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Campaigners’ reports from the doorstep miraculously reflect their own views 99% of the time. It’s just one of those inexplicable coincidences.Drutt said:
The campaigners' reports from the doorsteps do rather suggest otherwise.anothernick said:
Yes this is quite a likely scenario I think. Up to now I have been expecting a second referendum but I am beginning to wonder if there will just be an endless series of extensions and eventually A50 will be revoked because everyone will have forgotten what was the point of leaving in the first place.MikeL said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Brexit features in the news media going forward.anothernick said:
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis._Anazina_ said:Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
For a long time now, it's been the number 1 story on TV news almost every single day.
But TV news editors must be conscious that people have short attention spans and will be getting bored.
If there's a short extension then of course it'll remain prominent. But if there's a long extension I do wonder whether TV news editors are going to dramatically reduce its prominence - and if they do then to some extent it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy - less publicity = people lose interest = people move onto other things = politicians move onto other things. And it's then less of a stretch to just not bother - forget it and abandon it.0 -
BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.0
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IIRC, scientists in concentration camps had to write dissertations which were then published under her name.YBarddCwsc said:
The famous “chemist” Elena Ceausescu amassed over a hundred honorary degrees and honorary professorships.
She was honoured by the UK’s Royal Institute for Chemistry and the University of London for her “distinguished scientific achievements in macromolecular chemistry”.
I think I rest my case. It is better to get rid of these “honours” which demean the giver, but pander to the vanity of the recipient.
There is no need for honorary degrees or honorary professorships or honorary anything.
She really got what she deserved at the end.0 -
It may well be that what concerns the other leaders more is less Britain's position but why France is so keen to see Britain out. If they feel that this is a power play by France to grab more power within the EU that may push the others into pushing back against French demands, purely to stop Macron behaving like the effective ruler of the EU.HYUFD said:
I must say that were I the EU I would be tempted to say that I have little faith that the WA will be voted on by Parliament and that the only real choice is either a WA approved in a referendum or Revoke or No Deal and that the extension is being given to allow time for one of these three choices to be made. This fiction about talks leading to a PD which will allow MPs to vote for a WA they have rejected three times already is just that, a fiction.
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Someone should do a cartoon where the men in white coats and the men in grey suits all arrive at No 10 at once, only to discover May is on a walking holiday in Wales.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1116076559457247233
I hear the flap of white coats.0 -
Polly Toynbee thinks it’s a cross-party ruse to get the extension.glw said:
The fact that discussions are still going suggests that they are going better than I would have expected.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1116076559457247233
I hear the flap of white coats.0 -
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
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What were you doing in East Germany?kyf_100 said:
Well, I walked into that oneTheScreamingEagles said:
Diane Abbott did.kyf_100 said:It's a two quid bet at those odds, for sure. How quickly we forget... Did anybody really see Corbyn coming?
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Macron could did his heels in but given his commitment to the European federalist ideal I'm guessing he will concede to the majority.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
Not sure if I can manage to stay up late enough to find out tonight.0 -
Goodness! Were you a UCS boy?Sean_F said:
UCS and Exeter beats both.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:
My education was mostly from the books I took out of Swiss Cottage library. Oh - and poetry books. Plus the very odd collection of novels and history books my Italian family had.0 -
Tony Blair has been "advising" Macron (but we don't know what he's been saying) of course...Cyclefree said:
It may well be that what concerns the other leaders more is less Britain's position but why France is so keen to see Britain out. If they feel that this is a power play by France to grab more power within the EU that may push the others into pushing back against French demands, purely to stop Macron behaving like the effective ruler of the EU.HYUFD said:
I must say that were I the EU I would be tempted to say that I have little faith that the WA will be voted on by Parliament and that the only real choice is either a WA approved in a referendum or Revoke or No Deal and that the extension is being given to allow time for one of these three choices to be made. This fiction about talks leading to a PD which will allow MPs to vote for a WA they have rejected three times already is just that, a fiction.
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Someone should do a cartoon where the men in white coats and the men in grey suits all arrive at No 10 at once, only to discover May is on a walking holiday in Wales.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1116076559457247233
I hear the flap of white coats.
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I think enough Labour MPs from Leave seats would vote for the Deal over Revoke or No Deal, it may be May leaves MPs to make the final decision on the PDCyclefree said:
It may well be that what concerns the other leaders more is less Britain's position but why France is so keen to see Britain out. If they feel that this is a power play by France to grab more power within the EU that may push the others into pushing back against French demands, purely to stop Macron behaving like the effective ruler of the EU.HYUFD said:
I must say that were I the EU I would be tempted to say that I have little faith that the WA will be voted on by Parliament and that the only real choice is either a WA approved in a referendum or Revoke or No Deal and that the extension is being given to allow time for one of these three choices to be made. This fiction about talks leading to a PD which will allow MPs to vote for a WA they have rejected three times already is just that, a fiction.0 -
We don't know if they have any conditions but if they do and they are illegal, they won't matter because the ECJ will quash them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court0 -
Macca should call their bluff and go longer - 12 April 2021.Benpointer said:
Macron could did his heels in but given his commitment to the European federalist ideal I'm guessing he will concede to the majority.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
Not sure if I can manage to stay up late enough to find out tonight.0 -
It would get my vote._Anazina_ said:
Macca should call their bluff and go longer - 12 April 2021.Benpointer said:
Macron could did his heels in but given his commitment to the European federalist ideal I'm guessing he will concede to the majority.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
Not sure if I can manage to stay up late enough to find out tonight.0 -
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Come on, I know it's nothing special, but there's no need to be so mean to Rugby._Anazina_ said:
What you want is a grubby comp in a nondescript midlands town. Unbeatable.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:0 -
You can make the continued extension dependent on conditions being met, though, without legally restricting anything. You just need the threat of ending the extension.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court
The ECJ would have no input.
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CORRECT (Except Neil Hamilton went there too).ydoethur said:
And pointless. After all, we all know the greatest university in the world is Aberystwyth._Anazina_ said:Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
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Good for us to agree again BenBenpointer said:
We don't know if they have any conditions but if they do and they are illegal, they won't matter because the ECJ will quash them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
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Yes indeed - I must have overlooked your last sentence - sorry.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for us to agree again BenBenpointer said:
We don't know if they have any conditions but if they do and they are illegal, they won't matter because the ECJ will quash them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court0 -
That the port going round ?Scott_P said:0 -
That would be a triumph for her, at least as far as her tenure as PM goes.MarqueeMark said:
She'll be gone by December.IanB2 said:May sets herself to stay until 2020:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/may-brexit-extension-delay-prime-minister-resign-2020-a8864286.html
She knows we get reports of what she says to the EU, right? In what universe does the WA pass? Not one where we have a long extension, that's for sure.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1116076559457247233
I hear the flap of white coats.
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How does 17 for long and one for short leave the room leaning towards short, that's clever.HYUFD said:0 -
He went to Cambridge as well. They keep very quiet about it.TheValiant said:
CORRECT (Except Neil Hamilton went there too).ydoethur said:
And pointless. After all, we all know the greatest university in the world is Aberystwyth._Anazina_ said:Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
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I think people are both fed up and becoming disinterested with the minutiae but also incredulous that Parliament is unable to reach a consensus after the instruction.Drutt said:
The campaigners' reports from the doorsteps do rather suggest otherwise.anothernick said:
Yes this is quite a likely scenario I think. Up to now I have been expecting a second referendum but I am beginning to wonder if there will just be an endless series of extensions and eventually A50 will be revoked because everyone will have forgotten what was the point of leaving in the first place.MikeL said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Brexit features in the news media going forward.anothernick said:
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis._Anazina_ said:Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
For a long time now, it's been the number 1 story on TV news almost every single day.
But TV news editors must be conscious that people have short attention spans and will be getting bored.
If there's a short extension then of course it'll remain prominent. But if there's a long extension I do wonder whether TV news editors are going to dramatically reduce its prominence - and if they do then to some extent it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy - less publicity = people lose interest = people move onto other things = politicians move onto other things. And it's then less of a stretch to just not bother - forget it and abandon it.0 -
You cannot threaten a member with meps and paying into the budget, it would be thrown out of courtNigelb said:
You can make the continued extension dependent on conditions being met, though, without legally restricting anything. You just need the threat of ending the extension.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court
The ECJ would have no input.0 -
Michael Crick, Channel 4 News’s political correspondent since 2011, has abruptly parted company with the broadcaster.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/10/michael-crick-makes-surprise-exit-from-channel-4-news0 -
This is the EU remembersolarflare said:
How does 17 for long and one for short leave the room leaning towards short, that's clever.HYUFD said:0 -
From 1978 to 1985Cyclefree said:
Goodness! Were you a UCS boy?Sean_F said:
UCS and Exeter beats both.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:
My education was mostly from the books I took out of Swiss Cottage library. Oh - and poetry books. Plus the very odd collection of novels and history books my Italian family had.0 -
I think it's '3 open but leaning towards short'.solarflare said:
How does 17 for long and one for short leave the room leaning towards short, that's clever.HYUFD said:0 -
Something about to come out in the Sunday papers?FrancisUrquhart said:Michael Crick, Channel 4 News’s political correspondent since 2011, has abruptly parted company with the broadcaster.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/10/michael-crick-makes-surprise-exit-from-channel-4-news 0 -
Macron will insist on it taking in the Tour de France.....Scott_P said:0 -
Ah I see, that makes more sense, thanks!!Benpointer said:
I think it's '3 open but leaning towards short'.solarflare said:
How does 17 for long and one for short leave the room leaning towards short, that's clever.HYUFD said:0 -
That does not seem to be the situation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot threaten a member with meps and paying into the budget, it would be thrown out of courtNigelb said:
You can make the continued extension dependent on conditions being met, though, without legally restricting anything. You just need the threat of ending the extension.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court
The ECJ would have no input.
They are (potentially) offering an extension voluntarily, in return for the UK voluntarily offering not to exercise some of its membership rights.
That does not prevent the UK exercising those rights - and in turn that would not prevent the 27 ending the extension (presumably at checkpoints to be agreed as part of the deal).
I’m not in favour of any of this, but I don’t see that the ECJ would prevent it.
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Spot on. Sadly.Scott_P said:0 -
“Brexit delay beyond 30 June would 'jeopardise EU', says Macron”0
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We know what the EU council had for dinner but do we know what Mrs May and her advisers ate? It could be her last supper as PM.0
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Thanks. My two sons went there and I was at South Hampstead. Small world etc....Sean_F said:
From 1978 to 1985Cyclefree said:
Goodness! Were you a UCS boy?Sean_F said:
UCS and Exeter beats both.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:
My education was mostly from the books I took out of Swiss Cottage library. Oh - and poetry books. Plus the very odd collection of novels and history books my Italian family had.0 -
It is a very grey area much like all of brexitNigelb said:
That does not seem to be the situation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You cannot threaten a member with meps and paying into the budget, it would be thrown out of courtNigelb said:
You can make the continued extension dependent on conditions being met, though, without legally restricting anything. You just need the threat of ending the extension.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But what are their conditions and are they legal.IanB2 said:BBC says 17 countries so far arguing for long extension.
You cannot restrict a full member or their meps if they want to be difficult. The ECJ would throw them out of court
The ECJ would have no input.
They are (potentially) offering an extension voluntarily, in return for the UK voluntarily offering not to exercise some of its membership rights.
That does not prevent the UK exercising those rights - and in turn that would not prevent the 27 ending the extension (presumably at checkpoints to be agreed as part of the deal).
I’m not in favour of any of this, but I don’t see that the ECJ would prevent it.0 -
Control comes when we have actually left and released ourselves from the grip of the EUScott_P said:0 -
Eton Mess.brendan16 said:We know what the EU council had for dinner but do we know what Mrs May and her advisers ate? It could be her last supper as PM.
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Time to bid good night folks
Who knows where we go from here
Have a great nights rest everyone0 -
Lolralphmalph said:
Eton Mess.brendan16 said:We know what the EU council had for dinner but do we know what Mrs May and her advisers ate? It could be her last supper as PM.
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Telegraph:
New bid to oust Theresa May as MPs attempt to gather 10,000 signatures to change the Tory constitution0 -
Obviously talking about Oundle.blueblue said:
Come on, I know it's nothing special, but there's no need to be so mean to Rugby._Anazina_ said:
What you want is a grubby comp in a nondescript midlands town. Unbeatable.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:0 -
Where do I sign?rottenborough said:Telegraph:
New bid to oust Theresa May as MPs attempt to gather 10,000 signatures to change the Tory constitution0 -
You too Big_G!Big_G_NorthWales said:Time to bid good night folks
Who knows where we go from here
Have a great nights rest everyone0 -
more like crow pieralphmalph said:
Eton Mess.brendan16 said:We know what the EU council had for dinner but do we know what Mrs May and her advisers ate? It could be her last supper as PM.
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Katya Adler of the BBC, and the best journalist on European affairs, has just said on the BBC it is going to be a very long night
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Uppingham.TOPPING said:
Obviously talking about Oundle.blueblue said:
Come on, I know it's nothing special, but there's no need to be so mean to Rugby._Anazina_ said:
What you want is a grubby comp in a nondescript midlands town. Unbeatable.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said:0 -
Crick crocked?GIN1138 said:
Something about to come out in the Sunday papers?FrancisUrquhart said:Michael Crick, Channel 4 News’s political correspondent since 2011, has abruptly parted company with the broadcaster.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/10/michael-crick-makes-surprise-exit-from-channel-4-news
Where's my coat?0 -
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Perhaps Germany said short?solarflare said:
How does 17 for long and one for short leave the room leaning towards short, that's clever.HYUFD said:0 -
The level of lunacy probably goes up as the pubs shut and the home drinking kicks in.Recidivist said:0 -
Um no. Given we are still members, what this shows is that inside the EU we have no control at all. This situation is a perfect example of what it will be like permanently for the UK if we do not leave now.Benpointer said:
Spot on. Sadly.Scott_P said:0 -
_Anazina_ said:
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Uppingham.TOPPING said:
Obviously talking about Oundle.blueblue said:
Come on, I know it's nothing special, but there's no need to be so mean to Rugby._Anazina_ said:
What you want is a grubby comp in a nondescript midlands town. Unbeatable.blueblue said:
Westminster and Christ Church certainly beats Eton and Trinity (Trinity Oxford at least; Trinity Cambridge would tie).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Westminster a better school than Eton? Discuss....HYUFD said: 0 -
After she has burned the tory party to the ground and the country with it?MarqueeMark said:
She'll be gone by December.IanB2 said:May sets herself to stay until 2020:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/may-brexit-extension-delay-prime-minister-resign-2020-a8864286.html0 -
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
It really isn’t.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. Given we are still members, what this shows is that inside the EU we have no control at all. This situation is a perfect example of what it will be like permanently for the UK if we do not leave now.Benpointer said:
Spot on. Sadly.Scott_P said:
What we’re asking for is a temporary extension of our membership, which we have voluntarily taken steps to surrender. That has bugger all to do with our legal ability to exercise our membership rights while we are members.
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Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
That's absurd. Sure, for domestic purpose he needs to give the impression that he fought tooth and nail against perfidious Albion. But there doesn't need to be any reality to it, they just need to smoke cigars, drink cognac and exchange salacious jokes for a few hours and then emerge looking dishevelled saying what a tough negotiation it was, but they managed to stay united.HYUFD said:0 -
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Watch this space.....FrancisUrquhart said:Michael Crick, Channel 4 News’s political correspondent since 2011, has abruptly parted company with the broadcaster.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/10/michael-crick-makes-surprise-exit-from-channel-4-news0 -
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. If all it is that he needs to look the toughest on us for his domestic politics that's not that big a deal.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's absurd. Sure, for domestic purpose he needs to give the impression that he fought tooth and nail against perfidious Albion. But there doesn't need to be any reality to it, they just need to smoke cigars, drink cognac and exchange salacious jokes for a few hours and then emerge looking dishevelled saying what a tough negotiation it was, but they managed to stay united.HYUFD said:0 -
Marcon the hero of leave ? Tremendous..0
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Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
#francois19
#nodeal
#keepitrightwing
#watford2mancity0
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No, that would be no Deal and the loss of Scotland and a United Irelandanothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
He's the man who can finally deliver Con Gain Bootle, right?Ave_it said:#francois19
#nodeal
#keepitrightwing
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Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
Surely inside the EU we would have a veto power exactly as every one of the 27 now has over us and the timeframe for our departure?Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. Given we are still members, what this shows is that inside the EU we have no control at all. This situation is a perfect example of what it will be like permanently for the UK if we do not leave now.Benpointer said:
Spot on. Sadly.Scott_P said:0 -
Take back control seems to depend on whether the President of France enjoyed his dinner, but on a lighter note:anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:
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Mrs May might as well go out clubbing then as the night is still young. They can call her back in at 3am after she has finished her Kebab.Big_G_NorthWales said:Katya Adler of the BBC, and the best journalist on European affairs, has just said on the BBC it is going to be a very long night
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Interesting. That's prompted me to take a look at the Conservative Party Constitution, which states that any proposed change has to be approved not by the membership but by the constitutional college and, crucially, there are various thresholds that have to be met. For a change to pass it has to be supported by:rottenborough said:Telegraph:
New bid to oust Theresa May as MPs attempt to gather 10,000 signatures to change the Tory constitution
"not less than 50% of those members of the Constitutional College eligible to vote and...
not less than 66% of Members of Parliament voting; and...
not less than 66% of Members of the National Conservative Convention voting."
... so not necessarily that easy for the ERG mob to win.
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But that is a hypothetical. Todays events in Brussels are reality.HYUFD said:
No, that would be no Deal and the loss of Scotland and a United Irelandanothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
If we revoke, then yes, but if on a flextension can reasonably be excluded from many decisions.HYUFD said:
Surely inside the EU we would have a veto power exactly as every one of the 27 now has over us and the timeframe for our departure?Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. Given we are still members, what this shows is that inside the EU we have no control at all. This situation is a perfect example of what it will be like permanently for the UK if we do not leave now.Benpointer said:
Spot on. Sadly.Scott_P said:0 -
Sounds like you’ve been to one of these EU shindigs before Richard!Richard_Nabavi said:
That's absurd. Sure, for domestic purpose he needs to give the impression that he fought tooth and nail against perfidious Albion. But there doesn't need to be any reality to it, they just need to smoke cigars, drink cognac and exchange salacious jokes for a few hours and then emerge looking dishevelled saying what a tough negotiation it was, but they managed to stay united.HYUFD said:0 -
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
Kate Hoey on Newsnight looks dressed for a funeral. Presumably for her fantasy unicorn No Deal Brexit nonsense.0
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It's not even about defending her really, I don't think there are many who would suggest her approach and tactics have been blameless in all this, she is PM after all, but when some of those so entranced by the humilating position she is in very much contributed to that position I don't think it really holds up. It's humiliating, yes, but the reason it is happening is so far everyone has failed. Her more than most? Who cares.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
Jezza's mates detaining and beating their own people for daring to protest....
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Luckily not, but if there's a pressing need to find candidates for the European elections, I am prepared, for the sake of the country and the party, to sacrifice my own interests to the higher good and spend a few months investing taxpayers' money in the Michelin-starred restaurants of Brussels and Strasbourg._Anazina_ said:
Sounds like you’ve been to one of these EU shindigs before Richard!Richard_Nabavi said:
That's absurd. Sure, for domestic purpose he needs to give the impression that he fought tooth and nail against perfidious Albion. But there doesn't need to be any reality to it, they just need to smoke cigars, drink cognac and exchange salacious jokes for a few hours and then emerge looking dishevelled saying what a tough negotiation it was, but they managed to stay united.HYUFD said:0 -
No, the PD is crucial. Tories cannot be trusted to keep their word, indeed several high profile ones have already threatened to reneg on the PD. Labour are right to stick out for CU and retention of workers, consumer and environmental rights, and they need to have a lock on it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
She’ll be at a raunchy after party in the DJ’s penthouse flat by then.brendan16 said:
Mrs May might as well go out clubbing then as the night is still young. They can call her back in at 3am after she has finished her Kebab.Big_G_NorthWales said:Katya Adler of the BBC, and the best journalist on European affairs, has just said on the BBC it is going to be a very long night
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I think you mean: "... The ERG nutters cynically teaming up with the Official Opposition."Richard_Nabavi said:
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
If there are 316 Tory MPs is an achievement to be a 400/1 shot for next leader.0
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Poppycock, the PD can't be locked down. A parliament can't bind its successors, and the EU won't discuss anything substantive until we've left. The Labour position is just a cynical excuse to cause trouble, and everyone knows it.Foxy said:
No, the PD is crucial. Tories cannot be trusted to keep their word, indeed several high profile ones have already threatened to reneg on the PD. Labour are right to stick out for CU and retention of workers, consumer and environmental rights, and they need to have a lock on it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, you are right.Benpointer said:
I think you mean: "... The ERG nutters cynically teaming up with the Official Opposition."Richard_Nabavi said:
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
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A noble gesture.Richard_Nabavi said:
Luckily not, but if there's a pressing need to find candidates for the European elections, I am prepared, for the sake of the country and the party, to sacrifice my own interests to the higher good and spend a few months investing taxpayers' money in the Michelin-starred restaurants of Brussels and Strasbourg._Anazina_ said:
Sounds like you’ve been to one of these EU shindigs before Richard!Richard_Nabavi said:
That's absurd. Sure, for domestic purpose he needs to give the impression that he fought tooth and nail against perfidious Albion. But there doesn't need to be any reality to it, they just need to smoke cigars, drink cognac and exchange salacious jokes for a few hours and then emerge looking dishevelled saying what a tough negotiation it was, but they managed to stay united.HYUFD said:0 -
That is what oppositions do! I remember Labour causing troubles on the Maastricht treaty in the 1990s because they sensed an opportunity, not because they sided with nutters. This mess over Brexit is a ERG/DUP problem. A Tory acquaintance of mine who is deeply involved in the party blames constituency associations for selecting people obsessed with Europe. There are some who use Europe to get on within the party and some whose whole belief system revolves around the 'problem' of Europe and they will obsess whether the UK is in the EU or outside it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Sure, but Labour aren't opposing it because they don't think it's a good deal (it's virtually indistinguishable from their proposal, inasmuch as their proposal isn't fantasy), they are opposing it for the sake of opposing it. Fair enough, you might say, but let's not pretend that the 'humiliation' is caused by anything other than Labour cynically teaming up with the ERG nutters.TGOHF said:
Why was she so secretive about the deal ? Why did she think it would pass ? Was it stupidity or naivety? Why didn’t she get the DUP in the loop earlier ? Was the sign of losing so many ministers not a big frigging hint !?Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. The crowing of her opponents at the fact that they have put her in an impossible position, damaged the UK economy by the unnecessary uncertainty, and made the UK look ridiculous is disgraceful.kle4 said:
Well parliament has denuded her of all authority by not coming up with anything even after 'taking control', what's she supposed to do?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
And do those take back controllers really think it will be different during our forthcoming negotiations?anothernick said:
The most humiliating experience for a British PM in modern history. Arguably the most humiliating episode for the UK since the loss of the American colonies 236 years ago.Scott_P said:0 -
If Theresa can avoid EU for 25 hours it's no deal!0
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IDS anyone. The Tories are loony enough to do it again.0
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