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I'm speechless. It's a black comedy.
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Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace0 -
Was IDS a failure?0
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That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).0
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oh for Heavens sake. Brexit really has driven some people mad.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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I don't think it was very obvious for Macmillan and Douglas - Home. Wilson became PM in mid-October 1964 and Labour lost the supposedly safe seat of Leyton at the end of January 1965 in a by election.Gaz said:Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).
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Sorry to be out of the country with all the excitement at the moment. But I am just sailing out of St Petersburg were it is 25C. Happy enough with Swinson as party leader but dreading a Johnson government. Can it still be prevented?0
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We'd be no closer to a Brexit solution had Rory Stewart been made leader either.0
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It could have, if parliament had voted through the WA.slade said:Sorry to be out of the country with all the excitement at the moment. But I am just sailing out of St Petersburg were it is 25C. Happy enough with Swinson as party leader but dreading a Johnson government. Can it still be prevented?
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Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.JBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)0
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That never goes badly. Residual Labour loyalty will come back.Scott_P said:0 -
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.justin124 said:
Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.JBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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Boris Johnson Is About to Collide With Reality
He has thrived on theatrics. As prime minister, he faces Brexit’s final act.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/opinion/boris-johnson-elected-brexit.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage0 -
It depends on the Brexit supporting media, the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Daily Express. If these newspapers stop their support for Farage and Brexit then maybe Boris will have some space. But these newspapers have been instrumental in ousting TM by giving the Brexit party acres of publicity and willing Tory members and voters to back BP in the European elections. Boris is the Brexit supporting media's PM, they can take away as much as they give...Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October.Scott_P said:
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Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.
You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.2 -
If BJ crashes and burns, could the Tories get away with imposing yet another PM on the electorate without a GE?0
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Well, rural_voter sure don't live anywhere rural.
The closest Majestic Wines to me are 2 and 1/2 hours drive away in Cardiff or Swansea.
My nearest towns are probably Ludlow, Leominster or Knighton and there's a Majestic in Hereford. I don't know where you are ... possibly in the wilds of Powys.0 -
The Speaker is not going to let the government run down the clock.
What is Bercow going to do to stop it?1 -
No - I do, however, share the opinion of many Conservatives that he is a thoroughly malign and disreputable human being.JBriskinindyref2 said:
So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.justin124 said:
Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.JBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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We're making it very hard for him to surprise on the downside, knowing that he can't resist a challenge.MarqueeMark said:Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.
You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.0 -
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)Stark_Dawning said:
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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I dunno, it might be Act 2 of 3. Act 3 could be after Johnson inevitably - I think - extends, the govt falls, Con-DUP can't quite get a majority and Corbyn is left 'holding the baby' but needing C&S from SNP, L.Dem and if he bows to their demands (hopefully for a confirmatory referendum *and* PR) probably getting help from PC and Green too.rottenborough said:Boris Johnson Is About to Collide With Reality
He has thrived on theatrics. As prime minister, he faces Brexit’s final act.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/opinion/boris-johnson-elected-brexit.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage0 -
Unfortunately there is no compromise across party lines after MPs rejected the Withdrawal Agreement.
The vast majority of Tory and Brexit Party voters now back No Deal in October over Revoke, the vast majority of Labour and LD voters back Revoke or extension and EUref2 over No Deal.
After May goes we are heading for a final showdown, Brexit Deal or No Deal with a Boris majority or a Tory and Brexit Party coalition or Revoke or extension and EUref2 with Labour, the LDs and SNP, perhaps with Swinson even giving the LDs an outside chance of overtaking Labour as the main party for Remain voters0 -
Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair both had unpopular policies associated with them personally rather than with their parties: the poll tax and Iraq respectively.Gaz said:Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).
When they resigned, they took the toxicity with them, thus gifting their successors, John Major and Gordon Brown, a natural lift in the polls.
Does this apply to Theresa May? I'm not sure it does. Do voters see her as malign or just not very good?0 -
Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/11536981176168407090 -
“They call him Britain (sic) Trump. And people are saying that’s a good thing. They like me over there.”
Proud now, HYUFD ?0 -
I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.GIN1138 said:
Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)Stark_Dawning said:
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.0 -
I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.0
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Time will tell.The_Taxman said:
I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.GIN1138 said:
Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)Stark_Dawning said:
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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Boris could win a majority on a 10% lower voteshare than May if Remainers divide equally between the LDs and Labour and if he wins back many Brexit Party votersThe_Taxman said:
I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.GIN1138 said:
Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)Stark_Dawning said:
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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They will now.Theuniondivvie said:Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/11536981176168407090 -
Nicola has "profound concerns" about Boris apparently.
Who knew?0 -
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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I for one intend to refer to him as Britain Trump from now on.Nigelb said:
They will now.Theuniondivvie said:Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/11536981176168407091 -
The absence of the government crest was the first sign May was going to call an election...The_Taxman said:
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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Who said this?The_Taxman said:
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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His team does not fear the vote against no deal. If you listen carefully all the Boris circle and even Andrew Mitchell said it on Sky. Boris may well come back with multiple deals.OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
They will claim the EI mini deals are a deal. Let the legal eagles argue.0 -
Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?glw said:https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.0 -
Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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He will look pretty shit if he could not do as well as TM! Just saying...GIN1138 said:
Time will tell.The_Taxman said:
I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.GIN1138 said:
Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)Stark_Dawning said:
I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.GIN1138 said:
That's what you think? Or that's what you hope?Stark_Dawning said:My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
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His bigly brain is rotting, and yes he really did say it twice.Chris said:
Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?glw said:https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.0 -
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153700900525019136?s=20glw said:https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.0 -
By the end of his second term.Chris said:
Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?glw said:https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.
Which will be about the start of Boris's.....0 -
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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He fears it might obscure his magnificence ?The_Taxman said:
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.malcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
Not undeserved.
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None, just like Gordon Brown. He wants power but does not really know what he wants to do with it...Danny565 said:
Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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I fear Brisket has caught HYFUD syndrome and has gone mental unionist today. He seems to be having a meltdown over the SNP.justin124 said:
No - I do, however, share the opinion of many Conservatives that he is a thoroughly malign and disreputable human being.JBriskinindyref2 said:
So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.justin124 said:
Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.JBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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Is it because he was such a master-planner during his handling of Brexit as foreign secretary?Danny565 said:
Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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Village idiot escaped alertJBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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MarqueeMark said:
Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.
You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.MarqueeMark said:Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.
You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.
Brexit does seem, almost literally, to have driven some people nearly insane.
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It was on TV today. I was surprised...RobD said:
Who said this?The_Taxman said:
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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LOL Malky's been trolled
Problem, Malky?0 -
That's a very good question. If he does, he's hiding it jolly well.Danny565 said:
Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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Nigelb said:
A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.malcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
Not undeserved.
malcolmg is a case in point of someone being driven quite mad by Brexit....
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May deliberately removed any responsibility for Brexit from the FO. A lot of FO staff moved to DexEU.Chris said:
Is it because he was such a master-planner during his handling of Brexit as foreign secretary?Danny565 said:
Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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I am in a good mood Nigel.Nigelb said:
A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.malcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
Not undeserved.1 -
Agree with header that the next leader will be a Leaver.
On the reasonable assumption that the Boris tenure will end in tears the next leader will also be someone who has not backed him this time. Has opposed him even.
Being female will no longer be a disadvantage when following a male clown and of course age will be key - we should be looking at somebody who is presently in their forties or early fifties.
It all spells Penny Mordaunt.
I will be bidding on betfair for her at 20 shortly - so if anybody who disagrees with me fancies laying at that? ...0 -
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.GIN1138 said:
Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October.Scott_P said:
Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.
Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.0 -
The word is "bodgering" I think.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steamingJBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
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I don’t know about ‘very, very easy’, but otherwise I agree with you.MarqueeMark said:Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.
You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.
Expectations are nil, and it is certainly not utterly impossible he finds some way to thread the needle.
I wouldn’t even be disappointed in the unlikely event of that happening.
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Never a problem for me BrisketJBriskinindyref2 said:LOL Malky's been trolled
Problem, Malky?0 -
The electorate will not stand, sit or lie down for another internal Conservative pm election. There will have to be a GE. Bets on October?0
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And still have a good shot at winning, no doubt.Chris said:
Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?glw said:https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848
Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.0 -
Evening Malc.malcolmg said:
Village idiot escaped alertJBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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No it's a new campaign I've just started for unionist Scots. We will be drinking Carling from now, as opposed to the ubiquitous Tennents for the duration of the #indyref2 campaign. It's got a memorable hashtag-malcolmg said:
Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steamingJBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
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Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20
Even easier in government.
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The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomedScrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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Now we have a telepathic Medical expert psychiatrist diagnosing on PB.basicbridge said:Nigelb said:
A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.malcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
Not undeserved.
malcolmg is a case in point of someone being driven quite mad by Brexit....
How many more batshit crazy people will come out of the woodwork.0 -
Lefty economists think it's a great idea, they've even coined the acronym MMT for it. Disappointingly, this stands for 'Modern Monetary Theory' rather than 'Magic Money Tree', but the two are the same thing.Nigelb said:
Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20
Even easier in government.1 -
Evening Gin , hope all is well with you, exciting times.GIN1138 said:
Evening Malc.malcolmg said:
Village idiot escaped alertJBriskinindyref2 said:
The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.justin124 said:
That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
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The electorate don't figure into whether we will have one in the slightest, whether they care or not they have no input. I for one don't have any particular issue with PMs switching without an election, that's a consequence of our system of government and if the public don't like it they will eventually get a chance to show it. The reason we will likely get such an early GE is because of being unable to get anything passed in the Commons, or a VONC.Marx said:The electorate will not stand, sit or lie down for another internal Conservative pm election. There will have to be a GE. Bets on October?
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I know the Tories typically despatch failed leaders, but getting Boris as Loto very early doors might not be a bad Tory tactic, in much the same way as David Herdson suggested letting Labour have a go, which iirc was one of his lines after GE 2017.0
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Seems like that is not a coincidence.Richard_Nabavi said:
Lefty economists think it's a great idea, they've even coined the acronym MMT for it. Disappointingly, this stands for 'Modern Monetary Theory' rather than 'Magic Money Tree', but the two are the same thing.Nigelb said:
Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20
Even easier in government.0 -
Carling is piss water, Tennents is just about drinkable but you would have to be easy pleased to drink Carling.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No it's a new campaign I've just started for unionist Scots. We will be drinking Carling from now, as opposed to the ubiquitous Tennents for the duration of the #indyref2 campaign. It's got a memorable hashtag-malcolmg said:
Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steamingJBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
I prefer a premium beer myself.
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Debt is only a problem when it is from the left it seems.DecrepitJohnL said:
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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In the past new Prime Ministers have not used a lectern at all - indeed have said very little beyond a few words . It has usually simply been a case of 'I have just returned from the Palace where HMQ asked me to form a Government' Within a minute or so , they disappeared into No 10. Even Thatcher in 1979 when she mistakenly attributed words to St Francis of Assisi did not make a speech.The_Taxman said:
I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?OnlyLivingBoy said:I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
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Like NHS reorganisations from the rightFoxy said:
Debt is only a problem when it is from the left it seems.DecrepitJohnL said:
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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The people who fell for right wing parties' propaganda about deficits are shocked- shocked!- to discover those parties don't really careHYUFD said:
The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomedScrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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An October election leaves Labour in a world of pain..... An outcome of Con 32-35 Lab 22-25 Lib Dems 18-23 isn't out the question.RochdalePioneers said:
Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.GIN1138 said:
Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October.Scott_P said:
Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.
Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.0 -
Anyone who could go bankrupt twice building and running casino's, or the other ventures, Airlines, Vodka or University amongst others really doesn't have a record I would bet on. And then there is Trump's recorded attraction to young underage females which is simmering away nicely in the background.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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Arguably, the US started on a very poor track record in the 1980s that it still follows today and the UK follows as well. US/UK just keep postponing the day of reckoning as they live beyond their means. I mean the US is on steroids, has practically its own oil supply and it still racks up deficits by the day! The UK is in some ways an even worse case as it does not have the boon of possessing the leading currency.HYUFD said:
The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomedScrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
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For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.0 -
Of course he will, just as he wasted all that money in London.Scrapheap_as_was said:hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20
Right wing profligacy carries the advantage that the left won't complain about their overspending.0 -
Brisket forgets some of us have to workEl_Capitano said:
For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.0 -
Yup. We'd get utterly battered.MarqueeMark said:
An October election leaves Labour in a world of pain..... An outcome of Con 32-35 Lab 22-25 Lib Dems 18-23 isn't out the question.RochdalePioneers said:
Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.GIN1138 said:
Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October.Scott_P said:
Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.
Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.0 -
It wasn't just malky, todays trilogy of Malky, UnionDiv and Mr Glenn have all been a bit queit (well not malky at the moment obviously) since I posed my "PB conundrum" for themEl_Capitano said:
For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneeringmalcolmg said:
FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.JBriskinindyref2 said:Give the guy a chance.
I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
#Carling4Tennents4indyref2
And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.0
