Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
Remainers like you succeeded in putting No Deal in play and that irony has embittered you more than ever. It shows.
Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers were on TV last November denouncing the deal before the text had even been released.
That would not have mattered had the vast majority of non Tory MPs voted for it. Party lines are immaterial on this issue except for tribalists.
Lol - it's a blatant example of liberal (in the American sense of the word) bias.
Anyone can be a Wikipedia editor
So? If I change it so Farage's photo is up there it will just be changed back by the wiki elite.
It will be changed back because what actually matters in our electoral system is seats, not votes. And on that basis UKIP were joint last of all parties that actually won any seats.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
Lol - it's a blatant example of liberal (in the American sense of the word) bias.
Not biased, UKIP came 10th in the election.
They came third in the popular vote beating SNP and Lib Dems. Farage should have his photo up there on their biased website.
Are you saying that Hilary Clinton actually came first?
No - I'm saying I bet there's a fucking photo of her on US Election 2016
Yes - in second, where she came in terms of EC votes. Although I don't think she's fucking in the photo. In fact, I believe Bill takes his ahem, exercise elsewhere these days.
Just as Farage would be there if they went down as far as joint last, but they don't.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
The really funny thing is the Rangers fans laughing at this result not realising this result makes it harder for Rangers to qualify for Europe in the future as the Scottish co-efficient takes another pummelling.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
Remainers like you succeeded in putting No Deal in play and that irony has embittered you more than ever. It shows.
Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers were on TV last November denouncing the deal before the text had even been released.
That would not have mattered had the vast majority of non Tory MPs voted for it. Party lines are immaterial on this issue except for tribalists.
May called the election saying that Labour were threatening to vote against the deal. Labour issued a manifesto opposed to May's approach to Brexit. They had a mandate to vote against the deal.
Popular vote doesn't matter, we measure in seats and UKIP won 1 seat. If you wanted Farage's picture up there you'd have to have before him not just the 4 shown but he was also beaten by Peter Robinson's DUP (8 seats), Gerry Adams' Sinn Fein (4 seats), Leanne Wood's Plaid Cymru (3 seats), Alasdair McDonnell's SDLP (3 seats) and Mike Nesbitt's UUP (2 seats). Farage would then be 10th.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
Remainers like you succeeded in putting No Deal in play and that irony has embittered you more than ever. It shows.
Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers were on TV last November denouncing the deal before the text had even been released.
That would not have mattered had the vast majority of non Tory MPs voted for it. Party lines are immaterial on this issue except for tribalists.
Party lines are material because T May made them material - she shut the opposition parties out of the deliberations until she had sealed her deal with Brussels and then failed twice to get it through parliament.
This is interesting. The Wild West image of a semi-lawless, small homestead town in the West with men wandering around with guns is a 20th c myth according to this video. Newly established towns in say Kansas had signs saying leave your guns at the office before entering...
This really bugs me. He had nine points already, and was too stupid and arrogant to slow down. Then he bleats that his job will be in affected if he gets a longer ban. The judge is a wanker!
Anyone know what the average margin was in these seats in GE2017?
Richmond Park 0.07% St Ives 0.61% Cheltenham 4.51% North Devon 7.78% Cheadle 8.26% Lewes 10.16% St Albans 10.72% Wells 12.46% Hazel Grove 12.49% North Cornwall 14.13% Winchester 17.49% Brecon & Radnorshire 19.45% Thornbury & Yate 23.81% Yeovil 24.78% Taunton Deane 25.20% Sutton & Cheam 24.43% Eastleigh 24.75% Montgomeryshire 26.61% Torbay 27.91% Chippenham 29.10%
Are, I think, the 20 most marginal straight Con/LD seats but there's also Southport where the LDs are in 3rd place but only about 12% off the lead.
Looks like an average lead of about 16% to the Conservatives in these seats in 2017.
Labour would mount a serious campaign in St Albans given that it held the seat 1997 - 2005.
2005 is a lifetime ago in political terms. Corbyn isn't Blair in terms of who he's appealing to, and St Albans was massively Remain. Labour will be sub 15%.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
Remainers chose to walk through the lobbies with the ERG. Then they're horrified there's no deal. Seriously WTF?
The trouble is if remainers had voted for the deal, leavers would have howled with rage that true Brexit had been thwarted and that it was BINO.
The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
We would have left with a deal though. The Brexit party would be emasculated. I don't see very many on here cheering on the Brexit party. It's only purpose is to try to make sure Brexit gets done, in its terms, properly.
This really bugs me. He had nine points already, and was too stupid and arrogant to slow down. Then he bleats that his job will be in affected if he gets a longer ban. The judge is a wanker!
I believe it was actually a JP. But I'm intrigued. The basic tenor of that comment implies you have met a judge who is NOT a wanker. Who was it and when?
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
Anyone know what the average margin was in these seats in GE2017?
Richmond Park 0.07% St Ives 0.61% Cheltenham 4.51% North Devon 7.78% Cheadle 8.26% Lewes 10.16% St Albans 10.72% Wells 12.46% Hazel Grove 12.49% North Cornwall 14.13% Winchester 17.49% Brecon & Radnorshire 19.45% Thornbury & Yate 23.81% Yeovil 24.78% Taunton Deane 25.20% Sutton & Cheam 24.43% Eastleigh 24.75% Montgomeryshire 26.61% Torbay 27.91% Chippenham 29.10%
Are, I think, the 20 most marginal straight Con/LD seats but there's also Southport where the LDs are in 3rd place but only about 12% off the lead.
Looks like an average lead of about 16% to the Conservatives in these seats in 2017.
Labour would mount a serious campaign in St Albans given that it held the seat 1997 - 2005.
What would Labour campaign on ? 2nd referendum, if there is a Tory deal or No deal. But Brexit if a Labour deal. But Labour members and supporters [ 80% of them ] do not want a fucking deal. WE want to REMAIN.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
Remainers like you succeeded in putting No Deal in play and that irony has embittered you more than ever. It shows.
Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers were on TV last November denouncing the deal before the text had even been released.
That would not have mattered had the vast majority of non Tory MPs voted for it. Party lines are immaterial on this issue except for tribalists.
Party lines are material because T May made them material - she shut the opposition parties out of the deliberations until she had sealed her deal with Brussels and then failed twice to get it through parliament.
She shut her own party out of the deliberations too.
In order to TAKE BACK CONTROL and ensure that Parliament is once again sovereign, it has become clear that we need to, errr, shut down Parliament for a few weeks.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
Remainers chose to walk through the lobbies with the ERG. Then they're horrified there's no deal. Seriously WTF?
The trouble is if remainers had voted for the deal, leavers would have howled with rage that true Brexit had been thwarted and that it was BINO.
The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
Since when did remainers care about leavers howling?
Yes if remainers had voted for the deal, true Brexit would have been thwarted. We would have had Remainer May's remainy deal thrust upon us by a Remainer Parliament.
But the Remainers did the Leavers dirty work and killed the deal, now we get a clean exit. Thanks guys!
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
Remainers like you succeeded in putting No Deal in play and that irony has embittered you more than ever. It shows.
Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers were on TV last November denouncing the deal before the text had even been released.
That would not have mattered had the vast majority of non Tory MPs voted for it. Party lines are immaterial on this issue except for tribalists.
May called the election saying that Labour were threatening to vote against the deal. Labour issued a manifesto opposed to May's approach to Brexit. They had a mandate to vote against the deal.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
I believe it was actually a JP. But I'm intrigued. The basic tenor of that comment implies you have met a judge who is NOT a wanker. Who was it and when?
I'm happy to say I have never met an actual Judge, unless you count the Loughborough Monitor annual christmas colouring competition from 48 years ago. I'm told the Judge was some Coronation Street star.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
The deal is still there. It has been abandoned - without mandate - by the death cult.
The squeezed Labour vote may well be already in the figures with the residual vote being ultra loyalist and much less amenable to tactical voting for a Tory Little Helper.Several of the seats - in addition to St Albans - have seen substantial Labour votes in the past - indeed Labour was in contention in Cheltenham, Taunton and Yeovil in 1966.Any tactical shift has probably already occurred - as has happened in Brecon & Radnor.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
Yes it does.
They have a mandate for Brexit. No deal Brexit is simply what happens if Brexit occurs without a deal, which Parliament blocked. What did you think was going to happen when Parliament blocked the deal, what mythical unicorn did you expect to avoid a no deal Brexit given Brexit was still continuing just now without a deal?
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
nt.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
No, but Brexit itself has a very clear mandate. I wish Remain won the referendum, but we didn't. So the mandate is to leave. Those overriding a mandate were all those MPs who voted against the deal. They were craven fools. Their best chance now is to pass the deal and make Boris be the one who is breaking a mandate.
The squeezed Labour vote may well be already in the figures with the residual vote being ultra loyalist and much less amenable to tactical voting for a Tory Little Helper.Several of the seats - in addition to St Albans - have seen substantial Labour votes in the past - indeed Labour was in contention in Cheltenham, Taunton and Yeovil in 1966.Any tactical shift has probably already occurred - as has happened in Brecon & Radnor.
I really do need to finish that thread header on Brecon and Radnor.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
The deal is still there. It has been abandoned - without mandate - by the death cult.
No, it was abandoned by Parliament. Over 400 MPs rejected it originally, but even later a majority blocked it all 3 times.
What unicorn did you expect to happen next when the deal was blocked? If we leave, but can get through a deal, then that would be called . . . ???
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
The deal is still there. It has been abandoned - without mandate - by the death cult.
It wasn't abandoned by the ERG. It was voted down by parliament. Three times.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
The deal is still there. It has been abandoned - without mandate - by the death cult.
The Deal has been abandoned by Parliament. How many more time should they trounce it before you accept it's dead?
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
nt.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
The squeezed Labour vote may well be already in the figures with the residual vote being ultra loyalist and much less amenable to tactical voting for a Tory Little Helper.Several of the seats - in addition to St Albans - have seen substantial Labour votes in the past - indeed Labour was in contention in Cheltenham, Taunton and Yeovil in 1966.Any tactical shift has probably already occurred - as has happened in Brecon & Radnor.
And how many 1966 voters are still alive and living in the same area? Note that the youngest possible voter in 1966 would be 74 now.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
The squeezed Labour vote may well be already in the figures with the residual vote being ultra loyalist and much less amenable to tactical voting for a Tory Little Helper.Several of the seats - in addition to St Albans - have seen substantial Labour votes in the past - indeed Labour was in contention in Cheltenham, Taunton and Yeovil in 1966.Any tactical shift has probably already occurred - as has happened in Brecon & Radnor.
I know you are a Labour supporter. Would you get some satisfaction if the Tories little helpers did not win and the Tories won instead ?
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
Then you are lacking in imagination
There was a vote to leave
It is a reasonable assumption that most believed a deal was likely.
But the instruction was to leave. There was no caveat saying “but only if you negotiate a deal”
Was that how the referendum campaign was fought by Leave, what they argued for?
It’s no use, Alastair. You could quote all the statements made by Johnson, Gove, Raab and the rest of the Cabinet and it would all be ignored.
You could even, as I have done in a thread header, quote the specific words in the Tory manifesto of 2017, on which all these lying halfwits were elected, which says that they will have an orderly exit and that too will be ignored.
Remainer MPs rejected an orderly exit deal 3 times. ERG was irrelevant as were the other Tory rebels.
May's deal was a pretty hard version of Brexit. You can hardly blame Labour MPs for not supporting it. The situation we are in is pretty much down to the Tories.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
Yes it does.
They have a mandate for Brexit. No deal Brexit is simply what happens if Brexit occurs without a deal, which Parliament blocked. What did you think was going to happen when Parliament blocked the deal, what mythical unicorn did you expect to avoid a no deal Brexit given Brexit was still continuing just now without a deal?
They have a mandate for the Brexit they campaigned for. That was Brexit with a deal.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit and no mandate for Brexit on 31 October. That’s strictly death cult material.
‘There are certain individuals in the UK who are whipping up this catastrophism for their own reasons,’ - must read PB.
He's broadly correct.
The issues will be with British (and EU) firms who have never exported beyond the bloc before, and who are unaware how the forms work. This will be especially acute in agriculture.
There will also be issues for sectors with tight supply chain timings, and also for people who export to places outside the EU, who will need documentation around Rules of Origin.
Basically, there will be problems, especially in the first few weeks. But it will not be the end of the world.
The real question is not about whether there is some initial disruption (there will but it will be annoying rather than terminal), it's about whether certain businesses with cross border supply chains deal well with things crossing the border multiple times, accumulating tariffs every time. My guess is that UK auto suppliers will struggle, and if they do, it may cast into doubt the long term future of car making in the UK.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
nt.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
No
The rest is superfluous.
Nonsense. The lacking mandate bit is the deal being voted down. Not the exiting of the EU. That is on the people who voted down the deal. Not the people exiting the EU.
Remainers chose to walk through the lobbies with the ERG. Then they're horrified there's no deal. Seriously WTF?
The trouble is if remainers had voted for the deal, leavers would have howled with rage that true Brexit had been thwarted and that it was BINO.
The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
Since when did remainers care about leavers howling?
Yes if remainers had voted for the deal, true Brexit would have been thwarted. We would have had Remainer May's remainy deal thrust upon us by a Remainer Parliament.
But the Remainers did the Leavers dirty work and killed the deal, now we get a clean exit. Thanks guys!
This is what makes Remainers so cross now, the realisation.
There is a mandate for 'Brexit'. No flavour was specified. I think you can safely say that any flavour counts. What doesn't count is not leaving the EU.
I have enormous sympathy, and mostly I may even agree with the remain view, but I have far more alignment with things like the respect of the wishes of the people.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
We have to leave the EU. That was the decision. (And it was a decision)
I'm not entirely sure that no-one campaigned for no-deal. But certainly few did, if any.
You are trying to overturn the wishes of the people and introduce your own policy ideas, and merely on the basis that you wish it was so. Ambitious certainly, but hardly coherent.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
There's no mandate beyond leaving the EU. So we must leave the EU. Then we can get back to normal.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
IT'S THE DEFAULT, STUPID!
Block capitals do not make something true. On 23 June 2016 this was not true.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
As a maths major I'm a big fan of answering the question on the paper. It was indeed to leave the EU, various soft forms including the deal and CM+ were set out which would have satisfied the referendum but our wonders of MPs couldn't agree a single form between them.
Both "No deal" and CM+ satisfy the question, personally I couldn't see the benefits outweighing the costs if we left without a deal which I always held as a possibility hence my vote to remain but 17.6 million seemed willing to risk it. I never took the campaign to be particularly prescient about what would happen after, it was an obvious appeal to the heartstrings with a vaguely jingoistic NHS message.
Remainers gave them the mandate by rejecting the deal. They could have permanently taken no deal off the table, but they got greedy and its backfired.
You don’t get to claim a mandate for something that you actively disavowed. Black is not white. You want no deal Brexit, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got one.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
We have a mandate to leave.
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
The deal is still there. It has been abandoned - without mandate - by the death cult.
Tbh, that's a poor result for the Lib Dems, they want to be at least 6-8 points ahead in the marginals by now.
And the Tories haven't done more than suggest a few morsals from their war chest spend yet.
While the Conservative activists huff and puff this poll shows the LDs getting results on the ground.
It's well known once the GE campaign starts the LD effort in the marginals will increase exponentially so to be on terms at this time (which will mean well ahead in a few, well behind in a few and close in the others) is very good.
We obviously need to see polls from BOTH Con-Lab and Lab-Con marginals to get a much better idea of what is happening over and above the national polls which are effectively propaganda weapons these days and of no real value.
Remainers chose to walk through the lobbies with the ERG. Then they're horrified there's no deal. Seriously WTF?
The trouble is if remainers had voted for the deal, leavers would have howled with rage that true Brexit had been thwarted and that it was BINO.
The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
Since when did remainers care about leavers howling?
Yes if remainers had voted for the deal, true Brexit would have been thwarted. We would have had Remainer May's remainy deal thrust upon us by a Remainer Parliament.
But the Remainers did the Leavers dirty work and killed the deal, now we get a clean exit. Thanks guys!
And how do you think that 'clean exit' is going to pan out?
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
nt.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
No
The rest is superfluous.
Nonsense. The lacking mandate bit is the deal being voted down. Not the exiting of the EU. That is on the people who voted down the deal. Not the people exiting the EU.
The mandate campaigned for was for Brexit with a deal where “we held all the cards”. The idea this was untrue was expressly, repeatedly and angrily disavowed.
If events have not transpired as Leavers deludedly imagines, this does not turn a pumpkin into a golden coach. It just means that there is no mandate for what Leavers want to do. They now need one.
Block capitals do not make something true. On 23 June 2016 this was not true.
Its the EU's own constitution, adopted by the Treaty of Lisbon, as you supported getting ratified that makes it true. Its the EU's own insistence we must leave via Article 50 that makes it true.
Article 50 means we leave automatically without a deal, unless a deal is agreed. A deal - the only deal the EU says is available - was agreed and rejected, that leaves just no deal remaining. Parliament's choice.
Unless the EU was lying and there's another deal available.
Remainers chose to walk through the lobbies with the ERG. Then they're horrified there's no deal. Seriously WTF?
The trouble is if remainers had voted for the deal, leavers would have howled with rage that true Brexit had been thwarted and that it was BINO.
The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
Since when did remainers care about leavers howling?
Yes if remainers had voted for the deal, true Brexit would have been thwarted. We would have had Remainer May's remainy deal thrust upon us by a Remainer Parliament.
But the Remainers did the Leavers dirty work and killed the deal, now we get a clean exit. Thanks guys!
And how do you think that 'clean exit' is going to pan out?
The squeezed Labour vote may well be already in the figures with the residual vote being ultra loyalist and much less amenable to tactical voting for a Tory Little Helper.Several of the seats - in addition to St Albans - have seen substantial Labour votes in the past - indeed Labour was in contention in Cheltenham, Taunton and Yeovil in 1966.Any tactical shift has probably already occurred - as has happened in Brecon & Radnor.
And how many 1966 voters are still alive and living in the same area?
Very few - but that was not my point! The electoral dynamics of those seats have changed - particularly since they elected LIbDem MPs -with non - Tories now accustomed to the idea that to defeat the Tory they need to vote LibDem . That ,of course, assumes that such voters see a significant difference between the two.Having said that , in some seats. the process went into reverse in 2015 and 2017 - to such an extent that Yeovil, Taunton and Torbay now look pretty safe in Tory hands.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
Then you are lacking in imagination
There was a vote to leave
It is a reasonable assumption that most believed a deal was likely.
But the instruction was to leave. There was no caveat saying “but only if you negotiate a deal”
Was that how the referendum campaign was fought by Leave, what they argued for?
It’s no use, Alastair. You could quote all the statements made by Johnson, Gove, Raab and the rest of the Cabinet and it would all be ignored.
You could even, as I have done in a thread header, quote the specific words in the Tory manifesto of 2017, on which all these lying halfwits were elected, which says that they will have an orderly exit and that too will be ignored.
Remainer MPs rejected an orderly exit deal 3 times. ERG was irrelevant as were the other Tory rebels.
So get a mandate for No Deal or for a different deal. But don’t go round claiming a mandate you don’t have or lying, as Raab has, about what was said during the referendum campaign.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
Then you are lacking in imagination
There was a vote to leave
It is a reasonable assumption that most believed a deal was likely.
But the instruction was to leave. There was no caveat saying “but only if you negotiate a deal”
Was that how the referendum campaign was fought by Leave, what they argued for?
It’s no use, Alastair. You could quote all the statements made by Johnson, Gove, Raab and the rest of the Cabinet and it would all be ignored.
You could even, as I have done in a thread header, quote the specific words in the Tory manifesto of 2017, on which all these lying halfwits were elected, which says that they will have an orderly exit and that too will be ignored.
Remainer MPs rejected an orderly exit deal 3 times. ERG was irrelevant as were the other Tory rebels.
May's deal was a pretty hard version of Brexit. You can hardly blame Labour MPs for not supporting it. The situation we are in is pretty much down to the Tories.
Brexit: It really is as simple as delivering on a democratic mandate. There are no ifs or buts. How much clearer could the instruction be?
Meeks; You are fighting against democracy. You have so much more to lose than you have to gain. If you and the other remainders fight with Democracy then who knows.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit. I have no idea how you can imagine that there is.
If it's not to be democracy in the future then so be it. Not being democracy is your choice.
No one campaigned for no deal Brexit. If you want it, you need a mandate for it. You haven’t got it yet.
nt.
No, I’m trying to get Leavers to acknowledge that they are now claiming a mandate for a form of Brexit that they not only did not campaign for but that they expressly disavowed.
EU too)
Once again, you’re claiming a mandate for something that during the referendum campaign Leavers not only did not campaign for but disavowed.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
The deal on the table was sabotaged by both sides by childish MPs. Parliament voted to invoke Article 50 and leave the EU. Then they voted to not take the managed transition. Three times. Every vote against that deal, when we were already leaving in law, is responsible for No Deal.
That still does not give the death cult a mandate for no deal Brexit.
No
The rest is superfluous.
Nonsense. The lacking mandate bit is the deal being voted down. Not the exiting of the EU. That is on the people who voted down the deal. Not the people exiting the EU.
The mandate campaigned for was for Brexit with a deal where “we held all the cards”. The idea this was untrue was expressly, repeatedly and angrily disavowed.
If events have not transpired as Leavers deludedly imagines, this does not turn a pumpkin into a golden coach. It just means that there is no mandate for what Leavers want to do. They now need one.
The mandate was to Leave the EU. There was no wording about how that was to be done in the referendum question. Any type of Leave qualifies as fulfilling the mandate and any type of Remain fails it.
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The Brexit party would probably be polling 30+%
Such a shame for an err, British team
Just as Farage would be there if they went down as far as joint last, but they don't.
I think that the pro-EU camp (although i equivocated in the referendum I am somewhat more anti-EU) may well be better fighting for future closer ties than trying to hang on to what we have. (I actually think that's better for the EU too)
Hence why in 2015 Nicola's SNP (56 seats, 4.7%) is listed ahead of Clegg's LDs (8 seats, 7.9%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
Hence why in 2005 in England Blair's Labour (286 seats, 35.4%) is listed ahead of Howard's Tories (19 seats, 35.7%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_England
Hency why in 1951 Churchill's Tories (321 seats, 48.0%) is listed ahead of Attlee's Labour (295 seats, 48.8%)
Popular vote doesn't matter, we measure in seats and UKIP won 1 seat. If you wanted Farage's picture up there you'd have to have before him not just the 4 shown but he was also beaten by Peter Robinson's DUP (8 seats), Gerry Adams' Sinn Fein (4 seats), Leanne Wood's Plaid Cymru (3 seats), Alasdair McDonnell's SDLP (3 seats) and Mike Nesbitt's UUP (2 seats). Farage would then be 10th.
The deal on the table has been sabotaged and now abandoned by Leavers. They have no mandate for their actions now.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s-e-cupp-quits-nra-gun-control_n_5d50c0dae4b0fd2733f23c00
Having missed the point of the conversation completely and looked like a muppet in consequence, my HYUFD impersonation is perfected.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/aug/13/alan-partridge-saves-steve-coogan-from-lengthy-driving-ban
Anyway, doesn't this sort of thing go on all the time (people on 12 or more points getting an exemption because of their job)?
Take back control kids.
Glad we got that cleared up.
But Labour members and supporters [ 80% of them ] do not want a fucking deal. WE want to REMAIN.
Was a disgusting affront to our parliamentary sovereignty. I blame Europe
Catch 22 is not a comedy.
This is not difficult stuff but Leavers are determined to undermine Britain’s democracy because they hate the EU so much.
Yes if remainers had voted for the deal, true Brexit would have been thwarted. We would have had Remainer May's remainy deal thrust upon us by a Remainer Parliament.
But the Remainers did the Leavers dirty work and killed the deal, now we get a clean exit. Thanks guys!
No deal is not a thing. It is just an absence of a deal, since you guys rejected the deal we have no choice, the only way to leave left open to us now is without a deal.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1161380703499669504
They have a mandate for Brexit. No deal Brexit is simply what happens if Brexit occurs without a deal, which Parliament blocked. What did you think was going to happen when Parliament blocked the deal, what mythical unicorn did you expect to avoid a no deal Brexit given Brexit was still continuing just now without a deal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
What unicorn did you expect to happen next when the deal was blocked? If we leave, but can get through a deal, then that would be called . . . ???
Why are you only adding the party that came 10th?
They have a mandate for the Brexit they campaigned for. That was Brexit with a deal.
There is no mandate for no deal Brexit and no mandate for Brexit on 31 October. That’s strictly death cult material.
The issues will be with British (and EU) firms who have never exported beyond the bloc before, and who are unaware how the forms work. This will be especially acute in agriculture.
There will also be issues for sectors with tight supply chain timings, and also for people who export to places outside the EU, who will need documentation around Rules of Origin.
Basically, there will be problems, especially in the first few weeks. But it will not be the end of the world.
The real question is not about whether there is some initial disruption (there will but it will be annoying rather than terminal), it's about whether certain businesses with cross border supply chains deal well with things crossing the border multiple times, accumulating tariffs every time. My guess is that UK auto suppliers will struggle, and if they do, it may cast into doubt the long term future of car making in the UK.
Both "No deal" and CM+ satisfy the question, personally I couldn't see the benefits outweighing the costs if we left without a deal which I always held as a possibility hence my vote to remain but 17.6 million seemed willing to risk it.
I never took the campaign to be particularly prescient about what would happen after, it was an obvious appeal to the heartstrings with a vaguely jingoistic NHS message.
Losers.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1161383106332561410
It's well known once the GE campaign starts the LD effort in the marginals will increase exponentially so to be on terms at this time (which will mean well ahead in a few, well behind in a few and close in the others) is very good.
We obviously need to see polls from BOTH Con-Lab and Lab-Con marginals to get a much better idea of what is happening over and above the national polls which are effectively propaganda weapons these days and of no real value.
If events have not transpired as Leavers deludedly imagines, this does not turn a pumpkin into a golden coach. It just means that there is no mandate for what Leavers want to do. They now need one.
Article 50 means we leave automatically without a deal, unless a deal is agreed. A deal - the only deal the EU says is available - was agreed and rejected, that leaves just no deal remaining. Parliament's choice.
Unless the EU was lying and there's another deal available.
At least I was trying to take a stand for democracy.
But, in fact, Wikipedia *always* does it by seats in parliamentary elections.