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I quit Labour in the early noughties. It was 10 years before I joined the LibDems, but as someone without intention of running for office it is possible to object to party policy. I am not keen on the cannabis policy for example, nor assisted dying but neither are dealbreakers.RochdalePioneers said:
I was fighting. Celebrated getting a local loon booted. But realised that every single day I was fighting with myself to look past my hatred of the party and what it was forcing me to be. Until last night, when I suddenly realised my "let's fight and win" hand was a pair of 4s.OllyT said:
Good for you. I left soon after Corbyn became leader and I have been arguing about it with a friend who has been a member for 40 years ever since. He claimed you had to stay and fight - had a text from him about a week ago saying he had resigned and joined the Lib Dems!! Sometimes you have to admit the game is over.RochdalePioneers said:I have resigned from the Labour Party
So I folded. Placed my cards on the table and stepped away. I don't regret at least trying to fight. But I also don't regret quitting. It's liberating.
There are good people in the Labour Party, but hard to seeing them regain control.0 -
It is the Brexit supporting media that gifted Farage the European elections in order to put pressure on the Tories to get rid of then PM May and replace her with a Brexiteer. It is interesting that having built up the Brexit party as they did, the Brexit supporting media may have torpedoed the Tories now led by Brexiteer Boris!Byronic said:
No. Farage is much more than that.rcs1000 said:
I think Farage is (or was) the right man, in the right place, rather than a political (or actual) genius.Byronic said:
Neither Johnson nor Farage are thick. Farage is arguably a political genius, and the most influential politician of our time. Though obviously hated by many.ydoethur said:
It's very nice to be able to say Johnson, Corbyn and Farage are all thick, useless and incompetent.The_Taxman said:
+1IanB2 said:RochdalePioneers said:I have resigned from the Labour Party
As some
Whether you return to Labour or find a new more fulfilling political home, time will tell. Meanwhile enjoy the chance to do some free thinking.
Sound advice! You can still be interested in politics but not actually be a member. Not having to turn a blind eye to stupid ideas, policies or party problems gives an independent minded person moral superiority!
Look at the way he quit UKIP, at just the right time, then set up the Brexit Party from scratch, and guided them to victory in the European elex, about six weeks later? And now the BXP are scarily salient in the GE polls (if you're a Tory).
This takes great political intelligence, on several levels. Farage is the smartest operator out there (now that Salmond is out).
The panicked Daily Express yesterday in the wake of B & R by-election was trying to drop a not too suttle hint that BP supporters should now support the Tories! The Brexit supporting media have been too clever by half imo.... 0 -
Just what is it which encourages tax-exile owned papers like the Mail and the Telegraph to support Brexit????0
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Their readershipGardenwalker said:Just what is it which encourages tax-exile owned papers like the Mail and the Telegraph to support Brexit????
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Some of those Brexit Party candidates are special people who deserve to be on posters for remain0
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The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Bloody hell.
These umpires are more useless than Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:0 -
Behave, even Broad didn't see it/appeal for it, and he appeals for everything.ydoethur said:Bloody hell.
These umpires are more useless than Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
You mean another shareholder ?Theuniondivvie said:
When is he going to announce the first party member?rottenborough said:0 -
That's pretty libellous.Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Ooohh... One down.
I wish Air New Zealand had Sky Sports streamed0 -
That's presumably why it wasn't given.TheScreamingEagles said:
Behave, even Broad didn't see it/appeal for it, and he appeals for everything.ydoethur said:Bloody hell.
These umpires are more useless than Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
"Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has described Donald Trump's "go back" comments, aimed at four Democrat congresswomen, as "genius"."
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UUUGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEE wicket.0
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Calling a woman attractive isn't libellous.rcs1000 said:
That's pretty libellous.Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:0 -
I know it is a rumour but "nice" and Farage in the same paragraph don't go together.Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Actually, it was this morning.Yorkcity said:
I thought you said the other day you did not have sky ?ydoethur said:Bloody hell.
These umpires are more useless than Jeremy Corbyn.
I was going by he fact that this is a record for overturned decisions in a Test in England, and not all of the errors have been overturned.
Although I'm intrigued to see you implicitly agree that Corbyn is useless.0 -
The rumour has been widely reported, so I think you're OKrcs1000 said:
That's pretty libellous.Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215848/Farage-s-wife-s-fury-Nigel-s-aide-spent-late-night.html
But feel free to delete! Tis but a comment.0 -
lol. Every Test should be played at Edgbaston. Brilliant atmosphere.0
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I once met a woman on a plane who bought the DT but did not agree with their Brexit propoganda! I never mentioned I was anti-brexit by the way. Some people agree with it, some people are led by it and then some people ignore it! The Brexit upporting media tipped the balance in 2016 imo. It is their baby and they are partly reponsible for the political mess they keep pouring petrol on through their stupid insistance of Brexit at any cost...HYUFD said:
Their readershipGardenwalker said:Just what is it which encourages tax-exile owned papers like the Mail and the Telegraph to support Brexit????
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Of course, things will change. I remember people saying the same in the 80s and after '87 it was the end of the Labour Party. We should have won in '92 but people could still remember '79. The only reason '97 was such a landslide win was because it was 2 "wins", one on top of another.Foxy said:
I quit Labour in the early noughties. It was 10 years before I joined the LibDems, but as someone without intention of running for office it is possible to object to party policy. I am not keen on the cannabis policy for example, nor assisted dying but neither are dealbreakers.RochdalePioneers said:
I was fighting. Celebrated getting a local loon booted. But realised that every single day I was fighting with myself to look past my hatred of the party and what it was forcing me to be. Until last night, when I suddenly realised my "let's fight and win" hand was a pair of 4s.OllyT said:
Good for you. I left soon after Corbyn became leader and I have been arguing about it with a friend who has been a member for 40 years ever since. He claimed you had to stay and fight - had a text from him about a week ago saying he had resigned and joined the Lib Dems!! Sometimes you have to admit the game is over.RochdalePioneers said:I have resigned from the Labour Party
So I folded. Placed my cards on the table and stepped away. I don't regret at least trying to fight. But I also don't regret quitting. It's liberating.
There are good people in the Labour Party, but hard to seeing them regain control.
It goes around in circles. However, Iraq was a watershed. You can forgive a lot of things but not that. I would have wanted to keep Miliband but he could not take the insults.0 -
Yes, this is the one:Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:
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Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartlepool, Doncaster Central, Torfaen, Sunderland Central, Houghton and Sunderland South and Burnley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)0 -
This is not a hostile question - I am genuinely interested in the answer.RochdalePioneers said:I have resigned from the Labour Party
Binary choice - Con govt under Johnson or Lab govt under Corbyn - with a working majority, I mean, none of this hung parliament stuff, and assuming the election is next week
Which - gun to head - would you choose?0 -
You guess wrong as usual.IanB2 said:
I am guessing you’re someone who has never played an active role in frontline politics.Yorkcity said:
Hardly difficult.Byronic said:
You should applaud his honour and bravery in making that difficult decision.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.RochdalePioneers said:I have resigned from the Labour Party
All I know it must have been a difficult decision.
If every other Labour member had Rochdale's principles, they would do the same: then Corbyn and his horrible cabal would be toppled and replaced - and this country would once again have a decent, fighting Opposition, which we so desperately need.
Well done, Mr Pioneers.
If that is the major trauma in your life.
You are lucky.0 -
Why not ComRes ? You are still picking and choosing.HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartleppol, Doncaster North and Barnsley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)0 -
The football crowd there has to go somewhere. OK Villa has just crawled back up.Byronic said:lol. Every Test should be played at Edgbaston. Brilliant atmosphere.
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Comres had Labour 8% ahead of the LDs in the European Parliament elections and the LDs ended up 6% ahead of Laboursurbiton19 said:
Why not ComRes ? You are still picking and choosing.HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartleppol, Doncaster North and Barnsley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)0 -
Sure you can argue TBP might win in some places the Tories never will. But I was thinking of the Stoke-on-trent seats for instance, one of which is Tory with a small majority and the others from your views as possible Tory gains. Amber valley is another seat currently Tory but now has a BP candidate. I think this screws the Tories, it does not help them...HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartlepool, Doncaster Central, Torfaen, Sunderland Central, Houghton and Sunderland South and Burnley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)0 -
England have about as much chance of getting past Bancroft in this mood as our esteeemed Prime Minister has of constructing a coherent sentence.0
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Always have done as a leader.ydoethur said:
Actually, it was this morning.Yorkcity said:
I thought you said the other day you did not have sky ?ydoethur said:Bloody hell.
These umpires are more useless than Jeremy Corbyn.
I was going by he fact that this is a record for overturned decisions in a Test in England, and not all of the errors have been overturned.
Although I'm intrigued to see you implicitly agree that Corbyn is useless.
Voted for Andy Burnham in 2015 & Owen Smith in 2016.
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Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
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Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.0 -
He will never be allowed to forget that one.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
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Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
It will haunt him even into the commentary box - in fact, it makes it unlikely he will be allowed to join it.0 -
The Tories need a 2.82% swing from Labour to take Stoke on Trent North ( last week's Yougov had a 4% swing from Labour to the Tories since 2017 even with the Brexit Party on 13%).The_Taxman said:
Sure you can argue TBP might win in some places the Tories never will. But I was thinking of the Stoke-on-trent seats for instance, one of which is Tory with a small majority and the others from your views as possible Tory gains. Amber valley is another seat currently Tory but now has a BP candidate. I think this screws the Tories, it does not help them...HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartlepool, Doncaster Central, Torfaen, Sunderland Central, Houghton and Sunderland South and Burnley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)
If the Brexit Party were around 20% still as they were pre Boris becoming leader that would screw the Tories but if they are on 10 to 15% as they are now the Tories could still win a majority as they did in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/conservative
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/07/31/voting-intention-con-32-lab-22-lib-dem-19-brex-13-0 -
Not only is David Warner a cheat, he's a thug, lest we forget his assault on poor young Joe Root.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
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Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
His reputation is lower than snake testicles, he needs work harder on improving it.0 -
I thank you...0
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MAGNIFICENT, you are the anti DavidL.ydoethur said:England have about as much chance of getting past Bancroft in this mood as our esteeemed Prime Minister has of constructing a coherent sentence.
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The drawback is, Smith now comes out. And we really haven't been able to find a way past his bat for about five years...0
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O/T
"SQE: regulator ponders pure multiple choice to help minority candidates
The first stage of the solicitors’ ‘super-exam’ could be entirely multiple choice after a piloting exercise found that the written section could place members of ethnic minorities at a disadvantage, the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) has revealed."
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sqe-regulator-ponders-pure-multiple-choice-to-help-minority-candidates-/5071190.article0 -
I have Day 5 tickets....I don't think I will be using them.0
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Didn't he also try to duff up a Saffer before Tim Paine dragged him off?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not only is David Warner a cheat, he's a thug, lest we forget his assault on poor young Joe Root.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
Get Involved
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Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
His reputation is lower than snake testicles, he needs work harder on improving it.
Edit - confirmed, it was Quinton de Kock:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/david-warner-caught-by-cctv-in-off-field-row-during-first-test-in-south-africa0 -
No, you really will. Khawaja and Smith to put on 350 and Aussies to bowl us out in the last hour.FrancisUrquhart said:I have Day 5 tickets....I don't think I will be using them.
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You are still picking and choosing to support your propaganda.HYUFD said:
Comres had Labour 8% ahead of the LDs in the European Parliament elections and the LDs ended up 6% ahead of Laboursurbiton19 said:
Why not ComRes ? You are still picking and choosing.HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartleppol, Doncaster North and Barnsley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)0 -
62% of the wealthiest Britons with a household income over £100 000 a year expect a recession and only 12% have confidence in the economy, though 33% still have confidence in their personal finances.
57% of the wealthy are concerned about climate change but only 19% about immigration
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/economy/articles-reports/2019/08/02/majority-britains-wealthy-expect-recession0 -
I can see Trump is very popular at Edgbaston.0
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Wasn't Paine, but some other Aussie cheats.ydoethur said:
Didn't he also try to duff up a Saffer before Tim Paine dragged him off?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not only is David Warner a cheat, he's a thug, lest we forget his assault on poor young Joe Root.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
Get Involved
#bbccricket
Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
His reputation is lower than snake testicles, he needs work harder on improving it.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/david-warner-caught-by-cctv-in-off-field-row-during-first-test-in-south-africa0 -
Also: the weather. Showers are forecast tomorrow and Monday.ydoethur said:
No, you really will. Khawaja and Smith to put on 350 and Aussies to bowl us out in the last hour.FrancisUrquhart said:I have Day 5 tickets....I don't think I will be using them.
So it could easily drag into Day 5...please God it doesn't become a washout and a draw.
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I was thinking it was brave of Paine, who is hardly Mr Muscle, to take on Warner, but it seems he was the one trying to restore calm.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wasn't Paine, but some other Aussie cheats.ydoethur said:
Didn't he also try to duff up a Saffer before Tim Paine dragged him off?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not only is David Warner a cheat, he's a thug, lest we forget his assault on poor young Joe Root.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
Get Involved
#bbccricket
Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
His reputation is lower than snake testicles, he needs work harder on improving it.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/david-warner-caught-by-cctv-in-off-field-row-during-first-test-in-south-africa0 -
38% don't ? So there are stupid people earning more than 100k. I expected that but not 38%.HYUFD said:62% of the wealthiest Britons with a household income over £100 000 a year expect a recession and only 12% have confidence in the economy, though 33% still have confidence in their personal finances
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/economy/articles-reports/2019/08/02/majority-britains-wealthy-expect-recession0 -
It's raining here right now, but we're downwind of Edgbaston. So I don't think it will be a problem right now.Byronic said:
Also: the weather. Showers are forecast tomorrow and Monday.ydoethur said:
No, you really will. Khawaja and Smith to put on 350 and Aussies to bowl us out in the last hour.FrancisUrquhart said:I have Day 5 tickets....I don't think I will be using them.
So it could easily drag into Day 5...please God it doesn't become a washout and a draw.
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Actually, that unhappy weather forecast might offer VALUE
If the BBC weather-site is right we will lose afternoon and evening sessions tomorrow, and the morning session on Monday.
That's probably not enough time to conclude the game.
A draw is 22/1 right now.
https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket0 -
Plus one big Aussie partnership. vALUE.Byronic said:Actually, that unhappy weather forecast might offer VALUE
If the BBC weather-site is right we will lose afternoon and evening sessions tomorrow, and the morning session on Monday.
That's probably not enough time to conclude the game.
A draw is 22/1 right now.
https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket0 -
In fact he did walk in the 1st innings - LBW - and he wasn't out.Theuniondivvie said:Jeez, there ain't half some sanctimonious bullshit being generated. As for 'all would have been forgiven', what rubbish.
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Daniel S:
David Warner has had two chances to show he meant what he said about restoring the damage he'd done to his country's reputation. If he'd walked on either occasion, all would have been forgiven and the stewards could stop confiscating sandpaper. But he didn't.
Odd. Was he virtue signalling?0 -
Cricviz give Ozzies only 16% chance...ridiculous.0
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Tice and Oakeshott, Farage and Phillips, Boris and Carrie.Foxy said:
Yes, this is the one:Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:
https://twitter.com/ianboogiebrown/status/1157244832361984000?s=19
I thought Brexiters were supposed to prefer holidaying in Britain rather than excursions abroad.0 -
These two, who are after all Australia's best batsmen, looking worryingly comfortable.0
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This is a genuine question rather than a dig but isn't a precise understanding and ability to use the English language rather fundamental to the practice of law?AndyJS said:O/T
"SQE: regulator ponders pure multiple choice to help minority candidates
The first stage of the solicitors’ ‘super-exam’ could be entirely multiple choice after a piloting exercise found that the written section could place members of ethnic minorities at a disadvantage, the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) has revealed."
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sqe-regulator-ponders-pure-multiple-choice-to-help-minority-candidates-/5071190.article1 -
As long as they can get their full English and meat and 2 veg..Gardenwalker said:
Tice and Oakeshott, Farage and Phillips, Boris and Carrie.Foxy said:
Yes, this is the one:Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:
https://twitter.com/ianboogiebrown/status/1157244832361984000?s=19
I thought Brexiters were supposed to prefer holidaying in Britain rather than excursions abroad.0 -
Pretty sure I moved the market. Odds against a draw collapsing.0
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New Fread....0
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Sooner or later, there's always a recession. We've had a decade of growth.surbiton19 said:
38% don't ? So there are stupid people earning more than 100k. I expected that but not 38%.HYUFD said:62% of the wealthiest Britons with a household income over £100 000 a year expect a recession and only 12% have confidence in the economy, though 33% still have confidence in their personal finances
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/economy/articles-reports/2019/08/02/majority-britains-wealthy-expect-recession0 -
Last week's Yougov showed a 3.75% swing to the Tories from Labour. The most recent Comres poll shows a 1.7% swing to Labour from the Tories.HYUFD said:
The Tories need a 2.82% swing from Labour to take Stoke on Trent North ( last week's Yougov had a 4% swing from Labour to the Tories since 2017 even with the Brexit Party on 13%).The_Taxman said:
Sure you can argue TBP might win in some places the Tories never will. But I was thinking of the Stoke-on-trent seats for instance, one of which is Tory with a small majority and the others from your views as possible Tory gains. Amber valley is another seat currently Tory but now has a BP candidate. I think this screws the Tories, it does not help them...HYUFD said:
Not really, on current polls including the Tories and Brexit Party like Yougov and Mori many of those marginal seats would still fall to the Tories even with a Brexit Party candidate.The_Taxman said:
I notice the seats are mostly Leave supporting areas. A mix of seats, HYUFD will be dissapointed as the sort of seats he claims Boris will win off Labour now have TBP candidates, which will obviously split the Brexiteer vote! Dont think Boris will be getting an overall majority with this development!Gardenwalker said:
I notice too the Brexit Party have already picked candidates for seats like Hartlepool, Doncaster Central, Torfaen, Sunderland Central, Houghton and Sunderland South and Burnley the Tories could never win but the Brexit Party could (helped by Tory tactical voting perhaps)
If the Brexit Party were around 20% still as they were pre Boris becoming leader that would screw the Tories but if they are on 10 to 15% as they are now the Tories could still win a majority as they did in 2015 even with UKIP on 12%
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/conservative
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/07/31/voting-intention-con-32-lab-22-lib-dem-19-brex-13-0 -
MET has completely different one then. 50% chance of rain around 9am - 11am - then fine all day.Byronic said:Actually, that unhappy weather forecast might offer VALUE
If the BBC weather-site is right we will lose afternoon and evening sessions tomorrow, and the morning session on Monday.
That's probably not enough time to conclude the game.
A draw is 22/1 right now.
https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket0 -
Drain the swamp.Gardenwalker said:
Tice and Oakeshott, Farage and Phillips, Boris and Carrie.Foxy said:
Yes, this is the one:Byronic said:
The nice lady top row second left is Alexandra Phillips MEP. Really quite attractive. She is rumoured to have had a liaison with Farage.Gardenwalker said:
https://twitter.com/ianboogiebrown/status/1157244832361984000?s=19
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Two solid hours - and that wasn't even the whole lawn! I'm knackered.SandyRentool said:Not raining here yet.
Which means I don't have an excuse for not mowing the lawn.
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I was thinking about going on Monday.FrancisUrquhart said:I have Day 5 tickets....I don't think I will be using them.
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