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O'Rourke might have engendered a degree of resentment amongst Democrats, but he can certainly fundraise...
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And so ends brexitScott_P said:0 -
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me0 -
About 18 months too late. He was the brains behind the two massive defeats on the deal he brought to Parliament. Name any other organisation than the Civil Service where you would still be in a job after such an unholy failure to perform.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
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Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:0 -
Long extension runs out just as Lab (under Jezza or someone else) can blame the mayhem on the Cons and sweep to victory.
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Amazing to think that as things stand we leave the EU NEXT WEEK deal or no deal!!!
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He tried to face the reality of Mays red lines . He’s not a miracle worker and the ERG want his head on a stake for not believing enough in unicorns .Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me0 -
That brexit metaphor gif of the guy trying to cross a plastic traffic wall and knocking the whole thing over in a great 100m-long cascade then trying to pick it up again has been showing up among unpolitical people in my Japanese twitter stream, laughing at brexit seems to have quite a lot of international traction at this point.TheScreamingEagles said:
Further proof that Brexit is a disaster and national humiliation.Scott_P said:
The French are laughing at us.0 -
Where can we pre-order his book?nico67 said:
He tried to face the reality of Mays red lines . He’s not a miracle worker and the ERG want his head on a stake for not believing enough in unicorns .Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
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But the Commons will at that point take over anyway. So end of Brexit.nico67 said:
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .Scott_P said:
Good riddance.0 -
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.0 -
If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.0 -
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She'd better do a shrug. She owes the nation a shrug.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And so ends brexitScott_P said:0 -
Guto Bebb is plainly thick.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It couldn't have been achieved without the efforts of the ERG.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And so ends brexitScott_P said:0 -
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!OldKingCole said:
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
So I agree with you about experts.0 -
Separate reports of shots at a mosque in Utrecht0
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The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better.MarqueeMark said:
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.0 -
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...0 -
TIG and Lib Dems will not support a voncMysticrose said:If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.0 -
“Roy, what the f*ck is going on in your country?” was how a co-worker greeted me the other morning...edmundintokyo said:
That brexit metaphor gif of the guy trying to cross a plastic traffic wall and knocking the whole thing over in a great 100m-long cascade then trying to pick it up again has been showing up among unpolitical people in my Japanese twitter stream, laughing at brexit seems to have quite a lot of international traction at this point.TheScreamingEagles said:
Further proof that Brexit is a disaster and national humiliation.Scott_P said:
The French are laughing at us.0 -
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.Nigelb said:
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better.MarqueeMark said:
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.0 -
I know. I said, it's the one thing which will unite the Tories.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TIG and Lib Dems will not support a voncMysticrose said:If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.0 -
Is that "expect" a "think she will" expect or a "think she should"? If it's "think she will", I think that would be out of character.nico67 said:
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .Scott_P said:0 -
All the very best for Thursday OKCOldKingCole said:
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!OldKingCole said:
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
So I agree with you about experts.0 -
The backstop issue came about because of her red lines .Philip_Thompson said:
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.Nigelb said:
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better.MarqueeMark said:
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
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Theresa May brought it to Parliament. Twice.MarqueeMark said:
About 18 months too late. He was the brains behind the two massive defeats on the deal he brought to Parliament. Name any other organisation than the Civil Service where you would still be in a job after such an unholy failure to perform.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
The rest of the post I agree with, but the buck stops with May not her subordinate. She should go.0 -
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/0 -
Has anyone informed Theresa May that a slight problem with holding two more meaningful votes is that there are only 270 hours to go to No Deal?0
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Good. Lets do that then. Full leadership contest going to the members to replace her.nico67 said:
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .Scott_P said:0 -
It looks as if the Dutch Police have got to someone.Big_G_NorthWales said:Separate reports of shots at a mosque in Utrecht
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Buy, buy, buy!TOPPING said:
Where can we pre-order his book?nico67 said:
He tried to face the reality of Mays red lines . He’s not a miracle worker and the ERG want his head on a stake for not believing enough in unicorns .Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
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I've been saying for many, many months that this goes down to the last 48 hours.
Tis the EU way.0 -
No it did not. None of her red lines required the backstop. There are a plethora of nations which trade with the EU honouring her red lines.nico67 said:
The backstop issue came about because of her red lines .Philip_Thompson said:
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.Nigelb said:
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better.MarqueeMark said:
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.Stark_Dawning said:
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Olly Robins to be sacked
Seems a bit late to me
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.0 -
If there is an extension it is possible, but not likely, TM could hold several MV'sAndyJS said:Has anyone informed Theresa May that a slight problem with holding two more meaningful votes is that there are only 270 hours to go to No Deal?
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I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.Scott_P said:0 -
Nope. There is no recall mechanism for an MP just because the electorate didn't like the result of the election or thought they had been lied to. And certainly none that would be enacted before the MP had taken their seat.Nigelb said:
Except the system for electing MPs does allow for recall votes in some circumstances...Richard_Tyndall said:
Ad hominem in response to Ad hominem. So you have no cause to moan.Mysticrose said:Wow, the resort to Ad Hominem. If only you knew ... but I'll keep my powder dry.
I envisage a more informed debate and vote in which various options, perhaps with AV - STV - is in place.
So not a repeat. At all.
Mind you, not that this would be a bad thing anyway. Your argument is like saying that because Clem Attlee won a landslide in 1945 we should still have a massive Labour majority. Part of the art of democracy is enabling litmus tests of public mood. Clearly much has altered in the last three years.
To be frank, your intransigence about offering the deal back to the public demonstrates to me that you've lost the argument and, with it, the public.
And no, again you show you idiocy. When we elect MPs they go into office. The result of the election is respected. We then have a system whereby after a period of time we re-elect them or not.
What you are saying is that if, for example, a few more people had voted for Labour MPs at the last election as a means of limiting May's majority (as lots of people seem to claim was the reason) and we had happened to get a Corbyn majority, we should have immediately had another election before he took office because we hadn't actually wanted Corbyn to win.
Of course that is not how the system does or should work. If the public are asked a question in a vote they have every right to expect that the result of that vote will be respected. Otherwise how are they to believe that democracy has any value at all?
If sufficient people feel that their leave vote was a result of being lied to, and they deeply regret it, then one might make a case that forcing them to 'respect' the result of that vote is equally toxic to their view of democracy.
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Best wishes for your op, OKC.OldKingCole said:
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!OldKingCole said:
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
So I agree with you about experts.0 -
King Cole, best of luck
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Good luck King Cole.0
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And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challengesanothernick said:
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.Scott_P said:0 -
Those will be 'fun' when they happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challengesanothernick said:
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.Scott_P said:0 -
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.Scott_P said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.0 -
TIG- probably not. Lib Dems I'm not so sure, especially if Labour have voted in favour of a 2nd ref by that pointBig_G_NorthWales said:
TIG and Lib Dems will not support a voncMysticrose said:If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.0 -
Well, 8 months to get rid of May, then time for the new PM to start over.....Stark_Dawning said:
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:0 -
By the way, that report is far from confirmed.Big_G_NorthWales said:Separate reports of shots at a mosque in Utrecht
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Sky just repeated unconfirmed reports, so yesY0kel said:
By the way, that report is far from confirmed.Big_G_NorthWales said:Separate reports of shots at a mosque in Utrecht
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Plus European elections of MEPs. That'll be fun - really.Stark_Dawning said:
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:0 -
Well at least she didn't do it in character as Frank Underwood.AndyJS said:0 -
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.Jonathan said:
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.Scott_P said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.0 -
The UK's participating in next month's EU elections would be quite a hoot. I wonder if the Leavers will urge some kind of boycott, so that the result can be easily discredited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challengesanothernick said:
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.Scott_P said:0 -
Good luck OKC.OldKingCole said:
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone.Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!OldKingCole said:
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
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Extremely doubtful May survives 8 months. If there's a long extension she'll struggle in reality to stay hours past signing the extension into law.MarqueeMark said:
Well, 8 months to get rid of May, then time for the new PM to start over.....Stark_Dawning said:
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:0 -
Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
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Yes, it means the PM would have to pull the revoke lever.Sean_F said:
Now, things become interesting if the EU says No. But, I don't think that's probable.TOPPING said:
Yes because TMay's (unilateral if need be) asking for an extension would be complying with Parliament's instruction not to have no deal.Sean_F said:
It does, if the government requests, and is granted an extension?TheScreamingEagles said:
Does it need a majority when No Deal on the 29th of March is the law?Sean_F said:
He still hasn't worked out that Parliament does not have a majority in favour of No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:MV3 deader than a dodo.
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Its not just phrasing, one is specifically without a deal the other is not.Foxy said:Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
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She'd probably try another MV. Which would be interesting because a lot of the ERG would swing back into the No column, and she'd be trying to pitch to Remainers/Soft Brexiters. But how to convince the Remainers that she wouldn't fall back to a 2nd ref or revoke as her next option?MaxPB said:
Yes, it means the PM would have to pull the revoke lever.Sean_F said:
Now, things become interesting if the EU says No. But, I don't think that's probable.TOPPING said:
Yes because TMay's (unilateral if need be) asking for an extension would be complying with Parliament's instruction not to have no deal.Sean_F said:
It does, if the government requests, and is granted an extension?TheScreamingEagles said:
Does it need a majority when No Deal on the 29th of March is the law?Sean_F said:
He still hasn't worked out that Parliament does not have a majority in favour of No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:MV3 deader than a dodo.
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Looks like that sums up brexit. Confusion reignsFoxy said:Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
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Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.Stark_Dawning said:
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/
St Andrew's Day: 30 November
St Andrew's Day was declared a bank holiday by the Scottish Parliament in 2006, although banks are not required to close if they do not wish to. If 30 November occurs on a weekend, the bank holiday is moved to the following Monday.
Employers are not required by law to give employees a holiday on the St Andrew's Day bank holiday.0 -
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Dutch counter terrorism co-ordinator says shots have been fired at several locations and the gunman is on the run0 -
More like con-fission reigns.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like that sums up brexit. Confusion reignsFoxy said:Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617974943399936?s=19
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Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.Y0kel said:
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.Jonathan said:
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.Scott_P said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.0 -
Fair enough.malcolmg said:
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.Stark_Dawning said:
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
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YouGov, Survation and Opinium have all shown a swing back towards Labour in the last few days (though still significant leads for the Tories in all but Survation!). Wonder if that's a reaction to latest news events or the TIG effect wearing off. Would be interesting to get a few more polls where TIG are explicitly mentioned as an option.Foxy said:Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
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If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:0 -
I haven't bribed anyone Malcmalcolmg said:
Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.Y0kel said:
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.Jonathan said:
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.Scott_P said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.0 -
Even if the MV passes I think May will face heavy pressure from the Cabinet and ERG to go immediately.Philip_Thompson said:
Extremely doubtful May survives 8 months. If there's a long extension she'll struggle in reality to stay hours past signing the extension into law.MarqueeMark said:
Well, 8 months to get rid of May, then time for the new PM to start over.....Stark_Dawning said:
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:
But I agree if there is a long extension we will be into an early Tory leadership contest and, depending on the outcome, a general election could follow.0 -
Jonathan said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
Honestly, what difference would it make? The hardcore ERG won't vote for anything short of a 100% break from the EU. Corbyn won't vote for anything the Tories propose, regardless of the damage caused.
That doesn't leave much of an overlap to get anything passed.
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What? And miss out on the salary and expenses?Stark_Dawning said:
The UK's participating in next month's EU elections would be quite a hoot. I wonder if the Leavers will urge some kind of boycott, so that the result can be easily discredited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challengesanothernick said:
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.Scott_P said:0 -
Actually, in all cases it's been reductions in Con numbers driving it, not increases in Lab. So probably not due to TIGgers switching back to Lab.Stereotomy said:
YouGov, Survation and Opinium have all shown a swing back towards Labour in the last few days (though still significant leads for the Tories in all but Survation!). Wonder if that's a reaction to latest news events or the TIG effect wearing off. Would be interesting to get a few more polls where TIG are explicitly mentioned as an option.Foxy said:Its all in the phrasing! clear as mud:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617974943399936?s=19
Could also just be random noise, but very similar swings in 3 polls.0 -
Possibly Chris Green too.Sean_F said:
That seems about right, save that I think Lucy Allan has switched.AlastairMeeks said:For those that are interested, here are 37 Conservative MPs who I currently expect to vote against any revival of the meaningful vote (the first 31 are ERGonauts, the next six are from the Remain wing of the party):
Adam Afriyie (Windsor)
Lucy Allan (Telford)
Steve Baker (Wycombe)
Crispin Blunt (Reigate)
Peter Bone (Wellingborough)
Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire)
Conor Burns (Bournemouth West)
Christopher Chope (Christchurch)
Richard Drax (South Dorset)
James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East)
Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford)
Marcus Fysh (Yeovil)
Chris Green (Bolton West)
Philip Hollobone (Kettering)
Adam Holloway (Gravesham)
Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire)
Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood)
Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip)
David Jones (Clwyd West)
Julian Lewis (New Forest East)
Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet)
Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall)
Priti Patel (Witham)
Owen Paterson (North Shropshire)
John Redwood (Wokingham)
Andrew Rosindell (Romford)
Henry Smith (Crawley)
Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen)
Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South)
Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy)
Justine Greening (Putney)
Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield)
Sam Gyimah (East Surrey)
Joseph Johnson (Orpington)
Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Notable omissions include Bill Cash, John Baron, Dominic Raab and Bernard Jenkin, all of whom have been quiet recently so far as I can tell.0 -
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:
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It is just a con , as per my PS, it is voluntary for banks and employers so just symbolic rubbish. I doubt anyone other than some public sector workers , if at all get it.Stark_Dawning said:
Fair enough.malcolmg said:
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.Stark_Dawning said:
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/0 -
Of course not G, I am just in a ranting mood today.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I haven't bribed anyone Malcmalcolmg said:
Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.Y0kel said:
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.Jonathan said:
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.Scott_P said:
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.0 -
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:
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Are you donating it to the PM?OldKingCole said:
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine,Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!OldKingCole said:
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.Sean_F said:
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!Philip_Thompson said:
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!rottenborough said:
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
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Great timing by Fiona Onasanya, the recall petition starts tomorrow.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-recall-petition-to-remove-peterborough-mp-fiona-onasanya-from-dates-times-and-when-we-could-have-a-by-election-1-88532870 -
I see the truth of the state propaganda unit is coming out , as if we did not know.
That balloon Robinson was among the worst of them.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17507633.bbc-journalists-were-out-to-prove-yes-vote-was-foolish-during-indyref/0 -
Many thanks, colleagues, for the good wishes. I hope only to be in for a few days.0
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We can hope. But the limpet genes are strong with this one......Philip_Thompson said:
Extremely doubtful May survives 8 months. If there's a long extension she'll struggle in reality to stay hours past signing the extension into law.MarqueeMark said:
Well, 8 months to get rid of May, then time for the new PM to start over.....Stark_Dawning said:
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.Scott_P said:0 -
Apologies for being rude to you.Stark_Dawning said:
Fair enough.malcolmg said:
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.Stark_Dawning said:
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/0 -
She did the same with her advisors after the GE, did she not. What happened to Harry Truman's 'Buck stops Here" desk notice?geoffw said:
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:0 -
Fits her profile perfectly, no principles and out only for herself. She would throw her granny under a bus just as easily.geoffw said:
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:0 -
It was the PM that oversaw the negotiation, Robins was merely the mouthpiece. If it is true that he is being sacked then that is outrageous and transparently unfair. A fact that will not go unnoticed by other civil servants on whom the government relies.MarqueeMark said:
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:
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I know he isn't liked amongst leavers, but he got an agreement to his brief. I doubt he'll have employability issues going forward. Being used as a negotiating pawn like this also sounds like a cut/shut unfair/constructive dismissal case. So I think he'll be fine.geoffw said:
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:0 -
Best wishes OKC.OldKingCole said:Many thanks, colleagues, for the good wishes. I hope only to be in for a few days.
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It’s “disastrously badly received” because the lies, loud and repeated from leavers have been accepted as truth by enough gullible fools. There’s no easy solution but people like Johnson, like The Telegraph, like Mogg continue to express those lies without remorse. I hope they suffer in this life and rot in hell (or in the case of the Telegaph, wither and die). It would be deserved.MarqueeMark said:
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.Cyclefree said:
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.Scott_P said:
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What happens to the real arithmetic if the Telegraph signatories all abstain?justin124 said:
Possibly Chris Green too.Sean_F said:
That seems about right, save that I think Lucy Allan has switched.AlastairMeeks said:For those that are interested, here are 37 Conservative MPs who I currently expect to vote against any revival of the meaningful vote (the first 31 are ERGonauts, the next six are from the Remain wing of the party):
Adam Afriyie (Windsor)
Lucy Allan (Telford)
Steve Baker (Wycombe)
Crispin Blunt (Reigate)
Peter Bone (Wellingborough)
Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire)
Conor Burns (Bournemouth West)
Christopher Chope (Christchurch)
Richard Drax (South Dorset)
James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East)
Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford)
Marcus Fysh (Yeovil)
Chris Green (Bolton West)
Philip Hollobone (Kettering)
Adam Holloway (Gravesham)
Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire)
Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood)
Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip)
David Jones (Clwyd West)
Julian Lewis (New Forest East)
Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet)
Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall)
Priti Patel (Witham)
Owen Paterson (North Shropshire)
John Redwood (Wokingham)
Andrew Rosindell (Romford)
Henry Smith (Crawley)
Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen)
Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South)
Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy)
Justine Greening (Putney)
Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield)
Sam Gyimah (East Surrey)
Joseph Johnson (Orpington)
Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Notable omissions include Bill Cash, John Baron, Dominic Raab and Bernard Jenkin, all of whom have been quiet recently so far as I can tell.0 -
Of course Olly Robbins might have requested to be removed from any future negotiations. In fact I'd be amazed if he hadn't.0
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Best of luck. Hope all goes well.OldKingCole said:Many thanks, colleagues, for the good wishes. I hope only to be in for a few days.
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He might have had some good private sector offers.Richard_Nabavi said:Of course Olly Robbins might have requested to be removed from any future negotiations. In fact I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
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Not at all - if we can't have robust exchanges of opinion on here then where?malcolmg said:
Apologies for being rude to you.Stark_Dawning said:
Fair enough.malcolmg said:
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.Stark_Dawning said:
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?malcolmg said:
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..CarlottaVance said:
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).Alanbrooke said:
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!Alanbrooke said:
excellent newsCarlottaVance said:
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/0 -
That isn't a very big heirarchy.Scott_P said:0 -
Hearing via a CCHQ insider that there will be a Euro Election announcement Friday after her trip to Brussels all things being equal and there is no movement.
Expect the Tory list to be reinstated as before which will upset many many people.0
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