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From the Sunday papers that we have now got in the Observer reports that Tory MPs would block the prime minister if she sought to call a general election. This has been heavily hinted at since the Brexit votes were lost on Friday.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Colour me shocked.
  • AnotherEngineerAnotherEngineer Posts: 64
    edited March 2019
    She is bonkers. An election would solve nothing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112117322087567361
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    I suspect the Queen won't block soft Brexit unless she fancies going the way of Charles I.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Colour me shocked.

    Sadly time for TM to go, and I have been loyal, but the loss of control demands a new interim leader
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    Between parliament and the Tory party, plenty of stuff is NOT wanted.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,747
    The Self-VONC route is nearly as good. Normally a government wouldn't do that because it risks looking chaotic and ridiculous, but at this point who are we kidding.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    edited March 2019
    The Cabinet wasn't close to collapse before?

    A GE is a terrible, terrible idea. But when 170 Tories are now official no deal supporters, how does the government not collapse over any plan B options?

    It's starting to really bum me out again - I really, really don't want a GE this year. Depressing stuff though - that so many Tories do not want one, which shows sense they don't normally have, is good, but most of the other options seem to lead down that way as well, even with the complexities of the process for triggering one.

    Night all. All hail Letwin, and hope he pulls a rabbit from a hat.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    AnotherEngineer said:

    She is bonkers. An election would solve nothing.

    Threatening an election might scare her MPs into backing whatever her alternative agenda is.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    edmundintokyo said:

    The Self-VONC route is nearly as good. Normally a government wouldn't do that because it risks looking chaotic and ridiculous, but at this point who are we kidding.

    But it risks a GONU being appointed in those 14 days.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,747
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1112118438946725888
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Colour me shocked.

    Sadly time for TM to go, and I have been loyal, but the loss of control demands a new interim leader
    Who? And what control would they have?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    kle4 said:

    The Cabinet wasn't close to collapse before?

    A GE is a terrible, terrible idea. But when 170 Tories are now official no deal supporters, how does the government not collapse over any plan B options?

    It's starting to really bum me out again - I really, really don't want a GE this year. Depressing stuff though - that so many Tories do not want one, which shows sense they don't normally have, is good, but most of the other options seem to lead down that way as well, even with the complexities of the process for triggering one.

    Night all. All hail Letwin, and hope he pulls a rabbit from a hat.

    Brexit is a terrible idea but people still voted for it.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,917
    On the unrelated topic of grass seed and pheasants - thank you for the advice, but netting is not an option unless I want to do something more tedious than Brexit.; I have 2/3 acre garden and about 50 - 100 patches seeded. I'll be out there until we leave the EU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Well there's some who are saying she should refuse to give Royal Assent to a soft Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    The Cabinet wasn't close to collapse before?

    A GE is a terrible, terrible idea. But when 170 Tories are now official no deal supporters, how does the government not collapse over any plan B options?

    It's starting to really bum me out again - I really, really don't want a GE this year. Depressing stuff though - that so many Tories do not want one, which shows sense they don't normally have, is good, but most of the other options seem to lead down that way as well, even with the complexities of the process for triggering one.

    Night all. All hail Letwin, and hope he pulls a rabbit from a hat.

    Brexit is a terrible idea but people still voted for it.
    Don't remind me. And I know, that's why I still expect a GE even though it is a terrible idea.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,747
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    The Self-VONC route is nearly as good. Normally a government wouldn't do that because it risks looking chaotic and ridiculous, but at this point who are we kidding.

    But it risks a GONU being appointed in those 14 days.
    True.
  • AnotherEngineerAnotherEngineer Posts: 64
    williamglenn said:

    AnotherEngineer said:

    She is bonkers. An election would solve nothing.

    Threatening an election might scare her MPs into backing whatever her alternative agenda is.
    Banzai!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,747
    williamglenn said:

    her alternative agenda

    ahem
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    kle4 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Colour me shocked.

    Sadly time for TM to go, and I have been loyal, but the loss of control demands a new interim leader
    Who? And what control would they have?
    No idea but TM calling an election is the worst idea possible and would turn me against her
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    May could put forward "Labour's alternative Brexit" at this point, and Corbyn would still whip against !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Yeah the Tory party is fucked.

    Good people like Thatcher, Major, and Cameron tried to sort out the European question and failed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    edited March 2019
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1112118438946725888

    Sign me on Amber
  • AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    Difficult to see another VONC being seen off unless May resigns. She hasn’t got time to put her abysmal deal to Parliament a 4th time unless she wants her legacy to be a Corbyn Gov which renders Britain into another Venezuela.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,522
    edited March 2019
    This Deltapoll is full of interesting firsts.
    Foxy said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112116730963341315

    Revoke now more popular than a #peoplesvote

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112116959599099904?s=19

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112117322087567361?s=19
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    The Cabinet wasn't close to collapse before?

    A GE is a terrible, terrible idea. But when 170 Tories are now official no deal supporters, how does the government not collapse over any plan B options?

    It's starting to really bum me out again - I really, really don't want a GE this year. Depressing stuff though - that so many Tories do not want one, which shows sense they don't normally have, is good, but most of the other options seem to lead down that way as well, even with the complexities of the process for triggering one.

    Night all. All hail Letwin, and hope he pulls a rabbit from a hat.

    Brexit is a terrible idea but people still voted for it.
    But the lying liars said it was a wonderful idea and the people believed them. Special place in hell indeed.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    May just won’t stop until she brings the whole edifice down. It’s quite, quite mad.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2019
    kjh said:

    On the unrelated topic of grass seed and pheasants - thank you for the advice, but netting is not an option unless I want to do something more tedious than Brexit.; I have 2/3 acre garden and about 50 - 100 patches seeded. I'll be out there until we leave the EU.

    Hire a falconer for the afternoon

    (But you might need Charlie to resign first)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    kle4 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Colour me shocked.

    Sadly time for TM to go, and I have been loyal, but the loss of control demands a new interim leader
    Who? And what control would they have?
    No idea but TM calling an election is the worst idea possible and would turn me against her
    Ha Ha Ha
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    April Fools' Day isn't until Monday.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    Christ on a unicycle. Just when you think things can't get any madder...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,522
    edited March 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    April Fools' Day isn't until Monday.
    And how richly appropriate that that's now looking like it may be the most decisive day for Brexit so far.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    edited March 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Well there's some who are saying she should refuse to give Royal Assent to a soft Brexit.
    I'm confident of little, despite my professions of certainty which are more just gut reactions. But one thing I feel very confident in is that Her Majesty would not do such a thing. And if she ever did, expect the next government to create a rule that royal assent cannot, in practice, be denied. That never wrong resource wiki says such a thing occurs in Belgium. I know the reason here is about the gov advising her not to sign, but that's not a farce, that's madness.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,951
    The appalling polls tonight will hopefully bring some element of realism to even the PCP, who have lost the plot in a truly epic way. Unfortunately most of the more frothing elements have what in normal times would be safe seats.

    The idea of May fighting another campaign makes a no deal Brexit look good and the consequences would be far more serious as Corbyn swept into Number 10.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,681
    Astonishing result from the Deltapoll .

    41% support revoking Article 50 . This I suspect wouldn’t have made 20% last year . This is a reaction to the no deal ERG pushing this narrative and turning Remainers into a more polarized position .

    I couldn’t support revocation as a Remainer , it would cause huge problems . A vote that started with the people can only be changed with another vote by the people .

    I’m very troubled by that poll result . The country has gone mad . I really fear the worst .
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,056
    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    You think she's driving towards them? I think in that photo she's halfway to the Chunnel and out the country as it burns behind her
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yeah the Tory party is fucked.

    Good people like Thatcher, Major, and Cameron tried to sort out the European question and failed.

    How did Thatcher try to sort it out? She injected the poison by the way she reacted to her political demise.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yeah the Tory party is fucked.

    Good people like Thatcher, Major, and Cameron tried to sort out the European question and failed.

    I had lunch with a Tory grandee today. He was surprisingly positive about May (although felt she thought in the same way as the Eurocrats which is why none of them understood why the proposed deal was so unpopular)

    What really startled me was how negative he was about Cameron - said the problem with OEs was the 80/20 rule applied and Cameron was definitely in the 20!

    (He knows Cameron very well, and has been close to Osborne for two decades)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1112121077235400705
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    AmpfieldAndy said:

    Difficult to see another VONC being seen off unless May resigns. She hasn’t got time to put her abysmal deal to Parliament a 4th time unless she wants her legacy to be a Corbyn Gov which renders Britain into another Venezuela.

    May's plan is to put her Deal against whatever wins the indicative votes on Monday ie probably permanent Customs Union plus maybe SM too or EU Ref2 in a final run off where MPs decide what Brexit they want. Corbyn will probably not get a majority even if he becomes PM
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect the Queen won't block soft Brexit unless she fancies going the way of Charles I.

    That may happen if she blocked Brexit too, the Queen will stay well out of it and leave MPs to decide
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    Christ on a unicycle. Just when you think things can't get any madder...
    To be fair, I needed a good laugh this evening.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,176
    "May plot to block boris"
    If true, how petty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,951
    I
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    Christ on a unicycle. Just when you think things can't get any madder...
    Surely not? I really could not vote for a party led by that man.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited March 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112117322087567361

    That and the 41% to 40% for revoke is a recipe for civil war not clarity No Deal also only on a 7% deficit
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,646
    Talk is of an election to stave off cabinet collapse / no deal. Surely the morelikely scenario is that the cabinet collapses, we have no deal and THEN a general election?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Talk is of an election to stave off cabinet collapse / no deal. Surely the morelikely scenario is that the cabinet collapses, we have no deal and THEN a general election?

    Which leads to Corbyn and SNP BINO SM and CU
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,681
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112117322087567361

    That and the 41% to 40% for revoke is a recipe for civil war not clarity
    Exactly .

    The second vote I understand but the revocation as a Remainer shocks me . I could only support a second EU ref not revocation.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1112004599379046400
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1112121077235400705

    Raab The Karate Kid !
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
    Any MP, or indeed peer, can introduce a bill into Parliament. It would be unusual for such important legislation to be introduced as a private members bill but hardly unconstitutional.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,917
    Charles said:

    kjh said:

    On the unrelated topic of grass seed and pheasants - thank you for the advice, but netting is not an option unless I want to do something more tedious than Brexit.; I have 2/3 acre garden and about 50 - 100 patches seeded. I'll be out there until we leave the EU.

    Hire a falconer for the afternoon

    (But you might need Charlie to resign first)
    Very good. I'm chuckling as I type with that vision in my mind of him chasing the birds around my garden.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1112121323713675266
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
    Not counting Chikens

    You need a Plan B instead of supporting BLUKIP though
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1112121323713675266

    So...is that telling the ERG holdouts to vote for the deal? Because that delivers Brexit.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112123455380574208
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I have been pointing this problem out. Theresa May is threatening a paper tiger.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,714
    HYUFD said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Talk is of an election to stave off cabinet collapse / no deal. Surely the morelikely scenario is that the cabinet collapses, we have no deal and THEN a general election?

    Which leads to Corbyn and SNP BINO SM and CU
    More than likely that Corbyn will get an absolute majority. And it will be the Tories which will have made that possible by their stupid destructive and pig-ignorant behaviour.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    There is not the slightest chance of the Queen using a power last used by Queen Anne. The government has gone doolally if it imagines otherwise.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
    Not counting Chikens

    You need a Plan B instead of supporting BLUKIP though
    I have never supported ERG and if you follow my posts you will see I have condemned them unequivocally

    I am a one nation conservative and support the new grouping in my party
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Haven’t they been in permanent state of near-collapse for the past six months or so?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,071
    Things fall apart ...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,728
    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Eagles

    A gnu ridden by PM Ken Clarke is the way forward.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
    Any MP, or indeed peer, can introduce a bill into Parliament. It would be unusual for such important legislation to be introduced as a private members bill but hardly unconstitutional.
    I'm sure Grieve is drafting something as we speak....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,180
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1112121323713675266

    So...is that telling the ERG holdouts to vote for the deal? Because that delivers Brexit.
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/1112121323713675266

    So...is that telling the ERG holdouts to vote for the deal? Because that delivers Brexit.
    Sadly, it isn't. You and I might think that the way to get Brexit is to vote for Brexit, but for others, the way to get Brexit is to vote against it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited March 2019
    AlastairMeeks said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    There is not the slightest chance of the Queen using a power last used by Queen Anne. The government has gone doolally if it imagines otherwise.
    If May cannot get her Brexit Deal through the Commons and the Commons votes for soft Brexit instead constitutionally I expect the Queen would have no choice but to tell Mrs May sorry, you clearly no longer have the confidence of Parliament and I will have to ask Mr Corbyn to see if he can form a government with the SNP, the DUP and the LDs which does have the confidence of Parliament and can implement the soft Brexit it has voted for if there is no majority for a general election either
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    The monarch is constitutionally powerless - and rightly so. The story is risible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,130
    edited March 2019
    _Anazina_ said:

    The monarch is constitutionally powerless - and rightly so. The story is risible.

    She is not theoretically powerless (even if ever making it non theoretical again would be pointless and immediately lead to explicit powerlessness). But the story is still absurd, and I hope no one seriously contemplated that route.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Talk is of an election to stave off cabinet collapse / no deal. Surely the morelikely scenario is that the cabinet collapses, we have no deal and THEN a general election?

    Which leads to Corbyn and SNP BINO SM and CU
    More than likely that Corbyn will get an absolute majority. And it will be the Tories which will have made that possible by their stupid destructive and pig-ignorant behaviour.
    No, Corbyn will not get an absolute majority, even on tonight's Deltapoll he still falls short. If Corbyn becomes PM it will be with SNP or LD support
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    WhisperingOracle said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/TheSundayMirror/status/1112108965645701121

    April Fools' Day isn't until Monday.
    And how richly appropriate that that's now looking like it may be the most decisive day for Brexit so far.
    Although admittedly you are setting an extremely low bar there
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    NickPalmer said:

    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

    Corbyn as PM pursuing SM and CU BINO, Boris as Leader of the Opposition on a hard Brexit platform is the only way this can be resolved as far as I can see
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    HYUFD said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    There is not the slightest chance of the Queen using a power last used by Queen Anne. The government has gone doolally if it imagines otherwise.
    If May cannot get her Brexit Deal through the Commons and the Commons votes for soft Brexit instead constitutionally I expect the Queen would have no choice but to tell Mrs May sorry, you clearly no longer have the confidence of Parliament and I will have to ask Mr Corbyn to see if he can form a government with the SNP, the DUP and the LDs which does have the confidence of Parliament and can implement the soft Brexit it has voted for if there is no majority for a general election either
    With respect that is utter rubbish. No confidence comes from the HOC, no one else

    The Queen will only come into it when directed by her PM
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
    Not counting Chikens

    You need a Plan B instead of supporting BLUKIP though
    I have never supported ERG and if you follow my posts you will see I have condemned them unequivocally

    I am a one nation conservative and support the new grouping in my party
    Unfortunately your Party is now Maj BLUKIP
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,242
    NickPalmer said:

    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

    This is the version with chuk:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112107512478736385
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
    Any MP, or indeed peer, can introduce a bill into Parliament. It would be unusual for such important legislation to be introduced as a private members bill but hardly unconstitutional.
    Parliament taking control of the timetable to allow for the introduction of legislation (which is what would be needed) would be a constitutional disaster
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Foxy said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

    This is the version with chuk:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112107512478736385
    CHUK could have a female Prime Minister before Labour.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
    Not counting Chikens

    You need a Plan B instead of supporting BLUKIP though
    I have never supported ERG and if you follow my posts you will see I have condemned them unequivocally

    I am a one nation conservative and support the new grouping in my party
    Unfortunately your Party is now Maj BLUKIP
    Less than 30 are ultras, the rest either accept the deal or want to remain

    It is a problem but no more so than the hard left running the labour party

  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    kjohnw said:

    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?

    It can not be The Customs Union because the EU treaties are clear that only EU members can be a member of "The".
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,180
    kjohnw said:

    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?

    It's The Customs Union, but on terms which the EU would never accept.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,242
    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
    Any MP, or indeed peer, can introduce a bill into Parliament. It would be unusual for such important legislation to be introduced as a private members bill but hardly unconstitutional.
    Parliament taking control of the timetable to allow for the introduction of legislation (which is what would be needed) would be a constitutional disaster
    Nah, it is our equivalent of the 25th ammendment, in use because May has lost her marbles.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,522
    Foxy said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

    This is the version with chuk:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112107512478736385
    That -11 figure for the Tories looks catastrophic whichever way you look at it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,173
    I know that the Brexistential Crisis is very serious, but to see the Tories on the brink of disintegration is very, very entertaining.

    Shit on, you bunch of feckers.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,180
    AlastairMeeks said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    There is not the slightest chance of the Queen using a power last used by Queen Anne. The government has gone doolally if it imagines otherwise.
    If the Commons votes through a policy which the government cannot countenance, then the government should either resign, or dare the Commons to put forward a VONC.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    ralphmalph said:

    kjohnw said:

    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?

    It can not be The Customs Union because the EU treaties are clear that only EU members can be a member of "The".
    So what is being proposed is to allow third parties to have tariff free access to our markets but with us having no reciprocal rights , which makes the EU more competitive than us globally.great plan that, thick mp’s
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,242
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Foxy said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Mail poll is Lab 41, Con 36, UKIP 7, LD 7, others 9. The others must include some TIGers and Greens who, like UKIP, are unlikely to stand everywhere, so it probably evens out. Boris well ahead on best next leader.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

    This is the version with chuk:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1112107512478736385
    That -11 figure for the Tories looks catastrophic whichever way you look at it.
    That very much depends on the fate wot you wish on the Tories! I appreciate that you are one of the sane ones, but I would wet myself laughing>
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Sean_F said:

    kjohnw said:

    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?

    It's The Customs Union, but on terms which the EU would never accept.
    So why propose it?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,056
    What needs to happen is May picks an alternative plan that isn't endlessly fucking about trying to get her deal passed for a 4th time. Pick something, anything else. All other options will result in resignations from her government and party splits, but, tough. They will all change the dynamic of the situation somehow and then we can begin to move forward into some new space.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    SandyRentool said:

    I know that the Brexistential Crisis is very serious, but to see the Tories on the brink of disintegration is very, very entertaining.

    Shit on, you bunch of feckers.

    Labour is no more united
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,173
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    Her Majesty clearly about to crash through the walls of Downing Street and mow those fuckers down
    Too late for the Queen

    Corbyn has Check Mated The Tories
    Counting chickens is never a good look BJO

    Labour ex toxic Corbyn would be out of sight
    Not counting Chikens

    You need a Plan B instead of supporting BLUKIP though
    I have never supported ERG and if you follow my posts you will see I have condemned them unequivocally

    I am a one nation conservative and support the new grouping in my party
    Unfortunately your Party is now Maj BLUKIP
    Less than 30 are ultras, the rest either accept the deal or want to remain

    It is a problem but no more so than the hard left running the labour party

    170 want to leave with No Deal. I'd call all of them ultras.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,242
    kjohnw said:

    ralphmalph said:

    kjohnw said:

    Can anyone clarify is the permanent customs union being voted on “the” customs union or “a” customs union?

    It can not be The Customs Union because the EU treaties are clear that only EU members can be a member of "The".
    So what is being proposed is to allow third parties to have tariff free access to our markets but with us having no reciprocal rights , which makes the EU more competitive than us globally.great plan that, thick mp’s
    Yes, clearly not as good as Revoke.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Sunday Times front page, just wow.

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1112115699726585856

    I’m sorry? The Government would advise he Queen to veto a bill passed by the legislature? Seriously? What “abuse of constitutional procedures” could possibly warrant that? Does May really think that not getting her way is unconstitutional?
    Who is going to introduce the legislation?
    Any MP, or indeed peer, can introduce a bill into Parliament. It would be unusual for such important legislation to be introduced as a private members bill but hardly unconstitutional.
    Parliament taking control of the timetable to allow for the introduction of legislation (which is what would be needed) would be a constitutional disaster
    Nah, it is our equivalent of the 25th ammendment, in use because May has lost her marbles.
    No she hasn’t. She’s right that there are only 3 options and everything else is fantasy. She’s just inflexible in her tactics
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