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There’s little doubt that just about the worst thing that Theresa May has done during her short Premiership was the broadcast to the nation five nights go when she appeared to blame Parliament for the problems in getting her brexit deal approved. It was that apparent denial of the democratic process that has angered a lot within the House and outside.
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Second, like Lidington in a two horse race.0
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No.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Second, like Lidington in a two horse race.
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Though the Sun didn't exactly move the needle in GE2017....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?0
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The Democratic leader of the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer have released a joint statement: “Attorney General Barr’s letter raises as many questions as it answers.
"The fact that Special Counsel Mueller’s report does not exonerate the president on a charge as serious as obstruction of justice demonstrates how urgent it is that the full report and underlying documentation be made public without any further delay.
"Given Mr Barr’s public record of bias against the Special Counsel’s inquiry, he is not a neutral observer and is not in a position to make objective determinations about the report."0 -
That's the thanks she gets for making all the phone hacking stuff go away...TheScreamingEagles said:
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I confess to being a little surprised there was such a reaction to May's statement. I feel like she had essentially said everything she said then previously in any case.
I also confess to being very surprised that people are still acting like her setting out her resignation plans would seal it for the deal. I can see why it would get things closer, but the only reason I can assume she has not already done it is because she adjudges, correctly, that her doing so would not seal the deal and since it is the very final move she could possibly make, why make it when it won't secure that deal?0 -
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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Once upon a time maybe. I cannot imagine she likes reading the Daily Borisgraph.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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A rebrand of Norway Plus.alex. said:0 -
Nah, I'd be surprised if they read anything other than the Daily May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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Good point...does anybody still read it?kle4 said:
Once upon a time maybe. I cannot imagine she likes reading the Daily Borisgraph.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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Isn't Common Market 2.0 another unicorn?alex. said:
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As much of a unicorn as 'managed no deal.'alex. said:
It is BINO in its purest form.0 -
Or the Evening Osborne.kle4 said:
Once upon a time maybe. I cannot imagine she likes reading the Daily Borisgraph.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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Boris does all day, all the time, but only his columnFrancisUrquhart said:
Good point...does anybody still read it?kle4 said:
Once upon a time maybe. I cannot imagine she likes reading the Daily Borisgraph.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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I doubt they read any newspapersDanny565 said:
Nah, I'd be surprised if they read anything other than the Daily May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.0
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God CNN are getting even worse...it is full on tin foil hat birther stuff.0
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It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
Not since they canned SeanT's blog from their websiteFrancisUrquhart said:
Good point...does anybody still read it?kle4 said:
Once upon a time maybe. I cannot imagine she likes reading the Daily Borisgraph.FrancisUrquhart said:
I doubt they take the sun. More a telegraph household I reckon.AlastairMeeks said:Who would like to be the paper boy at Number 10 tomorrow?
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Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Do you not think Boles is acting as a proxy for Gove?RoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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He’s seen his constituency petition numbers.Scott_P said:0 -
No.williamglenn said:
Do you not think Boles is acting as a proxy for Gove?RoyalBlue said:
It’s not Brexit.alex. said:
If we take the Single Market or the Customs Union, then we can have our own trade policy or an end to freedom of movement. The combination of the two makes Brexit a total waste of time, which is the intention of Boles and his acolytes.0 -
Theoretical question - what would happen if we revoked article 50, but failed to get the Euro election legislation through Parliament in time?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Is...is this really what Boris's columns are like now, or is it just a spoof? Does he do anything but spew ignorant, grandiose vapidity peddling simplistic solutions to complex problems?
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It's in the EU's interest and that's probably enough.kle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Anything that's not May's deal or no deal would involve that though, right?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Now if ERG voted for that it would be the perfect ending to brexitTheScreamingEagles said:
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Correct.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Genuine.kle4 said:Is...is this really what Boris's columns are like now, or is it just a spoof? Does he do anything but spew ignorant, grandiose vapidity peddling simplistic solutions to complex problems?
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Indeed including revokesolarflare said:
Anything that's not May's deal or no deal would involve that though, right?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Yes, but the only way to avoid it is to pass the deal very soon, and they won't do that either, or for no deal to happen. Which they are trying to do of course, but I very much fear we will have to face EU elections again.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
On the bright side they will probably have more campaigning this time, usually they seem invisible round my way.0 -
What do you mean, “now”? It’s all his columns have ever been like.kle4 said:Is...is this really what Boris's columns are like now, or is it just a spoof? Does he do anything but spew ignorant, grandiose vapidity peddling simplistic solutions to complex problems?
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They twice voted against Brexit because it wasn't Brexity enough. We're dealing with the hard of thinking here.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now if ERG voted for that it would be the perfect ending to brexitTheScreamingEagles said:
Thay are not that silly - or are they0 -
Not to pass the Commons.TudorRose said:
It's in the EU's interest and that's probably enough.kle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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They are only 100 or so out of 650; they have not the power to stop it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
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More specifically, a tragedy in 3 acts.0 -
You mean you doubt that U.K. EU elections would lead to a massive vote for remain supporting parties as a precursor to an overwhelming vote to overturn the 2016 referendum...?TudorRose said:
It's in the EU's interest and that's probably enough.kle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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I don't think anyone's really objecting per se, it's merely May's last attempt at framing the debate as her deal being the only possible solution.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
+1 Spot on.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Credit to her though, she did used to wear fabulous shoes. I feel like even her fashion sense has deteriorated recently?Benpointer said:0 -
Express blaming the 'Remainer plotters' - er, isn't the plotter in chief one M. Gove?0
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In just two weeks campaigning starts.kle4 said:
Yes, but the only way to avoid it is to pass the deal very soon, and they won't do that either, or for no deal to happen. Which they are trying to do of course, but I very much fear we will have to face EU elections again.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
On the bright side they will probably have more campaigning this time, usually they seem invisible round my way.0 -
Probably a statutory instrument, isn’t it? Not primary legislation or anything.kle4 said:
Not to pass the Commons.TudorRose said:
It's in the EU's interest and that's probably enough.kle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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Tommy Robinson MEP.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
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I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
If they happen I don't think we will ever leave at all, but more importantly our politicians will just spin things out as long as humanly possible because there will be absolutely no urgency at all. I feel like the plan is to ensure we need to elect MEPs, then spring on the plans to referendum or revoke or whatever, and I'd prefer they make that choice now, rather than 'Oops, it's mid April with no decision, guess we need to sign up for a long extension because MEPs need to be in place, and, psych, now we will make the decision'.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
And how do we get to take part in the EU elections in two weeksBenpointer said:
+1 Spot on.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Maybe we can have a vote on whose sets of indicative votes the Commons should vote uponTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's true, although not having a majority and not controlling parliament doesn't stop Boles lecturing everyone about what should be done either. No doubt he's one who likes to talk about the government ignoring parliament, even when the government wins votes in Parliament and so parliament is endorsing it, however temporarily. No doubt when that happens with something he doesn't like he says MPs are being 'taken in' because they don't do what he wants?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think he has more in Common with May than he thinks.0 -
For someone still taking the Conservative whip he is showing a remarkable flexibility in his idea of loyalty to the leader.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If the elections happen, judging by sentiment in my own association there will be no Conservative campaigning whatsoever. The feeling is common to both Leavers and Remainers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In just two weeks campaigning starts.kle4 said:
Yes, but the only way to avoid it is to pass the deal very soon, and they won't do that either, or for no deal to happen. Which they are trying to do of course, but I very much fear we will have to face EU elections again.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
On the bright side they will probably have more campaigning this time, usually they seem invisible round my way.0 -
I see Murdoch has decided it is worth a serious punt on Boris winning rather than Hunt.0
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Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.0
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Or a consultative referendum?solarflare said:
Maybe we can have a vote on whose sets of indicative votes the Commons should vote uponTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I would expect most of the conservative party and many in labour would not accept the EU elections in 14 days time. This would go way beyond the ERG in the conservative party and add in the DUP I would expect a majority against in the HOCBenpointer said:
They are only 100 or so out of 650; they have not the power to stop it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ERG and others would create a firestorm in the HOC at the mere ideakle4 said:
It's be really great if we could avoid those, if only for the poor staff organising them, but is it in enough peoples' interest to avoid them?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorry if I am boring you but that amendment would require us to take part in the EU elections from the 12th April.edmundintokyo said:She needs to change the game. Take the Kyle-Wilson deal, it'll get the WA through (assuming Leave wins) and save her job.
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I have not followed the Mueller stuff very closely, but my guess is that initial, sweeping takes and conclusions based on only very partial release of documentation and next to no knowledge of US law may turn out to look a bit silly a few weeks down the line.0
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I'm sure his loyalty will be different if Gove became leader.AlastairMeeks said:
For someone still taking the Conservative whip he is showing a remarkable flexibility in his idea of loyalty to the leader.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I can totally understand why the EU wouldn't be enthusiastic about us taking part in the elections (I'm surprised they're making it a condition of a long extension; if anything, I would've expected the condition to be that we'd promise NOT to take part in them), but I meant more from the British perspective. Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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I think the objection is mainly that it would be a highly provocative (to Leavers) reminder than Brexit wasn't going ahead anytime soon. I think that's a pretty valid concern, TBH. But there are no good options, starting from where we are, so perhaps it's a problem we'll just have to put up with.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
He's hardly alone in that.AlastairMeeks said:
For someone still taking the Conservative whip he is showing a remarkable flexibility in his idea of loyalty to the leader.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
There will be very few Tory MEPs elected if it goes ahead. I would expect a majority of activists and many otherwise reliable supporters to vote for other parties or abstain.kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
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Well he’s just quit his local association, so probably doesn’t fancy his chances of fighting the next election. Is he recovered from his health issues as well.AlastairMeeks said:
For someone still taking the Conservative whip he is showing a remarkable flexibility in his idea of loyalty to the leader.TheScreamingEagles said:
And, er, not as much flexibility as Johnson!
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I cannot say I've noticed, but I would not be surprised if she has been advised not to wear anything too nice, lest she be accused of focusing more on her wardrobe than Brexit.Danny565 said:
Credit to her though, she did used to wear fabulous shoes. I feel like even her fashion sense has deteriorated recently?Benpointer said:0 -
Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?0
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I shall correct - I meant many, out of whatever number of Tories are elected, on the basis however many are most will be presumably not be as keen on the EU as the Labour and LD ones.RoyalBlue said:
There will be very few Tory MEPs elected if it goes ahead. I would expect a majority of activists and many otherwise reliable supporters to vote for other parties or abstain.kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
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People who want to be provoked will be provoked. It’s not as if they’re generally short of outrage.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think the objection is mainly that it would be a highly provocative (to Leavers) reminder than Brexit wasn't going ahead anytime soon. I think that's a pretty valid concern, TBH. But there are no good options, starting from where we are, so perhaps it's a problem we'll just have to put up with.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Well it depends if you watch Fox News or CNN....Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
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There's only two ways to avoid it, neither of which is plausible, so yes we will have to put up with it. Labour to win is my prediction, as I think the Brexit party will suffer as many stay at home.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think the objection is mainly that it would be a highly provocative (to Leavers) reminder than Brexit wasn't going ahead anytime soon. I think that's a pretty valid concern, TBH. But there are no good options, starting from where we are, so perhaps it's a problem we'll just have to put up with.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
At first sight. But may have a lit a longer fuse, rather than simply dropped a bombshell.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
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We can’t be in the EU and not take part in EU elections. They don’t have the ability to give us the choice.Danny565 said:
I can totally understand why the EU wouldn't be enthusiastic about us taking part in the elections (I'm surprised they're making it a condition of a long extension; if anything, I would've expected the condition to be that we'd promise NOT to take part in them), but I meant more from the British perspective. Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
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Exactlyalex. said:
We can’t be in the EU and not take part in EU elections. They don’t have the ability to give us the choice.Danny565 said:
I can totally understand why the EU wouldn't be enthusiastic about us taking part in the elections (I'm surprised they're making it a condition of a long extension; if anything, I would've expected the condition to be that we'd promise NOT to take part in them), but I meant more from the British perspective. Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
They are shoddily built overpriced junk bought by mugs.Richard_Tyndall said:
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
There are a lot of ways in which they are technically deficient but the sliding pillar front suspension is particularly egregious - a technology that was largely abandoned by the motor industry before WW2. It is very maintenance intensive and doesn't camber out under compression which gives the car absolutely savage handling characteristics.
It's a rolling metaphor for Brexit: a poorly executed pastiche of something that never actually existed.0 -
Labour fear it would give the Tiggers a platform for sustainability. On the other side they ear it would mean Farage back.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
It’s a movie sequelalex. said:
The common market strikes back
European Judgment Day
The wrath of Can’t Brexit
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Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Is it a Christmas movie like Die Hard 2?Nemtynakht said:
It’s a movie sequelalex. said:
The common market strikes back
European Judgment Day
The wrath of Can’t Brexit0 -
They can do it, but it will not be without issue.IanB2 said:
Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Danny565 said:
I can totally understand why the EU wouldn't be enthusiastic about us taking part in the elections (I'm surprised they're making it a condition of a long extension; if anything, I would've expected the condition to be that we'd promise NOT to take part in them), but I meant more from the British perspective. Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
I think it would be fun. The looniest of loons would get in.Danny565 said:
I can totally understand why the EU wouldn't be enthusiastic about us taking part in the elections (I'm surprised they're making it a condition of a long extension; if anything, I would've expected the condition to be that we'd promise NOT to take part in them), but I meant more from the British perspective. Of all the many reasons for and against delaying, taking part in an election seems pretty...second-order.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Common Market 2 : Brexit SofterFrancisUrquhart said:
Is it a Christmas movie like Die Hard 2?Nemtynakht said:
It’s a movie sequelalex. said:
The common market strikes back
European Judgment Day
The wrath of Can’t Brexit0 -
Yes, even our local borough council has made contingency plans and offer advice to intending candidates.IanB2 said:
Councils are used to running elections, and hardly had much notice for the last GE, after all. Compared with the myriad risks of a crash out Brexit in three weeks time, running the EU elections would be a piece of cake.kle4 said:
I know they have tried to plan ahead for various scenarios, including the awful prospect of EU elections, referendum and GE all in the same year, but preparations would have been fully underway a long time ago in the ordinary course of things, it will probably not be pretty.alex. said:I’m not sure that local councils will have done much planning for EU elections, and one can imagine they will therefore be totally chaotic, and quite possibly widely open to post election legal challenges.
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Why would any sensible person opt to be a candidate in EU elections anyway (except if they are brought about by revoke). It wouldn’t exactly offer a good career move with semi stable future prospects.0
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kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).
I think the Lib Demss will get a seat in most regions, as opposed to just falling short, as they did in 2014, but you'd still have about half our MEP's being anti-EU, on top of a much bigger awkward squad from France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Spain and Eastern Europe.kle4 said:
Would it be that bad? You'd presumably get a cohort of Brexit party MEPs, and many Tory ones, who would be huge pains in the arse, but every single other MEP would be massively in favour of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind. They’re already facing a chaotic European Parliament and having British MEPs would only make things worse.Danny565 said:What exactly is the big objection to taking part in European elections?
People keep using that as if it's a knockout argument against a long extension, but, of all the worries the general public have about delaying Brexit, I doubt that would be one of the main ones (after all, people who don't think we should be taking part in the elections can always choose to stay home).0 -
Thor has a hammer, NOT an axe!AlastairMeeks said:
I doubt the EU is enthused about having a cohort of deranged MEPs with Thor-sized axes to grind.0 -
There are worse places to stay a few months on a fat salary and a generous expenses allowance, with no work to so, than Brussels and Strasbourg. Both have excellent restaurants. In fact I might be tempted myself!alex. said:Why would any sensible person opt to be a candidate in EU elections anyway (except if they are brought about by revoke). It wouldn’t exactly offer a good career move with semi stable future prospects.
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We don't know yet either way, all we know is that he didn't recommend indictment.Richard_Nabavi said:Just catching up... so Mueller turns out to be a damp squib, is that right?
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