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Liam Fox has a lot to answer for. Bozza didn't do a great job as Foreign Sec and Davis was completely shit. Fox and Davis should never have got the jobs they did, though.Richard_Tyndall said:How can it be when they have not been anywhere near the levers of power to enact it?
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It wasn't the first opportunity available. That's just a self-pitying myth peddled by people who don't respect our parliamentary democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
As opposed to the 17.4 million people who took the first opportunity available to overturn your grisly little EU project?williamglenn said:Because as you can see, if you don't build that consensus, you end up with a million politically-engaged people marching through London and dedicating themselves to building a mass movement to overturn your grisly project.
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And you are comprehensively missing my point. Leavers have done nothing to create the consensus for their policy that is needed for it to endure. Quite the reverse: they have sought to draw a circle of trust that excludes their erstwhile opponents, and many have spent the last couple of years roundly abusing them. No prominent Leaver (and almost no obscure Leavers) has condemned this routemarch to the extremes.initforthemoney said:
See the last sentence of my first post above and ask yourself who is being more measured and reasonable here, the leave voter or the remain voter.AlastairMeeks said:
Talk to me about your bridge-building with your Remainer chums. Have you ruffled their hair as you call them saboteurs? Do you give them fancy biscuits as you label them enemies of the people?initforthemoney said:
Unlike you I don't feel the need to stoop to spreading shit and alienating friends.AlastairMeeks said:
Try harder then. You can’t be sure that routinely labelling them quislings and traitors will alienate them enough. Shitting on the carpet might be the necessary final step.initforthemoney said:
That's not quite true. I don't shit on the carpet at work when someone makes a comment which idly assumes we're all remainers. Nor do I punch them or threaten them. In fact I don't even dare tell them I voted leave.AlastairMeeks said:
Leavers have done everything they can to alienate Remain voters.
And yet still they don’t come round. How inflexible of them.
You can bleat about one Remain supporter all you like. (As it happens I didn’t march yesterday and I haven’t signed the petition, in both cases as a matter of principle.) But Leavers have lost the opportunity to forge a consensus and that is very much their problem, not Remainers’.0 -
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
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Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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Really? When 4 million votes gets you one seat in Parliament?williamglenn said:
It wasn't the first opportunity available. That's just a self-pitying myth peddled by people who don't respect our parliamentary democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
As opposed to the 17.4 million people who took the first opportunity available to overturn your grisly little EU project?williamglenn said:Because as you can see, if you don't build that consensus, you end up with a million politically-engaged people marching through London and dedicating themselves to building a mass movement to overturn your grisly project.
It was the first time the people had actually had a chance to vote purely on the issue of EU membership since 1975 and they quite rightly told you to stick it up your arse.0 -
Now we are getting childish. Mine is bigger than yoursFoxy said:
Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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In fact they voted to tear up the most Eurosceptic deal you're ever likely to get.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? When 4 million votes gets you one seat in Parliament?williamglenn said:
It wasn't the first opportunity available. That's just a self-pitying myth peddled by people who don't respect our parliamentary democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
As opposed to the 17.4 million people who took the first opportunity available to overturn your grisly little EU project?williamglenn said:Because as you can see, if you don't build that consensus, you end up with a million politically-engaged people marching through London and dedicating themselves to building a mass movement to overturn your grisly project.
It was the first time the people had actually had a chance to vote purely on the issue of EU membership since 1975 and they quite rightly told you to stick it up your arse.0 -
Tomorrow's Sun front page calls on TMay to resign.
All getting a bit:
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Nowhere near? While I might grant you that TMay was a crypto-remainer of sorts, and a control freak, I don’t think holding the offices of DexEU, the Foreign Office, Leader of the House etc etc constitutes “nowhere near” the levers of power.Richard_Tyndall said:
How can it be when they have not been anywhere near the levers of power to enact it?AlastairMeeks said:
Remarkable how it is never ever, even slightly, the fault of the people who actually advocated the sodding idea in the first place.algarkirk said:
Because a mostly remainer parliament hasn't run a very brilliant process; because remain is intrinsically a fairly single view (ie continuity) while leaving is intrinsically by its nature open to alternatives. Government and Parliament opted to be handed the job of handling a 'Leave' vote if it arose and has lacked the sort of outstanding leadership needed for this tough task.AlastairMeeks said:
It would tell us that there was a rage among Labour voters that was completely unprecedented. Why have Leavers failed to get Remainers to the point of sullen acquiescence?isam said:
I don’t wonder why, I accept those marchers and signees want Brexit stopped. But I don’t see what it matters. If every Labour voter decided to march to say how much they wish Labour had won the last election, what would that tell us?AlastairMeeks said:
True. But at that point there was a settled policy. Now a new policy must be formed. And the winners have proven quite clueless about what they want and determined to exclude the losers from any discussions to sort the mess out. Then they wonder why vast numbers seek to revoke the decision and march for a fresh referendum.isam said:AlastairMeeks said:
I haven’t seen anything to make me doubt the general picture. I have seen an awful lot of Leavers raging at the picture presented. They would do better to ask themselves why they have so comprehensively failed to forge a consensus for their policy. That, however, is a fence that they refuse to attempt to jump.Foxy said:
The distribution of the signatures doesn't show any signs of systemic manipulation. The constituencies at the top are the ones with the most technically and politically engaged.AlastairMeeks said:Even if the petition had been signed nationally at the rate signed by the least enthusiastic constituency, the petition would have been signed by well over a million people. That’s pretty extraordinary.
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All this assumes the EU won't grant a long extension on the basis of "we're still inconsequentially arguing with ourselves". I know their stated position is that they wouldn't, but the consequences of No Deal are very bad, especially for Ireland, and the downsides of letting the British stay and faff for another year or two are mainly minor irritations, as long as the Euro elections are sorted.Andy_Cooke said:
If we've had a long extension and are therefore having EU elections, it should be on the grounds that either we've committed to a new referendum, or we're negotiating an entire new Deal, or a new General Election has happened or is about to happen, all of which will overwhelm the Euro elections.Benpointer said:
Indeed. My thinking was not that they would stand but rather promote any parties who propose a 2nd referendum. Labour would come under intense pressure to include such a commitment in their manifesto.A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
Even if they are held I'm not sure there is a People's Vote party that is eligible to stand. The Brexit Party would stand and would be likely to be very successful. The split of the pro-remain vote will cost them dearly in the De Hondt system.ExpatMalaysia said:Benpointer said:
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Yes, well, I think it highly likely now that we will be participating in the EU elections.
Could be interesting if the #PeoplesVote organisation flex their muscles in any UK EU elections; no party won 5 million votes in the last election.
What are the odds of the UK participating in Euro elections ? Is there a Market up for that?
Re "the split of the pro-remain vote will cost them dearly in the De Hondt system" won't that affect the pro-leave (anti-2ndref) vote too?0 -
13% of the vote for 0.15% of the seats... if that hadn’t been so conveniently ignored by the establishment they might have been better prepared for BrexitRichard_Tyndall said:
Really? When 4 million votes gets you one seat in Parliament?williamglenn said:
It wasn't the first opportunity available. That's just a self-pitying myth peddled by people who don't respect our parliamentary democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
As opposed to the 17.4 million people who took the first opportunity available to overturn your grisly little EU project?williamglenn said:Because as you can see, if you don't build that consensus, you end up with a million politically-engaged people marching through London and dedicating themselves to building a mass movement to overturn your grisly project.
It was the first time the people had actually had a chance to vote purely on the issue of EU membership since 1975 and they quite rightly told you to stick it up your arse.0 -
OT The anti-Tree netting petition has got 128K votes so will at least get a mention in Parliament. I doubt it will make any difference at all but it has at least raised awareness of the issue.0
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π (roughly) - given the two sides are diametrically opposed.Foxy said:
Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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No, I actually felt a little sad for Farage's marchers. Abandoned by their metropolitan elite leaders as soon as the cameras have gone, to plod on to a destination (Brexit day) that moves into the distance like a Sahara mirage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now we are getting childish. Mine is bigger than yoursFoxy said:
Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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How does resigning seal her deal ?!?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
At least they don't have to rush nowFoxy said:
No, I actually felt a little sad for Farage's marchers. Abandoned by their metropolitan elite leaders as soon as the cameras have gone, to plod on to a destination (Brexit day) that moves into the distance like a Sahara mirage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now we are getting childish. Mine is bigger than yoursFoxy said:
Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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Because the withdrawal agreement isn't the long term deal.Benpointer said:
How does resigning seal her deal ?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
That would be for her successor to sort out.0 -
https://twitter.com/bbchelenalee/status/1109939785819410433?s=21
Boris taking the same line as the Sun.
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I genuinely believe that she put those Leavers in those positions specifically as a smoke screen while she got on and did what she wanted. There seems to be very few people in Parliament now who believe they were at any time given any authority. That stayed with May and Robbins. You don't even have to believe she was a Remainer as such. Just that she was incompetent with a tin ear which makes her uniquely unsuited for the job of PM even in good times.DougSeal said:
Nowhere near? While I might grant you that TMay was a crypto-remainer of sorts, and a control freak, I don’t think holding the offices of DexEU, the Foreign Office, Leader of the House etc etc constitutes “nowhere near” the levers of power.
It is all in keeping with her modus operandi in every position she has held which is authoritarian in the extreme whilst making sure she has scape goats when things go wrong. It is why I detested her log before she became PM.0 -
Looks like Rupert's had it with her...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
LOL. Your fanaticism is remarkable to see William.williamglenn said:
In fact they voted to tear up the most Eurosceptic deal you're ever likely to get.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? When 4 million votes gets you one seat in Parliament?williamglenn said:
It wasn't the first opportunity available. That's just a self-pitying myth peddled by people who don't respect our parliamentary democracy.Richard_Tyndall said:
As opposed to the 17.4 million people who took the first opportunity available to overturn your grisly little EU project?williamglenn said:Because as you can see, if you don't build that consensus, you end up with a million politically-engaged people marching through London and dedicating themselves to building a mass movement to overturn your grisly project.
It was the first time the people had actually had a chance to vote purely on the issue of EU membership since 1975 and they quite rightly told you to stick it up your arse.0 -
The EU cannot agree anything beyond the 12th April without our participation in the EU elections starting on the 12th April. This is the reason for the 12th April date and legal advice to the EU that as a member, if we do not take part in their elections their next Parliament will be voidedmundintokyo said:
All this assumes the EU won't grant a long extension on the basis of "we're still inconsequentially arguing with ourselves". I know their stated position is that they wouldn't, but the consequences of No Deal are very bad, especially for Ireland, and the downsides of letting the British stay and faff for another year or two are mainly minor irritations, as long as the Euro elections are sorted.Andy_Cooke said:
If we've had a long extension and are therefore having EU elections, it should be on the grounds that either we've committed to a new referendum, or we're negotiating an entire new Deal, or a new General Election has happened or is about to happen, all of which will overwhelm the Euro elections.Benpointer said:
Indeed. My thinking was not that they would stand but rather promote any parties who propose a 2nd referendum. Labour would come under intense pressure to include such a commitment in their manifesto.A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
Even if they are held I'm not sure there is a People's Vote party that is eligible to stand. The Brexit Party would stand and would be likely to be very successful. The split of the pro-remain vote will cost them dearly in the De Hondt system.ExpatMalaysia said:Benpointer said:
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Yes, well, I think it highly likely now that we will be participating in the EU elections.
Could be interesting if the #PeoplesVote organisation flex their muscles in any UK EU elections; no party won 5 million votes in the last election.
What are the odds of the UK participating in Euro elections ? Is there a Market up for that?
Re "the split of the pro-remain vote will cost them dearly in the De Hondt system" won't that affect the pro-leave (anti-2ndref) vote too?
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Didn't the Israelites wander aimlessly for forty years in the desert after Pharaoh let them go?AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/bbchelenalee/status/1109939785819410433?s=21
Boris taking the same line as the Sun.
But it may all be too late now.
Is that the message Boris wants for Brexit?0 -
If some of them had hair to ruffle, perhaps they wouldn’t get quite so hot under the collar.AlastairMeeks said:
Talk to me about your bridge-building with your Remainer chums. Have you ruffled their hair as you call them saboteurs? Do you give them fancy biscuits as you label them enemies of the people?initforthemoney said:
Unlike you I don't feel the need to stoop to spreading shit and alienating friends.AlastairMeeks said:
Try harder then. You can’t be sure that routinely labelling them quislings and traitors will alienate them enough. Shitting on the carpet might be the necessary final step.initforthemoney said:
That's not quite true. I don't shit on the carpet at work when someone makes a comment which idly assumes we're all remainers. Nor do I punch them or threaten them. In fact I don't even dare tell them I voted leave.AlastairMeeks said:
Leavers have done everything they can to alienate Remain voters.
And yet still they don’t come round. How inflexible of them.0 -
It's the long term deal the DUP are worried about...TheScreamingEagles said:
Because the withdrawal agreement isn't the long term deal.Benpointer said:
How does resigning seal her deal ?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
That would be for her successor to sort out.0 -
Bet Theresa's washing she hadn't pulled the plug on Leaveson 2 now!0
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As God said to Moses so the nation should say to Boris: keep taking the tablets.TheScreamingEagles said:
Didn't the Israelites wander aimlessly for forty years in the desert after Pharaoh let them go?AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/bbchelenalee/status/1109939785819410433?s=21
Boris taking the same line as the Sun.
But it may all be too late now.
Is that the message Boris wants for Brexit?0 -
Which is why they are so daft to oppose the WA.williamglenn said:
It's the long term deal the DUP are worried about...TheScreamingEagles said:
Because the withdrawal agreement isn't the long term deal.Benpointer said:
How does resigning seal her deal ?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
That would be for her successor to sort out.0 -
I feel nothing but contempt for Farage and his armyFoxy said:
No, I actually felt a little sad for Farage's marchers. Abandoned by their metropolitan elite leaders as soon as the cameras have gone, to plod on to a destination (Brexit day) that moves into the distance like a Sahara mirage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now we are getting childish. Mine is bigger than yoursFoxy said:
Knowing how PB likes a little areil crowd estimation, here is a little brain teaser:Benpointer said:
No wonder their petition is languishing a bit if they are all out on the march.Foxy said:
39 today, despite it being glorious spring weather for a Sunday walk through delightful Charnwood. To be fair the presence of Andrew Bridgen probably kept folk away.Benpointer said:
Are they aiming to get into London for Brexit-day this Friday? I assume the numbers will swell as they get closer to The Smoke.Foxy said:
Yeah, they are in Cropston tonight, setting off round the Leicester ring road through heavily Hindu Thurmaston, then off on ramble past Scraptoft to Oakham on country lanes. The White House at Scraptoft for lunch I expect, it is a 'spoons.Benpointer said:Is Farage's Long March still going btw? Genuine question, I have been away for the past fortnight.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1109861291722719235?s=19
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Good grief what is Bozo on !
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Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1109848989954920451
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I still don't see how May resigning gets the MV passed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because the withdrawal agreement isn't the long term deal.Benpointer said:
How does resigning seal her deal ?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
That would be for her successor to sort out.0 -
There is truth in what you say regarding her abilities but neither of us will know what her true motives are/were. For my part, you’ll appreciate that her hatred of the ECHR (the whole lying about the about the cat thing) and complaints about not being able to bring down immigration while there was FOM, both while she was HS, make me deeply sceptical of her remainer credentials. I think she just decided to back the wrong side in the referendum - if she thought Leave would win then it would have been different. But we’ll never really know.Richard_Tyndall said:
I genuinely believe that she put those Leavers in those positions specifically as a smoke screen while she got on and did what she wanted. There seems to be very few people in Parliament now who believe they were at any time given any authority. That stayed with May and Robbins. You don't even have to believe she was a Remainer as such. Just that she was incompetent with a tin ear which makes her uniquely unsuited for the job of PM even in good times.DougSeal said:
Nowhere near? While I might grant you that TMay was a crypto-remainer of sorts, and a control freak, I don’t think holding the offices of DexEU, the Foreign Office, Leader of the House etc etc constitutes “nowhere near” the levers of power.
It is all in keeping with her modus operandi in every position she has held which is authoritarian in the extreme whilst making sure she has scape goats when things go wrong. It is why I detested her log before she became PM.0 -
Can't argue with any of that. But then I am biased as my intense dislike of her is very deep rooted and long held.DougSeal said:
There is truth in what you say regarding her abilities but neither of us will know what her true motives are/were. For my part, you’ll appreciate that her hatred of the ECHR (the whole lying about the about the cat thing) and complaints about not being able to bring down immigration while there was FOM, both while she was HS, make me deeply sceptical of her remainer credentials. I think she just decided to back the wrong side in the referendum - if she thought Leave would win then it would have been different. But we’ll never really know.Richard_Tyndall said:
I genuinely believe that she put those Leavers in those positions specifically as a smoke screen while she got on and did what she wanted. There seems to be very few people in Parliament now who believe they were at any time given any authority. That stayed with May and Robbins. You don't even have to believe she was a Remainer as such. Just that she was incompetent with a tin ear which makes her uniquely unsuited for the job of PM even in good times.DougSeal said:
Nowhere near? While I might grant you that TMay was a crypto-remainer of sorts, and a control freak, I don’t think holding the offices of DexEU, the Foreign Office, Leader of the House etc etc constitutes “nowhere near” the levers of power.
It is all in keeping with her modus operandi in every position she has held which is authoritarian in the extreme whilst making sure she has scape goats when things go wrong. It is why I detested her log before she became PM.0 -
What's wrong with them?Dura_Ace said:
Morgan Roadster. He's exactly the type of prick who would have one.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is IDS driving there? Looks interesting.williamglenn said:Steve Baker's also at Chequers.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/11098489899549204510 -
They did exonerate her (I think that’s the in phrase tonight)DougSeal said:
The police disagree with you. If you feel threatened then you can act in many ways. In the circumstances a slap may have been remarkably self controlled. Women have been acquitted of murder in similar circumstances- quite rightly.Charles said:
She said she felt threatenedDougSeal said:
Men and women are equal but they are not exactly the same. As I point out below she felt threatened, which is sadly commonplace for women as opposed to men, and she claims (and the police believed her) that she defended herself. If a male MP had done this the reaction would indeed be different, because the lived experiences of men and women are different. In a perfect world that would not be the case but this is not that world.Charles said:
Nick, if a male MP had hit his partner would you say the same?NickPalmer said:
Sounds distressing but not somthing to concern the public.Paristonda said:Has this been shared already on here?
Potential betting implications given she is currently favourite for next leader. It's a very awkward subject and I doubt there is much appetite in the lib dems to have domestic violence as a topic of debate in the same way that a debate over religion vs gay rights overtook Farrons tenure
https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1109528327453331456?s=09
I tend to believe that most politicians will say whatever gets them out of trouble
In any event it demonstrates a lack of self control
He was t prepared to give evidence so there was no case to answer0