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Always best to get to the root of the matter.ydoethur said:
It's swede of you to be so understanding.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.
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I approve of this message, even if your fury has gotten the better of your grammar...nichomar said:Tice is a complete and utter arse hole how the hell did the U.K. send twats like him and Widdecombe to represent us in Europe is beyond belief, they should wear America First hats an t shirts and be locked up for treason
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There's Norway I'd be so generous if my heroes were being mangold.Nigelb said:
Always best to get to the root of the matter.ydoethur said:
It's swede of you to be so understanding.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.-1 -
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.0 -
The interesting scenario which could come out of a labour brexit is the tory party campaigning FOR it and the labour party campaigning against it...rkrkrk said:
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.0 -
If you’re expecting to get a rhizome out of me....ydoethur said:
There's Norway I'd be so generous if my heroes were being mangold.Nigelb said:
Always best to get to the root of the matter.ydoethur said:
It's swede of you to be so understanding.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.
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My apologies I was carried away watching him on CH 4 news and couldn’t restrain myself. On a more serious point why do TBP Ltd MEPs get so much coverage on all channels? They won less than half of the seats but the others are ignored.Nigelb said:
I approve of this message, even if your fury has gotten the better of your grammar...nichomar said:Tice is a complete and utter arse hole how the hell did the U.K. send twats like him and Widdecombe to represent us in Europe is beyond belief, they should wear America First hats an t shirts and be locked up for treason
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Nope.stodge said:
As an aside, would you advocate SNP candidates standing down in LD seats? Would you advocate LD candidates standing aside in SNP seats?StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.
What (might) work for Plaid won’t work for us. We are too close to the endgame.
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Richard Tice being interviewed on Ch4 News about the US Ambassador's leaked email. What a spiv! Worth playing again because I fear he's the shape of things to come in Johnson's dystopian Britain.0
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Richard Tice. Just starting to give this chap some attention. Been rather ignoring him up to now.
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Not the brightest. Also sense a certain brittle vanity. Low quality specimen.
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Do not deplatform entirely but limit appearances to an absolute minimum.0 -
I like Swinson too. The same way I like Richard Leonard, Ruth Davidson, Jim Murphy and countless other dunderheids.Gallowgate said:
I like Swinson.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.0 -
I don't think anyone has won.rkrkrk said:
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.
It is still a terribly confused fudge. It is not based on any principle or coherent thought. It offers no real clue as to what a 'Labour' deal might actually look like.
It is still trying to be Remain-y and Leave-y at the same time.
And they still need to be in power for force a referendum. I can't see this making that task any easier0 -
I don’t think they have the part policy is still a labour brexit first which is what the leadership want, now if you take the view that there will never be a labour brexit then yes they are a second referendum advocate. It won’t wash with those they have lost over this and other issues.rkrkrk said:
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.0 -
it's certainly a step out of the centre of the fudge towards a position. Come a general election, what do they campaign for?oxfordsimon said:
I don't think anyone has won.rkrkrk said:
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.
It is still a terribly confused fudge. It is not based on any principle or coherent thought. It offers no real clue as to what a 'Labour' deal might actually look like.
It is still trying to be Remain-y and Leave-y at the same time.
And they still need to be in power for force a referendum. I can't see this making that task any easier0 -
Warren has the funding to stay in it to win it....
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/451998-warren-raised-more-than-19-million-in-second-quarter0 -
A different flavour of fudge.spudgfsh said:
it's certainly a step out of the centre of the fudge towards a position. Come a general election, what do they campaign for?oxfordsimon said:
I don't think anyone has won.rkrkrk said:
My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.Gallowgate said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1148292649641795585Gallowgate said:Labour continue to go from ridiculous to absurd. Do they think they are being clever?
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.
It is still a terribly confused fudge. It is not based on any principle or coherent thought. It offers no real clue as to what a 'Labour' deal might actually look like.
It is still trying to be Remain-y and Leave-y at the same time.
And they still need to be in power for force a referendum. I can't see this making that task any easier
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Whilst I’m sure that he isn’t motivated by the fact that when we leave the EU he won’t have to declare his multi-millions currently lodgers in offshore bank accounts his incredible attack on what is probably an honest diplomat was appalling.kinabalu said:Richard Tice. Just starting to give this chap some attention. Been rather ignoring him up to now.
Tentative initial conclusion -
Not the brightest. Also sense a certain brittle vanity. Low quality specimen.
Recommendation -
Do not deplatform entirely but limit appearances to an absolute minimum.0 -
If this thing blows up any further it will cause serious embarrassment to the Queen and raise questions why she was persuaded to invite the Addams family to her home for dinner in the first place.spudgfsh said:
That and the length of the campaign means that it's really tough to keep the agenda on Brexit. The last election was a 'Brexit Election' but more time was spent on the tory social care policySouthamObserver said:Abject humiliation. There will be so much tactical voting at the next GE to prevent a Tory government that prostrates the UK at the feet of the Trumps that any seat forecasts at this stage are almost pointless.
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There is only one way that Labour can dig them out of this huge vat of confused fudge and that is with a new leadership team.
Corbyn is never going to be a credible advocate for Remain
Unless and until they get rid of him, they will be mired in this mess
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I wasn't. That would be a turnip for the books.Nigelb said:
If you’re expecting to get a rhizome out of me....ydoethur said:
There's Norway I'd be so generous if my heroes were being mangold.Nigelb said:
Always best to get to the root of the matter.ydoethur said:
It's swede of you to be so understanding.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.0 -
Just propagating a theory.ydoethur said:
I wasn't. That would be a turnip for the books.Nigelb said:
If you’re expecting to get a rhizome out of me....ydoethur said:
There's Norway I'd be so generous if my heroes were being mangold.Nigelb said:
Always best to get to the root of the matter.ydoethur said:
It's swede of you to be so understanding.StuartDickson said:
Don’t get me wrong. You’re making the best choice. And I wish you all the best in England, and perhaps Wales if you come to an amicable agreement with Plaid.stodge said:
The usual old nonsense I see, I'd argue Ed Davey has run a professional campaign and has said a lot of things on campaigning and environmental change LD members have wanted to hear.StuartDickson said:Lib Dems have taken a good look at the anointed Swinson and not liked what they saw. We did try to tell you.
Davey is a proven activist and street fighter and that carries a lot of weight. It's not that Swinson is poor, she is very good - it's just Davey is better.
Swinson is a turnip. But I fully understand that you cannot publicly agree.0 -
Trump can go fxxk himself .
Who the hell does he think he is . So his advice was sue the EU , that would have gone down well !
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I am pretty sure that Labour would contrive to lose the vote if it were asked to help call for a general election which they thought they were going to lose.GIN1138 said:
Ineed. The idea Labour would vote against a general election, when offered, is fanciful. No Opposition could do that and remain credible which is why FTPA is basically a worthless piece of legislation.rkrkrk said:
Labour have been consistently calling for an election. They would happily oblige Boris surely.AlastairMeeks said:
In 2017 the mad Corbynistas thought they were going to win.0 -
A majority of Tory party members approve of this message....CarlottaVance said:0 -
Tbh, most of the country would agree with the statement about Theresa. She was abject.Nigelb said:
A majority of Tory party members approve of this message....CarlottaVance said:0 -
Not just Tories. There are elements there that most people here would agree with surely?Nigelb said:
A majority of Tory party members approve of this message....CarlottaVance said:
"I have been very critical about the way the UK and Prime Minister Theresa May handled Brexit" - I think this applies to you and me too.
"What a mess she and her representatives have created" - Ditto
"I told her how it should be done, but she decided to go another way" - We haven't told her but we have each said our own ways on how it should be done.
"I do not know the Ambassador" - Me neither, do you?
Snipping bit about US
"It was the Queen who I was most impressed with!" - Would you be more impressed with the Queen or Theresa May?0 -
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It’s all gone quiet you can’t all be watching dispatches, I’m sure it’s a load of ch4 propaganda 😁 but very interestingNigelb said:
A majority of Tory party members approve of this message....CarlottaVance said:0 -
NEW THREAD ALERT!0
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I'm afraid that PC's description of Nicholas Witchell applies to most of these brexity types.Roger said:Richard Tice being interviewed on Ch4 News about the US Ambassador's leaked email. What a spiv! Worth playing again because I fear he's the shape of things to come in Johnson's dystopian Britain.
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Yes. Ref2 with Remain on the ballot guaranteed.rkrkrk said:My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.
Perfectly clear. Perfectly reasonable. The best that Remainers could with a straight face hope for or expect. It was always coming and has now ... arrived.
Any of them still whinging are really not serious about their politics.0 -
They still claim to want to renegotiate Brexit.kinabalu said:
Yes. Ref2 with Remain on the ballot guaranteed.rkrkrk said:My understanding is Labour will back a second referendum regardless.
If it's a Tory deal, they'll back remain. If it's a Labour deal, there will be a second vote but it's not clear whether Labour would back remain (indeed perhaps Corbyn would stay neutral and let MPs campaign on either side).
So it seems the second referendumers have won.
Perfectly clear. Perfectly reasonable. The best that Remainers could with a straight face hope for or expect. It was always coming and has now ... arrived.
Any of them still whinging are really not serious about their politics.
That’s dishonest without clarity on what exactly they propose to “renegotiate”.0 -
Appalling indeed. This is (sadly) shaping up as a culture war.nichomar said:Whilst I’m sure that he isn’t motivated by the fact that when we leave the EU he won’t have to declare his multi-millions currently lodgers in offshore bank accounts his incredible attack on what is probably an honest diplomat was appalling.
Cognescenti vs Ignorami.
No middle ground.
The "I"s have had it in the last 2 big matches (WH16 and EU16) but I think the Cogs can hit back in the next 2.0 -
Fox is the worst though. The people of the north-west should be ashamed.nichomar said:Tice is a complete and utter arse hole how the hell did the U.K. send twats like him and Widdecombe to represent us in Europe is beyond belief, they should wear America First hats an t shirts and be locked up for treason
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