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I would expect contingency planning to be better in areas without other elections (ie. locals) to preoccupy them. I wonder also if some may have also been discouraged from making such plans by their political leaders? Especially as any costs incurred will not be reimbursable if they don’t happen.NickPalmer said:
Yes, even our local borough council has made contingency plans and offer advice to intending candidates.IanB2 said:
Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Why is the UK scared of the consequences of PR when other EU countries aren't? Having wasted my vote in all UK GEs since 1974, I'm sick of FPTP. It delivers extreme governments (Thatcher, 1983 and 1987) with majorities of 100-140 on ~41% of the popular vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tommy Robinson MEP.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
He has an axe now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thor has a hammer, NOT an axe!AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Stormbreaker0 -
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
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We would be in breach of our obligations as EU members (by denying our citizens right to representation). Anyone could take legal action, and would eventually succeed. If the Government refused to hold them ever we would I believe be subject to huge daily Commission fines, indefinitely.alex. said:
Theoretical question - what would happen if we revoked article 50, but failed to get the Euro election legislation through Parliament in time?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
That said, if the Government said "Oh, sorry, we'll have them next month", I think the courts would shrug and say "That's OK then."
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109953628973031424
This is the worst deal in history.
But you could become PM!
I can vote for this, if the leader resigns and holds a contest.
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Thank goodness it did (although I'd strongly disagree with the word 'extreme' - it was more a government able to deal with a completely toxic inheritance, which previous governments hadn't been able to deal with for a decade or more). The alternative is what we have now. Is that better? Or perhaps you prefer the Israeli-style parliament, which governments in thrall to tiny and genuinely extreme single-issue parties?rural_voter said:
Why is the UK scared of the consequences of PR when other EU countries aren't? Having wasted my vote in all UK GEs since 1974, I'm sick of FPTP. It delivers extreme governments (Thatcher, 1983 and 1987) with majorities of 100-140 on ~41% of the popular vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tommy Robinson MEP.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Perhaps today is Brexit Club Day, where all get detention, but come out different.Nemtynakht said:
Common Market 2 : Brexit SofterFrancisUrquhart said:
Is it a Christmas movie like Die Hard 2?Nemtynakht said:
It’s a movie sequelalex. said:
The common market strikes back
European Judgment Day
The wrath of Can’t Brexit
Today is indeed Breakfast Club Day, 35 years from that famous detention, lets dance!
https://youtu.be/ZbGlWN6Z0OA
Am I the only one who thinks Allison better looking before her Molly Ringwold makeover?0 -
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Yup, it's scraping the barrel as a reason to oppose extension. (The real reason to oppose extension is that once you do it once, there's no reason to ever stop...)Danny565 said:Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.
It mainly came up because TMay tried to use the elections to throw sand in the gears of any future extension, and drew up a timetable with the aim that further extensions would cause disruption. But the EU, not being born yesterday and not wanting their elections disrupted, rejected that timetable and imposed one that prevents her vandalizing their parliament.0 -
Sounds very Bercow-esque....rottenborough said:0 -
If you're not following Tom Newton Dunn on Twitter, he's got an insider in the Tory WhatsApp group, which is highly amusing.0
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Reckon it must be quite a blunt knife. Anyway, given the DUP ave said they will vote against the Govt in a VONC if the deal passes, isn’t the question of her agreeing to quit a bit moot anyway?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109953628973031424
This is the worst deal in history.
But you could become PM!
I can vote for this, if the leader resigns and holds a contest.
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I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-476881870 -
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
No new legislation is required. European elections are governed by the European Parliamentary Elections Act 2002. All that is needed is for the relevant Secretary of State to make an order setting the date.alex. said:
Theoretical question - what would happen if we revoked article 50, but failed to get the Euro election legislation through Parliament in time?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Shouldn't Boris agree to vote, along with his chums, for her deal, in exchange for a departure date this summer, AND a rewrite of the rules so top 4 candidates go to membership?0
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Can I just say, Billions is back and John Malkovich is brilliant in it.0
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*Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thor has a hammer, NOT an axe!AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind.
*other weapons are available: https://xkcd.com/2097/0 -
Given the Brexiteers on their own are not enough to pass it I assume this plan involves expecting the DUP to back it too in exchange for more money, I mean some new wording which will assuage their concerns? That is, where we were before Bercow made MV3 procedurally more tricky?alex. said:
Reckon it must be quite a blunt knife. Anyway, given the DUP ave said they will vote against the Govt in a VONC if the deal passes, isn’t the question of her agreeing to quit a bit moot anyway?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109953628973031424
This is the worst deal in history.
But you could become PM!
I can vote for this, if the leader resigns and holds a contest.
I cannot say I recall hearing much from the DUP since the build up to that anticipated MV3, when a small number of former holdouts were saying they would hold their nose and vote for it at the third time of asking. I really don't see how the ERG crowd justify voting for the deal just because May quits. Ok, it means someone else will head the next phase for sure (rather than just very very likely), someone they hope will be better, but if the deal is bad it is bad, and May standing down doesn't change that.0 -
Of all people to make such an elementary mistake. He does now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thor has a hammer, NOT an axe!AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind.0 -
Just listened to the Westminster Hour on Radio 4, with guests Tom Newton Dunn, Ed Vaizey, and Mark Field, all of whom are Remain supporters.0
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Given only 11 (I presume larger) local authorities have the faff of sorting candidate lists etc, it should be easy for the others.alex. said:
I would expect contingency planning to be better in areas without other elections (ie. locals) to preoccupy them. I wonder also if some may have also been discouraged from making such plans by their political leaders? Especially as any costs incurred will not be reimbursable if they don’t happen.NickPalmer said:
Yes, even our local borough council has made contingency plans and offer advice to intending candidates.IanB2 said:
Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Little bit too obviously designed to aid himself, not that that stops him at other times.rottenborough said:Shouldn't Boris agree to vote, along with his chums, for her deal, in exchange for a departure date this summer, AND a rewrite of the rules so top 4 candidates go to membership?
Oh well, I look forward to checking in on the news Monday PM to discover the Cabinet still cannot agree a way forward, and is still split between no deal and customs union factions.0 -
Maryland has a self-enrichment case against Trump slowly moving through the courts. Perhaps it will move faster now the Mueller stuff is out of the way. I think they are relying on the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
Norway, Iceland and Turkey seem to manage outside the EU while in the Single Market or Customs UnionRoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
88,705 people in Edinburgh have signed the petition. The referendum result there was Remain 187,796; Leave 64,498.
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/2100/edinburghs_eu_referendum_results0 -
Here's a story on it: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-emoluments-suit-maryland-trump-20181204-story.htmlMTimT said:
Maryland has a self-enrichment case against Trump slowly moving through the courts. Perhaps it will move faster now the Mueller stuff is out of the way. I think they are relying on the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
You misread what he wrote - one or the other, but not both.HYUFD said:
Norway, Iceland and Turkey seem to manage outside the EU while in the Single Market or Customs UnionRoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.
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Effectively we have to have both at least temporarily to avoid a hard border in Ireland anywayalex. said:
You misread what he wrote - one or the other, but not both.HYUFD said:
Norway, Iceland and Turkey seem to manage outside the EU while in the Single Market or Customs UnionRoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%0 -
My understanding is the EU genuinely fears that even without the UK participation there will be a very large number of Eurosceptic or EU-hostile MEPs returned from Poland, Hungary, Italy and even the Netherlands, France and Germany. Not enough to take power of course but enough to make things very difficult in the Parliament. The addition of a notable number of British openly anti-EU MEPs would make life very much more difficult.kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
But not both. And the Turkey deal is very bad.HYUFD said:
Norway, Iceland and Turkey seem to manage outside the EU while in the Single Market or Customs UnionRoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
Biden leads early national polling of Democratic voters on 31%, Sanders is second on 23% and Harris and O'Rourke a distant third on 8% each. Warren is on just 4%, tied with Booker for lastHYUFD said:
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%0 -
But, then there is Pete Buttigieg...HYUFD said:
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%
Dark horse, surprise, who I am on at 110.
Making progress in Iowa:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll0 -
He announced when he quit the association that he would not stand again.alex. said:
Well he’s just quit his local association, so probably doesn’t fancy his chances of fighting the next election. Is he recovered from his health issues as well.AlastairMeeks said:
For someone still taking the Conservative whip he is showing a remarkable flexibility in his idea of loyalty to the leader.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Easily the most fascinating candidate.rottenborough said:
But, then there is Pete Buttigieg...HYUFD said:
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%
Dark horse, surprise, who I am on at 110.
Making progress in Iowa:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll0 -
I read the other day that Junker may have to stay on, as the MEPs could not agree a new commission following a populist surge.Richard_Tyndall said:
My understanding is the EU genuinely fears that even without the UK participation there will be a very large number of Eurosceptic or EU-hostile MEPs returned from Poland, Hungary, Italy and even the Netherlands, France and Germany. Not enough to take power of course but enough to make things very difficult in the Parliament. The addition of a notable number of British openly anti-EU MEPs would make life very much more difficult.kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.0 -
The audacity of hope, as someone apparently once said.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Easily the most fascinating candidate.rottenborough said:
But, then there is Pete Buttigieg...HYUFD said:
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%
Dark horse, surprise, who I am on at 110.
Making progress in Iowa:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll
I've seen a few clips. He is very, very good. A surprise could be coming in the debates.
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Biden leads in Iowa there on 25% but only a fraction ahead of Sanders on 24%.rottenborough said:
But, then there is Pete Buttigieg...HYUFD said:
Yes Biden leads Trump 47% to 40%. Sanders also beats Trump more narrowly 44% to 41%.rottenborough said:
However Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump also leads Warren 42% to 40%
Dark horse, surprise, who I am on at 110.
Making progress in Iowa:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll
Buttigieg is third on 11% a bit further back, just ahead of Harris on 10%0 -
Full text of the Barr letter:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-summary-idUSKCN1R50SV0 -
A Customs Union is the only one of the seven with a hope of getting a majority and Tory MPs will be warned against voting for it.0
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We had a VW Sharan - the same thing. It was great but had no street cred at all except with minicab drivers or large familiesRichard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.0 -
In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
Its worth noting that even the ERG are now fracturing & bickering among themselves as we head to the Brexit last chance saloon blame game.Benpointer said:
They are only 100 or so out of 650; they have not the power to stop it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Mueller Light?Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
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Agreed, even the possibility of Nigel Farage returning to the European Parliament has had some in Brussels reaching for the smelling salts.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
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That’s not to say that Trump is in the clear, however.fitalass said:
Mueller Light?Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
Over the course of the investigation, Mueller got convictions or guilty pleas from Trump’s campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, national security advisor and longtime personal attorney and indicted his longtime confidant, Roger Stone.
In those two years, the public learned that his son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton in Trump Tower; that Trump pursued a construction project in Moscow well into the election; and that his campaign manager handed valuable polling data to a contact the FBI believes has ties to Russian intelligence.
Spin-off investigations were opened by other federal prosecutors into Trump’s hush money payments to a porn star, his inauguration committee’s fundraising and his business. And the president faces other serious legal trouble in everything from a defamation lawsuit from a woman who claimed sexual harassment to constitutional questions about his Washington hotel, not to mention the lingering questions left by Barr’s summary, which House Democrats have vowed to get answers on.
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Absolutely spot on Carlotta, hence my comment of Mueller Light which I pinched from a comment elsewhere to sum up just this situation.CarlottaVance said:
That’s not to say that Trump is in the clear, however.fitalass said:
Mueller Light?Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
Over the course of the investigation, Mueller got convictions or guilty pleas from Trump’s campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, national security advisor and longtime personal attorney and indicted his longtime confidant, Roger Stone.
In those two years, the public learned that his son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton in Trump Tower; that Trump pursued a construction project in Moscow well into the election; and that his campaign manager handed valuable polling data to a contact the FBI believes has ties to Russian intelligence.
Spin-off investigations were opened by other federal prosecutors into Trump’s hush money payments to a porn star, his inauguration committee’s fundraising and his business. And the president faces other serious legal trouble in everything from a defamation lawsuit from a woman who claimed sexual harassment to constitutional questions about his Washington hotel, not to mention the lingering questions left by Barr’s summary, which House Democrats have vowed to get answers on.
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And this "Total EXONERATION" is simply not true:fitalass said:
Absolutely spot on Carlotta, hence my comment of Mueller Light which I pinched from a comment elsewhere to sum up just this situation.CarlottaVance said:
That’s not to say that Trump is in the clear, however.fitalass said:
Mueller Light?Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
Over the course of the investigation, Mueller got convictions or guilty pleas from Trump’s campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, national security advisor and longtime personal attorney and indicted his longtime confidant, Roger Stone.
In those two years, the public learned that his son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton in Trump Tower; that Trump pursued a construction project in Moscow well into the election; and that his campaign manager handed valuable polling data to a contact the FBI believes has ties to Russian intelligence.
Spin-off investigations were opened by other federal prosecutors into Trump’s hush money payments to a porn star, his inauguration committee’s fundraising and his business. And the president faces other serious legal trouble in everything from a defamation lawsuit from a woman who claimed sexual harassment to constitutional questions about his Washington hotel, not to mention the lingering questions left by Barr’s summary, which House Democrats have vowed to get answers on.
http://time.com/5557878/mueller-report-barr-trump-politics/
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So out of character for him, he's usually so measured and restrained on these matters.CarlottaVance said:
And this "Total EXONERATION" is simply not true:fitalass said:
Absolutely spot on Carlotta, hence my comment of Mueller Light which I pinched from a comment elsewhere to sum up just this situation.CarlottaVance said:
That’s not to say that Trump is in the clear, however.fitalass said:
Mueller Light?Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
Over the course of the investigation, Mueller got convictions or guilty pleas from Trump’s campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, national security advisor and longtime personal attorney and indicted his longtime confidant, Roger Stone.
In those two years, the public learned that his son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton in Trump Tower; that Trump pursued a construction project in Moscow well into the election; and that his campaign manager handed valuable polling data to a contact the FBI believes has ties to Russian intelligence.
Spin-off investigations were opened by other federal prosecutors into Trump’s hush money payments to a porn star, his inauguration committee’s fundraising and his business. And the president faces other serious legal trouble in everything from a defamation lawsuit from a woman who claimed sexual harassment to constitutional questions about his Washington hotel, not to mention the lingering questions left by Barr’s summary, which House Democrats have vowed to get answers on.
http://time.com/5557878/mueller-report-barr-trump-politics/
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European elections (and candidate verification) are managed on a regional level, not local. Local councils are only overseas in the administration process.alex. said:
I would expect contingency planning to be better in areas without other elections (ie. locals) to preoccupy them. I wonder also if some may have also been discouraged from making such plans by their political leaders? Especially as any costs incurred will not be reimbursable if they don’t happen.NickPalmer said:
Yes, even our local borough council has made contingency plans and offer advice to intending candidates.IanB2 said:
Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Blair got handed majority power for five years on the back of 35% of the popular vote; that's how fraudulent a system we have.rural_voter said:
Why is the UK scared of the consequences of PR when other EU countries aren't? Having wasted my vote in all UK GEs since 1974, I'm sick of FPTP. It delivers extreme governments (Thatcher, 1983 and 1987) with majorities of 100-140 on ~41% of the popular vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tommy Robinson MEP.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
I think they do. It was awful close last time such a matter was considered.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
Surely Bercow wouldn't let them vote on the same motion twice?kle4 said:
I think they do. It was awful close last time such a matter was considered.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll
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In all seriousness given the Commons regularly allows amendments so substantial to be considered they utterly wreck the purpose of the original motion I dont think any rules are iron clad.RobD said:
Surely Bercow wouldn't let them vote on the same motion twice?kle4 said:
I think they do. It was awful close last time such a matter was considered.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ
But I think your faux surprise is right, since we all know Bercow would allow anything he would prefer. It shouldn't be hard to tweak things a bit to justify.0 -
It would be very amusing to see all these wily, hardened national political veterans upstaged by such a person (it was less amusing when Trump upstaged political veterans). Who's running South Bend while he is doing all this though?rcs1000 said:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll
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IIUC it's a summary that includes a bunch of quotes from the report, none of which go so far as to quote an entire sentence.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
It's an amendment, not a motion which helps Remain so it may well be a different case....RobD said:
Surely Bercow wouldn't let them vote on the same motion twice?kle4 said:
I think they do. It was awful close last time such a matter was considered.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
I can't even work out which ones are supposed to be serious any more.alex. said:0 -
I think its BRINO 7.4Recidivist said:
I can't even work out which ones are supposed to be serious any more.alex. said:0 -
Scanning through this morning I found this, with which I can completely agree. Comfort, safety and reliability are what I want in a car, plus of course economy. I've had one fairly flash car in my life; a Golf Cabriolet, which, in my (and my wife's) 40's was one late despairing effort to recapture the spirit of youth...... open top, wind in hair, etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.
The family had grown up and had cars of their own so the fact that there wasn't much space in the back wasn't a problem!0 -
Just crap. It is their impossibility to please that he appears blind to.CarlottaVance said:0 -
The substantive is different and so even if amended the amended substantive is also different. So there isn't any vote on the same proposition as before.RobD said:
Surely Bercow wouldn't let them vote on the same motion twice?kle4 said:
I think they do. It was awful close last time such a matter was considered.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
I do not drive so am driven in a great range of minicabs, from which my conclusions are that Priuses are very smooth, and Ford makes the best seats.OldKingCole said:
Scanning through this morning I found this, with which I can completely agree. Comfort, safety and reliability are what I want in a car, plus of course economy. I've had one fairly flash car in my life; a Golf Cabriolet, which, in my (and my wife's) 40's was one late despairing effort to recapture the spirit of youth...... open top, wind in hair, etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.
The family had grown up and had cars of their own so the fact that there wasn't much space in the back wasn't a problem!0 -
Almost for sure they did by the weekend. As I said, the question is whether May's approach either persuades them not to press the matter or some of their Tory support to trust May instead. Again.CarlottaVance said:
And whether they have the votes for it.....IanB2 said:
The key is whether parliament will be content to let May run the indicative process or whether trust in her has now gone and they take over themselves.CarlottaVance said:In the HoC today - the amendments proposed:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-amendments-explainer-idUSKCN1R50UJ0 -
Trump is obviously spinning the Mueller Report, we will have to wait to see whether the devil is in the detail.edmundintokyo said:
IIUC it's a summary that includes a bunch of quotes from the report, none of which go so far as to quote an entire sentence.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
You must be a Lib Dem..IanB2 said:
Blair got handed majority power for five years on the back of 35% of the popular vote; that's how fraudulent a system we have.rural_voter said:
Why is the UK scared of the consequences of PR when other EU countries aren't? Having wasted my vote in all UK GEs since 1974, I'm sick of FPTP. It delivers extreme governments (Thatcher, 1983 and 1987) with majorities of 100-140 on ~41% of the popular vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tommy Robinson MEP.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
No collusion is a good enough headline finding for Trump and probably puts paid to a Republican primary challenge.edmundintokyo said:
IIUC it's a summary that includes a bunch of quotes from the report, none of which go so far as to quote an entire sentence.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't a summary, it is a direct quote from the report.edmundintokyo said:
I wouldn't particularly trust Barr's summary.FrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't correct. That was Friday's news, there is more info now.edmundintokyo said:
We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia."
There is the issue of if he obstructed justice.
Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".
"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187
I am sure there is loads of crap in there about Team Trump's dodgy behaviour, but on the core central issue Mueller appears to be very clear.
My guess would be "self-enrichment" be the most likely motivation for a lot of their behaviour.0 -
If I lived somewhere with better public transport, I might well not own a car. People asked us, when I retired and we went down to one car, how we were going to manage, but we're fine. The only place that's really inaccessible without a car is the gym! And I suppose a taxi wouldn't be that expensive.DecrepitJohnL said:
I do not drive so am driven in a great range of minicabs, from which my conclusions are that Priuses are very smooth, and Ford makes the best seats.OldKingCole said:
Scanning through this morning I found this, with which I can completely agree. Comfort, safety and reliability are what I want in a car, plus of course economy. I've had one fairly flash car in my life; a Golf Cabriolet, which, in my (and my wife's) 40's was one late despairing effort to recapture the spirit of youth...... open top, wind in hair, etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.
The family had grown up and had cars of their own so the fact that there wasn't much space in the back wasn't a problem!0 -
This polling expert on R4 saying focus groups are finding a GE is exceptionally unpopular right now, and that she believes calling for one was a big factor in the recent drop in Corbyn/Labour's scores0
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Walk to the gym, walk home again, and skip the bit in the middle. And the membership fee.OldKingCole said:
If I lived somewhere with better public transport, I might well not own a car. People asked us, when I retired and we went down to one car, how we were going to manage, but we're fine. The only place that's really inaccessible without a car is the gym! And I suppose a taxi wouldn't be that expensive.DecrepitJohnL said:
I do not drive so am driven in a great range of minicabs, from which my conclusions are that Priuses are very smooth, and Ford makes the best seats.OldKingCole said:
Scanning through this morning I found this, with which I can completely agree. Comfort, safety and reliability are what I want in a car, plus of course economy. I've had one fairly flash car in my life; a Golf Cabriolet, which, in my (and my wife's) 40's was one late despairing effort to recapture the spirit of youth...... open top, wind in hair, etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.
The family had grown up and had cars of their own so the fact that there wasn't much space in the back wasn't a problem!0 -
Is Brenda on the focus group?IanB2 said:This polling expert on R4 saying focus groups are finding a GE is exceptionally unpopular right now, and that she believes calling for one was a big factor in the recent drop in Corbyn/Labour's scores
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That sounds like a major sex scandal in the making alreadyrcs1000 said:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll
I'm sure I'm not the only person on Mayor Pete
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Guardian: Theresa May’s prospects of getting her Brexit deal through parliament this week dramatically receded on Sunday night after a high-stakes summit with Boris Johnson and other leading hard-Brexiters at her country retreat broke up without agreement.
Tory rebels present said that the prime minister repeated “all the same lines” about her deal and that nothing new emerged during the three-hour meeting, at which Jacob Rees-Mogg, Iain Duncan Smith and Dominic Raab were also present.0 -
Steve Baker looking uncannily like Jason Bateman in the tweet down thread.
"I've made a huge mistake"0 -
There have been no new lines since December.IanB2 said:Guardian: Theresa May’s prospects of getting her Brexit deal through parliament this week dramatically receded on Sunday night after a high-stakes summit with Boris Johnson and other leading hard-Brexiters at her country retreat broke up without agreement.
Tory rebels present said that the prime minister repeated “all the same lines” about her deal and that nothing new emerged during the three-hour meeting, at which Jacob Rees-Mogg, Iain Duncan Smith and Dominic Raab were also present.
Agree to her deal, or get Fucked-up Brexit/No Brexit. Because that's how it is.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
When are we getting the next meaningless vote?0 -
Nothing Has Changed.IanB2 said:Guardian: Theresa May’s prospects of getting her Brexit deal through parliament this week dramatically receded on Sunday night after a high-stakes summit with Boris Johnson and other leading hard-Brexiters at her country retreat broke up without agreement.
Tory rebels present said that the prime minister repeated “all the same lines” about her deal and that nothing new emerged during the three-hour meeting, at which Jacob Rees-Mogg, Iain Duncan Smith and Dominic Raab were also present.0 -
OT. Yesterday evening I wrote this;
"Strangest thing in the S of France. From Nice to the other side of Beaulieu is in complete lockdown. No boats in the water no cars on the road and all entrances in and out of Beaulieu and Cap ferrat blocked. Just Gendarmes everywhere. It's like the Marie Celeste"
Today I discovered why; Macron was meeting Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Villa Karylos in Beaulieu to discuss a trade deal.
Two thoughts.
1. It's sad to think that Emanuelle Macron and the EU are laying out the red carpet to do a trade deal with China when Theresa May is doing her laundry.
2. What a strange impression Xi Jinping must have of the finest coastline in the world. No cars no boats and no people!
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Which facts do you disagree with?IanB2 said:
Just crap. It is their impossibility to please that he appears blind to.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Voting on the amendments starts 10pm, after a debate from 3.30pm today, I believe. If there is an MV3 tomorrow seems to be favourite, although the chances of it reappearing are receding.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
When are we getting the next meaningless vote?0 -
Corbo is going full Marty Feldman. Could this be the beginning of the end?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-admits-he-is-being-treated-for-eye-condition-th5dhlpcd0 -
Mr. B2, cheers.0
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Gyms are both unpleasant, and a rip off.IanB2 said:
Walk to the gym, walk home again, and skip the bit in the middle. And the membership fee.OldKingCole said:
If I lived somewhere with better public transport, I might well not own a car. People asked us, when I retired and we went down to one car, how we were going to manage, but we're fine. The only place that's really inaccessible without a car is the gym! And I suppose a taxi wouldn't be that expensive.DecrepitJohnL said:
I do not drive so am driven in a great range of minicabs, from which my conclusions are that Priuses are very smooth, and Ford makes the best seats.OldKingCole said:
Scanning through this morning I found this, with which I can completely agree. Comfort, safety and reliability are what I want in a car, plus of course economy. I've had one fairly flash car in my life; a Golf Cabriolet, which, in my (and my wife's) 40's was one late despairing effort to recapture the spirit of youth...... open top, wind in hair, etc.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cheers. Unless it is an E-Type which I have loved since I was a kid, a car is just a box to get me comfortably from A to B so I have never paid much attention to anything beyond is it comfortable and is it reliable. I drive a Galaxy which is a breize block on wheels. But it will carry all manner of rubbish in the back and doesn't break down much.Dura_Ace said:
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.
The family had grown up and had cars of their own so the fact that there wasn't much space in the back wasn't a problem!0 -
But no gilet jeunes. The lockdown wasn't to spare Xi's blushes.....Roger said:OT. Yesterday evening I wrote this;
"Strangest thing in the S of France. From Nice to the other side of Beaulieu is in complete lockdown. No boats in the water no cars on the road and all entrances in and out of Beaulieu and Cap ferrat blocked. Just Gendarmes everywhere. It's like the Marie Celeste"
Today I discovered why; Macron was meeting Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Villa Karylos in Beaulieu to discuss a trade deal.
Two thoughts.
1. It's sad to think that Emanuelle Macron and the EU are laying out the red carpet to do a trade deal with China when Theresa May is doing her laundry.
2. What a strange impression Xi Jinping must have of the finest coastline in the world. No cars no boats and no people!0
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