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"I ask you: do you want Total Brexit? If necessary, do you want a Brexit more total and radical than anything that we can even yet imagine?"
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To be expected. It was the first stumbles, and even then he was still totally fine. Hopefully Hunt can put up a decent showing at least.
P.S The Tories have gone off the wall. Not for choosing Boris, that makes a certain amount of sense when they think that will save the most MPs. But in caring about nothing but one policy.0 -
Laying Hunt is free money.
There is no way the party membership will back Mr Jeremy "I'm the 48 not a Little Englander" Hunt.1 -
Yougov has a Tory members' poll out this week with Boris leading Hunt 74% to 26%.
If true Boris would win the Tory membership over Hunt by even more than Cameron beat Davis and IDS beat Clarke. However I expect it to narrow and that poll concluded on 21st June before the Carrie Symonds' affair
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/25/incredible-rise-and-fall-and-rise-boris-johnson0 -
That’s last week’s poll, published in the Times on SaturdayHYUFD said:Yougov has a Tory members' poll out this week with Boris leading Hunt 74% to 26%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/25/incredible-rise-and-fall-and-rise-boris-johnson
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More to the point if they don't do anything in response to Williamson being let back in they basically agree with you they need to get a grip on themselves, since it shows their words as nothing but posturing. If they believe what they say, they cannot share a party with such a man. If they can, they are admitting they are just mouthing off to make themselves feel better.Roger said:
I do think Labour politicians should get a grip. Williamson suggested Labour had self flagellated for so long that people thought their anti-semitism was more institutional than he thought it was. Tom Watson was the torch-bearer for his dismissal.rottenborough said:It gets better:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1143919059328819200
.........Tom Watson who called a dying Leon Britten 'As close to evil as any human being could get'. You wouldn't need an imagination to guess how the cancer ridden Britten and his family must have felt for his few months.
Watson's outburst was sparked by a meeting with a fantasist whose story was so far-fetched no one but a complete idiot -or her majesty's constabulary- would have given it a second glance.
My question to Watson would be this: If Williamson can't be forgiven for being insensitive why should you be?.1 -
Okay, look. What if Brexit didn't even exist, huh? Did you ever think about that? I didn't know! So now, if I went in and made a major security issue out of it, everybody steps in. Administration steps in, and there are no exclusive rights for anybody; nobody wins. So I made a decision and it was... wrong. It was a bad call, Sunil. It was a bad call.Sunil_Prasannan said:"I ask you: do you want Total Brexit? If necessary, do you want a Brexit more total and radical than anything that we can even yet imagine?"
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Though even on that poll Hunt led with Tory members who voted Remain 65% to 35% but Boris led with Tory members who voted Leave 87% to 13%TheScreamingEagles said:
That’s last week’s poll, published in the Times on SaturdayHYUFD said:Yougov has a Tory members' poll out this week with Boris leading Hunt 74% to 26%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/25/incredible-rise-and-fall-and-rise-boris-johnson0 -
At least for Boris when he wins he gets not just a job but a home.0
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The wheels on the bus...0
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The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
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"Now, people, rise up, and let the storm break loose!"Sunil_Prasannan said:"I ask you: do you want Total Brexit? If necessary, do you want a Brexit more total and radical than anything that we can even yet imagine?"
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When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?Alistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
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When did Johnson say That?Ishmael_Z said:
Okay, look. What if Brexit didn't even exist, huh? Did you ever think about that? I didn't know! So now, if I went in and made a major security issue out of it, everybody steps in. Administration steps in, and there are no exclusive rights for anybody; nobody wins. So I made a decision and it was... wrong. It was a bad call, Sunil. It was a bad call.Sunil_Prasannan said:"I ask you: do you want Total Brexit? If necessary, do you want a Brexit more total and radical than anything that we can even yet imagine?"
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Fell off?Philip_Thompson said:At least for Boris when he wins he gets not just a job but a home.
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Earlier today a delusional comparison was made between Winston Churchill and Boris Johnson. Somehow I doubt that when that great red bus in the sky stops for Boris we shall not see his passing in the same light as Churchill :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Xkr8z3lEo0 -
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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According the Guardian
'There is absolutely no way the ERG would vote to revive the Withdrawal Agreement and @BorisJohnson has “absolutely guaranteed” he won’t be bringing it back Mark Francois tells @Peston #Peston'
Anyone anything to the contrary?0 -
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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2004/aug/14/featuresreviews.guardianreview7
Something for those Labour MPs busily tweeting about how perfectly ghastly anti-semitism is to watch and ponder.0 -
It does seem curious how some anti-no dealers are convinced that Boris will cast that lot aside.OldKingCole said:According the Guardian
'There is absolutely no way the ERG would vote to revive the Withdrawal Agreement and @BorisJohnson has “absolutely guaranteed” he won’t be bringing it back Mark Francois tells @Peston #Peston'
Anyone anything to the contrary?
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:
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Why not? Just asking.williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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Rubbish. We are entirely in control of whether a no deal brexit happens. We can revoke Article 50 at any time.kle4 said:
It does seem curious how some anti-no dealers are convinced that Boris will cast that lot aside.OldKingCole said:According the Guardian
'There is absolutely no way the ERG would vote to revive the Withdrawal Agreement and @BorisJohnson has “absolutely guaranteed” he won’t be bringing it back Mark Francois tells @Peston #Peston'
Anyone anything to the contrary?
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:0 -
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.0
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Those of us who care more about the UK than England. You don't need to share that view, and many don't, but plenty of us will notice so why even pretend no one will? It's not even clever to pretend no one will, since you cannot possibly think no one would notice.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price--1 -
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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I think this is outside of Grieve's mental capacity. Don't know about Beckett, with all due respect, I didn't know she was still alive.kle4 said:
It does seem curious how some anti-no dealers are convinced that Boris will cast that lot aside.OldKingCole said:According the Guardian
'There is absolutely no way the ERG would vote to revive the Withdrawal Agreement and @BorisJohnson has “absolutely guaranteed” he won’t be bringing it back Mark Francois tells @Peston #Peston'
Anyone anything to the contrary?
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:0 -
I don't mean domestically, I mean globally.kle4 said:
Those of us who care more about the UK than England. You don't need to share that view, and many don't, but plenty of us will notice so why even pretend no one will? It's not even clever to pretend no one will, since you cannot possibly think no one would notice.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
When I lived overseas my country was called England by the people living overseas. I think many Americans might struggle to explain the difference between Britain and England and the United Kingdom.
Saying Global Britain rather than Global England or vice-versa doesn't change much.0 -
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf0 -
I see now,it's semantics.ReggieCide said:
Why not? Just asking.williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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@HYUFD is the personification of 'confirmation bias'.williamglenn said:
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf1 -
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
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He's obviously got a higher opinion of his fellow Tories than you have which though misplaced is nice in a potential leaderPhilip_Thompson said:Laying Hunt is free money.
There is no way the party membership will back Mr Jeremy "I'm the 48 not a Little Englander" Hunt.0 -
🤔ReggieCide said:
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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So are we redefining England to not include London now? I can't keep up.ReggieCide said:
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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If he thinks his fellow Tories are "the 48" then that explains why he and Remainer May have failed so dreadfully.Roger said:
He's obviously got a higher opinion of his fellow Tories than you have which though misplaced is nice in a potential leaderPhilip_Thompson said:Laying Hunt is free money.
There is no way the party membership will back Mr Jeremy "I'm the 48 not a Little Englander" Hunt.0 -
Ok then self determination for London, merseyside manchester and a host of other areas. I am trying to find a polite way to say please give up this line of approach. It does wear one down as does anything which begins ‘but in a poll......’ is also very wearing.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't mean domestically, I mean globally.kle4 said:
Those of us who care more about the UK than England. You don't need to share that view, and many don't, but plenty of us will notice so why even pretend no one will? It's not even clever to pretend no one will, since you cannot possibly think no one would notice.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
When I lived overseas my country was called England by the people living overseas. I think many Americans might struggle to explain the difference between Britain and England and the United Kingdom.
Saying Global Britain rather than Global England or vice-versa doesn't change much.0 -
If they want UDI I wouldn't object. I don't see it happening though. Are there Merseyside or London independence parties struggling the scoreboards?nichomar said:
Ok then self determination for London, merseyside manchester and a host of other areas. I am trying to find a polite way to say please give up this line of approach. It does wear one down as does anything which begins ‘but in a poll......’ is also very wearing.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't mean domestically, I mean globally.kle4 said:
Those of us who care more about the UK than England. You don't need to share that view, and many don't, but plenty of us will notice so why even pretend no one will? It's not even clever to pretend no one will, since you cannot possibly think no one would notice.Philip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
When I lived overseas my country was called England by the people living overseas. I think many Americans might struggle to explain the difference between Britain and England and the United Kingdom.
Saying Global Britain rather than Global England or vice-versa doesn't change much.0 -
https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143931629959831552
If you're explaining you're losing & ratioed tweet alert.
Hunt = toast.0 -
I just googled confirmation bias. It turned out it meant what I thought it did.Gallowgate said:
@HYUFD is the personification of 'confirmation bias'.williamglenn said:
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf5 -
England is England without London, the Cotswolds, Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool and large chunks of the Home Counties, haven’t you heard?Gallowgate said:
So are we redefining England to not include London now? I can't keep up.ReggieCide said:
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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Stuff of nightmares:
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I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.0 -
And Leeds, Bristol, Brighton, Leicester, and York. I wonder what 'Global England' would be like without these places?_Anazina_ said:
England is England without London, the Cotswolds, Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool and large chunks of the Home Counties, haven’t you heard?Gallowgate said:
So are we redefining England to not include London now? I can't keep up.ReggieCide said:
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there in the end. For clarity I was observing not redefining. Google it if you're still struggling.Gallowgate said:
So are we redefining England to not include London now? I can't keep up.ReggieCide said:
London is what I believe these days is called cosmopolitanGallowgate said:England was so lacking in sovereignty that its largest city and seat of power voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Funny that.
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The poll you quoted did NOT include a Canada style FTA as an option.williamglenn said:
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf
In any case even if they favoured Remain the poll I quoted showed most Scots thought a Canada style FTA for GB Brexit would still be a good option but No Deal Brexit would be a bad option0 -
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.0 -
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What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.0 -
Aww diddums.Gallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.0 -
It turns out that Little Englanders want England littler, shorn of those vile Remain-voting areas.0
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Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.0 -
I don't think anyone's advocated that, just had Remainers throw it about as absurd "what ifs" when there is zero evidence of independence movements in those regions.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that Little Englanders want England littler, shorn of those vile Remain-voting areas.
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I think this is Mutually Assured (Parliamentary) Destruction to guard against the suggestion from the No Deal side that Parliament would be prorogued, or ignored, because they're desperately trying to find a way to prevent No Deal that doesn't involve giving Corbyn a chance of becoming PM.kle4 said:
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:0 -
You’re ready to slough off Scotland and Northern Ireland in pursuit of the great white Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think anyone's advocated that, just had Remainers throw it about as absurd "what ifs" when there is zero evidence of independence movements in those regions.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that Little Englanders want England littler, shorn of those vile Remain-voting areas.
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The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.0 -
I'm ready to do so if we remain in the EU too. I backed Yes in 2014 pre-Brexit when I was a Remainer. So your point is?AlastairMeeks said:
You’re ready to slough off Scotland and Northern Ireland in pursuit of the great white Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think anyone's advocated that, just had Remainers throw it about as absurd "what ifs" when there is zero evidence of independence movements in those regions.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that Little Englanders want England littler, shorn of those vile Remain-voting areas.
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In the event of No Deal I suspect most Remainers would actually go LD or Green, not vote for the pro Brexit CorbynOblitusSumMe said:
I think this is Mutually Assured (Parliamentary) Destruction to guard against the suggestion from the No Deal side that Parliament would be prorogued, or ignored, because they're desperately trying to find a way to prevent No Deal that doesn't involve giving Corbyn a chance of becoming PM.kle4 said:
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:0 -
Does it stop all tax collection as wellOblitusSumMe said:
I think this is Mutually Assured (Parliamentary) Destruction to guard against the suggestion from the No Deal side that Parliament would be prorogued, or ignored, because they're desperately trying to find a way to prevent No Deal that doesn't involve giving Corbyn a chance of becoming PM.kle4 said:
Perhaps this is a silly question, but how does blocking all government spending help the country if, god forbid, we do get no deal Brexit? This sounds like the plan that we should not spend any money on no deal preparation because no deal is bad, but that just means if it does happen we are even more screwed.Scott_P said:
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I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.0
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My point is that mad Leavers want to destroy the UK in order to give it Brexit. And they wonder why Remainers aren’t flocking to support their vision.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm ready to do so if we remain in the EU too. I backed Yes in 2014 pre-Brexit when I was a Remainer. So your point is?AlastairMeeks said:
You’re ready to slough off Scotland and Northern Ireland in pursuit of the great white Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think anyone's advocated that, just had Remainers throw it about as absurd "what ifs" when there is zero evidence of independence movements in those regions.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that Little Englanders want England littler, shorn of those vile Remain-voting areas.
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Blocking all Gov't spending sounds like John Redwood's wet dream quite honestly...0
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And me.TOPPING said:I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.
With my families connections to Scotland, Wales and England it is truely distressing0 -
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.0 -
Sure. Like the England and Wales Cricket Team, and the England and Wales Cricket Board.Gallowgate said:
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.
Commonly called ...0 -
1536 to 1707 is not four centuries.Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.0 -
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
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I think we should just call it after the older and more important of the two nation states.Gallowgate said:
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.
That has the added advantage that 'Wales' is shorter and easier to spell.0 -
It's really very simple at this point. There's only one scenario in which Boris probably loses.
It's one where Hunt is dirty enough and competent enough to engineer headlines in the Tory house papers along the lines of "Boris made me kill our babies, says ex-lover".
I thought in making abortion an issue by expressing his support for a lower time limit he was edging towards this.
But I suspect he recognises that winning like that would risk destroying the party, and losing like that would certainly end his career.0 -
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The Brexit Party were second in Scotland in the European Parliament elections and Boris will win back a lot of their voters to the Scottish ToriesRoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
The SNP, the now Leader of the Opposition and many more wanted to destroy the Union well before the portmanteau of Brexit was coined.TOPPING said:I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.
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Hunt's fucked it. His only (slim) hope was relentless pressure on coward Boris and zero (0) fuck ups.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143931629959831552
If you're explaining you're losing & ratioed tweet alert.
Hunt = toast.
He fucked up.0 -
Even then most Leavers are more concerned about delivering Brexit Deal or No Deal than abortion, which is of course legal within the time limitoldpolitics said:It's really very simple at this point. There's only one scenario in which Boris probably loses.
It's one where Hunt is dirty enough and competent enough to engineer headlines in the Tory house papers along the lines of "Boris made me kill our babies, says ex-lover".
I thought in making abortion an issue by expressing his support for a lower time limit he was edging towards this.
But I suspect he recognises that winning like that would risk destroying the party, and losing like that would certainly end his career.0 -
ydoethur said:
I think we should just call it after the older and more important of the two nation states.Gallowgate said:
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.
That has the added advantage that 'Wales' is shorter and easier to spell. We need to shed the baggage of empire eventually... 0 -
Yes, you can't afford to make any errors when you're starting 50 points behind.Alistair said:
Hunt's fucked it. His only (slim) hope was relentless pressure on coward Boris and zero (0) fuck ups.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143931629959831552
If you're explaining you're losing & ratioed tweet alert.
Hunt = toast.
He fucked up.
If you start 50 pts ahead you can make loads.0 -
Someone should explain that to POTUSydoethur said:
I think we should just call it after the older and more important of the two nation states.Gallowgate said:
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.
That has the added advantage that 'Wales' is shorter and easier to spell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-486220010 -
I'll rephrase:Philip_Thompson said:
Someone should explain that to POTUSydoethur said:
I think we should just call it after the older and more important of the two nation states.Gallowgate said:
And that modern nation state should be called "England and Wales".Philip_Thompson said:
The ECB is following history here.ReggieCide said:
Agree - not my sentimentsGallowgate said:
What an arrogant and horrible way to talk about our Welsh brothers and sisters...Philip_Thompson said:
He's rum too.ReggieCide said:
I think more substantially than "commonly" viz www.ecb.co.ukPhilip_Thompson said:
Can be like the England and Wales Cricket Team. Commonly called England.HYUFD said:
Global "England and Wales", Wales voted Leave too just like England even if Remain voting Scotland and Northern Ireland left the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
You're right it can be called "Global England" and who's going to notice the difference?williamglenn said:
If Brexit was partly a desire for English sovereignty, don't be surprised if the European question goes a very different way once that aspiration is achieved. An independent England can't vote to be "Global Britain".Philip_Thompson said:When Scots and Welsh and Irish and Northern Irish have been able to choose their own destiny, why should it be so horrific if the English decide they'd rather be able to do that too than remain shackled to what others who don't even seem to always like us think?
The one day captain is Irish too.
It is amusing that entire website its hard to find any references to "and Wales" unless you look at the about page: https://www.ecb.co.uk/about-us/about-the-ecb
Seems like a fitting way to deal with the Welsh if they want to stick with us post-Brexit.
Wales spent about 4 centuries being part of the Kingdom of England.
Its neither arrogant nor horrible for the ECB to do that, nor to say if the Welsh want to stick with England in the future if we reverted to the historical Kingdom of England that we should be able to handle it like that.
That has the added advantage that 'Wales' is shorter and easier to spell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48622001
To anyone with more brainpower than a stuffed walrus, it has the added advantage that 'Wales' is shorter and easier to spell.0 -
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
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You're a reasonable chap. Why are you in bed with these anglo-supremacists and xenophobes?Big_G_NorthWales said:
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
That does not mean to say it is rightPhilip_Thompson said:
The SNP, the now Leader of the Opposition and many more wanted to destroy the Union well before the portmanteau of Brexit was coined.TOPPING said:I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.
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It was only a matter of time before an anti-williamglenn emerged. So we now have a poster who sees everything as good for Brexit to counter a poster who sees everything as bad for Brexit. For our nation's safety we must ensure the two never meet.Gallowgate said:
@HYUFD is the personification of 'confirmation bias'.williamglenn said:
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf0 -
I wouldn't describe the EU as Anglo-supremacists.Gallowgate said:
You're a reasonable chap. Why are you in bed with these anglo-supremacists and xenophobes?Big_G_NorthWales said:
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
If Roger was really at a boat festival I think the consensus on Boris would be that he may be too soft if anything on Europe.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
Unless by "boat" Roger meant "yacht"?0 -
There is such an easy joke I could make here about it being slightly disturbing that all these xenophobes and racists seem to want the same thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That does not mean to say it is rightPhilip_Thompson said:
The SNP, the now Leader of the Opposition and many more wanted to destroy the Union well before the portmanteau of Brexit was coined.TOPPING said:I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.
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The working classes are renowned for owning boats in 2019.Philip_Thompson said:
If Roger was really at a boat festival I think the consensus on Boris would be that he may be too soft if anything on Europe.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
Unless by "boat" Roger meant "yacht"?0 -
Has any poll since the invocation of Article 50 shown a majority support for a Canada FTA?HYUFD said:
The poll you quoted did NOT include a Canada style FTA as an option.williamglenn said:
LOL. No poll other than the one you were quoting earlier, which has 55% of Scots preferring Remain against any other option.HYUFD said:
No polling since has contradicted those findingswilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2v9b2rv2gl/TheTimes_190618_BrexitResults_w.pdf
In any case even if they favoured Remain the poll I quoted showed most Scots thought a Canada style FTA for GB Brexit would still be a good option but No Deal Brexit would be a bad option0 -
I think if Boris now wins he will replace Hunt as Foreign Secretary with Raab and just give Hunt Lidington's DPM role. Truss to become Chancellor and Javid to stay Home Secretary.Alistair said:
Hunt's fucked it. His only (slim) hope was relentless pressure on coward Boris and zero (0) fuck ups.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143931629959831552
If you're explaining you're losing & ratioed tweet alert.
Hunt = toast.
He fucked up.
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Indeed!Philip_Thompson said:Laying Hunt is free money.
There is no way the party membership will back Mr Jeremy "I'm the 48 not a Little Englander" Hunt. 0 -
Yes true. I had thought the English more self confident, less insecure, and more generous than to want to shed their associations.Philip_Thompson said:
The SNP, the now Leader of the Opposition and many more wanted to destroy the Union well before the portmanteau of Brexit was coined.TOPPING said:I find it genuinely staggering and appalling that people have moved on from Brexit (misguided but I understand it) to wanting to destroy the Union.
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The vote isn't a vote of Leavers though, it's a vote of Tory members.HYUFD said:
Even then most Leavers are more concerned about delivering Brexit Deal or No Deal than abortion, which is of course legal within the time limitoldpolitics said:It's really very simple at this point. There's only one scenario in which Boris probably loses.
It's one where Hunt is dirty enough and competent enough to engineer headlines in the Tory house papers along the lines of "Boris made me kill our babies, says ex-lover".
I thought in making abortion an issue by expressing his support for a lower time limit he was edging towards this.
But I suspect he recognises that winning like that would risk destroying the party, and losing like that would certainly end his career.
People may be reconciled to it being legal. Tory members to a man bullying his mistress into it so his wife doesn't find out he's knocked someone else up? Less sure.1 -
I think you may be confusing gin palace and trawler. Or canal boats I guess, but that would seem unlikely given social background of the average canal boater.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But if you were at a boat festival you must have been made aware of the hatred of the EU over fishing and the demands from the fishing communities to leave the EURoger said:
I'm surprised. I was in Scotland over the week-end at a boat festival and even the people on the Conservative stall thought the party a joke. I won't tell you the consensus on Johnson unless you assure me you have several medics on standbywilliamglenn said:
You're now reduced to quoting polls from the immediate aftermath of the referendum in 2016?!HYUFD said:
Yougov has shown most Scots back Brexit with a Canada style FTA for GB, it is only Brexit with No Deal they opposeAlistair said:The most important bit of the Brewer tweet is not that she's chucking the Union to deliver Brexit but that she is cancelling the Ruth Davidson project to do so. I always said that Davidson was riding the tiger with her all Brexit to all people strategy and now the piper is demanding to be paid for the tune.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1143893495956037632?s=19
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0
