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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,722
    First, like Swinson.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    I wanted a flutter on the Moggster last time around but thankfully Ms Brisk vetoed.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,588
    I think I'd want odds on "none."

    Interesting first appointment of Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Handling the irreconcilable differences within the Tory party is probably mission impossible, but Mark Spencer sounds like a genuine doer, so as much chance as anyone.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,562
    At this stage it is worth focusing betting on who would take over in the very short term if Johnson is brought down in September/October.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,044
    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,827
    The race is on.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,867
    The heat is on.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.

    Laying the flavour of the day is probably a good idea - there is no clear Boris like figure on the backbenches. Gove at 25-1 could be the best bet amongst that lot, but does he fancy failing another time.
    Rees Mogg at 12-1 is money for old rope for the bookies.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,692
    tpfkar said:

    I think I'd want odds on "none."

    Interesting first appointment of Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Handling the irreconcilable differences within the Tory party is probably mission impossible, but Mark Spencer sounds like a genuine doer, so as much chance as anyone.

    Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Frank Spencer as Prime Minister.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    @nichomar FPT:
    It’s easy to counter that by asking what the Labour Party have achieved in terms of their supposed target groups in need of help since there was last a labour government? With corbyn they have achieved nothing in government and now see success as losing a GE by less than was thought.
    That presupposes Corbynites value practicality over purity (they don't) and reason over belief (they don't).

    They're a cult not really interested in real power, but impotent purity.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Proof that Boris starts out having set himself up for abject failure in his core promise - from Nigel Farage.

    I wish Boris Johnson well as prime minister with his ‘do or die’ pledge to deliver Brexit on October 31.

    It is ‘do or die’ not just for Brexit, but for the future of the Conservative party too.

    Does he have the courage to deliver for the country?

    Well, quite. Farage has already spotted the opportunity, but that wasn't difficult. Boris couldn't have set a bigger trap for himself.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited July 2019
    Boris Johnson elected as leader and thus PM has with the impact of the heat made me feel sick. The type of sickness you feel when a relative suddenly dies and the shock reverberates to your core. I truly dread where the idiot will take the country. His thank you speech did not strike me as Prime Ministerial and I noticed the lame attempt to get laughs, some of which fell flat. He really cannot do serious!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,796
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    SandyRentool said:

    tpfkar said:

    I think I'd want odds on "none."

    Interesting first appointment of Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Handling the irreconcilable differences within the Tory party is probably mission impossible, but Mark Spencer sounds like a genuine doer, so as much chance as anyone.

    Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Frank Spencer as Prime Minister.
    lol

    The new chief whip makes me think of the company! Boris thinks he is a bright spark but it wont get him any extra points!
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Pulpstar said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.

    Laying the flavour of the day is probably a good idea - there is no clear Boris like figure on the backbenches. Gove at 25-1 could be the best bet amongst that lot, but does he fancy failing another time.
    Rees Mogg at 12-1 is money for old rope for the bookies.
    Yes the Moggster is far too short - but what odds would you want for him? I can seriously picture him as the next Boris
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    In six months time we might all be hunting Squirrels if we have a No Deal Brexit!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,193
    I think Penny is a good option on that list. I think sitting out this contest may prove a wise decision. I hope she is reappointed Defence Secretary
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,371
    edited July 2019
    Some interesting, if unsurprising, stuff from YouGov:

    https://tinyurl.com/y37gzqwj
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,266
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    I read that wrong (missed the hyphen) and several thoughts went through my mind:

    a) Be more cautious of the squirrels in my garden
    b) How do you fine a squirrel?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.

    Laying the flavour of the day is probably a good idea - there is no clear Boris like figure on the backbenches. Gove at 25-1 could be the best bet amongst that lot, but does he fancy failing another time.
    Rees Mogg at 12-1 is money for old rope for the bookies.
    Yes the Moggster is far too short - but what odds would you want for him? I can seriously picture him as the next Boris
    I'd have a think if he was in 3 figures to back.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    ToryJim said:

    I think Penny is a good option on that list. I think sitting out this contest may prove a wise decision. I hope she is reappointed Defence Secretary

    She's one of the only Tory MPs who seems bonkers on Brexit, yet generally quite sane otherwise.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    ToryJim said:

    I think Penny is a good option on that list. I think sitting out this contest may prove a wise decision. I hope she is reappointed Defence Secretary

    Too short at 12-1.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153672992863465473

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153673004217491456
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,534
    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Pulpstar said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.

    Laying the flavour of the day is probably a good idea - there is no clear Boris like figure on the backbenches. Gove at 25-1 could be the best bet amongst that lot, but does he fancy failing another time.
    Rees Mogg at 12-1 is money for old rope for the bookies.
    Yes the Moggster is far too short - but what odds would you want for him? I can seriously picture him as the next Boris
    I'd have a think if he was in 3 figures to back.
    Yup - that's what I would have wanted at this stage as well - but if he's given a cabinet role and things progress...

    I think I did quite well last time - I was only 2 votes away from Profit after I got on Gove at long odds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?

    & be a loyal toady, Grayling fits the bill.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,371
    Pulpstar said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Borough, indeed. A major fork in the betting road is whether this is a short term or long term matter.

    Laying the flavour of the day is probably a good idea - there is no clear Boris like figure on the backbenches. Gove at 25-1 could be the best bet amongst that lot, but does he fancy failing another time.
    Rees Mogg at 12-1 is money for old rope for the bookies.
    Yes the Moggster is far too short - but what odds would you want for him? I can seriously picture him as the next Boris
    I'd have a think if he was in 3 figures to back.
    Baker is 100-1 with Betfred (via oddschecker).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,273
    I can' t believe that voters might seriously consider an Old Etonian stick insect for next Prime Minister. Where are the Hartlepudlian class warriors when you need them.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Roger said:

    I can' t believe that voters might seriously consider an Old Etonian stick insect for next Prime Minister. Where are the Hartlepudlian class warriors when you need them.

    Is the Moggster etonian as well - well someone should have mentioned that before - they certainly get about.

    Guacamole!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,193
    Pulpstar said:

    ToryJim said:

    I think Penny is a good option on that list. I think sitting out this contest may prove a wise decision. I hope she is reappointed Defence Secretary

    Too short at 12-1.
    I dunno. I think it's pretty reasonable given present circumstances etc
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,317
    The country is dismayed about being dis-Mayed.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Roger said:

    I can' t believe that voters might seriously consider an Old Etonian stick insect for next Prime Minister. Where are the Hartlepudlian class warriors when you need them.

    Rory Stewart?

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,494
    tpfkar said:

    I think I'd want odds on "none."

    Interesting first appointment of Mark Spencer as Chief Whip. Handling the irreconcilable differences within the Tory party is probably mission impossible, but Mark Spencer sounds like a genuine doer, so as much chance as anyone.

    Had not previously heard of him. From his wiki page "Spencer attracted criticism in early 2015 after suggesting that a man with learning difficulties who had been left without food or power after being sanctioned for arriving four minutes late at the benefit office should "learn the discipline of timekeeping". Sounds like a whip.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?

    Cometh the hour, cometh the Quiet Man.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,562
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1153661842948009985
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,796
    The_Taxman said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    In six months time we might all be hunting Squirrels if we have a No Deal Brexit!
    Only the lucky ones. Most of us will be sharing bits of dog over a brazier.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1153679319941754880
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,796
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Sean_F said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    In six months time we might all be hunting Squirrels if we have a No Deal Brexit!
    Only the lucky ones. Most of us will be sharing bits of dog over a brazier.
    Dogs? By then we'll be eating the remains of the seagulls we used to catch the dogs.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9552660/seagull-dog-chihuahua-paignton-devon/
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Mango said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?

    Cometh the hour, cometh the Quiet Man.
    Grayling fo' sho'
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1153681680365948929
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153672992863465473

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153673004217491456

    The 28% pleased and delighted is higher thsn the 25% the Tories were on in the latest Yougov and less than half unhappy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1153661842948009985

    It will be a solid relationship, if not as strong as Thatcher and Reagan or Blair and Clinton it will certainly be warmer than May and Trump was.

    Boris probably benefits from not being a Trump cheerleader like Farage
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    edited July 2019
    James Cleverly is the one to watch, a Leaver unlike Javid, telegenic and likely next party chairman under Boris
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Brisky's non-tip but prediction on Sky now
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    edited July 2019
    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    I always divide by about 3 or 4 and still get told off.

    (Edit: probably because they multiple by 3 or 4)
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    How about James Brokenshire for Chancellor?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    edited July 2019
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153681553853177856?s=20

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153682239584161792?s=20
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    HYUFD said:

    James Cleverly is the one to watch, a Leaver unlike Javid, telegenic and likely next party chairman under Boris

    Talk of Paul.Scully becoming Party Chair with a bigger job for Cleverley
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153672992863465473

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1153673004217491456

    For me the most interesting of the early polling. The British people don't want an election, MPs don't want to make any Brexit decision. An alliance of inertia which is fascinating and horrifying in equal measure.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,065
    Sean_F said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    In six months time we might all be hunting Squirrels if we have a No Deal Brexit!
    Only the lucky ones. Most of us will be sharing bits of dog over a brazier.
    but that will add to global warming and Greta will hex you.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
    Guido
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1153683639764303872
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153681553853177856?s=20

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153682239584161792?s=20

    I wonder if the MPs laughed at him in that event?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,317
    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1153686916300267521
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153681553853177856?s=20

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1153682239584161792?s=20

    I wonder if the MPs laughed at him in that event?
    I'm minded of the encampment in the Crimea just prior to the charge of the Light Brigade.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Is it just me or have all they PB cybernats F offed after I gave them the "PB conundrum".

    It's pretty quiet without them. I'm sure we'll get used to it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    edited July 2019
    Sean_F said:

    The_Taxman said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084466

    Squirrel-eating men get fined.

    In six months time we might all be hunting Squirrels if we have a No Deal Brexit!
    Only the lucky ones. Most of us will be sharing bits of dog over a brazier.
    Brexit is the dog's bollox and we'll all be sharing that bit .

    just to add: there's a brasier that won't join in.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1153681680365948929

    The next LD defector?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,476
    geoffw said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
    Guido
    Yes and you can be sure Guido has spun it in as hostile a way as possible as he's the arch-propagandist for the LEAVE fraternity.

    All Jo has said if the people vote LEAVE she could not support that in parliament - that doesn't mean such a result couldn't and wouldn't be enacted but it seems strange having advocated one side before the vote to do a complete volte face if the vote goes the other way - I mean, who could support REMAIN and argue for it and then turn round the next day, if LEAVE won, and said they were a confirmed LEAVE supporter all along?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,861
    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    If you're on 50k exactly you will receive no benefit from his tax cut for higher earners.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    stodge said:

    geoffw said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
    Guido
    Yes and you can be sure Guido has spun it in as hostile a way as possible as he's the arch-propagandist for the LEAVE fraternity.

    All Jo has said if the people vote LEAVE she could not support that in parliament - that doesn't mean such a result couldn't and wouldn't be enacted but it seems strange having advocated one side before the vote to do a complete volte face if the vote goes the other way - I mean, who could support REMAIN and argue for it and then turn round the next day, if LEAVE won, and said they were a confirmed LEAVE supporter all along?
    In the interview she comes over as flustered and pathetic.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1153689508472401920
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,066
    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Spoken like a true EUcrat
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1153689805596876802
  • beentheredonethatbeentheredonethat Posts: 838
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
    Seems to me something which will be used by tories and BXP in the b&r campaign. However it will give LDs remain support
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited July 2019
    Tabman said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1153681680365948929

    The next LD defector?
    Half a moment, half a moment. We're still waiting for earlier LibDem promises to be made good.

    It was only in this morning's thread that we were promised Heidi or Sarah would be going over to the LibDems today -- one by one as OGH memorably said "to maximise the impact."

    And the thread before that was entitled "Get ready for Boris’s big day to see CON resignations and the LDs perhaps getting another MP"

    We are all fully prepared for the big defections one by one "to maximise the impact" ... how many more times will they have to be predicted?

    Maybe the impact of these defections is so enormous that like the Tunguska Event they have to be limited to one or two a century for safety's sake.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1153689924777984001
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?

    Grayling?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,692
    edited July 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1153689924777984001

    Purposeful. His purpose being to keep his seat at the top table. Pathetic.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,562
    rkrkrk said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    If you're on 50k exactly you will receive no benefit from his tax cut for higher earners.
    Has anyone told his future chancellor that this is what is going to happen?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,562
    Tabman said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1153681680365948929

    The next LD defector?
    It's asking a bit much of Johnson. He hasn't a clue what his Brexit plan is and I doubt he will be Thursday either.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    That's her honeymoon over. What a silly thing to say.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    edited July 2019
    YBarddCwsc said:

    Tabman said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1153681680365948929

    The next LD defector?
    Half a moment, half a moment. We're still waiting for earlier LibDem promises to be made good.

    It was only in this morning's thread that we were promised Heidi or Sarah would be going over to the LibDems today -- one by one as OGH memorably said "to maximise the impact."

    And the thread before that was entitled "Get ready for Boris’s big day to see CON resignations and the LDs perhaps getting another MP"

    We are all fully prepared for the big defections one by one "to maximise the impact" ... how many more times will they have to be predicted?

    Maybe the impact of these defections is so enormous that like the Tunguska Event they have to be limited to one or two a century for safety's sake.

    I've been on Sky more than usual because of the defection talk.

    Still not too late for the Six I guess but it would be second (or last) story - maybe they're best waiting til Thursday or Friday.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    The best time to defect is probably now if you really want to cut Boris off at the knees
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,827
    felix said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    That's her honeymoon over. What a silly thing to say.
    She'll fit right in with those at Brussels.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Pulpstar said:

    The best time to defect is probably now if you really want to cut Boris off at the knees

    It's not a real defection if they've resigned from the Tiggers anyway.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,140
    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
    It's a bit mystifying why someone would choose to live in the mordour that is the south east if 50k means you're struggling
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited July 2019
    felix said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    That's her honeymoon over. What a silly thing to say.
    I heard her interview and Jo came across as shrieky and semi-deranged.

    Still, she is probably not as bad as Ed Davey, who comes across as a seriously slow-witted individual who has been battling an intravenous downer habit for twenty years.


  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,534
    Hmm. Sounds as if Boris is already equivocating on 31 October and an early election. I wonder if his secret strategy all along was booting Brexit into the long grass in the hope that TBP will have burned itself out in a couple of years.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Are the ERG onboard?

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1153695618457591808
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    That's her honeymoon over. What a silly thing to say.
    She'll fit right in with those at Brussels.
    A veritable choux de bruxelles.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I can tell £8 from £20 and £20 from £50 but above £50 I find it tough to differentiate
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,105
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
    How do you suppose people manage on £20k, then?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,588
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Who will Boris make Minister for No Deal Brexit? He or she will have to fulfil the following conditions:

    Be someone Boris doesn't like.

    Be someone so famously useless that everyone will naturally blame him or her for a No Deal disaster without Boris even needing to spin anything.

    Who would be a good fit?

    Theresa May sounds ideal.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1153661842948009985

    It will be a solid relationship, if not as strong as Thatcher and Reagan or Blair and Clinton it will certainly be warmer than May and Trump was.

    Boris probably benefits from not being a Trump cheerleader like Farage
    Well they are both native New Yorkers...
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
    Well, rural_voter sure don't live anywhere rural.

    The closest Majestic Wines to me are 2 and 1/2 hours drive away in Cardiff or Swansea.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,281
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
    It's a bit mystifying why someone would choose to live in the mordour that is the south east if 50k means you're struggling
    Some jobs pay well down there. Other than that, fuck knows.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,311
    Charles said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I can tell £8 from £20 and £20 from £50 but above £50 I find it tough to differentiate
    Tough.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,140
    Chris said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    rural_voter said:

    Animal_pb said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    IMF predicting a boris bounce for the economy - must be all those tax cuts for those struggling to get by on 50k

    Good show. I struggle to get by on £50k.
    Try being a bit more bohemian - you can always switch to cider for example; one of those big bottles has your weekly allowance of alcohol in one handy bottle.
    Weekly allowance. Right.

    Of all the lies the Brits tell, how modest their consumption of alcohol is (particularly when talking to the nurse or GP) has got to be their biggest whopper.
    Anyone struggling to live on £50k/y mystifies me. My red 'vin ordinaire' costs a mere £4 a bottle and it's very good. There are lots of good ones between £4-4.50.

    Chateau Recougne from Majestic is one of the best clarets I've drunk for 20 years. It shortly goes on offer for ... £7.99 per bottle. I came across it at a relative's house in June and then found out that Majestic have a local branch.

    I challenge most people to distinguish very good or excellent wine like this from 'great' wine - which I couldn't afford - in a blind tasting.
    I guess you don't live in London or the South East with a family - or you'd find it a lot less mystifying. Buying cheap wine would be the least of your worries!
    How do you suppose people manage on £20k, then?
    I imagine it's incredibly tough, and explains why many kids go hungry during the school holidays. Housing costs eat up a huge fraction of people's incomes. I am not saying people on £50k are on the poverty line, I am saying that if they have a family and live in an area where they have to pay a lot for housing as well as transport, childcare etc they probably are not sitting around bitching about having to buy cheap wine.
    Also: "why do they live there then" is a dumb question because that is where the jobs and opportunities are. You're better off living on £50k/yr in London than unemployed in Hartlepool.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    I used to drink wine but I find it gives me heartburn nowadays (probably cus it's the cheap stuff)

    More importantly though - can you tell the difference between Tennents and Carling?

    It's not really a question anyway cause Carling is better.

    But like the good Scots lad I am I drink Tennents.

    However, given #indyref2 I will be making the switch.

    Let today be the birth of the hashtag-

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,059
    stodge said:

    geoffw said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    geoffw said:

    Swinson says she would only accept the result of a second referendum if Remain won.

    Lol - at least she's honest - Source?
    Guido
    Yes and you can be sure Guido has spun it in as hostile a way as possible as he's the arch-propagandist for the LEAVE fraternity.

    All Jo has said if the people vote LEAVE she could not support that in parliament - that doesn't mean such a result couldn't and wouldn't be enacted but it seems strange having advocated one side before the vote to do a complete volte face if the vote goes the other way - I mean, who could support REMAIN and argue for it and then turn round the next day, if LEAVE won, and said they were a confirmed LEAVE supporter all along?
    True. But, in this hypothetical situation of of (lets say) a 2nd Referendum with Remain v Theresa May Deal as the choice, if TM Deal won I would expect any MP that said they couldn't support this choice to either abstain on the Parliamentary vote (at least) or more properly resign as an MP.

    I'm not saying it'd happen but if another Ref resulted in a Leave option being picked, it simply wouldn't be fair to allow Parliament to block it.

    It's not even completely out there. General Election in September results in 330 LD MPs. They extend for 2nd Ref and put TM Deal v Remain for a March 2020 2nd Ref. 2nd Ref results in 52% for TM Leave.

    330MPs then turn around, chortle and say 'fooled you, only kidding, we won't vote it through Parliament'?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,562
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153698474157912065
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