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To all your lurkers, why not delurk? If you delurk, you won’t be saying, It’s the End of the World as We Know It, you’ll become Shiny Happy People.

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  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    FPT

    Come on Nick, stop pretending you are early a bed.

    Time shifting means you have four hours on the night.

    Report in please to ATC.
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    FPT SeanT, re Ben Judah. Not quite sure what Judah's real point is. How precisely is the UK betraying the US if it disagrees with proposed US policy which isn't even in place yet? And even if the UK is following a patently venal self-interest, what is wrong with that? And does the US not also sell residence to foreigners if they invest enough?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Are we getting an ICM tonight?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Bit surprising they are only 234 hotels in Moscow according to TripAdvisor, (with the Ibis Moscow Centre Bakhrushina at number 25):

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g298484-d4961665-Reviews-Ibis_Moscow_Centre_Bakhrushina-Moscow_Central_Russia.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    compouter2 said:

    Are we getting an ICM tonight?

    Don't think so.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    compouter2 said:

    Are we getting an ICM tonight?

    Don't think so.
    Ah well.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    compouter2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    compouter2 said:

    Are we getting an ICM tonight?

    Don't think so.
    Ah well.
    You'll be getting a Christ complex soon, 'pouter.

    Carry on. As you were.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Does article (1) mean we can post about Latvian homophobes again?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Charles said:

    Does article (1) mean we can post about Latvian homophobes again?

    Yes and I want you all to check out links 18 and 19.

    I'm really proud of them
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2014
    Charles said:

    Does article (1) mean we can post about Latvian homophobes again?

    Daniel Hannan's fair and balanced look at the EPP

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/9203573/Those_EPP_extremists_and_fascists_in_full/

    and ConHome's pieces the Party of European Socialists,

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/05/labours-unsavory-allies-.html

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/10/labours-unsavoury-allies-part-two.html

    seem appropriate. :-)
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    TSE I remember reading my first scientific study on zombies - an NIH paper IIRC - a couple of years back.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited March 2014
    Not related to anything much except that Ben Judah dude's search for Yetis but there's a theory the Tibetan high altitude genes came from breeding with some local version of Neanderthal so that might be where the myth comes from.

    edit: of if true not a myth i guess
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    TimT2 said:

    TSE I remember reading my first scientific study on zombies - an NIH paper IIRC - a couple of years back.

    I watched a show on the National Geographic Channel the other day, that looked at what would happen if there was an outbreak of Zombies (well a new virulent strain of Rabies)
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited March 2014
    How come the Guardian runs stories about UKIP having links to extremists, yet they never report on the terrorist supporters and 9/11 truthers in the Party of European Socialists?

    Oh, wait, it's because the Guardian is just a left wing Daily Mail.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    The Liberal Democrats are in the same grouping as ... Fianna Fail! Who should be more ashamed I ask you.
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    TSE Now you mention that, I do also remember CDC talking publicly about viral outbreaks which could make people act like zombies, and how public health authorities could react.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Neil said:

    The Liberal Democrats are in the same grouping as ... Fianna Fail! Who should be more ashamed I ask you.

    The Party of Brian Cowen vs the party of Charles Kennedy.

    Difficult choice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    edited March 2014
    TimT2 said:

    TSE Now you mention that, I do also remember CDC talking publicly about viral outbreaks which could make people act like zombies, and how public health authorities could react.

    It looked grim, public panic took over as those infected ending up infecting the medical professional who treated them.

    Quarantines and areas with no infections were set up.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    Thanks for the intriguing tip, Avery - tell us more (what were you doing here during your 5 years?). Not sure either wife or voters or employers would approve, so spent the evening virtuously catching up with office emails. Pathetic, eh?

    The Ibis is the Bakhrushina St one - Avery has sent earlier notes that recommend the area for sightseeing. I hope to explore tomorrow after my meetings (inter alia with a world bobsleigh champion who is also a former arm-wrestling champion and a vegan who disapproves of animal tests) - for now I can only say the area looks interesting and the staff are outstandingly nice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    edited March 2014
    One for tap and all conspiracy theorists every where

    BBC News (UK) ‏@BBCNews 1m

    Tuesday's Telegraph front page - "Iran's Lockerbie bombers" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

    pic.twitter.com/tGlHeqBNXW
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 9s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead at seven points: CON 32%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    MrJones said:

    Not related to anything much except that Ben Judah dude's search for Yetis but there's a theory the Tibetan high altitude genes came from breeding with some local version of Neanderthal so that might be where the myth comes from.

    edit: of if true not a myth i guess

    This guy's pretty convincing on macroevolution: http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html#.Ux40nfloT5M

    Fascinating subject. In particular his chimp pig hypothesis. It would make good telly if someone hasn't done it already. Failing that they should give him a spot on 'Thought for the day'. Shake things up a bit.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited March 2014
    I love selected fantasy and have a large library of what I consider the best in the genre.

    However the study of Zombies cannot be considered normal by any rational means. I mean to study a state of unbeing that doesn't exist in nature, is to my mind more than a little irrational; its plain madness.

    Mind you there is the case I suppose in the unbeing, barraco barna.
    http://www.itv.com/news/2014-03-10/barraco-barner-woman-hits-back-after-global-ridicule/
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 9s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead at seven points: CON 32%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    These dramatic changes are so exciting! I must go and lie down. Good night all.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    Another week closer to GE 2015 and still no sign of crossover
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    TSE I shudder at the thought of what would really happen if US authorities ever tried to impose quarantine on a large scale. Contagion had a go at the breakdown of law and order, but it is the likelihood of violence directed at the authorities trying to impose the quarantine that worries me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    edited March 2014
    TimT2 said:

    TSE I shudder at the thought of what would really happen if US authorities ever tried to impose quarantine on a large scale. Contagion had a go at the breakdown of law and order, but it is the likelihood of violence directed at the authorities trying to impose the quarantine that worries me.

    Went something like people created their own "Zombie" free zone, and other people tried to join it, but were rebuffed, then they got upset at the rebuff. violence and anarchy ensued.
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    MikeK I think the academic studies are a little more grounded than you are implying. There is a growing area of evidence that some successful pathogens have evolved to affect their hosts' perceptions and behaviours in manners which are beneficial to the pathogen and its spread. That is the 'zombie' element - a change in the functioning of the human brain and subconscious behavioural responses- not the undead bit.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Talk of the Tap made me curious about his take on the terrible events in Malaysia. He doesnt disappoint:

    "The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

    If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure."
  • TimT2TimT2 Posts: 45
    TSE Sounds about right. For a good read on this subject, Christ Recrucified by Nikos Kazantzakis.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    TimT2 said:

    TSE Sounds about right. For a good read on this subject, Christ Recrucified by Nikos Kazantzakis.

    Cheers, I'll try and get a copy of it.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Re: 16

    " ...nor should anyone doubt that the industrial policy of an independent Scotland, based on undercutting Corporation Tax by 3%, will be anything other than disastrous for employment in the cities and regions of north of England. "

    Labour now accepting that business taxes reduce employment?

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Most important news of the day

    Dan Wootton ‏@danwootton 9m

    BREAKING: Cheryl Cole signs a mega-bucks deal to return to The X Factor. Full exclusive story in @TheSunNewspaper tomorrow.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    One for tap and all conspiracy theorists every where

    BBC News (UK) ‏@BBCNews 1m

    Tuesday's Telegraph front page - "Iran's Lockerbie bombers" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers

    pic.twitter.com/tGlHeqBNXW

    Surely not. The bomber is dead - from cancer !
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeSmithson said:

    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.

    It is. Labour is going up !

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Neil said:

    Talk of the Tap made me curious about his take on the terrible events in Malaysia. He doesnt disappoint:

    "The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

    If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure."

    Wow
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Neil

    Finally I get you....are you ready for a partial update on Dulwich Labour race?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 9s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead at seven points: CON 32%, LAB 39%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    FFS! Onward Basil.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Neil said:

    Talk of the Tap made me curious about his take on the terrible events in Malaysia. He doesnt disappoint:

    "The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

    If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure."

    Bermuda Triangle?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Bring it on Andrea!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2014
    NickPalmer said:

    Thanks for the intriguing tip, Avery - tell us more (what were you doing here during your 5 years?). Not sure either wife or voters or employers would approve, so spent the evening virtuously catching up with office emails. Pathetic, eh?

    The night of arrival is probably the only free time you will get to view the Moscow nights, And Moscow really is a 24 hour city.

    I expect you will be well looked after by your hosts during the rest of the visit. My great sporting contact in Moscow was Vladislav Tretiak, the ice hockey goal-keeper whom I see is now head of their ice hockey federation. I have never shaken bigger hands!

    Memorable but unexpected things to do. Go to a Russian Orthodox service. I am not sure of the church calendar, but the concierge at the hotel might be able to help.

    Check the concerts at the Moscow conservatoire and Tchaikovsky Hall (also in Tverskaya!) and see if anything or anyone special is performing. The Bolshoi is also worth checking but it will break the bank if you order tickets yourself. If your hosts offer bite their hands off.

    The Tretyakov Gallery is impressive but needs a lot of time. Lots of 'Victorian' birch forests though which is not to everyone's tastes. The Repin portraits are worth seeing though. A Russian sauna is an experience but only if your hosts have access to the real McCoy out in the old party dacha. You won't get the real thing commercially (or it will be more like what you get in the UK which is not what I mean).

    Feeling hungry in the middle of the night, but not adventurous, then the American Bar and Grill is full and thriving and relatively cheap (again off Tverskaya). No surprises with the food but people watching unequalled.

    If you are hosting a dinner (unlikely I suspect as your hosts are most unlikely to allow you to do it) then the Boyarsky restaurant in the Metropole Hotel is a very pricey but fun experience (OK food but fabulous gypsy music minstrels).

    If you are invited to a dinner at home by your guests remember to take flowers. Roses can be bought at most arcades of kiosks. Russians being superstitious will insist on an odd number and the right colour (red is safe, yellow an insult!).

    If you want to watch the excessive consumption of the oligarch's families go to the underground shopping mall in Manezh Square (by the tomb of unknown soldier beneath the Kremlin walls. GUM if you have never been is worth a stroll. Runs alongside Red Square opposite Lenin's tomb.

    Resist international food if given a choice and ask for a typical Russian restaurant which is not oligarch aimed.

    Otherwise, get into that taxi!

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    bigjohnowls said:

    Another week closer to GE 2015 and still no sign of crossover

    July 2014 - The worlds end of crossover predictions for so many.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,208
    anotherDave said:

    Re: 16

    " ...nor should anyone doubt that the industrial policy of an independent Scotland, based on undercutting Corporation Tax by 3%, will be anything other than disastrous for employment in the cities and regions of north of England. "

    Labour now accepting that business taxes reduce employment?

    No, Labour accepting that your neighbour reducing business taxes reduces employment.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2014
    5. might be another vacant slot for UKIP to fill. They could become the low tax, small government option.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    OT. Just watched Grand Budapest Hotel. One of the best films I have seen in years. Almost poetic both in its vision and its language. Utterly engrossing and very highly recommended.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    @Richard

    Seeing it tomorrow. Have always been pleasantly surprised by Wes Anderson movies.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Neil

    Reminder: ward branches can do 2 nominations. They can add a third nomination for a BAME candidate if the none of the first 2 noms were for a BAME candidate.

    I don't have info on the BAME nominations (except for one ward) but we may consider it a sort of third choice unless members have some not so straight forward way of acting (like "as I've a third nom for a BAME, I start voting for 2 white ladies even if my favourite candidate is BAME").

    Anyway, in terms of first 2 nominations from ward branches....

    Fiona Twycross received nominations from 7 wards: East Dulwich, Village, Knight’s Hill, Coldharbour, Herne Ville, Gipsy Hill, College.

    Helen Hayes received nominations from 5 ward branches: College, Village, East Dulwich, Thurlow Park, Knight’s Hill

    Sally Prentice has 1 ward, Coldharbour.

    Amy Lame also has at least 1 ward.

    As the constituency has 8 wards, there should be 16 nominations in totals (excluding BAME additional nomination)....so there are 2 other nominations (Thurlow Park, Herne Ville or Gipsy Hill)

    Shortlisting was yesterday....Twycross, Hayes, Prentice and Lame made it...not sure who (if) else
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Andrea - are you telling me it's too late for Dora?! :(
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Neil- I think she's saving herself this time.....Twycross frontrunner followed by Hayes?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @Andrea

    I'm 100% behind Amy Lame - she's even better than Dora!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Wife of the Saudi king on Newsnight telling Paxman her daughters are being kept as virtual prisoners.
  • TomTom Posts: 273
    Denise Scott macdonald plus those you already know in dulwich I think. Very close between FT & Hh.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,257
    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Can one get by in Moscow with English?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited March 2014
    Thanks. DSM was the BAME nomination in the only ward I knew the full slate. She's a council candidate in Greenwich for May elections.

    The other 4 have a website devoted to the selection
    http://www.fionatwycross.org/
    http://www.helenhayes.org.uk/
    http://www.amylame.com/
    http://www.sallyprentice.org.uk/
    Tom said:

    Denise Scott macdonald plus those you already know in dulwich I think. Very close between FT & Hh.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    OT. Just watched Grand Budapest Hotel. One of the best films I have seen in years. Almost poetic both in its vision and its language. Utterly engrossing and very highly recommended.

    I've been a big fan of Stefan Zweig since Theodore Dalrymple wrote an article about him a few years ago:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_oh_to_be.html
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Can one get by in Moscow with English?

    Not easily, Andy.

    You could go on an organised tour but you would miss the real city.

    An intrepid independent traveller could hire a translator/guide and a car and driver and would be fine. If you avoid the obvious places for targeting ads at foreigners, then neither translator nor driver would be expensive. Prepare in advance and they may even be able to find you an apartment too which would be much cheaper than staying in an hotel.

    The classified ads in The Moscow Times (English language) would be a good place to start. English speaking students at MGU (Moscow State University), for example, often earn extra money for translation and guide work. Semi retired English teachers also advertise. Generally Muscovites like these will move heaven and earth to help you.

    Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, but unlike others in this group, it can also be quite cheap. You just need to know where and how to buy. For example a renovated apartment aimed at an expat would be marketed at $5,000 per month (+/- $1000). Nearly the same flat (less bling but clean and comfortable) could be got for $500-$1000 per month.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    It ought to be Birmingham but won't be because everyone's so prejudiced against the place.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    it doesn't have quite the potential of Liverpool-Manc-Leeds, and also it is just too near to London.

    How about Glasgow-Belfast-Dublin?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @SeanT

    Have you ever been to Liverpool?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,113
    Betting Post:

    Hills are paying 5 places at 1/4 odds in the Supreme Novices.

    The overround on their book is 130% for the win, 383% for the place. Since they are paying 5 places does this mean their book is essentially over-broke on the place side and thus there must be some value there ?

    I'm sure there's tonnes of other calculations for Cheltenham like this but just thought I'd point it out as a starter for 10.

    Do my calculations sound correct too ?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @SeanT

    I dont think Canal Street has much to offer to the lesbians of Leeds.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    It ought to be Birmingham but won't be because everyone's so prejudiced against the place.
    Manchester surpassed Brum years ago as a second city. You'd have to knock a lot of Brum down and start again, so constrained is it by the concrete collars of 1960s ring roads. Nah, Manchester is where it's at - GM mayor, rapid links to Liverpool and Leeds, expanded tramlink. It will never catch up with London but would at least be an interesting alternative. Unlike Brum.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    edited March 2014
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    @SeanT

    Have you ever been to Liverpool?

    Yes. There is a Catholic problem there, I admit - (didn't Everton used to be the Catholic team and Liverpool the Protestant team, like Celtic/Rangers in Glasgow?) = however the Scouser papists should be sufficiently outnumbered by loyalists in Manchester and Leeds.

    Also the gay scene in Manchester would be boosted by trans-Pennine gayers, as Canal Street becomes THE gay capital of late industrial provincial Europe. You should approve.
    Canal Street already is gay capital of Europe.

    Poptastic and its choice of music proves that!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    MikeSmithson said:

    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.

    Are you saying it was just froth?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    Canal Street already is gay capital of Europe.

    Poptastic and its choice of music proves that!

    You need to visit Berlin.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    @SeanT

    Have you ever been to Liverpool?

    Yes. There is a Catholic problem there, I admit - (didn't Everton used to be the Catholic team and Liverpool the Protestant team, like Celtic/Rangers in Glasgow?) = however the Scouser papists should be sufficiently outnumbered by loyalists in Manchester and Leeds.

    Also the gay scene in Manchester would be boosted by trans-Pennine gayers, as Canal Street becomes THE gay capital of late industrial provincial Europe. You should approve.
    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational. Scottish cities with two clubs tend to be, and by some measure the two north London clubs are (catholic/Jewish). But strangely not in Liverpool, despite that cities Scots-like religious demographics.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:


    Canal Street already is gay capital of Europe.

    Poptastic and its choice of music proves that!

    You need to visit Berlin.
    I have, I've been to all the major gay capitals of the world.

    Although I've dressed up as the Indian from the Village People in San Francisco, nothing tops a good night out in Poptastic, headbanging to Kylie or Tiffany's I Think We're Alone Now
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    London based journalist for London based media organisation, thinks that London is the bees knees and the rest of us poor provincial peasants should ape their ways.

    Not even a hint of hubris, is there?
    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    BobaFett said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.

    Are you saying it was just froth?
    *groan*

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,257
    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    Why not have a Manchester-Leeds-Sheffield city then.

    You'd be getting rid of the Scousers and have lots of lovely countryside in the middle.

    It would be approximately in the centre of England as well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    BobaFett said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.

    Are you saying it was just froth?
    It was a storm in a tea coffee cup
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2014
    BobaFett said:


    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational.

    No it isn't, although it is not as clear cut as in the other places you mention. There is, nevertheless, a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton (ironically one of the most Protestant districts in the city.)

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,257
    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    I still think my idea of renaming regional airports as London Manchester, London Birmingham etc for image purposes overseas has potential.

    Or as we have a 'Robin Hood' airport why not rename them in touristy fashion:

    London Beatles (aka Liverpool)
    London United (aka Manchester)
    London Shakespeare (aka Birmingham)
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational.

    No it isn't, although it is not as clear cut as in the other places you mention. There is, nevertheless, a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton (ironically one of the most Protestant districts in the city.)

    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational.

    No it isn't, although it is not as clear cut as in the other places you mention. There is, nevertheless, a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton (ironically one of the most Protestant districts in the city.)

    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2014
    SeanT said:


    Let's do it! (of course we won't)

    Liverpool might look like this in a decade or so...
    http://www.merseyreporter.com/new-liverpool/Waterfront_jpg.jpg

    Developer's stated aim: "to rival cities such as Dubai, Vancouver, New York and Shanghai."
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    In the early 1960s Birmingham was more prosperous than London. Politicians actually held discussions on how to keep a lid on economic growth in the West Midlands which was pulling away from the rest of the country at an alarming rate.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BobaFett said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    It ought to be Birmingham but won't be because everyone's so prejudiced against the place.
    Manchester surpassed Brum years ago as a second city. You'd have to knock a lot of Brum down and start again, so constrained is it by the concrete collars of 1960s ring roads. Nah, Manchester is where it's at - GM mayor, rapid links to Liverpool and Leeds, expanded tramlink. It will never catch up with London but would at least be an interesting alternative. Unlike Brum.
    Have you actually been to Birmingham recently?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Fox

    His conclusion was that we'd be best to focus on regional capitals like Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Nottingham etc rather than spreading investment too thinly to the Barnsleys of this world. It makes sense.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AveryLP said:

    AndyJS said:

    Can one get by in Moscow with English?

    Not easily, Andy.

    You could go on an organised tour but you would miss the real city.

    An intrepid independent traveller could hire a translator/guide and a car and driver and would be fine. If you avoid the obvious places for targeting ads at foreigners, then neither translator nor driver would be expensive. Prepare in advance and they may even be able to find you an apartment too which would be much cheaper than staying in an hotel.

    The classified ads in The Moscow Times (English language) would be a good place to start. English speaking students at MGU (Moscow State University), for example, often earn extra money for translation and guide work. Semi retired English teachers also advertise. Generally Muscovites like these will move heaven and earth to help you.

    Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, but unlike others in this group, it can also be quite cheap. You just need to know where and how to buy. For example a renovated apartment aimed at an expat would be marketed at $5,000 per month (+/- $1000). Nearly the same flat (less bling but clean and comfortable) could be got for $500-$1000 per month.

    Thanks for the advice Avery.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    GeoffM said:

    BobaFett said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    LAB on 39 again in latest YouGov - it's begininng tp look as though the party's attack on Waitrose for providing free coffee for card-holders is not having an impact in the polls.

    Are you saying it was just froth?
    *groan*

    I knew that one would perk you up @GeoffM
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AndyJS said:

    BobaFett said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    It ought to be Birmingham but won't be because everyone's so prejudiced against the place.
    Manchester surpassed Brum years ago as a second city. You'd have to knock a lot of Brum down and start again, so constrained is it by the concrete collars of 1960s ring roads. Nah, Manchester is where it's at - GM mayor, rapid links to Liverpool and Leeds, expanded tramlink. It will never catch up with London but would at least be an interesting alternative. Unlike Brum.
    Have you actually been to Birmingham recently?
    Yes. Parts have improved but it's too constrained and its rapid transit is poor compared to Manchester.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    BobaFett said:


    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

    FFS, the letter from Mark Hoskisson in your link provides such evidence...

    I say again, there was a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton over Liverpool.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    SeanT said:

    Alternatively, we could do nothing, and London - including ME! - will just race away, ever faster and further, from you pathetic bumpkins with your negative equity and your strange, suet based diet.

    Face it: you need to persuade people like me - rich, influential Londoners - that we should give a F about people like you, despite your crude manners and your strange, unpleasant, provincial skin conditions. Because all your politicians live near me, in London. Everyone who matters is a Londoner.

    If you continue to act the fool, we will sell you to Putin.

    The TBTF banks can't survive on their own. No-one can trust financial institutions with capital ratios of 33:1 (securitized into the stratosphere) unless the potential downside is back-stopped by taxpayer guarantees from a large enough number of tax-serfs. It's why the TBTF banks can't stay in an independent Scotland - not enough people to provide a big enough taxpayer guarantee.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    A fool and his money are soon parted, and there are plenty of fools in London.

    I lived in London for six years, and have to go down there for meetings a few times each year, and also visit my brother there. I know what it is like.

    There are far nicer cities to live in Europe (I particularly took to Berlin during last summers tour), and far more pleasant places to live in the UK.

    But each to their own.
    SeanT said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    London based journalist for London based media organisation, thinks that London is the bees knees and the rest of us poor provincial peasants should ape their ways.

    Not even a hint of hubris, is there?

    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?





    Alternatively, we could do nothing, and London - including ME! - will just race away, ever faster and further, from you pathetic bumpkins with your negative equity and your strange, suet based diet.

    Face it: you need to persuade people like me - rich, influential Londoners - that we should give a F about people like you, despite your crude manners and your strange, unpleasant, provincial skin conditions. Because all your politicians live near me, in London. Everyone who matters is a Londoner.

    If you continue to act the fool, we will sell you to Putin.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited March 2014
    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

    FFS, the letter from Mark Hoskisson in your link provides such evidence...

    I say again, there was a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton over Liverpool.
    edited in case it was a test
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    SeanT said:

    BobaFett said:

    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational.

    No it isn't, although it is not as clear cut as in the other places you mention. There is, nevertheless, a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton (ironically one of the most Protestant districts in the city.)

    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    It's a complete myth that the football teams in Liverpool are/were denominational.

    No it isn't, although it is not as clear cut as in the other places you mention. There is, nevertheless, a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton (ironically one of the most Protestant districts in the city.)

    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp
    Rod Crosby is a well-informed and hereditary Scouser. I wouldn't dismiss him so lightly.
    Lots of Scousers think there is a link, but whenever any serious research has been done, researchers found no link at all. Both clubs were started by Methodists and there is no statistical significant difference in their support's denomination. As Rod himself says both clubs are based near the Everton district, which is mainly Protestant (Everton FC is not actually in Everton, but near, as is Anfield)
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited March 2014
    An excellent article about Russia's excusers in the West:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/09/how-to-justify-russian-aggression.html

    Particularly on the lazy points about there being a minority of fascists among the Ukrainian protesters. It's just an attempt to muddy the water to excuse inaction. "Yes, that girl is getting raped, but she once shop lifted and the guy has genuine reasons to be upset that we told her to leave him..."

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    SeanT said:

    Slightly miss tim when it comes to the Nigel Evans case. He would have been entertainingly caustic.

    I very much doubt it. The contempt of court laws would prevent any comment at all.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

    FFS, the letter from Mark Hoskisson in your link provides such evidence...

    I say again, there was a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton over Liverpool.
    Read on. It's a myth.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,257
    SeanT said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    London based journalist for London based media organisation, thinks that London is the bees knees and the rest of us poor provincial peasants should ape their ways.

    Not even a hint of hubris, is there?

    SeanT said:

    another_richard said:

    So the summary of the Evan Davis programs seems to be that London is a centre of economic wonder and we all need to be more like it.

    Now forgive me for being a little curious but how is it with this beacon to economic progress which London has apparantly become in the last decade the UK's productivity performance is so poor and in particular that services productivity (what with the London economy being overwhelmingly services based) is lower than it was seven years ago.

    Another need for Emperor's New Clothes / Wizard of Oz similies perhaps ?

    I thought Evan Davis's two part program was excellent. And his diagnosis spot on.

    Britain needs a second city as a national hub, to give London a run for its money (even if it inevitably loses). None of our northern cities quite hack it individually - but a combined northern metropolis - Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds - would be a heck of a place (and no more spread out than LA).

    The £50bn (or whatever) we are wasting on HS2 (and which will just funnel more money and people into London, even faster, from Brum and the North) could instead be spent turning the Lancs-Yorks conurbation into a true city - with fast, unified transport links, and proper infrastructure.

    This city would be one of the great cities of Europe, albeit not quite a global hub like London. It would have several first class universities, a population of 4-5 million (or more), fantastic potential for agglomerative growth, plenty or ports, airports, motorways. It would indeed be LA to London's New York, Hong Kong to London's Beijing: a necessary counterweight.

    Let's do it! (of course we won't)




    Alternatively, we could do nothing, and London - including ME! - will just race away, ever faster and further, from you pathetic bumpkins with your negative equity and your strange, suet based diet.

    Face it: you need to persuade people like me - rich, influential Londoners - that we should give a F about people like you, despite your crude manners and your strange, unpleasant, provincial skin conditions. Because all your politicians live near me, in London. Everyone who matters is a Londoner.

    If you continue to act the fool, we will sell you to Putin.
    Londoners work harder, pay more taxes and have lower standards of living.

    Now who does that make the fool ?

    And the really funny thing is that Londoners are too smug to realise that they're being made fools of.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Richard
    Where is your evidence that Londoners have a lower standard of living?

    They have the highest disposable income, which is one measure - how are you measuring it?

    http://www.debtadvisorycentre.co.uk/advice/a-look-at-disposable-incomes
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Fox

    You say this but my job doesn't exist outside London. I recall that you are a doctor, so can work where you choose. I rather love London, but it's not for everyone, and I suspect your picturesque village (or wherever you live) suits you as London suits me.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Socrates said:

    An excellent article about Russia's excusers in the West:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/09/how-to-justify-russian-aggression.html

    Particularly on the lazy points about there being a minority of fascists among the Ukrainian protesters. It's just an attempt to muddy the water to excuse inaction. "Yes, that girl is getting raped, but she once shop lifted and the guy has genuine reasons to be upset that we told her to leave him..."

    True or not the TBTF banks and their 33:1 capital ratio meant the EU / US / UK were never going to do anything more than bluff. At that ratio the TBTF banks go insolvent in a strong breeze let alone a proper crisis - as shown by Cameron's little mate flashing the UK govt's intentions to the papers.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited March 2014
    BobaFett said:

    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    There's no evidence for that. It's a myth.
    http://toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

    FFS, the letter from Mark Hoskisson in your link provides such evidence...

    I say again, there was a distinct tendency for Catholics to support Everton over Liverpool.
    Read on. It's a myth.
    Pardon moi for butting in, however the reason there is an historical link of catholics supporting Everton is touched on in the link given. It started when Houlding fell out with Everton over the rent at Anfield, which was when Liverpool FC was formed (after an unsuccessful attempt of calling his new team Everton which was knocked back by the league). One of the problems he then had was the majority of the team followed the club to Mere Green (now Goodison) which only left him with a few players. He then had to rely on his friends in the Lodge to look around for replacements, many of who were from Scotland. In fact the majority of his first team in their first season where Scotch protestant players. This obviously gave what was at the time still a split city on religious terms an excuse for parts of it to support different teams. There has through both clubs histories contradictions to this. Everton were formed through a methodist church, many Irish players have played for Liverpool, the Orange Lodge on their march through Liverpool parades up Netherfield Road past St Johns Tower (the prison positioned in the middle of the Everton badge), Everton have had many Rangers player, however, there has always been an historical Everton Catholic/Liverpool protestant link, even if recently thankfully it means sod all.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    BobaFett said:


    Lots of Scousers think there is a link, but ....

    With respect, that is all that really matters, isn't it?

    Speaking anecdotally, as neither a football supporter nor a practising Catholic, I can say that among my extended family of about 20 persons, who are mostly both, there is not one Liverpool supporter, and several of them mutter about the "anti-Catholicism" and "Freemasonry" associated with the club. I repeat, however, that this is anecdotal...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,257
    BobaFett said:

    @Richard
    Where is your evidence that Londoners have a lower standard of living?

    They have the highest disposable income, which is one measure - how are you measuring it?

    http://www.debtadvisorycentre.co.uk/advice/a-look-at-disposable-incomes

    The link doesn't seem to work so I can't comment on that.

    But while Londoners do get paid more than non-Londoners (although not that much more) the cost of living there, in particular housing, is significantly higher.

    From personal anecdote my old uni friends who moved to London have far lower living standards than those who didn't.

    While in PBland NPMP had a posh bungalow in a posh suburb of Nottingham whilst NPXMP rents a flat above a shop in London.

    Not to mention SeanT and his one bed Camden town flat ;-)

    London incomes are skewed upwards by the greater number of professional people living there but if you compare the living standards a Londoner has compared with a non-Londoner doing the same job the non-Londoner will be better off.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    RodCrosby said:

    BobaFett said:


    Lots of Scousers think there is a link, but ....

    With respect, that is all that really matters, isn't it?

    Speaking anecdotally, as neither a football supporter nor a practising Catholic, I can say that among my extended family of about 20 persons, who are mostly both, there is not one Liverpool supporter, and several of them mutter about the "anti-Catholicism" and "Freemasonry" associated with the club. I repeat, however, that this is anecdotal...
    I remember a chap from Liverpool I once worked with said in the 50's and 60's there was still a Catholic/Prodestant problem in the city, with "mixed" relationships still frowned upon in certain areas. To find out if the "Judy" you were chatting up was of the correct religion, instead of coming straight out with it, you would ask her which team she supported. If she was a blue she was a "Pape", if she was a red she was a "Proddy".
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    That should have read Price Ruperts Tower on Netherfield Road....my bad.
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