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FrancisUrquhart said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Convicts cheating again...

Steve Smith is fairly blatantly the man setting the field for Australia at the moment. He is still banned by Cricket Australia from holding a leadership position for another year.

If he's going to set them so the number 10 can put in any half century stand, let's not complain.

Lock him up, lock him up....

If Priti Patel wants to get my support, and the support of the country, she should deport the cheat Steve Smith now.

What is the point of Tim Paine?

TheScreamingEagles said:

What is the point of Tim Paine?

He's a wicked keeper.

What this really is doing is putting Bairstow, Butler, Ali, the entire Australian top order except Smith and to a lesser extent Roy and Denly in perspective.

All they've done is knock the ball into gaps and they've out on a nice 50 at three an over.

Try to thrash it around and you get out and look a fool.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Like England miss Archer to mop up the tail, Ozzies miss Starc. Broad would be pooping his pants at the prospect of 95mph Starc bouncers and yorkers.

Starc's average is a bit shit since the Cape Town test, I cannot imagine why his average has increased.

TheScreamingEagles said:

What is the point of Tim Paine?

He's a captain who won't encourage a young player to cheat. Seems like an asset for most teams.

DougSeal said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Byronic said:

DougSeal said:

Byronic said:

alex. said:

So in rapid succession we’ve survived the Blitz and are looking rapidly forward to the Reformation. Where’s it going to end? The Norman Conquest?

The Reformation is actually a very good analogy for Brexit, in multiple ways.

I envisage a time, quite soon, when rich, recusant Remainer families will have priest holes behind false walls, where they will hide Jolyon Maugham, or Anna Soubry.

So when do we get our Marian reaction followed by an Elizabethan compromise?

Quite soon after Liam Fox's Book of Martyrs.

Aren't we looking at King Charles III before too long? Must mean something, although I gather he's given up the mistress habit.
Unless of course, your Jack W when he'll be Charles IV!

Apparently he wants to do what his grandfather did - call himself George VII to avoid any embarrassing parallels.

His grandfather was Bert, wasn't he?

Albert Frederick Arthur George. Bertie to friends and family, took the regnal name George.

Charles is Charles Phillip Arthur George.

He could do worse than Charles II though. He had a reasonably good record in reconciling a deeply divided Kingdom.

And shagging everything with a vagina.

And, of course, the last king to prorogue Parliament and rule directly, although people often forget that.

And leaving a major succession crisis that erupted into civil war in two years and revolution followed by war in Ireland in three.

Apart from that, he was a dazzling success.

(Fun fact - if he becomes King, William will be the first descendant of Charles II to be King.)

TBF the major succession crisis wasn’t his fault.

His persistent refusal to divorce his queen and marry somebody who could have children, or use the Henry VIII precedent to nominate Monmouth as his heir could be seen as an unfortunate mistake.

He must have known James would be an impossible choice as King, for all James' qualities.

Byronic said:

But the Lib Dems really will deliver a 2nd referendum, and really will campaign hard for Remain, if they ever get a sniff of power.

For millions of Brits, that is all that matters, all that will matter, for years to come.

Yes, but there you immediately run into another LibDem ambiguity. What if we have in fact withdrawn on October 31. Is LibDem policy to reapply?

I have no clue. Do you? Have they even discussed it?

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.

All I know it must have been a difficult decision.

NickPalmer said:

Byronic said:

But the Lib Dems really will deliver a 2nd referendum, and really will campaign hard for Remain, if they ever get a sniff of power.

For millions of Brits, that is all that matters, all that will matter, for years to come.

Yes, but there you immediately run into another LibDem ambiguity. What if we have in fact withdrawn on October 31. Is LibDem policy to reapply?

I have no clue. Do you? Have they even discussed it?

I suspect post Brexit the LDs would initially apply to rejoin the single market and use that as a springboard to rejoin the EU if public opinion moved in that direction

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

ydoethur said:

DougSeal said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Byronic said:

DougSeal said:

Byronic said:

alex. said:

So in rapid succession we’ve survived the Blitz and are looking rapidly forward to the Reformation. Where’s it going to end? The Norman Conquest?

The Reformation is actually a very good analogy for Brexit, in multiple ways.

I envisage a time, quite soon, when rich, recusant Remainer families will have priest holes behind false walls, where they will hide Jolyon Maugham, or Anna Soubry.

So when do we get our Marian reaction followed by an Elizabethan compromise?

Quite soon after Liam Fox's Book of Martyrs.

Aren't we looking at King Charles III before too long? Must mean something, although I gather he's given up the mistress habit.
Unless of course, your Jack W when he'll be Charles IV!

Apparently he wants to do what his grandfather did - call himself George VII to avoid any embarrassing parallels.

His grandfather was Bert, wasn't he?

Albert Frederick Arthur George. Bertie to friends and family, took the regnal name George.

Charles is Charles Phillip Arthur George.

He could do worse than Charles II though. He had a reasonably good record in reconciling a deeply divided Kingdom.

And shagging everything with a vagina.

And, of course, the last king to prorogue Parliament and rule directly, although people often forget that.

And leaving a major succession crisis that erupted into civil war in two years and revolution followed by war in Ireland in three.

Apart from that, he was a dazzling success.

(Fun fact - if he becomes King, William will be the first descendant of Charles II to be King.)

TBF the major succession crisis wasn’t his fault.

His persistent refusal to divorce his queen and marry somebody who could have children, or use the Henry VIII precedent to nominate Monmouth as his heir could be seen as an unfortunate mistake.

He must have known James would be an impossible choice as King, for all James' qualities.

Thanks to James trying to reimpose Catholicism and being deposed we then had the Jacobite rebellions in favour of his son and grandson which developed after the arrival of the Hanoverians and the Act of Union which began the Scottish nationalist movement.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP owe a lot to James IInd

This thread is like the one David Herdson wrote a few years back, regarding that Ed Milliband would lose his seat in Doncaster.

I see the captain has brought himself on to bowl.

NickPalmer said:

Byronic said:

But the Lib Dems really will deliver a 2nd referendum, and really will campaign hard for Remain, if they ever get a sniff of power.

For millions of Brits, that is all that matters, all that will matter, for years to come.

Yes, but there you immediately run into another LibDem ambiguity. What if we have in fact withdrawn on October 31. Is LibDem policy to reapply?

I have no clue. Do you? Have they even discussed it?

Seriously, Nick, there are perhaps people in this world who can accuse the Lib Dems of an ambiguous Brexit policy.

But not Corbyn-supporting Labour activists. Take the mote out of thine own eye, etc. etc.

NickPalmer said:

Byronic said:

But the Lib Dems really will deliver a 2nd referendum, and really will campaign hard for Remain, if they ever get a sniff of power.

For millions of Brits, that is all that matters, all that will matter, for years to come.

Yes, but there you immediately run into another LibDem ambiguity. What if we have in fact withdrawn on October 31. Is LibDem policy to reapply?

I have no clue. Do you? Have they even discussed it?

That’s picking at hairs, though, isn’t it? You know this already.

They are a pro-EU party and will be looking for an opportunity to rejoin. How and when that opportunity might arise will depend heavily upon the nature and the consequences of our departure, so it is unrealistic to expect a detailed plan right now.

How about you focus on Labour’s problem of apparently being opposed to a Tory managed Brexit but in favour of a Labour managed one?

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.

All I know it must have been a difficult decision.

You should applaud his honour and bravery in making that difficult decision.

If every other Labour member had Rochdale's principles, they would do the same: then Corbyn and his horrible cabal would be toppled and replaced - and this country would once again have a decent, fighting Opposition, which we so desperately need.

Well done, Mr Pioneers.

I have been deeply unhappy for a few months now. But finding excuses as to why I should keep going, despite that that I do not want a Corbyn government. So a few things tipped me over. An argument about a closed CLP Facebook group which had turned into a hatefest before being locked down. We discussed a proposal to reopen the group, which turned into two camps utterly opposed to each other's recollection of why it was a hatefest.

And then yet more AS training. Which confirmed that according to his own published AS materials Corbyn is an anti-semite. And I had this blissful epiphany sitting there in the CLP meeting that I didn't want to be there and didn't care about what they were on about.

I will vote for Paul Williams at the general election as he is a good MP. But am now free to think and have my own opinions and not justify myself to the cult

ydoethur said:

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.

All I know it must have been a difficult decision.

You should applaud his honour and bravery in making that difficult decision.

If every other Labour member had Rochdale's principles, they would do the same: then Corbyn and his horrible cabal would be toppled and replaced - and this country would once again have a decent, fighting Opposition, which we so desperately need.

Well done, Mr Pioneers.

If every Labour member opposed to Corbyn left, surely that would make it less likely he'd be toppled?

They’d be represented by a larger party on the Commons, though.

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm sorry to hear that, but of course I respect your decision.

It can't have been an easy decision to make, but I hope you feel unburdened now that you have done it.

You'll always be Labour inside. Nobody can take away your values.

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.

All I know it must have been a difficult decision.

You should applaud his honour and bravery in making that difficult decision.

If every other Labour member had Rochdale's principles, they would do the same: then Corbyn and his horrible cabal would be toppled and replaced - and this country would once again have a decent, fighting Opposition, which we so desperately need.

Well done, Mr Pioneers.

It's not Corbyn, or even Corbyn and his cabal, so much as the readmission of Militant and other assorted trots that Kinnock threw out.

El_Capitano said:

NickPalmer said:

Byronic said:

But the Lib Dems really will deliver a 2nd referendum, and really will campaign hard for Remain, if they ever get a sniff of power.

For millions of Brits, that is all that matters, all that will matter, for years to come.

Yes, but there you immediately run into another LibDem ambiguity. What if we have in fact withdrawn on October 31. Is LibDem policy to reapply?

I have no clue. Do you? Have they even discussed it?

Seriously, Nick, there are perhaps people in this world who can accuse the Lib Dems of an ambiguous Brexit policy.

But not Corbyn-supporting Labour activists. Take the mote out of thine own eye, etc. etc.

I think it's fair enough not to have a fixed public policy on matters which are future contingents, like would we reapply. The poor old general public are confused enough trying to keep up with Labour contortions and Tory divisions What would not be sensible would be not to have a process of internal discussion now for when/if it arises.

I think it will in fact depend both on terms of withdrawal and how it works out in practice. As these are questions involving a good number of unknowns it' is best left for now.

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

As someone who spent a year outside of the LibDems last year, for the first time since my schooldays, I have sympathy with your position. There’s no need to do anything more in haste; for a long term party member there’s a freedom that comes from suddenly being a customer with choice rather than a fan with obligations, which you will probably enjoy. Voting in any election when you don’t just look for the party logo, but can weigh up the candidate profiles and their manifestos, is liberating. Make the most of it!

In my case I considered the local Green Party and I considered TIG when it launched, and signed up as one of their early supporters. In the event I decided the Greens weren’t for me (although I would happily back them in an alliance, which may well arrive round my way) and TIG crashed and burned. I am now back within the LibDems and very happy with the outcome of my year of intellectual independence.

Whether you return to Labour or find a new more fulfilling political home, time will tell. Meanwhile enjoy the chance to do some free thinking.

It's a familiar refrain. My values haven't changed, but the party has. The final line of Clause 4 speaks of "a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect". That is a sad joke when you look at what the party has now become

When will this bloody cricket ever end? It seems to be on every day.

Byronic said:

Bollocks.

To Brexit?

Not raining here yet.

Which means I don't have an excuse for not mowing the lawn.

Laters...

IanB2 said:

When will this bloody cricket ever end? It seems to be on every day.

It's only just begun...

Yorkcity said:

Byronic said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or feel sorry for you.

All I know it must have been a difficult decision.

You should applaud his honour and bravery in making that difficult decision.

If every other Labour member had Rochdale's principles, they would do the same: then Corbyn and his horrible cabal would be toppled and replaced - and this country would once again have a decent, fighting Opposition, which we so desperately need.

Well done, Mr Pioneers.

Hardly difficult.
If that is the major trauma in your life.
You are lucky.

I am guessing you’re someone who has never played an active role in frontline politics.

The_Taxman said:

IanB2 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

As someone who spent a year outside of the LibDems last year, for the first time since my schooldays, I have sympathy with your position. There’s no need to do anything more in haste; for a long term party member there’s a freedom that comes from suddenly being a customer with choice rather than a fan with obligations, which you will probably enjoy. Voting in any election when you don’t just look for the party logo, but can weigh up the candidate profiles and their manifestos, is liberating. Make the most of it!

In my case I considered the local Green Party and I considered TIG when it launched, and signed up as one of their early supporters. In the event I decided the Greens weren’t for me (although I would happily back them in an alliance, which may well arrive round my way) and TIG crashed and burned. I am now back within the LibDems and very happy with the outcome of my year of intellectual independence.

Whether you return to Labour or find a new more fulfilling political home, time will tell. Meanwhile enjoy the chance to do some free thinking.

+1
Sound advice! You can still be interested in politics but not actually be a member. Not having to turn a blind eye to stupid ideas, policies or party problems gives an independent minded person moral superiority!

It's very nice to be able to say Johnson, Corbyn and Farage are all thick, useless and incompetent.

Jimmy certianly won't be doing any bowling.

I loathe this habit of not taking runs. Anderson going to be facing the next over anyway, so TAKING THE FRICKIN RUNS.

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

Good for you. I left soon after Corbyn became leader and I have been arguing about it with a friend who has been a member for 40 years ever since. He claimed you had to stay and fight - had a text from him about a week ago saying he had resigned and joined the Lib Dems!! Sometimes you have to admit the game is over.

Byronic said:

ydoethur said:

The_Taxman said:

IanB2 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

As someone who spent a year outside of the LibDems last year, for the first time since my schooldays, I have sympathy with your position. There’s no need to do anything more in haste; for a long term party member there’s a freedom that comes from suddenly being a customer with choice rather than a fan with obligations, which you will probably enjoy. Voting in any election when you don’t just look for the party logo, but can weigh up the candidate profiles and their manifestos, is liberating. Make the most of it!

In my case I considered the local Green Party and I considered TIG when it launched, and signed up as one of their early supporters. In the event I decided the Greens weren’t for me (although I would happily back them in an alliance, which may well arrive round my way) and TIG crashed and burned. I am now back within the LibDems and very happy with the outcome of my year of intellectual independence.

Whether you return to Labour or find a new more fulfilling political home, time will tell. Meanwhile enjoy the chance to do some free thinking.

+1
Sound advice! You can still be interested in politics but not actually be a member. Not having to turn a blind eye to stupid ideas, policies or party problems gives an independent minded person moral superiority!

It's very nice to be able to say Johnson, Corbyn and Farage are all thick, useless and incompetent.

Neither Johnson nor Farage are thick. Farage is arguably a political genius, and the most influential politician of our time. Though obviously hated by many.

I think Farage is (or was) the right man, in the right place, rather than a political (or actual) genius.

Byronic said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jimmy certianly won't be doing any bowling.

The odds against an Australian victory have just come in quite dramatically, as Anderson's pain became obvious in the last few minutes. They were around 5/1, now nearer 3/1

Cricviz has convicts with only 14% chance.

I have long had a poor view of their model.

rcs1000 said:

Byronic said:

ydoethur said:

The_Taxman said:

IanB2 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I have resigned from the Labour Party

As someone who spent a year outside of the LibDems last year, for the first time since my schooldays, I have sympathy with your position. There’s no need to do anything more in haste; for a long term party member there’s a freedom that comes from suddenly being a customer with choice rather than a fan with obligations, which you will probably enjoy. Voting in any election when you don’t just look for the party logo, but can weigh up the candidate profiles and their manifestos, is liberating. Make the most of it!

In my case I considered the local Green Party and I considered TIG when it launched, and signed up as one of their early supporters. In the event I decided the Greens weren’t for me (although I would happily back them in an alliance, which may well arrive round my way) and TIG crashed and burned. I am now back within the LibDems and very happy with the outcome of my year of intellectual independence.

Whether you return to Labour or find a new more fulfilling political home, time will tell. Meanwhile enjoy the chance to do some free thinking.

+1
Sound advice! You can still be interested in politics but not actually be a member. Not having to turn a blind eye to stupid ideas, policies or party problems gives an independent minded person moral superiority!

It's very nice to be able to say Johnson, Corbyn and Farage are all thick, useless and incompetent.

Neither Johnson nor Farage are thick. Farage is arguably a political genius, and the most influential politician of our time. Though obviously hated by many.

I think Farage is (or was) the right man, in the right place, rather than a political (or actual) genius.

Agreed. Had the EU expansion of 2004 not happened, then Euroscepticism would have remained a fringe interest.

ydoethur said:

England lead by 90.

But can they have the Aussies five down before parity?

I have to say I doubt it.

I have no idea how they are going to get Steve Smith out.

dixiedean said:

beentheredonethat said:

dixiedean said:

beentheredonethat said:

OldKingCole said:

beentheredonethat said:

Having said that, the glazers are a nightmare so the premier league are no better

At least the team's wages have been paid!

As long as they are creaming off the top they will be but that club is in so much debt it is untrue

That was at the root of Bolton's problems. Massive debt, easily serviceable whilst in the PL...

Man Utd dropped out in the 70’s. Not inconceivable it could happen again. Then something may get done

Dropping out is fine, as long as you get back before the parachute money ends, as Newcastle and West Ham have proved more than once. It is if you don't, and, even worse, fall into the third a la Leeds. Now Bolton. Nowt will get done.

I quite enjoyed Leicester's season in League One, just a few years ago. We have great owners.

Far worse was administration in 2002. We nearly ceased to be.

Good times are back, and a good transfer season for us. A strong performance in the pre season friendly last night against Atalanta.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1157625465567371266

Mr. Borough, the Nader Party does indeed look up and running.

Edited extra bit: anyone got any view on Age of Wonders: Planetfall?

Being a console peasant I haven't played any of the other titles on PC, but it looks pretty good.

The slavers human resource specialists The Syndicate look interesting.

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1157625465567371266

When is he going to announce the first party member?

OblitusSumMe said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1157625465567371266

49?
Has Farage chosen a seat yet, or is he chicken?

He is currently leader of the largest single party in the European Parliament, unless it was Clacton (UKIP's only seat in 2015) I doubt he would bother

dixiedean said:

IanB2 said:

When will this bloody cricket ever end? It seems to be on every day.

It's only just begun...

This is the first Test in the World Test Championship. The final starts on the 10th June 2021. I am so excited!

Theuniondivvie said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1157625465567371266

When is he going to announce the first party member?

In the immortal words of Chesney Hawkes "I am the one and only."

RochdalePioneers said:

It's a familiar refrain. My values haven't changed, but the party has. The final line of Clause 4 speaks of "a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect". That is a sad joke when you look at what the party has now become

Having been a member of my party (in an earlier form) for nearly 40 years, I realise how deeply painful and difficult it must have been for you to sever your ties but you are entirely correct.

For all the snide comments directed from some on here, the Labour Party has made a great contribution to this country for which it deserves great credit. I'm too young to have been aware of the Wilson Government from 1964 to 1970 but that seems to me to have been a modern forward thinking administration and socially liberal too.

As a Liberal, I welcomed a few Labour defectors to the SDP when the Alliance came along. They were, without exception, caring individuals with whom it was an honour to work and pound the streets. I produced my first leaflets with the help of an ex-Labour member who knew his way round a lithograph having worked in the print industry.

I earnestly hope the Labour Party comes back to you so you can go back to it and I think it will happen.