a concealed panic. As I said, it is possibly subconscious and you are not even aware of it yourself.surbiton said:
WTF are you talking about ?SeanT said:
For the first time in a while, I detect subconscious but sincere anxiety in your posts.surbiton said:
Just remember: Vote Distribution, Same Boundaries.DaemonBarber said:
Yeah, there were lots of posts like that from the blues just prior to the GE...surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
I would say with UKIP getting 6% of the votes, Tories would need a lead of 8% even to equal their current number of MPs.
Mike, repeatedly writes this but you don't listen, do you ?
As Clinton says: It's arithmetic !
Given the current boundaries and FPTP, the Tories cannot win a majority.
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Some of the pre 92 polling was accurate, it was 1992/1997 that the polling wheels fell off.FrankBooth said:
I wouldn't take pre-97 polls seriously or OGH might be inclined to fire you as guest editor. Those figures look somewhat strange. ICM had the Tories polling 33% in 2004 and between 32-34% in 2001. They had the Tories around 40% in mid-2009 so no major fall back there. Latest ICM had Labour on 38%, so I would expect a couple of points below next year. 36%?TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at this graph to see this why that comparison is interestingFrankBooth said:
It's a painful comparison but ultimately a slightly odd one. To judge Dave's political virility by anything other than his failure to win in 2010 is strange. Bit like a batsman who failed in test matches telling you he was really great at net practice.TheScreamingEagles said:In March 2009, for the purposes of comparison, The Tories had a 16% lead with ComRes.
Ed is no Dave
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Not done the caribou migration. But I have seen the wildebeest migration in Tanzania. Tell your editor you need to do a compare-and-contrast of the two... But the Ngorongoro Crater is worth spending your own money to see in any event.SeanT said:Bizarre question: has anyone seen the caribou migrations of Nunavut, Canada?
Today the Times asked me to go and write about it. The specialist lodge, where you can see this great spectacle - and which sits on the Arctic tree line - only invites two journalists a year. This year they have invited two Brits: Boris's dad, Stanley Johnson, and, errr, me (via my editor).
However it's a feck of a long way to travel - to go and see a bunch of deer looking slightly confused in the snow.
Hmm. On the upside Stanley and I will be able to discuss Bozza's future as prime minister of England, and the horrors of the HS2 link, now happily cancelled.
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What's interesting is that when Miliband has these little blips no one on the left advances any a priori reason why he should ultimately beat Cameron (e.g. that he is a greater or a better man, is a better driver or tells funnier jokes than Cameron). You implicitly concede that his best quality is a slight lead in the polls, when he has one.surbiton said:
Some Labour people also do not understand electoral arithmetic.Scrapheap_as_was said:
From today's Labour uncut piece... hmm... never see unskewers on PB only unsquirrels.surbiton said:
And, Labour is still at > 37%.MaxPB said:Tories stay on 36 with YG. That should worry Labour a lot. Lead down to 5 with ComRes should not be reassuring either. The direction of travel is clear which Labour need to address.
YouGov: Labour 334 seats, majority 18
Comres [ phone poll ]: Labour 354 seats, majority 96.
Labour should be worried !
As the pressure rises, the unskewers’ entreaties not to panic will become more voluble. Loyal front-benchers will take up the cause and we’ll see unskewer analysis regularly retweeted to calm nerves.
The more Labour falls back on this approach, the deeper will be the hole in which the party finds itself. Clinging on to Lib Dem defectors and pointing to Labour’s consistency at 37% in the polls is the last redoubt of those who do not have anything substantive to say on policy or strategy.
- The Tories did a great favour by retaining FPTP.
- The Liberals did a great favour by scrapping boundary changes
As dear old Auden put it:
Out of the air a voice without a face
Proved by statistics that some cause was just
In tones as dry and level as the place:
No one was cheered and nothing was discussed.
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FPT:
No, it's not.FrankBooth said:Surprising given how well the Tories have been polling that pb is fixated with Sharia law.
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Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.0 -
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.0 -
Apparently another Indy poll at midnight tonight, Bettertogether tweeting it so maybe good/less bad news for them.0
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TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
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George Galloway debating Jim Sillars on BBC Scotland at the mo'. George seems to have borrowed his outfit from Peter Stringfellow.0
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The current plan is to revive the St Pancras link and compensate the residents of Camden Town by relocating them to Ebbsfleet Garden City.RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.
Sean may even get an extra bedroom and an oblique view of the Thames estuary.
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I maybe wrong, but I think it might be TNS BMRB.Theuniondivvie said:Apparently another Indy poll at midnight tonight, Bettertogether tweeting it so maybe good/less bad news for them.
They released some polling last week, on engagement etc last week.
So they maybe releasing the rest today.0 -
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT0 -
HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.0
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Hm, perhaps scope for a future project to tunnel it. Is a bit stupid not to do it at the same time though.SeanT said:
It's too expensive to tunnel, right now. Apparently. And too destructive to go overground. They literally wanted to smash through Camden Markets, one of the biggest tourist attractions in the UK, which generates billions. Insane.RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.
But in all honesty the whole thing is daft. At some point - given that we aren't in Schengen - we would need to check passports of people going to Europe anyway, so "through trains" are a delusion. We might as well do it in Euston or St Pancras. Ergo people from Brum or northern cities or Scotland will have to get off at Euston, then stand on a travelator for 3 minutes (the latest plan) then get their passports checked, then get on a new train at Kings X.
It's not exactly the Holocaust.0 -
Is this actually, for lack of a better word, true?SeanT said:
It's too expensive to tunnel, right now. Apparently. And too destructive to go overground. They literally wanted to smash through Camden Markets, one of the biggest tourist attractions in the UK, which generates billions. Insane..RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.0 -
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Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?0 -
Would they actually have had trains which went all the way to the Continent, or would a change be required?AndyJS said:HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.
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The bizarre thing is, Labour posters on here keep asking 'When is Cameron going to do something about it?' Since over 80% of Scottish Conservatives are going to vote for the Union, his work is done.....SeanT said:
And Scotland is a huge problem, which Miliband seems unable or unwilling to address. If Labour loses Scotland you are fecked for 20 years.surbiton said:
You are right ! 5% lead [ remember, phone polls are better than online poll: PB golden rule ] , majority government. Miliband should be worried.SeanT said:Along with the indyref polling, these are worrying times for little Ed Miliband.
Are you nicking Hodges' line ?
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Just enjoying your non denial. Paul McConville doesn't tweet as much these days mind you.Mick_Pork said:
Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?0 -
Frustratingly close for the tories but no banana. 3 polls in a row showing a Labour lead of 1%. What are the odds on that? Natural variation and a desire of a headline should have moved one over the line. And now a tel poll showing an improvement but a bigger gap.
I am not sure it gets much worse for Labour than this. Their leader has confirmed himself as a prat, they are falling apart in Scotland, their bank is up the spout and Ed Balls is still shadow Chancellor. Rather than relying on wishful thinking about trends tories need to think just what is it going to take to get a lead?
A tory lead in the next week or so remains a possibility but my guess is that it is no longer a probability. Which is a pity because you can't help feeling that an opinion poll lead is all that stands between Labour and a total melt down. What is the point in pretending that Ed is the answer if you are not even winning? I really don't think there is a coherent answer to that question.0 -
Camden's a shithole. Demolishing it to build a decent railway would improve the area.SeanT said:
It's too expensive to tunnel, right now. Apparently. And too destructive to go overground. They literally wanted to smash through Camden Markets, one of the biggest tourist attractions in the UK, which generates billions. Insane.RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.
But in all honesty the whole thing is daft. At some point - given that we aren't in Schengen - we would need to check passports of people going to Europe anyway, so "through trains" are a delusion. We might as well do it in Euston or St Pancras. Ergo people from Brum or northern cities or Scotland will have to get off at Euston, then stand on a travelator for 3 minutes (the latest plan) then get their passports checked, then get on a new train at Kings X.
It's not exactly the Holocaust.
As for your ludicrous suggestion that the markets generate billions? Lay off the Morrisons Amarone.
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I think the real answer to this is political.RobD said:
Hm, perhaps scope for a future project to tunnel it. Is a bit stupid not to do it at the same time though.SeanT said:
It's too expensive to tunnel, right now. Apparently. And too destructive to go overground. They literally wanted to smash through Camden Markets, one of the biggest tourist attractions in the UK, which generates billions. Insane.RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.
But in all honesty the whole thing is daft. At some point - given that we aren't in Schengen - we would need to check passports of people going to Europe anyway, so "through trains" are a delusion. We might as well do it in Euston or St Pancras. Ergo people from Brum or northern cities or Scotland will have to get off at Euston, then stand on a travelator for 3 minutes (the latest plan) then get their passports checked, then get on a new train at Kings X.
It's not exactly the Holocaust.
Cameron charged 'Professor' Higgins with the task of reducing overall cost (to defuse Labour criticism and to gain cross-party support) and to increase investment and employment in the North (to woo the desolates to the Tories).
Higgins obliged. The periphery of any large infrastructure is always the first to be chopped in austere times, so starting in the North protects that area from later cost cutting. It also builds demand and encourages 'joined up' thinking. That makes it much easier for a government to approve the join at a later date.
With current costs of the London link being £500-£700 million the scale of investment required, even after a long delay, will always be within reach for government capital expenditure.
I think Josias is right that it will reappear under a revised plan once work gets underway in the provinces.0 -
Who wants to go all the way from Newcastle to Cologne by train? Flying is better. London to Brussels or Paris just about works, but it's almost more convenient (and cheaper) to fly to Amsterdam rather than take the train.AndyJS said:HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.
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Been drinking very heavily have you 'arry?TGOHF said:
Just enjoying your non denial.Mick_Pork said:
Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?
LOL
Which one is lying? Come on chum, speak up!
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here is another thing I have always wondered about Eurostar. Given that an official language of one the the two countries it goes to is Dutch, why are all the signs bilingual in English and French?JohnLilburne said:
Who wants to go all the way from Newcastle to Cologne by train? Flying is better. London to Brussels or Paris just about works, but it's almost more convenient (and cheaper) to fly to Amsterdam rather than take the train.AndyJS said:HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.
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Couldn't give a toss. Just laughing at your tweet list.Mick_Pork said:
Been drinking very heavily have you 'arry?TGOHF said:
Just enjoying your non denial.Mick_Pork said:
Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?
LOL
Which one is lying? Come on chum, speak up!0 -
Fear of flying.JohnLilburne said:
Who wants to go all the way from Newcastle to Cologne by train? Flying is better. London to Brussels or Paris just about works, but it's almost more convenient (and cheaper) to fly to Amsterdam rather than take the train.AndyJS said:HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.
Many northerners have never seen an aeroplane let alone boarded one.
It really is that desolate up there.0 -
Competition. Some will be happy to sit on a train for 8 hours to get somewhere they can fly in 2 to save £££.JohnLilburne said:
Who wants to go all the way from Newcastle to Cologne by train? Flying is better. London to Brussels or Paris just about works, but it's almost more convenient (and cheaper) to fly to Amsterdam rather than take the train.AndyJS said:HS2 link would be good for the rest of the country: it would mean Bham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow, Leeds having a direct rail link to the continent.
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Then is was pretty dumb to start whining about the story, wasn't it 'arry?TGOHF said:
Couldn't give a toss.Mick_Pork said:
Been drinking very heavily have you 'arry?TGOHF said:
Just enjoying your non denial.Mick_Pork said:
Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?
LOL
Which one is lying? Come on chum, speak up!
*chortle*
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When did Comres do the fieldwork? anyone know??0
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It's worth a reminder, I think, that in 2010 the vote share was:DavidL said:Frustratingly close for the tories but no banana. 3 polls in a row showing a Labour lead of 1%. What are the odds on that? Natural variation and a desire of a headline should have moved one over the line. And now a tel poll showing an improvement but a bigger gap.
I am not sure it gets much worse for Labour than this. Their leader has confirmed himself as a prat, they are falling apart in Scotland, their bank is up the spout and Ed Balls is still shadow Chancellor. Rather than relying on wishful thinking about trends tories need to think just what is it going to take to get a lead?
A tory lead in the next week or so remains a possibility but my guess is that it is no longer a probability. Which is a pity because you can't help feeling that an opinion poll lead is all that stands between Labour and a total melt down. What is the point in pretending that Ed is the answer if you are not even winning? I really don't think there is a coherent answer to that question.
CON 36
LAB 29
LIB 23
And that wasn't enough to give Cameron a majority.
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What story - was chortling at your bhand of mherry men.Mick_Pork said:
Then is was pretty dumb to start whining about the story, wasn't it 'arry?TGOHF said:
Couldn't give a toss.Mick_Pork said:
Been drinking very heavily have you 'arry?TGOHF said:
Just enjoying your non denial.Mick_Pork said:
Which one do you think is lying about what Blair said or the 529 death sentences?TGOHF said:
Haggerty from the Drum, Roy Greenslade fro the Granuaid etc - 3 for 3 ?.Mick_Pork said:TGOHF said:
Gerry Hassan - you do follow some rum old coves Porky. Is ill 5 names Phil on your go to list ?Mick_Pork said:Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan 3h
529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters sentenced to death in #Egypt by the #Blair approved military dictatorship. #c4news
Witless NeoCon fools.
Pitiful even by your standards 'arry.
Tony Blair backs Egypt's government and criticises Brotherhood
Former British PM says Muslim Brotherhood was stealing Egypt's revolution and army intervention has put it on right path
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/30/tony-blair-backs-egypt-military-ruler-abdel-fatah-al-sisi
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death: lawyer http://reut.rs/1eE4wfX
Paul Kershaw @1917paul 13h
The Wall Street Journal said #Egypt needed its Pinochet - "Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death" http://is.gd/3eDPlT
Or are you just comically fumbling about as usual 'arry?
LOL
Which one is lying? Come on chum, speak up!
*chortle*0 -
You might find some more info in the comments here. They usually source the fieldwork dates pretty quick.SquareRoot said:When did Comres do the fieldwork? anyone know??
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8690
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Will Orkney and Shetland join the micro nationalists?
As Scotland debates splitting from the UK, some of its islands are now demanding the right to their own independence vote. Where will it all end?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/mar/24/will-orkney-shetland-join-micronationalists-independence-vote0 -
ROFLCarlottaVance said:Will Orkney and Shetland join the micro nationalists?
As Scotland debates splitting from the UK, some of its islands are now demanding the right to their own independence vote. Where will it all end?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/mar/24/will-orkney-shetland-join-micronationalists-independence-vote0 -
Drive over the canal from Parkway, to Regents Park and you might as well be journeying to the Moon. You're deluding yourself if you think that Arlington Road is the Outer Circles little cousin.SeanT said:
Camden's a shithole. OK, tell that to my neighbours. This is literally 2 minutes walk from my flat:TheWatcher said:
Camden's a shithole. Demolishing it to build a decent railway would improve the area.SeanT said:
It's too expensive to tunnel, right now. Apparently. And too destructive to go overground. They literally wanted to smash through Camden Markets, one of the biggest tourist attractions in the UK, which generates billions. Insane.RobD said:
Can't they tunnel it, or was the tunnelling what would cause the disruption.SeanT said:
No, just from the perspective of property owners in NW1 and NW3. The link might have been great for the nation, but as a property owner in NW1, I don't give a f*ck. The link would have been catastrophic for Camden Town and outlying burbs like Primrose Hill, Dartmouth Park, Hampstead, etc.Socrates said:@SeanT
What are the horrors of the HS2 link? Are these horrors just from the perspective of property owners in the area, or actually bad for the nation as a whole?
Memo to railway planners: if you want to get permission for a hugely disruptive new railway line, make sure you plan to smash it through a poor area, like, say, Yorkshire, Liverpool, or Scotland, not through the most media savvy, politically influential borough in the entire country.
But in all honesty the whole thing is daft. At some point - given that we aren't in Schengen - we would need to check passports of people going to Europe anyway, so "through trains" are a delusion. We might as well do it in Euston or St Pancras. Ergo people from Brum or northern cities or Scotland will have to get off at Euston, then stand on a travelator for 3 minutes (the latest plan) then get their passports checked, then get on a new train at Kings X.
It's not exactly the Holocaust.
As for your ludicrous suggestion that the markets generate billions? Lay off the Morrisons Amarone.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-37251643.html
Heh.
The Park is Bentleys and serenity, Camden is 'dogs on string' and the horrors of Chalk Farm and deprived council estates.
If you had the cash, you'd be off to the former like a shot, or somewhere decent south of Hyde Park.0
